Too bad (Stupid) People wasn’t around when the Charles Manson gang gals were helping him murder people, too.
I can imagine the stories, “Get the Squeaky Fromme makeover!”, “Chuck’s Dating Tips”….of course, followed my the Oprah appearance where they “share” about their childhoods.

Jeff_W on September 11, 2006 at 1:42 pm

Oh, and another thing, just like Natalee Holloway, do you think Angela Collins and the other chick being pretty and blonde had anything to do with them being featured in (Clueless) People?

Jeff_W on September 11, 2006 at 1:44 pm

They speak of how nice islam is to women, well, they are still in free countries. Wait until they go to the hellholes of the middle east. They’ll be running from islam as fast as their burka allows. Some people try drugs. Some try islam. Stay in them both long enough and they’ll both kill you.

freewoman on September 11, 2006 at 4:24 pm

As I said before; Islam preys upon the cult-mindset – people who need strong guidance about everything in their life. They need someone or something to tell them what to eat; what to wear; how to conduct themselves at home and in public; what to say, etc. They desire this abnormal sense of control otherwise their lives descend into chaos.
I addition; There are also many women in America that are drawn to violent “types”. There are women who need physical confrontation, who need to be abused, who need to be beaten. Try as they might to disassociate themselves from these violent men, they just can’t break away.
Anyway, the women in this story have these traits and others that compel them to be drawn to this dangerous, abusive cult that strips them of every basic human right as well as human dignity, decency, and respect.

Thee_Bruno on September 11, 2006 at 6:01 pm

The Muslim Borg is coming for us all. We need a restraining order against the Muslim Nation. Women joining Islam is like Black people joining the KKK. You have to question the mental health of someone who wants to be oppressed. It reminds me of women who are attracted to controlling and abusive men.

FreethinkerNY on September 11, 2006 at 6:31 pm

Muslim Feminist? The ultimate oxymoron. In a way clueless liberals are being led back to all that they rejected growing up. Except their hatred of the West, which is presumably the one feature Islam encourages and demands they retain even as they shed everything else about their previous life. A conversion to Islam is akin to a rattlesnake changing its skin. It doesn’t lead people to become more kind, decent and tolerant of humanity. Quite the opposite. Which is why the conversion of dumb, liberal women to the Religion Of Peace TM isn’t quite the loss it appears to be at first glance. They were lost to the world long ago.

NormanF on September 11, 2006 at 8:51 pm

I’m probably wrong but the name Aeschelman sounds Jewish which would be a double shame; almost akin to a Jew becoming a neo-Nazi.

hairymon on September 12, 2006 at 8:37 am

Infidels converting to Islam is publicized. Converts lament the stares that others give. Do these imbeciles know what is the fate of Muslims who convert to other religions? They are threatened and killed.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html
Who can drive sense into them?
Jack

jack on September 12, 2006 at 12:45 pm

“Sorry Charlie”,painful to admit-I define myself as a non-Orthodox religious Jew,whose regular synagogue of attendance is Conservative-I think Judaism needs to pick up on this rather than basically discourage potential converts and which has largely changed a religion based on God,Torah,Israel(and hopefully common sense)into something increasingly divided into “religious Jews”which can only mean Orthodox-and the official Jewish replacement religion of liberalism.

jaywilton on September 13, 2006 at 4:25 pm

I have to wonder if anyone here even bothered to read the Quaran or perhaps has any direct personal contact with any North American Muslims? Muslims are not blood thirsty terrorists. Why is it that you are judging these women to be “drawn to this dangerous, abusive cult”? They are not brain washed and no one forced them into the religion. And just for the record, Islam is not a cult, it is a religion that 1.7 billion people today believe in. As for Angela Collins, she got a restraining order against a man, not the religion! As for Nicole Aeschleman, if Islam stopped her lifestyle of constant partying and failed relationships then how is this religion all bad? Finally, Timna Valore-Schulze, how is her mother giving her friend?s numbers to the FBI any evidence of Islam being a religion of violence? It didn’t say that her mother based her decision on any evidence. Moreover, this article gives no indication that these women suffered from a violent past that would draw them to Islam. If all children who went through their parents having a divorce also suffered from a violent past then more than 50% of American children would have had a violent past. Try to look past your discrimination. You shouldn’t let the acts of extremists taint your views about a group of people. There are extremists in every religion, not just Islam. Take a look at some of the statistics, I guarantee you that most mass murders and serial killers have no link to Islam.
OSAMA BIN LADEN IS A MASS MURDERER. SO IS MOHAMMED ATTA. SHEIKH MOHAMMED HUSSEIN FADLALLAH, SHEIKH HASSAN NASRALLAH, SADDAM HUSSEIN, ETC., ETC., ETC., AD NAUSEAM. WHAT RELIGION ARE THEY MEMBERS OF?
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

chocolatemilk on September 16, 2006 at 8:20 pm

Baruch Goldstein. Timothy McVeigh. Charles Whitman. Theodore Kacynski. Ripudaman Singh Malik/Ajaib Singh Bagri. Eric Robert Rudolph. Aileen Wuornos. Albert Fish. Albert DeSalvo. Dennis Rader. Charles Manson. Clifford Robert Olson. Charles Ng, Cary Stayner. David Berkowitz. John Wayne Gacy. Paul Bernardo. Andrew Kehoe. Jim Jones. Martin Bryant. Ted Bundy. Adolf Hitler. Benito Mussolini. Joseph Stalin. Ariel Sharon. George W. Bush. The world is filled with killers (and not all of them are muslims). However, no one points their fingers on religion being the cause unless it is Islam. Half of the world thinks Bush is worse than the 6 names you mentioned above but no one would dare say his religion is to blame. Religion is never to blame. No religion encourages violence and neither does Islam. These women should not be judged to be attracted to violence because they chose Islam as their new faith. Perhaps many of you have already seen this, but if you haven’t…try watching her (Angela Collins) point of view. She hardly seems insane or violent to me.
http://www.islamicity.com/islamitv/default.asp?ref=5908

chocolatemilk on September 17, 2006 at 4:27 pm

There’s a big difference in the names you suggested chocolatemilk and the names Debbie posted. Muslims murder in the name of allah. The guys you posted just kill people. BIG difference. And islam is a cult. Try getting out and see how long you last. A religion doesn’t kill you for leaving. A religion wants you to live in peace and brotherly love, islam only wants muslims to llve. If islam is so peaceful, why are more muslims not coming forth to speak against the suicide bombers, the imams and clerics calling for the death of the Pope or anyone who speaks the truth about islam? Think about it. Islam is the only “religion” that says it will kill you for what they believe.

freewoman on September 18, 2006 at 11:43 am

Murder in the Name of Allah!
that is funny. what do you call the men who used to kill black people (men wearing pilow cases over their heads and bed sheets covering their bodies, remember them). They are still here and you all know in whos name they were killing people and still doing so with a small difference that they do not need to hide there faces any more.
If you hate muslims and islam becuase it could change the lifestyle that you are living (drinking and adultry).
You all know that islam is the only religion that respects women and protects their wrights. What you hear in the media is only the of Jews who is trying to promote violation of women by promoting adultry. If you think that is freedom then why wouldnt any of you would accept the idea that a sister of his takes a profession as a pornstar?
Open your eyes. Look for a DVD titled “Confronting the Evidence” and see who is the terrorest around you.

stallion on September 19, 2006 at 5:29 am

Freewoman,
Your opinions seem to reflect no apparent evidence. The Quaran says nothing about killing people for what they believe in. I personally haven’t heard of anyone getting killed because they chose to abandon Islam as a faith. However, it is known that anyone who comes from a religious community or country and decided to abandon that religion will face many issues in the process ? regardless of what that religion is. I know of many North American Muslims who abandoned the faith and they are alive and well. Furthermore, just because you don’t hear of any Muslims speaking out against extremism doesn’t mean they don’t exist. It just means that media doesn’t give them the time of day. Bush wants support to go to war and that is achieved by making people believe that Muslims are terrorists (through the media) and the world should be rescued from them. In the process, people are killed in the name of freedom and people like Maher Arar have their lives ripped apart from stupid stereotypes. Moreover, Islam does want people to live in peace and brotherly love; however, it is some Muslims that are violent. There is a difference. Finally, recheck the names above, there at least 3 that were religious extremists that killed in the name ‘of god’. I didn’t just scribble anything I could think of;)

chocolatemilk on September 19, 2006 at 7:33 pm

Dear Debbie
I hope that you don’t mind me laughing at the piece in your article in which you have stated:
“Take Angela Collins, 30. The sexy blonde with blue eyes converted to Islam because she felt she missed something growing up as a latchkey kid, and the religion
filled a void that existed since her parents divorced when she was 5. “As I’m reading [the Koran], I almost feel as if I am being parented.”
Well, she may have felt parented, but she also felt violence:
In 2003 she married a Kuwait-born Muslim, but their marriage was rocky. They are currently going through a divorce, and she had to obtain a restraining order.
Restraining orders are not exactly a very attractive feature for joining a religion.”
Now lets pause for a second. Are you telling us that Jews and Christians do not have domestic abuse or what are you telling us here?
You seem like an intelligent woman, can you remind me of the religion of Timothy McVeigh, Hitler and Milosevic (the butcher of the Balkans)? Or (this might be much easier for you), can you tell the rest of us what was the religion of the Crusaders who mass murdered hundred of thousands in the name of the Cross (there, that was a hint).
don’t waste your time, Converts to Islam will still Convert no matter what you say or do my dear and it is such a waste of time to try to associate criminlas like Bin Laden and Atta with Isalm and have a bilnd eye on Criminals of your own faith, that is if you have one to begin with!
Thanks

master on October 4, 2006 at 2:01 pm

Whoever sees Islam and Islamic rules in negative or bad manner is totally ignorant and superficial; just follow my links to know what I mean.
http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.55a.net/firas/english/index.php

Jim on December 5, 2006 at 4:48 am

For all the naysayers, do bear in mind that Islam is not a passing fancy. It has been around for over 1400 years and has 1.5 billion plus followers worldwide.
The extremists originate from a splinter sect set-up, encouraged and propagated by the British during imperial times. Lawrence of Arabia may appear a very romantic and almost saintly figure from the western perspective, but the real truth is that he was an instrument of the British Imperialistic machine.
Wahabisism, and Takfir were sects that came to the fore late in the 19 th century, under British and Western patronage. These are all independently verifiable historical facts…
The idea was to give a knockout punch to the already weakened Ottoman Empire, by encouraging an “Arabic Nationalistic” version of Islam.
They were very successful, as history bear’s witness. The House of Saud and all other Gulf monarchies are a testament to that. The whole of the middle east was carved up so that there would never be a credible “Muslim Enpire” ever to come up again from this region.
The other thought was to drive a deep wedge within the traditional Sunni Islam so that the threat any united action from them would go away.
Again they were very successful in that endeavour.
This “Wahaby Sect” was again exploited to train and rear an army of zomby like do or die individuals in the seminaries and so called Islamic Schools in Pakistan and other poor muslim countries. The typical recruits came from very impoversished, illiterate families where finding the next meal was a challenge.
Young children were indoctinated here during the 80s as gun fodder agains the Soviets in Afghanistan. The religious dogma used was exaclty the same as was used in the Gulf countries in the ealry part of the 20 th century.
You must understand that this sect operates by cutting all the recruits off from “Traditional, or Fundamentalist” Islam. They declare the chain of most of the enlightened Islamic Schoalars, which extends 1400 years as heretics, declaring that a group of 4 or 5 schoalars are the only ones able to interpret Islam… and their version is almost a travesity of the reality…
Unfortunately, they do have a lot of genuine greviances to point to, therebye generate sympathy for their action oriented radical approach.
I don’t claim to be a schoalar, but if I have encouraged anyone from amongst the non-muslim readers to re-examine the history and take a hard objective look at Islam, I would have succeeded…
Finally, please dont confuse the Muslims and their current state with Al Islam. They are two different things. Muslims have known greatness, when they have been true to their religion, with its broad humanitarian outlook and almost obsessive focuss on the acquisition and distribution of knowledge.
Peace to all.

seeker100 on January 3, 2007 at 5:07 am

first i of all let me say islam in the west and islam in the east are two different distinct views. In the west the views of islam are of peace. In the east the view of islam is of violence and conversion to islam by force, “death”, or tax called the jiza.
Mohammed when he became a polictical force what did he do, he never performed a miracle, in fact he said to kill and burn the infidels of the pillaging village. So if the prophet had done this how is it a religon of peace.
2) Mohammed youngest wife was Six years old
3) If you commit adultery in Islam you will be Stoned to death, recent example of this is in Pakistan.
4) an minority christian, jew, buddhist in a muslim country is oppressed. however a muslim in minority in the us, uk, are treated equally. Hence the right to vote. You cannot vote in some muslim countries if you are not muslim
5) if you convert out of islam you shall be beheaded. Thats why people do not convert out. Islam is brainwashing at a mass media level. Period
ISLAM IN THE WEST IS *NOT* DIFFERENT FROM ISLAM IN THE EAST. IT IS NOT PEACEFUL, ANYWHERE.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

intelover on January 23, 2007 at 8:57 am

Dont think your read my piece at all. I did not make any arguments about Muslims in the West or in the East.
Your comments seem to be sheer regurgitation of completely uninformed and rather insular points of views.
Why dont you read comments written by Western historians starting from Thomas Carlyle to George Bernard Shaw to Karen Armstrong and especially Martin Lings on early Islam and the Prophet (SAW)?
I do feel that the best rebuttal of your arguments is best left to the Prophet (SAW) himself. I am quoting below his last sermon, which has been recorded in History by a number of different sources. I think you may beging to understand why Islam is a relaigion promising a special place to women.
Do note that this sermon was given after the conquest of Mecca, so there was no threat to the Prophet (SAW). Also that a few decades ago, the Arabs had been a completely barbarian people, with a very rich language, but very brutal culture, where girsl were buried alive. Here’s the sermon…
The Last Sermon of the Prophet
The last sermon of the Prophet-peace be upon him- is known as Khutbatul Wada’. It is mentioned in almost all books of Hadith. Following Ahadith in Sahih Al-Bukhari refer to the sermon and quote part of it. See Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361) Sahih of Imam Muslim also refers to this sermon in Hadith number 98. Imam al-Tirmidhi has mentioned this sermon in Hadith nos. 1628, 2046, 2085. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal has given us the longest and perhaps the most complete version of this sermon in his Masnud, Hadith no. 19774.
This Khutbah of the Prophet-peace be upon him- was long and it contained much guidance and instructions on many issues. The Prophet-peace be upon him- gave this sermon in front of a large gathering of people during Hajj.
Whosoever heard whatever part of the sermon reported it and later some scholars put it together. It is a great khutbah and we should all pay attention to its message and guidance. Following are the basic points mentioned in this khutbah:
O People
Lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefor listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.
O People
Just as you regard this month, this day, this city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest); therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity.
Allah has Judged that there shall be no interest and that all interest due to Abbas Ibn ?Abd al Muttalib (the Prophet’s uncle) shall henceforth be waived.
Beware of Satan for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
O People
It is true that you have certain rights in regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives, only under Allah’s trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat you women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.
O People
Listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat.
Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefor, do injustice to yourselves.
Remember one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listened to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people.”
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Finally ask any genuine Jewish Schoalar or Historian and he will inform you that one of the Golden eras of Judaisim was under Muslims in Egypt ( while the Catholic Church was still blaming them of having conspired agains Jesus Peace be Upon him).
The Muslim empire in Spain and later Ottomans gave them refuge, honour and citizenships against the inquisitions and targetted discrimination.
To this day some of the most successful businesses in Muslim Turkey are run by Turkish Jews.
I challenge anyone to refute these historical facts with hard arguments, not calumny picked up from yellow press….
Lets lift the caliber of the debate to a more fact based one.

seeker100 on January 24, 2007 at 8:53 am

i am the one who converted islam . i just can say this. Noone can judge something if he doesnt know what really is it. so first i advice to everyone to read quran and prophet Muhammed’s life. pls before read quran dont judge islam. and i want to say this too. middle east or wherever, i can say that mostly of them live their culture not islam. and we cant judge any idea or religion by looking who is member of religions. And if you want to see something good then you can look at Turkey or some countries else too.

maydin82 on August 20, 2007 at 2:22 pm

I DO KNOW ISLAM WHEN I WAS LIVING IN SAUDI ARABIA,ONCE UP ON A TIME I WENT OUT MY HOUSE TO EXPLORE THE CENTRAL MARKET ON FRIDAY NOON,I WILL NOT FOR GET IT FOR EVER IN MY LIFE,AFTER MULIM PRAYER I WATCHED 15 MEN HAD BEEN BEHEADED AND 3 WOMEN HAD BEEN STONED TO DEATH.THAT MOMOENT I WAS OUT OF CONSCIOUS AND ASKED ONE AFRICAN MAN TO TALK ME FOR CLINIC BECAUSE I VOMITED TOO MUCH.I REMEMBER ONE OF THE WOMEN WAS FOREIGN FROM FRANCE ,SHE CONVERTED TO ISLAM AND MARRIED ISLAM ARAB,SHE ASKED FOR MARCY IN FRENCH LANGUAGE.BUT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE DIDNOT GIVE HER ANY CHANCE TO SPEAK LAUDLY,BIT HER WITH STONES,I WEPT….THEN AFTER I TOOK TREATMENT I QUTTED THAT COUNTRY AND I CHOSE FREEDOM BETTER THAN MONEY….PRAISE BE TO JESUS CHRIST,CHRIST IS PEACE,FORGIVENESS

samuel on November 26, 2009 at 1:02 pm

I DO NOT UNDER STAND WHY WHITE PEOPLE CONVERTED TO ISLAM,THEY MARRY A N ARAB MEN WHO HAD ALREADY MARRIED 4 WOMEN AND DO NOT LOOK UP ON THEM LIKE AREB WOMEN AND HIS WIFES DO NOT RESPECT THE WHITE WOMEN AND THEY TOLD THEM THEY WERE KAFIRIN NOT VIRIGIN.THOSE WHITE WOMEN ARE CRAZY,

samuel on November 26, 2009 at 1:08 pm

marshallah alhamduallah
i am so pleased to hear a converter because they are taking right pathandth all the comments you have throwed is lies because u are not muslima nd dont know who they are: (dont judge the book by its cover)

menda on March 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm

this is americas chance to infiltrate their communities and mosques.

wal on November 17, 2010 at 12:06 pm

assalam 3leikum
angela im very proud because i have asister in united states her name is angela collins i ask allah to bless you and give you the ability to lead the others to the right. if you need any help just contact me thank you

hasan on January 27, 2011 at 6:07 am