January 5, 2016, - 6:34 pm

By Obama’s Logic, He Must Ban Muslim Gun, koran Use; Stop Invoking My Religion for Gun Control – Guns Saved Jews

By Debbie Schlussel

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In today’s ridiculous gun control announcement–in which a sitting U.S. President called the Constitution, “the paper”–Barack Obama cited Jews (and Muslims and moviegoers) as a reason for gun control. But by his logic, Obama should establish an immediate gun ban for Muslims (and announce a plan for koran control and strict koran registration. As I’ve written on this site many times, guns saved Jewish lives.

Earlier today, in his speech announcing stricter gun control measures via executive order, Barack Obama said that we owe it to “the Jews,” “the Muslims of Chapel Hill,” and “moviegoers” in Aurora, Colorado, to enact stricter gun control. But if that’s the case–if we owe it to victims of attacks via religion or consumer group, to enact laws taking away rights, then Barack Obama owes it to the victims of San Bernardino and Fort Hood to take away guns from Muslims.

If we’re gonna use irrelevant religious categories and consumer types as reasons for gun control, then we certainly need to use the very relevant category of religion when it comes to jihadist mass-murders perpetrated by Muslims using guns. Also time to start registering korans and restricting the number of them that each Muslim can use. Time to have doctors and neighbors and dumb White girlfriends report on these Muslims, especially Muslims with korans and guns. After all, Muslims with either a korans or guns are dangerous and sometimes take a lot of innocent American lives.

There is no evidence, by the way, that the extremist Muslims who died in Chapel Hill were the victims of anything but the rage of a neighbor with whom they had an ongoing dispute over a parking space. Barack Obama would have been more on point had he said “we owe it to parking space feuders” to take away everyone else’s guns and make it harder to get them in the first place. Not reasonable. But at least more consistent and on point with his warped logic. But, hey, I know it’s expecting a lot to expect a man who was at once a Constitutional law professor, community organizer, draft-dodger, and member of Rev. Wright’s racist church for 22 years to have logic anywhere on the resume or the brain.

As for the Jews at the Jewish Community Center in Kansas City, yes they were shot by a White supremacist who hated Jews and yelled, “Heil Hitler!” But in the 70 years since World War II and the Holocaust, hundreds more Jews have been killed in the name of Islam and the koran than by White superemacists and neo-Nazis. Again, we owe it to the Jews around the world, by Obama’s logic, to have Islam-control, Muslim-control, and koran-control. And to the Christians in America and around the world, tens of thousands of whom have also been murdered in the name of Islam and the koran. But you won’t ever hear Obama call for that (or any Republican either–even Donald Trump doesn’t want to do that, despite his smoke-and-mirrors statements).

And, then, there is what saves Jewish lives–and what has saved Jewish lives, including during the Holocaust: guns. I’m beyond sick and tired of liberals invoking my religion for gun control. Judaism–for those who actually practice it instead of substituting worship-of-liberalism for it–is a religion of self-defense. It’s a religion that believes that G-d helps those who help–and defend–themselves. It’s a religion that says that if a “rodef” (“chaser” or threat) comes to harm you, kill him/her/it first. Judaism has a long history with regular use of weapons. Just ask the Maccabees. They didn’t believe in sword control. And those who promoted and enacted weapon and gun control often used–and still use–it against Jews, to keep them vulnerable.

The Muslim world has a long history of prohibiting Jews in its midst from owning and using weapons. The Jews o Yemen were famous for being in the business crafting ornate swords and other similarly bladed weapons. But they could only craft them for Muslims. The Jews, themselves, were not allowed to own them. This made it easier for Muslims to steal from, rape, torture, and kill Jews.

The same goes for Hitler. As I’ve noted many, many times on this site, the Nazis forbade Jews from owning guns. And the Jews who stole them and used them saved thousands of Jewish lives. This wasn’t limited to just the famed Bielski Brothers of “Defiance” movie fame. But also Robert Gamzon who led the Jewish Scout Movement partisans in France, the Jewish partisans of the Maquis Armed Resistance, including Bernard Musmond, and many, many other Jewish partisans who stole guns from Nazis or otherwise obtained them from allies in local villages, and so on. They killed Nazis, destroyed Nazi munitions, and saved a lot of people. In the face of tyranny, there is no resistance without guns.

My friend, Jay Bielski, a longtime reader of this site, is the first born of Zus Bielski, one of the Bielski Brothers portrayed in “Defiance.” He served in the U.S. Marines Corp during Vietnam and in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. His two sons served in the U.S. Armed Forces and in the IDF Paratroopers. As Jay is rightly proud to note, the Bielski partisans and the guns they obtained, saved so many Jews that there are now “20,000 to 35,000 offspring walking around this earth.”

That Was Then . . .

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This Is Now . . .

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My Late Dad‘s Favorite Photo: Allan Tannenbaum Photo of Religious Jewish Settler with M-16, Elon Moreh, Israel, 1988 – Copyright, Allan Tannenbaum.

As I’ve also noted on this site many times, my late Holocaust survivor grandfather, Isaac Engel, always carried around his three illegal, unregistered guns, and he concealed them to and from his business. He told me that this was his way of having what the Nazis told him he couldn’t have. His entire family was wiped out in the Holocaust because Jews were not allowed to have guns. Whenever the names of liberal, pro-gun-control politicians, like then-U.S. Senator Carl Levin came up, my grandfather used to always say, “he is a linka [a leftist],” and he would point out that these leftists weren’t that far off from the politics of the Nazis who tried to take his life.

The late Zionist leader Ze’ev Jabotinsky, in the early 1930s, could see what was happening in Europe, with the Nazis gaining power and popularity. And his advice was, “Yiddin learnin shissin [Jews, learn to shoot!].” Sadly, too many Jews today, don’t get the message. They are the JINOs (Jews In Name Only) who support Barack Obama and who are on the side of the gun-grabbers. They love to hijack the Holocaust but don’t seem to notice that with guns, many Jews were saved, and had Jews had guns, many more would have been saved.

I see it as one of my responsibilities as an American and as a Jew who values life, to be a gun-owner.

So, Barack Hussein Obama, hands off my gun, and when it comes to my religion, STFU. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Guns save lives. And they saved and continue to save Jewish lives. If we owe anything to the Jews of Kansas City, it’s to let them easily arm up. Closing “loopholes” only affects the innocent who abide by the law, not those who shoot up schools and community centers.

Gun control is for suckers and dummies . . . and those with armed Secret Service bodyguards and fancy, gated Hawaiian vacation homes.

You Know Who Doesn’t Believe in Gun Control? . . .

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The Tears of a Clown . . .

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45 Responses

The late Aaron Zelman had been an important force for countering the gun-control movement through education. Here’s a 5-part video series, called “No Guns for Jews.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H-qOUmCrIU&list=PL62BDB02F46EFE07B

Ralph Adamo on January 5, 2016 at 7:32 pm

If everyone who sells a gun is beholden to all the checks and forms and taxes and fees that BATFE will crap out by Obama’s fiat, then why is it so difficult to treat other laws in the same fashion? Now that it’s our civic duty to make sure that no illegal guns are sold, what about illegal aliens? What will happen when Sanctuary Gun Cities start popping up?

nadie on January 5, 2016 at 7:34 pm

Yup.

Debbie shouldn’t register her gun.

If Loretta Lynch wants to confiscate them, let her see how far she’ll get.

What freedoms Americans are allowed to have are not for the government to decide; they’re inalienable rights.

NormanF on January 5, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    . . . . “see how far she’ll get”?
    Some sort of open conflict will rather simply, play into the deception, . . . all in the world need b done is, rely on the 2nd Am, . . . disgracefully 4 lack of knowledge of organic law, so very many “gun-nuts” r side-stepping their ONLY actual protection in law and purchasing a thing of much lesser quality–a state regulated gun permit, . . .

    Phillip Galey on January 7, 2016 at 7:39 am

Do Liberals invoke Judaism in their arguments for gun control? Whatever happened to the sacred separation of Mr Church (or Synagogue) and St State?

Also, Obama should really crack down on Muslim gun ownership. Guns are bida – islamic for ‘innovation’: there were no guns when Mohammed was around, so Muslims shouldn’t touch guns either. Nor for that matter nukes. Just stick to swords.

But Obama would love to be the caliph of islam, regardless of whether or not he’s a Muslim, once his term ends. Although w/ Iran and Saudi Arabia (yet another alien vs predator) at each other’s throats, I wonder how that would end

Infidel on January 5, 2016 at 8:24 pm

I am a left wring bleeding heart who believes in gun control i don’t waNT to take all guns away but i believe if u buy a gun u must have no criminal record and suffer from, no mental illness and keep you guns at home
guns dont make people safer
let me tell u a story
in Israel 20 years ago there was a 27 year old man from a good family no record religious studying to be a doctor but he had a mental illness and access to guns. one day hhis best friend was killed in a terrorest attack, he lost his mind and went on a killing spree killing 27 people because he had a mental illenss
i not saying ban all guns people need guns espeically if u a jewish settler in isreal yes you should have 1 or 2 guns but the government should control it the same way it controls cars u cant drive without obeying the rules same with guns guns rules may not stop every mass shooting but it might bring the numbers down

BEC on January 5, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    Isn’t “BEC” the troll “bec”?

    skzion on January 6, 2016 at 10:50 am

    BEC, if you’re referring to the Baruch Goldstein story, which in fact was a work of fiction, you’ve made a good point. Guns in the hands of leftists are very dangerous because those murders were actually committed by leftists and not Baruch Goldstein who by the way was a doctor and not studying to be one.

    Jerry G on January 6, 2016 at 11:10 am

    Re: the analogy between driving a vehicle and owning firearms:

    Which amendment in the Bill of Rights guarantees the right to drive carriages?

    Doug on January 6, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      . . . . the 10th, the Dec. of Independence, the preamble 2 the Constitution, . . .

      Phillip Galey on January 7, 2016 at 7:52 am

BEC, you really didn’t read Debbie’s article, did you? What will bring down the numbers when a tyrannical regime starts shooting its own citizens for being “enemies of the state?” You don’t get the point, do you?

What happened when the Turks took the guns from the Armenians? What happened when Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot took the guns from law abiding citizens? This is not gun control, this is the first step toward gun confiscation.

You DO remember the DHS’ purchase of 1.7 BILLION hollow point rounds, don’t you? Who is that to use on? DHS doesn’t fight wars, the military does. Who is the DHS going to use those 1.7 billion hollow point rounds, and 2,700 light armored tanks on?

Beware of the tyranny in our midst, with the Tyrant-In-Chief being in our own White House. That’s right, it’s OUR White House.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on January 5, 2016 at 9:15 pm

We do live in an increasingly authoritarian society. The authorities in such societies try to neutralize the general population in various ways, including disarmament.

Worry on January 5, 2016 at 11:46 pm

so if u white chirstian it ok if u have a gun you r a tru6e Amercian
but if u black man have aa GUn even it a toy gun u are a thug you must die

BEC on January 6, 2016 at 12:25 am

    You need to repeat grade school BEC.

    Worry on January 6, 2016 at 12:36 am

    The bigots with whom you make common cause — the leftnik haters of blacks, Jews, Asians and native Americans — also kept blacks disarmed for centuries.

    YOU are the one who wants to continue to make blacks vulnerable to the despot of government. Got that? YOU are the oppressor.

    The only difference is that you want to add whites to the oppressed classes.

    Doug on January 6, 2016 at 2:15 pm

in case u wondering why i made this a racist issue is because a 12 yeAr old boy wwas shot and killed by police playinhgg in the park
to be fair the gun looked real the police had no idea it was a toy
which leads to me asking why r there toyguns look like reaL guns
i dont blame the kid i dont blaMe cops i blame the toy company if they going to make a toygun make it look like a toygun
debbie has never written about this case i wonder what her thoughts are

BEC on January 6, 2016 at 12:41 am

    No, we were never really interested, but that has never stopped you before.

    Worry on January 6, 2016 at 1:25 am

    Good job BEC. You got a two-fer. “It’s for the children” or “That’s racist”
    At least that’s what I thought you said. You’re a little difficult to understand.

    nadie on January 6, 2016 at 7:33 am

    A little bird whispered what he claimed are Debbie’s thoughts about your nattering.

    The little bird insisted that Debbie thinks you’re a goober.

    Doug on January 6, 2016 at 2:18 pm

No, He did not take his case to the American People. He simply imposed his policy on them: http://www.voanews.com/media/video/barack-obama-takes-gun-control-case-to-american-people/3133036.html

Worry on January 6, 2016 at 1:45 am

FOR THE 100TH TIME I AM NOT ANTI GUNS
I JUST BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE LAWS ABOUT BUYING GUNS
FOR EXAMPLE IF U HAVE A HISTORY OF MENTAL ILLNESS OR U HAVE A CRIMAnel history
or u a part of a islamic terrorism group u shouldnt have guns

we can agree on that cant we

BEC on January 6, 2016 at 4:24 am

    In that case, surrender your firearm(s) immediately.

    Doug on January 6, 2016 at 2:21 pm

Those laws ALREADY exist. This proposed legislative ‘closure’ is just a ploy to begin the process of what will eventually amount to a mass confiscation of guns from LAW ABIDING citizens.

The mentally ill people who have perpetrated mass shootings in the United States were those who the bureaucratic system failed to note and follow up on as risks to their communities in some cases. More gun laws would not have prevented those shootings. SOCIAL WORKERS doing their jobs properly would have.

BEC, one thing you must understand, the American left LOVES A HIGH CRIME RATE. Read that again, because it’s all too true. THE AMERICAN LEFT LOVES A HIGH CRIME RATE. That’s how they’ve managed to create situations in certain major urban areas where Democrats have a stranglehold on the political situation.

Democrats create problems, and then convince voters that the problems were created by others, and that the Democrat Party leadership is needed in order to solve these problems. In the past half century, Republicans have been only too happy to go along with the idea of a massive centralized government power structure.

The American people have become too poorly informed and react like Pavlovian dogs to government handouts. We are being played BEC. More laws won’t solve the problem of mass shootings. It’s a straw man argument.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on January 6, 2016 at 7:00 am

As news coverage of the San Bernadino shootings progressed into the evening, many “news channels” immediately brought up the subject of “gun control”. In spite of a condescending press conference by CAIR (indicating clearly that this was an act of mass murder by Muslims) nobody had the courage to discuss “Muslim control”.

The notion that Muslims deserve some measure of additional security scrutiny still evades public discussion. This in spite of the recent (and pro-Muslim) Zogby Poll showing that Muslims enjoy little sympathy among the American Public.

One glance at the 57-nation OIC (Organization of Islamic Countries) show Muslim nations either ruled by tyranny or anarchy. Those ruled by tyranny have governments whose systems are tyrannical by ANY American standard; even those of left-wing progressives who support the pro-Muslim propaganda barrage of the news media and government “leaders”.

When one of America’s most pro-Muslim polling companies tells us that Muslims are distinctly unpopular in the U.S. it’s time for our leaders to represent this sentiment in a realistic way that preserves our freedom. Presidential decrees (of any kind) do just the opposite.

Today, thousands of Americans will react to President O’Bama’s decree by purchasing firearms. The President isn’t giving us “gun control”. He’s giving us foolishness and the results are routinely the exact opposite of his stated intent.

Whether you’re for or against “gun-control” one thing seems certain to me: our President is a dummy.

Sincerely,

There is NO Santa Claus (aka TINSC)

There is NO Santa Claus on January 6, 2016 at 8:47 am

the lying, disingenuous Devil in the oval office wipes away crocodile tears as he tries to shift attention away from the heat brought on by his islamic brothers’ brutal activities dominating the headlines… he quietly and deftly cons the dolts too timid to face this reality…..

harv on January 6, 2016 at 9:01 am

Once again, We the People are preached to as though we are
IDIOTS, FOOLS, and OUT-OF-SELF-CONTROL CHILD MARAUDERS!!!

Below is the 2nd from Gene Moutoux’s http://www.german-latin-english.com education site – Grammar and Sentence Diagram.

Amendment 2: A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The following LINK takes you to the actual Diagram of the 2nd.
Please take special note of its explanation.

http://www.german-latin-english.com/diagramamend2.htm

Ralph, Aaron Zelman was a very special man / mensch. Years ago, I invited him to be the Keynote Speaker at a Libertarian Convention Dinner in Michigan. He accepted and was impressive. His Organization, JPFO.ORG, has many position / historical books well-worth acquiring. He believed in private ownership and, even though a Medic in ‘Nam, was skeptical of government restrictions to the Right.

Alfredo, spot-on! BEC really needs to read Gary Kleck’s and John Lott’s research into gun ownership, CCW, etc. The false “factoids” they debunk should make any anti-owner think long and hard about the BS OUT THERE foisted upon us. (TINSC, GOOD!)

Finally, the Definition of INFRINGE:
Check Oxford Dictionary as well as various Legal Dictionaries.

IMHO…If you watched yesterday’s Presser, well, Infringement is around the corner. BTW…note what your Drs may have to report.

Dennis on January 6, 2016 at 11:29 am

This may be the best thing you have ever written.

Yasher Koach!

I_AM_ME on January 6, 2016 at 12:48 pm

BEC… What about the attitude that all cops are evil and that it’s ok to point guns at them? THAT actually IS a racist issue, but it’s dismissed because it travels in the other direction.

YCHtT on January 6, 2016 at 1:27 pm

Malcolm X: “This is the thing you need to spread the word about among our people wherever you go. Never let them be brainwashed into thinking that whenever they take steps to see that they’re in a position to defend themselves that they;re being unlawful. The only time you’re being unlawful is when you break the law. It’s LAWFUL to have something to DEFEND yourself.”

Doug on January 6, 2016 at 2:29 pm

BEC is dopey AND inarticulate. With two U get Libtard. So boring after all these years.

At this point in the game, look around. The trouble isn’t the crocodile tears of Obama-Putin (Sociopaths don’t care about anything or anyone but themselves…he and the Wookie wife are quite a team…they must be complete disasters as their brats get more and more sour every day…I’d feel bad for them but I don’t. One can’t expect well adjusted girls with two mental defectives like Obama and Wookie….) but ANYONE today that still supports him and likes his unconstitutional power grab is beyond help. They have had all these years to see this wolf in sheep’s clothing but they are so dumb and mentally ill they have NEVER seen it. Bogans like THAT are why we are where we are.

The 2nd part of that is the Libtard GOP Congress and Senate. If U can’t see how toothless and Libtarded they are in 2016, you deserve to be a Liberal. They have the power. They have done NOTHING to stop the unconstitutional, Marxist usurper in Chief. THAT is where the problem is. If Obama-Putin can shuck & jive and use the pathetic “we can’t wait any longer” BS excuse why haven’t Congress used the same horsesh** platitude to impeach his arse and convict him and throw him out of office? You can thank all the sheep-like Libtards for Obama-Putin’s reign of terror…he’s been chipping away at the best of USA since January 2009. You can thank the Libtard GOP, too. Conservative have NO representation!!

THAT is where the problem lies. The Proles, who you know are sickos because they even still today prop up a long in the tooth, fat in the ankles veteran criminal like Cankles Clinton for President of the USA so she can continue to let this virus contaminate this once great country. At least the “Republican” electorate have virtually put the kibosh on Jebito Bush…can’t say the same about the Libtards…they don’t care what their nominees do! And lastly, all these Libtards hate Donald Trump like poison, which kinda makes me laugh because he is more in line with THEIR ideology than mine as a staunch CONSERVATIVE. To see these fart-knockers go apoplectic over Trump is almost comical. Oh, and for free, these same nutter Libtards loooooooove Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooslims! We are is deep, deep doo doo. Thank your nearest retard!

Skunky on January 6, 2016 at 6:37 pm

If all of the attacks that have been done by Muslims was instead done by some other group, such as blond Norwegian Mormons or pygmy eskimos, that group would be banned from entering America and those that are already here would be under intense scrutiny.

So why do Muslims get a pass when nobody else would?

Steve G on January 6, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    You really need to ask?!

    It’s the religion of peace.

    Doug on January 7, 2016 at 5:44 am

“Obama-Putin”

Any comparison between Putin and Obama is skewed and unfair. On the one hand you have a cruel, overbearing, one-sided tyrant desperately trying to live up to the glory that once was his nation–on the other hand you have Putin.

YCHtT on January 6, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    I have told you before “cluster of stupid-ass letters” to get off my back about my Obama-Putin. I couldn’t give a rat’s fat one that you don’t like it. It wasn’t constructed for you to like. And I STILL don’t feel like ‘splainin’ it to you so buzz off…ya dig?

    Skunky on January 7, 2016 at 8:07 pm

      Skunky…

      You didn’t have a sense of humor the last time and you sure haven’t developed one since. But if a mere JOKE’s got you all in a snit I’d hate to see your reaction to something serious. I’ll try to remember about your over-sensitivity in the future. Other than that you may want to look up the definition of sarcasm. Sorry to have disturbed you.

      YCHtT on January 7, 2016 at 9:07 pm

Excellent commentary on the seriously demented Obama. This est crap does concern me: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7176/criminalizing-free-speech

Nancy B on January 6, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    obama is NOT demented…he is shrewd, deceptive and evil and is actively destroying this country…..as hillary hussein , the shrew, will continue to do….

    harv on January 7, 2016 at 2:58 pm

If guns are outlawed only outlaws would have guns!

PaulaMalka on January 6, 2016 at 11:31 pm

In this article, in 2 ways, DS perpetuates error:
In positing suggestions 4 what Ahabomba ought 2 do, her underlying premise blinks the fact that, the Jezebel Jarrett – Ahabomba team is malevolent, throughout.
Also, her: “Guns Saved Jews” draws from the same bit of illogic which puts forth that, “Guns kill People”

Phillip Galey on January 7, 2016 at 8:04 am

I see the Soros bots are out in force again! Good – again Debbie’s poignant comments are drawing blood.

Obama and his handlers know exactly what they are doing to disarm and neuter a people whose brains have been softened through public “education” and stupefying media for decades.

Guardian Angel on January 8, 2016 at 12:24 am

And the idiocy/complicity continues…….
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philadelphia-shooting-suspect-ambush-police-officer-islam/

Ralph Adamo on January 8, 2016 at 1:38 pm

    And why is the President failing to respond to the above gun-related crime? That is easy to explain. The victim is a police officer. The victim is white and the criminal is African-American. The criminal is also a Muslim who admits that he committed the crime in the name of Islam. And the criminal didn’t buy the gun, but rather, stole it. So because of the affront to pc progressive crowd, there’s nothing to see here.

    Ralph Adamo on January 8, 2016 at 4:27 pm

      RA, in the penultimate paragraph or your linked CBS story is this gem from District Attorney Seth Williams: “I’m very thankful the officer is alive. This shows us the need for smarter laws when it relates to guns on the street. My office is going to do all that we can to ensure the defendant is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.”
      From what I read someplace else this guy already had prior convictions for firearms-related offenses. So what is this DA going to do for the next time he uses a firearm? More importantly, I’d like to see the reults of the previous conviction. How much time was served? What did Seth William’s office do to help prevent Officer Hartnett from being shot a couple days ago? How does he propose to prevent the theft of a gun for this guy’s next crime once they cut him loose in a few years?
      It’s nothing but vacuous promises from people who have become part of the problem, instead of its solution. When habitual criminals continue to do what they are best at and “public defenders” continue to look for an easy solution to a complex problem, we’ll get nothing more than the same result. And, as you say in your post above, the president is leading us down a path even further from justice, but, with the help of fools like Seth Williams.

      nadie on January 9, 2016 at 10:54 am

I’m still waiting with bated breathe for someone from the Phoenix US Attorney’s office to be charged with 22USC2778 for letting guns “walk” to Mexico, which were subsequenly used to kill former Marine, and now dead Border Patrol Agent, Brian Terry.
Instead, we’ll get comprehensive gun control, or some other catchy BS and PC-laden malarcky from our “leaders”. Disgraceful sinverguenzas, all

nadie on January 9, 2016 at 11:08 am

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