Do you think our politicians will ever put 2 and 2 together regarding the web of Islamics that have infiltrated our university system, especially the Middle East study programs? It’s very clever guerilla warfare as our politicians look earnestly and seemingly without question or suspicion at these ‘experts’ for the ‘real’ story on Islam.

John Sobieski on November 22, 2005 at 3:22 pm

any and all info.Has been copied and passed on to his prayer buddies.Just think,this is only one of ???? we are doomed

danny on November 22, 2005 at 3:23 pm

Torture Is Good

Torture — Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
Actually, real torture is awful. I just wanted to be provocative.
I believe exerting pressure on enemy combatants in order to extract information is sometimes n…

La Shawn Barber's Corner on November 22, 2005 at 4:19 pm

Islam is not a peaceful religion despite what GWB and other leaders have said to the contrary.
Anyone that has bothered to read some of the Koran would know that it is in fact a very violent religion that advocates killing anyone who is not a true believer.
Why we allow these folks to build mosques which provide covert meeting places and allow them immigrate here is a mystery.
It is like inviting an individual that has vowed to murder you into your house as a roommate.
Our leaders have lost any common sense and expect the rest of us to blindly follow their misguided policy.

ScottyDog on November 22, 2005 at 5:40 pm

I have many things to say here, and this will likely be a very long post, so for that, please forgive me.
ScottyDog, I’ll attempt to answer your question as to why our government allows Muslims to build mosques.
Amendment I
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
But thatís purely conjecture.
Regarding your statement “Anyone that has bothered to read some of the Koran would know that it is in fact a very violent religion that advocates killing anyone who is not a true believer.” Well, not really. I own a Qur’an and have read it. Although I myself do not practice the religion in any way, I have family that do. None of them support terrorism or mindless violence. There are a number of things I find morally atrocious in the Qur’an, but no more than what you’ll find in the bible. Islam is a hugely misunderstood religion and saying it advocates violence against everyone else is just silly. Granted, some rather questionable things are said in the Qur’an that could easily lead you to those conclusions, but a lot of those things are either taken out of context or misinterpreted. To quote somebody else on the subject “The people who read Quran out of context normally get misguided and go astray. The prophet of Islam (PBUH) disallows interpreting the Quran according to ones own will. The interpretation should be strictly according to the famous Taffasir (books of interpretation) of Quran.” (Muhammad Idrees) I sincerely doubt that if you have read any of the Qurían, that youíve also read the Taffasir. Idrees later goes on to say “a true Muslim is always a peaceful and loving person who loves human beings as they are also the creation of the God.” The Muhammad Idrees Iím referring to is certainly not a prominent Muslim and good luck on researching him, but I thought those quotes were adequate for the point I was trying to make. When groups like Al-Qaida go around saying theyíre killing innocent people in the name of Islam, itís quite obvious theyíve totally perverted the religion.
To further drive my point home, I’m going to make a mighty big assumption and guess that you are a Christian (if not however, then thereís no need to respond to this), consider these verses from the bible.
Deuteronomy, Chapter 7: verses 1 – 5 which say: “When the Lord your God shall bring you into the land where you are entering to posses it, and shall clear away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the Lord your God shall deliver them before you, and you shall defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favour to them. Furthermore, you shall not inter-marry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you. But thus you shall do to them; you shall tear down their alters and smash their sacred pillars and hew down their Asherim and burn their graven images with fire”.
ì13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.î -Leviticus 20:13
ì13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to himî – 1 Corinthians 11:13-14
ì2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.î -Exodus 35:2
ì18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death.î
-Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If you are a Christian I would be interested to see what you think of those quotes. If you are not offended by them, I would be willing to bet that your response would be that their getting misinterpreted, which is exactly what happens with the Qurían.
DEBBIE- I am personally curious as to whether your openly prejudice against Islam or Muslims, based on your past entries it seems to scream it, but I didnít want to make another assumption.
Wow, what a long post. I apologize for that and thank those of you who made it all the way through.
Yours-
nick

nicholasedward on November 22, 2005 at 11:09 pm

Nicholasedward
I am amused with your selective quotes from the bible and your quoting the Constitution does not give a group of people with aims of conquest the right to build a mosque using it as a meeting place to overthrow the USA.
Said the great Muslim jurist, philosopher, and historian Ibn Khaldun (d. 1406): “In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the [Muslim] mission and [the obligation to] convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.
Qur’an’s (Sura 9:5) “slay the unbelievers wherever you find them”
Sura 9:29 says: Ôø?Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] until they pay the Jizya [the special tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission, and feel themselves subduedÔø?.
Islam is indeed a religion of peace: the peace that will prevail over the world when Sharia is the supreme law of every land.
I could go on and on but the point is we should not invite people into this country whose goal it is to convert us to Islam and Kill the nonbelievers. I do not recall the Pope issuing fatwaÔø?s encouraging Christians to kill the Infidel. I have not heard Jerry Falwell telling his followers to put on bomb belts to martyr themselves for 22 virgins.

ScottyDog on November 23, 2005 at 8:49 am

Nick, you need to work on that taqiyya. It’s seriously flawed, and you can’t say the Qur’an doesn’t promote killing of infidels because unlike most morons you tell that to, we have read it. You need some history lessons. Start with Andrew Bostom’s The Legacy of Jihad.

John Sobieski on November 23, 2005 at 11:13 am

RE; Many things to say here.You had nothing to say but other’s “past words”

danny on November 23, 2005 at 4:23 pm

Scottydog- I’m going to slice up your quotes to illustrate what I was responding to:
“your quoting the Constitution does not give a group of people with aims of conquest the right to build a mosque…”
Yea, it really does. They can build a mosque and pray all they want. Thatís indisputable.
You finish the rest of the line with this:
“…using it as a meeting place to overthrow the USA.”
I never said anything about our government allowing people to use it as a meeting place for terrorism, thatís clearly illegal and I’m surprised you would even imply that I was asserting that. You combined two different things to make it appear as though if I was arguing for one, I was arguing for another. I was never supporting the people who use mosques to convene for terrorism, only their constitutional right to build a mosque in the first place. You can’t just tell a religion they can’t build churches because some idiots choose to use them for negative purposes. Your original quote, “Why we allow these folks to build mosques which provide covert meeting places and allow them immigrate here is a mystery.î, seems to insinuate that if they build mosques they will use them for meeting places for terrorism and because of that we should stop allowing mosques to be built. Thatís not just a profoundly myopic idea, but an illegal one. Once again, we cannot disallow people from building religious centers because a few idiots use it as a cloak for evil deeds. Drugs are sold at schools, people occasionally get murdered at hospitals, should we shut those down as well? No, we should do the best we can to fix these problems instead of singling out a minority.
“I am amused with your selective quotes from the bible”
After telling me this, you proceed to give me selected quotes from the Qur’an. Listen, if youíre going to be able to hold your own in an argument, it would be wise to stop criticizing others for the exact same things you do. You didn’t even have a response to any of the quotes I posted, aside from telling me that you were amused, thatís you’re retort? Amusement? You also ignored everything I said about Tafsir and the books of interpretation. Have you read them or not?
If you honestly believe that Christian leaders don’t advocate violence then I’ll try and refresh your memory. The Spanish inquisition, the crusades, the refusal to denounce the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis from the pope, the destruction of the entire Mayan civilization- but those are just a few. Christianity has lots of blood on its hands, so it would be ridiculous to criticize only Islam for violence. That isnít to say Islam is a perfect religion without sin, because it most certainly is not, but it doesnít stand alone in sins against the world. Christianity has become more modernized than Islam recently, that I will give you, but our present time only reflects a very small percentage of Christianityís and Islamís history. It reminds me of high school, as soon as your not a freshman anymore, you immediately curse the new class.
John Sobieski- You obviously have no idea what youíre talking about. Assuming Iím a Muslim because I oppose your viewpoint isnít just a horrible cop out, but an incredibly weak accusation with no merit or validity. You didnít even have anything to say back to me besides that ìI need a history lesson.î Tell ya what, Iíll go read some books on history and you read some books on logic. My name is nick (not an islamic name) and I don’t belong to any religious sect, I’m only merely trying to defend one from inaccuracies against it.
Danny- I posted nearly 900 words, thatís about 4 pages double spaced, in my opinion thatís a lot to say. Regardless of whether some of the things I posted were quotes from others, that doesnít change the fact much was said, get over yourself. I tend to think the only reason you said anything at all was to be a smartass and because you couldnít come up with anything better to say. What you said had absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about. Itís a common characteristic of people that when you canít defeat somebody in debate, you get angry and insult them.

nicholasedward on November 23, 2005 at 5:34 pm

One last thing I forgot to post
“These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith.”
“The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace.”
-George W Bush

nicholasedward on November 23, 2005 at 5:38 pm

Nick
Take your blinders off and get off your high horse and stop lecturing me like you are some high handed legal eagle.
As an advocate that Islam is peaceful, you have no facts to back up your argument. You came in here like a bull in a china shop using selective quotes to prove Christianity is violent Ôø?tooÔø? so Islam is peaceful.
You argument is the Constitution guarantees their right to practice their religion and you have no argument from me except the facts are they are using Mosques to promote terrorism.
Have you been a hole somewhere and not been reading the numerous investigative reports about groups like CAIR and Hamas. Steven Emerson went undercover and found they are using Mosques to promote terrorism in this country a fact which you ignore. Numerous investigative reporters have downed the burka and taken video that proves what is really going on in Mosques.
Saudi Arabia has been funding Mosques with the intent to take this country over by using terrorism. Just like in the madrasas where they indoctrinate children they use Mosques to breed hate and provide meeting places that are protected under on Constitution to avoid surveillance by the FBI.
Our Government has every right to stop Islamic groups from building Mosques that are nothing more than indoctrination centers for hate and terrorism but our Political leaders do not have the backbone to do something about it.
I threw some selective quotes from the Quran at you just as you threw some selective quotes from the bible. People like you, like to argue that Islam is peaceful and justify this by slamming Christianity.
Your quotes from GWB are ridiculous. He has no clue or maybe he is trying to appease Muslims. Islam has a long history of violence in the name of conquest and it continues today in places like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and many other countries that have come under the dark force of Islamic Law.
And finally, I have read parts of the Quran and it reads like a terror manual. It astounds me that anyone can buy into the crap that is promoted under the name of religion, specifically Islam. IMHO Mohammed was the Jim Jones of religion and it amazes me anyone with common sense cannot see through this junk religion.
How can anyone justify a prophet that thinks it is ok to have sex with children?
When he was 50, he demanded a little 6 year old girl, AÔø?isha, from her father and his devoted follower Abu Bakr, claiming his Ôø?rights as a prophetÔø? and Ôø?marriedÔø? her, despite her fatherÔø?s disconcertion. He began his marital rape of AÔø?isha when she was 9 years old and still playing with dolls. He claimed to have had his best Ôø?revelationsÔø? while Ôø?under the blanketÔø? with this little girl.
Are you one of the Kool-Aid drinkers?

ScottyDog on November 24, 2005 at 6:16 pm

“As an advocate that Islam is peaceful, you have no facts to back up your argument.”
My argument wasn’t to establish necessarily that Islam is peace such as George Bush has suggested, just that its not inherantly violent as your telling me. If you look at the situation in the Middle East, its a similar scenario to what was going on in Europe in the Middle Ages. Its not exactly a booming metropolis of intellectual bliss. Because of all the violence and infighting, Religion is often used as justification for horrible crimes, just as it was the case with Christians slaughtering jews and muslims and in some cases fellow Christians (Protestants, Lutherans, Catholics type situations) in Europe. Now if you were to say to me that Islam, just like all organized religion, was the reason they were fighting in the first place, then yea I’d agree with that. Its the people themselves that decide to kill others in the name of religion.
You keep telling me I don’t have any facts but you have not read the books of interpretation, so your own personal interpretation of what the Qur’an is saying is of no worth.
Again, your telling me terrorism is being promoted in SOME mosques, I’m not disputing this, hell, Debbie herself went undercover and saw it. Buts its ludacris to say we shouldn’t allow them go worship in their temples because in SOME mosques people use it as means of promoting terrorism. Should we shut down all catholic churches because little girls and boys (thousands of them) were getting molested?
This isn’t really related, but what you said about Saudi Arabia trying to take over our country through terrorism. Well theres better ways than than. Tell me, do you watch Fox news? Because over 5% of it is owned by the Saudi Prince, again reported by Debbie. But back to other matters.
If a certain mosque was breeding terrorism and it could be proven, then sure I would be ok with shutting it down, but I would never support legislation to stop building mosques altogether.
I’m not justifying the peacefulness of Islam by slamming christianity, I’m trying to show you Islam is essentially no different than christianity. My quotes from George Bush weren’t meant to be enlightening, I only put them there to illustrate that even your master disagrees with you.
“How can anyone justify a prophet that thinks it is ok to have sex with children?”
Are you fucking kidding me? Joseph married (and was likely having sex with) Mary when she was a 12 year old girl. What you just touched on though was one of the things I find morally atrocious with Islam, that Polygamy is allowed. From what I understand though, some people argue the 9 year old girl was closer to 12 (not that it makes much difference).
And finally, Yes I drink Kool-Aid, its great, especially when you live on a limited income. Its very low priced and delicious, my favorite is black cherry but Lemon lime gives it a run for its money. If your referring to the people who use it for mass suicide then no, I would never do such an injustice to such a great beverage by adding poison.

nicholasedward on November 24, 2005 at 8:21 pm

F-all, just do what a Marine friend said to do, save Israel of course but turn the Middle east to glass. No nukes, just the bombs we do have. Enemy and commie Hugo Chavez is selling gas to the poor in Massachusettes at 40% below market price but the ragheads in Saudi Arabia is giving nohing? And James M. Inhofe – US Senator – Oklahoma does not want to put Howard Stern on Armed forces radio because it’ll offend the Muslims??? They bombed us you asshole! (sorry Deb) So, it’s OK that Americans suffer, Chavez is evil (he is a commie), Chavez sells oil for cheap, yet the Saudis do nothing and some dumb-shit senator in OK never served time in the military, is saying Howard will offend the Muslim…On 9/11, the Saudis offended us by killing 3,000 civilians. With people like Inhofe, expect America to be destroyed.

KOAJaps on November 24, 2005 at 11:27 pm

-Bomb all of middle east and turn it into glass
-Hugo Chavez selling gas to the poor for cheap= Evil commie
-“ragheads in Saudi Arabia is giving nothing”
-Senator from Oklahoma doesn’t want Stern on military radio= The downfall of our nation
Do I even have to make a comment here? Because I think he effectively took himself down. I think the only thing missing at the end of that post was a “white power” chant.

nicholasedward on November 25, 2005 at 3:09 am

The Padilla/Muhajir trial

Michelle Malkin provides coverage of the indictment now underway for Jose Padilla(also known as Muhajir), a New York born Muslim convert suspected of plotting a “dirty bomb” attack, and conspiracy to kidnap, torture and murder people overseas.

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Nick,
Thank you for your right choice of words. Everything you said was 100% correct, some people just do not give the koran a shot. It is a beautiful creation of Allah (swt) Thanks again for giving everyone the chance to open their eyes and look at the true meaning of Islam instead of just assuming all Muslims are terrorists! Because they are not I have met many of them and they should try to do the same. Islam doesnt promote violence, it stops it by promoting peace.

Maya on February 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm

“Jayyousi’s father still lives in the Detroit area.”

None of anyones business…

Maya on February 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm

“One co-indictee, Kifah Wael Jayyousi, has a VERY scary background–because HE INFILTRATED DETROIT AND WASHINGTON, DC SCHOOL SYSTEMS & HAD ACCESS TO THEIR AIR DUCTS, WATER.”

I find it funny how u fail to realize that he did in fact have access to all those things and he did in fact hold that much money with the school system BUT he didnt harm the system or cheat it just like Detroit’s own governor Kwame Kilpatrick did. You also mention how his father still lives in the Detroit area… do you really have to add bullshit your blogs so they can seem longer? You are very rude and disrespectful and I LOVE how u link everything in your shitty blogs to Islam. Or Hezbollah I mean seriously do your research women!! Not EVERY Muslim is a supporter and not EVERY Muslim is a shiaa. I would think a lady with an educational background like you would know, but I have been proven wrong :/ you obviously have NO IDEA about Islam or about its people. I wonder why these people read your blogs… you’re so disgusting, your blogs are nasty, you’re racist and prejudice. Its people like u and fox news who mess with people’s heads and make people hate others… you’re so pointless and I pray that God cures your craziness. I feel bad for idiots like u.

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