July 9, 2014, - 9:26 am

Don’t Get Too Excited: Despite HAMAS Rockets, Israel Won’t Flatten Gaza, Problems Will Grow

By Debbie Schlussel

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I feel like Yogi Berra when it comes to what’s going on in Israel today. It’s deja vu all over again. During the Israel-Hezbollah war of 2006, or when Israel was forced to fight HAMAS in 2007 and again in 2008, 2009 and 2010, many friends and readers cheered Israel’s response, saying, “This time, Israel will finally crush them.” Um, no, this time and the next time and the next time after that, Israel will do no such thing. And so HAMAS (and in several cases Hezbollah) will use it as a victory to regroup, refresh, recruit, and re-arm. That’s what will happen this time, too. And that’s exactly the problem.

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Hundreds of HAMAS Missiles Like This Over Tel Aviv & Jerusalem

Rocket missiles are falling all over Israel and its citizens are in bomb shelters. But tomorrow or in a week, they will be out of them, and Gaza will still be around with HAMAS still running the show, bragging about still being around and plotting the next such set of attacks on Israel. That’s how it always goes. Israel won’t flatten Gaza. Israel willingly, under non-stop pressure from George W. Bush, gave Gaza to HAMAS. And then, under the non-stop pressure from the father of Arab Spring and free elections for barbarians (George W. Bush, again), allowed Gaza to elect HAMAS. And, so, this problem will never go away. These Palestinians support HAMAS, which they proudly elected. They now occupy Gaza. And unless, Israel has the guts to flatten Gaza, this problem will keep festering, recurring, and will only get worse over time.

Remember when Israel went into Gaza over the HAMAS kidnapping of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit? Everyone told me I should cheer because Israel was finally going to defeat HAMAS. Really? It’s still here, and as I warned on this site then, the cheers are misplaced. I predicted that eventually Israel would pull out of Gaza, after several Israeli soldiers’ lives were lost, and HAMAS would declare victory. That’s exactly what happened, and Israel traded over a thousand Islamic terrorists for Shalit in the end. Read my 2008 column, “Don’t Get Too Excited About the Phony Baloney Israeli “War” v. HAMAS.” Everything I said would happen did, and nearly everything I said would happen with that “war” v. HAMAS will happen with this “war” v. HAMAS. Different Israeli Prime Minister, same deal. I’ve written so many columns like this over the years because Israel v. HAMAS is “Groundhog Day.” Same thing over and over again, same bad results.







You think Israel is going to go in and flatten HAMAS and Gaza this time? Think again. It won’t and it doesn’t have the guts. It worries too much about the international community and U.S. calls for “restraint” and condemnations of “disproportionate response” (this has been the verbatim lingua franca for Israel with every U.S. Prez–Obama, Bush before him, and so on). And, so, the rocket attacks–which have gone on daily for years (but the media doesn’t report them)–will continue. The problem will fester. Because Israel–like the rest of the West which holds it back–is too humane in the face of evil.

So your cheering is for naught. The rocket attacks will continue as they always have. There will be more kidnappings and murders of Israeli teens. and things will only get worse. When you have a cancer that’s invaded your hand, you do all you can to eliminate the cancer completely or it keeps growing and you die. You don’t use restraint and worry about “disproportionate response” and you don’t say, well, I can live with the cancer’s growth, so I will retreat. But Israel always eventually retreats, as it did repeatedly over the years with HAMAS, as it did in the meaningless Israel-Hezbollah War of 2006 from which it retreated after spilling Israeli blood for nothing and allowing Hezbollah to remain in control of South Lebanon.

What is different this time? The rockets over Tel Aviv? Won’t make a difference. The Tel Avivniks are still liberals like New Yorkers. They still won’t support flattening Gaza. And the Israelis will never do it. Because only America is allowed to flatten Nazis. Israel must live with Nazis all over and from within. And just sit there and take it, despite a few bombings and invasions for show and for videos.

A few weeks from now, HAMAS will declare victory as it always does and Israel will have gone home with its tail between its legs. And it will only embolden HAMAS and encourage the development of rockets that will go further.

Pray for the safety of the people of Israel in bomb shelters. And realize that because Israel won’t flatten Gaza and the international community won’t stand for it, the visits and stays in bomb shelters will only increase in the future as sitting ducks continue to sit and not eliminate those shooting at them. Israel is lucky. It has Iron Dome, the system which shoots down and destroys most rockets while they are still in the air. But this is a crutch and won’t save Israel ultimately because it is allowing the problem to grow instead of nipping it in the bud (which has long since sprouted into a blooming deadly flower).

Israel’s real wars–in which its goal was to soundly and mercilessly defeat the enemy–are over and have been for decades. And soon that will be the reason Israel is over.

Snakes bite. It’s what they do. You can’t live with a poisonous snake. You have to kill it.

*** UPDATE – Correction: As many readers pointed out, Yogi Berra is still alive. Apologies to Yogi. Glad you’re still with us. To paraphrase Mark Twain, news of your death was highly exaggerated (at least by me).***




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169 Responses

Sadly, you are so right! Pray the people, and especially the government of Israel, wake up before it is too late. It is a matter of their survival.

Paul on July 9, 2014 at 11:02 am

    Paul, we’re awake. Until there’s a new election and we can vote for a different party, haha, we’re stuck. I don’t know if Lieberman can unseat Bibi or if he’ll be better but something has to happen. The idiot, Bibi, actually said that we won’t stop the operation in Gaza until the rockets stop falling.! These guys are either part of an evil conspiracy or total morons when it comes to understanding the Levantine mind! Unbelievable. I am still hearing planes so hopefully I’m wrong and Hamas is so worked up this time, they won’t take that as their cue to stop firing. BTW, I’m not going to reveal my exact location but I’m slightly inland, South of TA but north of Gaza. We have had sirens since Monday, in my small town and yesterday there was an intercept almost directly over my house. We do not have a safe room nor do we have a public shelter to go to and I live in a small house, not a high rise where I could go to the stairwell for some protection. They are aiming for Jerusalem, TA and Haifa but anything in between is fair game and of course vulnerable to a short fall or mis-aim.

    Meira on July 9, 2014 at 1:14 pm

      Meira sez:

      “Paul, we’re awake. Until there’s a new election and we can vote for a different party, haha, we’re stuck.”

      Meira, you know you’ve just written nonsense. Elections make absolutely no difference with respect to the Mooooslims squatting in Eretz Israel.

      skzion on July 9, 2014 at 3:28 pm

        Yes, I know SK, and really you know I believe our only hope is Hashem and that He gets the fulfilling of prophecy over with fast. It just was easier to give the political answer because I’m getting tired of all this. Today without any alerts was almost more nerve wracking than having the rockets coming my way because it’s too easy to slip into complacency when it’s quiet for hours. I guess I can hope for a political leader who will prosecute a REAL war and get rid of this plague, even if it isn’t realistic. BTW, they aimed for Dimona tonight but fortunately Iron Dome did its job.

        Meira on July 9, 2014 at 3:57 pm

          ” our only hope is Hahem’……..you sound like UK-SUE

          HK on July 9, 2014 at 5:11 pm

          Meira, since you knew what I said was true, please don’t necessitate the correction in the first place! Nothing good is served by politically correct answers.

          “our only hope is Hashem and that He gets the fulfilling of prophecy over with fast.”

          Do I really need to respond that relying on Hashem for a miracle is totally non-Torah-compliant?! Prophesy does not require a single Jew today in Israel to remain alive. Prophecy only says that at the end time there will be Jews.

          skzion on July 9, 2014 at 5:22 pm

          SK, Look I’m a little tired and a little stressed. Ok? I don’t rely on Hashem for miracles but I do trust HIm to know what He’s doing and some of it ain’t pretty but maybe we deserve it. I recognize miracles when they happen but never assume I’m going to get one at any given time.

          Debbie’s right. this is a sham war. I just read that we are actually still sending food to Gaza!!!!!! WE ARE STUPID AND DOWNRIGHT EVIL! Nothing definitive is going to happen with this government and I don’t really see anyone better on the horizon.

          It’s discouraging to say the least but for us personally, there isn’t a better life anywhere so all we can do is hang on.

          Meira on July 10, 2014 at 7:46 am

          Also, SK you’re right. There’s no prophecy that WE who are currently alive will be alive when Moshiach comes because we have no idea of when that will be but it’s sure looking like prophecy is closing in the last couple of years so IF that is true, about one third of us will survive.

          Meira on July 10, 2014 at 7:54 am

          “SK, Look I’m a little tired and a little stressed. Ok?”

          Fair enough, Meira. I would be too.

          skzion on July 10, 2014 at 9:07 am

          Thanks, SK

          Meira on July 11, 2014 at 4:23 am

      Meira, I am afraid Bibi is stalling for time so he can go back to the status quo. While he talks tough to the Israeli public, he is frantically begging anyone,(Egypt, the European union, The U.S.), to get Hamas to stop firing rockets so he won’t have to get into a ground operation. House to house fighting is a mess and he knows it. The politicians don’t have the stomach to order an operation which they know will mean heavy casualties and international condemnation, even while knowing this is the only possible way to defeat these terrorists once and for all. Elections won’t help as you just rearrange the same Knesset members. Islam is at war with the whole world and we happen to be on the front line. Our only hope is to become tougher and more ruthless than the enemy.

      Paul on July 9, 2014 at 4:16 pm

      I have always said that the correct response is 1,000 to one causualties, just like prisoner exchanges. Use their own numbers. The Palestinains need a brutal beating, “Number 6 style,” to quote Slim Pickens.

      And don’t stop this time.

      Occam's Tool on July 9, 2014 at 7:59 pm

        Dang, misspelled Paleswinians. That’s better.

        Incidentally, “it’s clobbering time!” is the term most associated with The Thing, Ben Grimm, a character who is Jewish.

        Occam's Tool on July 14, 2014 at 11:56 pm

      Meira – Before you run to vote for Lieberman, look at his party’s web site. It calls for a Palestinian State using 40% of Israel’s land. Likud is not the problem. Likud’s current leader is the problem. There are rising Likud MKs that will follow the Likud charter, which clearly demands the annexation of all land Israel captures or liberates in wars. It also forbids the creation of a “Palestinian” state anywhere on Israeli territory, and eschews land for peace deals. Instead of Lieberman, who insisted that Israelis be able to buy pork, look into true Jewish Leadership, at jewishleadership.org. Change is coming, and it will be good.

      phillip slepian on July 25, 2014 at 11:30 am

For Hamas what will happen is another Hudna. A Hudna is the closest Muslims come to an actual peace.

A hudna is a temporary truce (for the Muslims it is temporary even if they lie – Taquia – and give the impressio to their enemies that it is more than that). The Hudna allowsa the Muslims to regroup and get stronger until they fell they can attack again, which they do.

I do disagree with you Debbie. There will be a point when Israel will have had enough and will flatten Gaza because its survival will depend on it. That will not happen now or in the next few oog these. However, and unfortunately Hamas will do something so devastating that Israel will have no choice.

I_AM_ME on July 9, 2014 at 11:25 am

    IAM, we are at that point. Why is that so hard for you to realize. Everything prior to this was target practice. Now they’ve got aim and distance. Practice time is over. They’re playing for keeps now.

    Meira on July 9, 2014 at 1:19 pm

DS….a surgeon doesnt necessarily treat hand cancer by cutting off an arm…thats why I have strongly maintained that Israel should carry out a surgical strike, as a surgeon would do with that hand cancer….a target killing of meshaal and/or haniyeh would have far greater impact and israel could play the arab game” you see, dear arab cousins, we are trying to minmize arab civilian casualties, so we took out your leaders” …………………..PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE

HK on July 9, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Come over hear and say that, HK. You’re delusional. Hamas is not part of our body. It’s a parasite that needs to be plucked off and squashed.

    Meira on July 9, 2014 at 1:17 pm

      * here

      Meira on July 9, 2014 at 1:17 pm

        i am scheduled to be there on the 14th, i still have my reservation….my nephew was at a bustop in tel aviv yesterday when the missile got taken out right over him….please dont preach to me…

        HK on July 9, 2014 at 1:23 pm

          Well, I’m here now and I had one taken out almost directly over me yesterday too. That’s the reality. You think minor surgery is enough, I think you’ll change your tune once you’re actually here, assuming it’s still on by then.

          Meira on July 9, 2014 at 4:00 pm

        And above all…please try and stay safe

        HK on July 9, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      Dear Meira:

      Regrettably, you are wrong. Israel, or at least Nothingyahu, is still not serious about fighting Hamas. If, as Israel is doing, you call the house you are going to bomb and warn them a bomb is coming, then drop a warning bomb, and then drop a real bomb, you are not serious about targeting terrorists.

      If you treat your enemies in your hospital, provide them with electricity to build their weapons, and allow new building materials to come in to their land, you are not serious about stopping terrorists.

      If you don’t seal off Gaza and make them feel pain, real pain, for their killing of Jews, you will never stop the support for terrorism.

      Jonathan E. Grant on July 9, 2014 at 2:19 pm

        You’re right, Jon, and I never said differently. I despise Netanyahu. I was appalled to read we treated 4 kids from Gaza in hospital and it was being reported as “see what good guys we are?” Same with Abbas’ wife. I am tired tho. I haven’t let them disturb my sleep but today was very wearing, waiting for the next missile to drop or siren to go off and not having it happen. It’s nice to hope for a real change but I know that it’s not going to happen. Danny Danon is calling for the shutting down of water and electricity to all of Gaza. They did shut off Haniya’s neighborhood but that’s not good enough and yes, about the brochures and phone calls. I was astounded (although I shouldn’t have been) that did that once again and once again the IDF Spokesperson was on FB saying “look at how humane we are, what good guys.” I never hesitate to tell them they’re idiots for doing such things. We need some Middle Eastern Jews running this place who know the mindset and who won’t try to convince them to play nice under Western rules.

        Meira on July 9, 2014 at 4:10 pm

        I couldn’t have put it better myself

        john J on July 11, 2014 at 3:34 am

I wish that they would flatten Gaza. Pin prick strikes are just the cost of doing business for Hamas.

Worry01 on July 9, 2014 at 12:47 pm

” hamas will declare victory as it always does and Israel will have gone home with its tali between its legs ”

So what ??!!….hamas equals promulgating lies, deception and outrageous fabrications.anyone and everyone that matters knows this. Just yesterday the BBC exposed tweets showing arab casualties from syria and iraq as being fresh new gaza victims. all they do is lie. thats all these hamas arabs and pals know. big deal. theyre not fooling anyone xcept the haters that already hate the jews and israel. in the mideast ,words can never be taken at face value. for example, Jordan has been the most bold and vitriolic critic of Israel’s gaza strikes, calling them “barbaric”..jordan and israel are tacit allies…jordan is 75% palestinian, they must say this to keep the populace calm…. Israel knows this ….

HK on July 9, 2014 at 12:57 pm

the effect of using a nuclear weapon without using “the bomb” would be to target asassinate meshaal or haniyeh.

HK on July 9, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    HK, why target the Fakestinian elites? Yes, one can keep this jihad going for a bit longer doing so, but there should be no Moooslims in Eretz Israel! THAT is the Jewish Response.

    I opposing any efforts that distinguish between the Amalekite leaders of the moment and the Amalekite mass. The Rambam is very clear that the Jews of Israel are involved in a defensive holy war and that the response must be the annihilation of the enemy population.

    As some will recall from a few days back, though, I said there was not a single real high-profile rabbi in either Israel or the US.

    skzion on July 9, 2014 at 5:29 pm

hamas uses their women and children, schools and mosques, markets and playgrounds as shields for their weapons depots and rocket launching sites….then cry when they suffer casualties…they are lying, deceiving cowards…..

HK on July 9, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Today, they have instructed their people to remain in their homes and NOT leave when we give notice. Proof of what you say. I hope we ignore that and bomb anyway.

    BTW, HK, I find being compared to Sue is an insult. She disparages the Jewishness of her messiah and all of us and she is the hyper-spiritual, swinging from the ceilings Charismaniac type you can never reason or get to shut up. I’ve tried here. Knowing what Hashem said in the TaNaKh and believing is is not hyper spiritual or “relying on miracles” as SKZ said. But there is an element of faith. He’s fond of the Rambam so he should know what the first of the 13 Pillars are and he should know the words of Modeh Ani which thanks Hashem for His great faithfulness to us. What do you think that means? To me, it means that He will not forsake the faithful in our hour of need.

    Meira on July 10, 2014 at 7:52 am

muslims continually proclaim that they love death more than the jews love life

HK on July 9, 2014 at 1:17 pm

Too many Israelis (and Jews in general) are still living in Chelm, the city of fools.

David on July 9, 2014 at 1:30 pm

What appears to be going on is some kind of selected terrorist strikes on both sides. Not a war.

A pile of Muzzy bodies would be welcome.

Panhandle on July 9, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Panhandle, the Israelis are waging war on deserted fields.

    skzion on July 9, 2014 at 5:30 pm

“I feel like the late Yogi Berra…”

Yogi is still alive!

lee of the lower case "l" on July 9, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    And he’d probably ask, “Late Yogi Berra? What am I late for, what did I miss?”

    Meira on July 9, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      @ Meira: Your taking time–under constant threat of fire–for a flash of humor speaks to that high-spirited nature you consistently bring to these threads.

      Stay safe; stay proud!

      P.S. But Yogi may be wondering: Dead, I’m dead? Who the hell didn’t get me to the church on time.

      lee of the lower case "l" on July 9, 2014 at 6:07 pm

        Lee, you got me! That was more Yogi but maybe not so funny since his beloved Carmen only died a few months ago. I still laughed tho.

        Meira on July 10, 2014 at 7:56 am

Oh the irony …

Lefty Peace Conference in Tel Aviv Shut Down by Rocket Attack

I_AM_ME on July 9, 2014 at 1:50 pm

I fear Debbie Schlussel is spot on. She asserts and I agree that Netanyahu, cowered by international and leftist’s pressure, will not complete the job. And we will be right back to square one; Israeli’s living with the daily threat of murder, rape, kidnapping, rocket fire, et. al. Islam is an ideology, little is different from Nazism. To neutralize a murderous ideology, as we learned from WWII, one must be prepared to exact a scorched earth policy, excising the toxic belief system to such a degree that it can never re-emerge. Since WWII the international community has determined that dying by a thousand cuts, tolerating the inhumanity from Pol Pot to ISIS, is preferable to eradicating evil. By definition this indicates that acquiescence (a fancy word for cowardice) to all that is evil is the way we humans roll in the 21st century. As Edmund Burke suggested more than 2 centuries ago (I very loosely paraphrase),this cowardice thus makes us all complicit in the evil doings of the murderous gangs such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaida, etc. To borrow a phrase from our “liberal friends”; this is not sustainable. At some point this policy of appeasement serves only the crocodiles that seek your demise but ultimately, failure to act and confront will only result in these ravenous crocodiles consuming you.

David Simpson on July 9, 2014 at 1:55 pm

Debbie you’re so right about this situation. It’s just the same old song and dance that Israel much to her sorrow has done time and time again. You have terrorist scum like HAMAS and whenever they pop out of their caves in Lebanon Hezbollah shootong rockets into Israel. Not to mention the kidnapping, raping and murduring of its citizens. Then you have Israel fearing the Obamanation and the flying monkeys at the UN. Thus you have Israel not doin gwhat has to be done. Dirtbags like Abbas, who is as corrupt as the day is long knows that all he has to do is ride this latest episode out because for one the current dipwad in the White House has his back and not Netanyahu’s(I challege any libtard to prove me wrong on that point). Then the really tragic (if not funny) thing is you have so-called UN “abassadors” like China’s Liu Jieyi condemning Israel for every little thing. That’s the biggest joke since John Kerry as SecState. Unless and until Israel gets off its duff and really takes it to the terrorist monsters living next door this whole song and dance will continue.

Ken b on July 9, 2014 at 2:50 pm

Debbie, I agree with you completely about history. Today’s situation would not be, but for Israel not completing the task back then. Let’s hope “once and for all” has meaning this time.

Gary Sack on July 9, 2014 at 3:35 pm

Debbie, this is an excellent discussion about the smoke and mirrors that Israel’s elites call “a response.” How many times has this same game been played?

I’d like to clarify one important point: it’s not “international pressure” that’s responsible for such non-responses. It is, rather, elite interests. The Israeli left is terrified at the birthrate of the Orthodox. While the be-hatted tremblers called “Haredim” are managed by the faux “rabbis” like Lau, the so-called “national religious” (Dati Leumi) types are a real threat. The elite of Israel are continually balancing one force against another to perpetuate their power. It’s therefore key that Moooooooslims remain in Eretz Israel. THAT is why they are still there. That’s why elections make no difference at all in terms of the Moooooslims or the “settlements” (a.k.a. defenseless suburbs).

The elites have tipped their hand with their loud denunciation of execution of the Amalekite Mohammed Abu Khdeir by a handful of real Jewish teens. “Where there are no men” indeed! We see from this that the ridiculous distinction between Bnei Amalek who have actually killed Jews and those who aid and abet them is in full force.

The appropriate Jewish response is to kill all the Moooslims in Eretz Israel. A less appropriate but, under the circumstances, perhaps necessary, response is to expel every one of them immediately. There is absolutely nothing that the US or the “international community” could do about either, given that Israel is a nuclear power with a triad.

But Israel’s elites will certainly not implement such a response. AND, Israel’s mass is passive and fragmented. There will be no “velvet revolution” in Israel.

So, Israel’s days are numbered. The Jews of Israel will have deserved their destruction.

skzion on July 9, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    SK, our days are not numbered. Well, maybe the secular godless government of Medinat Israel is. For sure we will come close and the devastation will be horrific but we will survive as a remnant and then Moshiach will come. As for the seculars being afraid of the charedi birth rate, maybe, but they are responding but having several themselves. I have been struck in the last few years by how many very secular women, including a lot of Russians, I see pushing dual strollers and trailing another couple of kids behind. They probably won’t have 12, but 4 isn’t all that unusual.

    Meira on July 9, 2014 at 4:19 pm

      Yes, Meira I believe Israel has many good ahead before the shifting of the tides. America is very hard to see now.

      Dakuan on July 9, 2014 at 5:15 pm

      “SK, our days are not numbered. Well, maybe the secular godless government of Medinat Israel is. For sure we will come close and the devastation will be horrific but we will survive as a remnant and then Moshiach will come.”

      What of the godless religious authorities?

      As I said above, there is no reason to believe that a single Jew in Israel will survive in the near term.

      skzion on July 9, 2014 at 5:34 pm

        “As I said above, there is no reason to believe that a single Jew in Israel will survive in the near term.”

        Unfortunately, skz is correct. Scriptural prophesies aside, even a conservative analysis of the state of Israel’s stance and islam’s encroachment bears this to be fact. It’s not “if” the NWO will tolerate islam’s inevitable use of nuclear arms on Israel, but rather “when.”

        DS_ROCKS! on July 9, 2014 at 7:09 pm

          You’ll be surprised what the NWO will and won’t tolerate. What it probably won’t tolerate is the continued existence of an American identity. And that is already what you see before your eyes. You’re first, not Israel.

          My personal advice to you DSR is to fight your own corner, that is all that remains to you now.

          Dakuan on July 9, 2014 at 8:17 pm

          @ DS ROCKS!: “….It’s not “if” the NWO will tolerate islam’s inevitable use of nuclear arms on Israel, but rather “when.” ”

          Sure. After all, the destruction of Israel (the IDF forbid!) would be welcome by world consensus as a satisfactory end to the “cycle of violence”.

          lee of the lower case "l" on July 9, 2014 at 9:23 pm

          DSR, you can’t put the Prophecies aside and the NWO is part and parcel of them.

          Dakuan/Frankz, I agree with some of your last several posts.

          HK, I actually agree with SKZ in part about the destruction of the Jews deserving it. NOT all. Daniel 12 says that those who remain faithful will be spared and actually achieve glory. Some of us do deserve destruction. And this has been true throughout our history.

          Meira on July 10, 2014 at 8:10 am

        Sk, the government is toast, either in this world or the one to come. I disagree that no single Jew will remain in Israel even if Moshiach doesn’t come in our lifetimes because the prophecies of the Restoration of the land to the Jews is clear on that. Never Again. And they don’t say we will get a righteous government. Actually, they say the opposite, which allows the Armilus ( antichrist to our non-Jewish readers) the opportunity to come in, make a false peace, establish a false temple sacrifice and then deceive us. Our righteous government will be the Messianic one and this isn’t the first time we’ve survived evil leaders, but it will be the last, only I”m not nearly as pessimistic about that as you are.

        Meira on July 10, 2014 at 8:01 am

    ” it’s not “international pressure” that’s responsible for such non-responses”
    It’s impossible to separate and anyway the most influential player on the international stage has always been the US.
    Thanks to the idiot Jews in America and I don’t use that term lightly the situation is much worse now than before.

    Dakuan on July 9, 2014 at 5:24 pm

      Dakuan, are you Frankz?

      It’s not impossible to separate “international pressure” or “US pressure” from other motives. Consider when Dayan gave control over the Temple Mount back to the Waqf after it was secured in ’67. Can this be “explained” by “international pressure”? France has been “pressured” since WW2. How has that worked out for the US? In fact, in an international system characterized by autarky (please look up), there are always pressures and cross-pressures.

      Are we to believe that only Israel must bow down? Is there a single nuclear power that does so?

      “Pressure” is not simply an independent variable (a cause); it is a dependent variable (a consequence). If you understand nothing else that I’ve written, “Dakuan,” understand this.

      skzion on July 9, 2014 at 5:43 pm

      Dakuan, one of my responses was swallowed up and Debbie apparently couldn’t restore it (bummer).

      ”it’s not “international pressure” that’s responsible for such non-responses”
      It’s impossible to separate

      No, it’s not impossible. We can review Israel’s behavior before anyone could the US (let alone the “international community”) had much clout over there. An instructive example would be Dayan’s ceding of the Temple Mount to the Waqf after it was captured in ’67. At that point, there was ZERO US “pressure” on Israel, and ZERO reason to believe that anyone coerced Israel to give away the Temple Mount. You see, at that point, the US did not have a pro-Israel (i.e., a pro-Israeli-Elite) foreign policy. That came later, under Nixon.

      In addition to longitudinal comparisons, we can make inter-country comparisons. France, for example, has been tangling with the US pretty much since the US was born. (Actually, French intellectuals loathed the territory of the US before there was a country.) How has France “resisted” America’s “pressure”? In fact, the only nuclear power that is supposedly so deferential to America’s wishes is The Jew of Nations, Israel.

      Insofar as this “pressure” is real (and I think it is almost entirely illusory), the key point about “pressure” is that it is both an independent variable (a cause) and a dependent variable (a consequence of prior behavior).

      Thanks to the idiot Jews in America and I don’t use that term lightly the situation is much worse now than before.

      Are you Frankz? This is utterly absurd. You seem to be making a partisan argument because Jews vote Democrat. But in fact, just like immigration, both parties are roughly in agreement about Israel, when push comes to shove. The manipulation of American Jews by Israeli elites is also key.

      skzion on July 9, 2014 at 8:12 pm

        Fact is Netanyahu is intimidated by Obama.
        Now you can take the position that this administration is essentially not much different to previous administrations in terms of hostility to Israel.
        I don’t think anybody really believes that except you and your more ideologically advanced moderate chums on the left(keep going you have no idea how much they’ll really love you when the chips are down).
        Alan Dershowitz for example made this idiotic mistake with Obama, fool that he is.

        That’s probably in large part why Obama is in office.
        It’s a terminal position and like a frog in rapidly warming water you’ve failed to notice that the water is too warm to escape now.
        Well, this idiotic tendency has become a litany now.

        Meira is exactly right about you whatever she thinks of me. You make bad mistakes.

        Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 7:35 am

          That was the “old Meira.”

          Dakuan/Frankz/etc, I know from past experience that you are impervious to argumentation. I will rely on others to assess the merits of my points.

          skzion on July 10, 2014 at 9:14 am

        Yes, I am who you think I am although somebody has stolen this name on occasion

        Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 7:40 am

          Your “argumentation” if I can call it that is really just a list of past events. Bull crap.
          I really do not have time and mood right now for it and anyway you have a “nice” habit of deciding when and when not to engage in argumentation, so spare me.
          I really don’t have the patience to de-construct your stuff right now.
          Believe me there are gaping holes but I leave it to those with common sense to find them on their own.

          Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 4:04 pm

          That wasn’t even the “old Meira,” SK, it was her evil twin who escaped the asylum briefly. We disagree but not all the time.

          Meira on July 11, 2014 at 4:28 am

        In the words of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s Pastor And Spiritual advisor “Not G-d Bless America but G-d damn America”.

        Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 9:57 am

SK……i agree with your assessment but, i dont agree that the Jews of israel will have deserved their destruction, some, but not all…the conundrum is that it still must remain viable as it is the only haven for any and all Jews

HK on July 9, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    Why would the Jews of Israel not have deserved their destruction? They are commanded to expel/kill the Mooooslims there, and they instead cultivate them. There is indeed collective responsibility in Judaism–both for Jews and for non-Jews.

    That the destruction of Israel would be inconvenient for Jews worldwide doesn’t mean that it is not deserved.

    skzion on July 9, 2014 at 5:50 pm

      SK…the destruction of Israel would be far more significant than being “inconvenient” for Jews

      HK on July 9, 2014 at 6:42 pm

        HK, I meant “inconvenient” ironically. How many times do the Jews of Israel have to be killed and the gubmint there ended before we get the idea that Hashem seems quite willing not to protect Jews?

        skzion on July 9, 2014 at 7:05 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t one thing different this time? I’m referring to the kidnapping and murder (by burning alive) of a teenage Palestinian male? When a state doesn’t protect their people, it leads to anarchy, and retaliation by the populace taking their own revenge.

Dale Zalaoras on July 9, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Dale, how can the righteous killing of that Fakestinian be of any significance to the situation given that this same type of situation has occurred repeatedly in Eretz Israel without any such killing by a Jew?

    In any event, a Fakestinian is *not* a part of the “Israeli people.”

    skzion on July 9, 2014 at 5:48 pm

      Because as usual you don’t get it Skzion.
      Apart from the appalling murder of this Palestinian which happens to be extremely convenient for Hamas what’s different is the mindset. The cohesive forces are shifting.

      Dakuan on July 9, 2014 at 8:25 pm

        Dakuan, a.k.a. Frankz, you are annoying me, as usual.

        skzion on July 9, 2014 at 8:33 pm

          Yeah well, I’ve gotten into a habit of annoying numb skulls over time.

          Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 7:13 am

          “I’ve gotten into a habit of annoying numb skulls”

          Frankz/Dakuan/passenger pigeon/etc. makes sure to offer an infantile insult. He does this to Debbie too. Then he complains bitterly about how he is treated and “drunk posts” all over here under different handles.

          Believe it or not, Frankz, I’ve said positive things about you before; that’s over.

          skzion on July 10, 2014 at 2:44 pm

          “Pseudonyms are because of those [filters] or simply being blocked outright”

          You have been “blocked outright” several times because of your bad behavior here. Rather than clean up your act or scram, you keep coming back and trying to game the system by proliferating handles, even when Debbie tells you in bold font not to do so.

          skzion on July 10, 2014 at 4:26 pm

        “the appalling murder of this Palestinian”

        Oh spare me. What was this execution not virtuous? I’ve already provided the Mishne Torah for support. Israel is not a Christian nation.

        skzion on July 9, 2014 at 8:35 pm

          Hah, yes I have been drunk posting of late. Reading you makes me remember why.
          Never complained about how I’m treated(your own insecurities bubbling to the surface again?).
          Complained about the damn filters. Pseudonyms are because of those or simply being blocked outright. If you haven’t figured that out yet then it explains much.
          Cheers to you.

          Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 3:55 pm

          “complains bitterly about how he is treated”
          Pfft, Even drunk I’m not as delusional as you on a bad day.

          Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 3:57 pm

        “Apart from the appalling murder of this Palestinian…”

        I think its beautiful. muslim children grow up to be muslim adults. They should all be wiped off the planet and their countries turned into parking lots as it’s clear that they will never be civilized or rational and are only satisfied by sustained death and oppression.

        DS_ROCKS! on July 10, 2014 at 12:11 am

Imagine if Canada or Mexico were firing rockets at Detroit, or El Paso every day. How long before the US Army, Navy, and Air Force crossed the border and “fixed” the problem?

Dale Zalaoras on July 9, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    Bad example Dale.
    If Canada dropped missiles on Detroit how would anybody be able to tell?
    The place already looks like a bombed out city.

    Steve G. on July 9, 2014 at 5:20 pm

“You can’t live with a poisonous snake. You have to kill it.”

Amen.

DS_ROCKS! on July 9, 2014 at 5:10 pm

I very rarely get into ‘hero worship’ like adulation, though feel compelled to make the comment that yourself and Mr. Martin Sherman…(a writer with the Jerusalem Post) are two people I admire deeply, for your collective and succinct understanding of all that is wrong…and right, with Israel. Best Wishes

Graham Coffey on July 9, 2014 at 5:30 pm

Maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but I think there’s an outside chance Israel will be more combative this time. Jordan is threatened, Egypt does not seem like it will give Israel serious trouble at least for now, Israel is facing threats from Iran, and knows Iran will evaluate Israel’s response to Hamas, and the Obama Presidency is somewhat weakened right now.

We will see.

Little Al on July 9, 2014 at 5:44 pm

Israel has been neutralizing the gazans ability to launch their oversized bottle rockets by decimating launch sites and infrastructure….hamas will be clamoring for a ceasefire within the next 48 hrs

HK on July 9, 2014 at 6:39 pm

aerial sorties are now going on in gaza…there will be important news tomorrow morning….the hamas dogs will be the ones fleeing with their tails between their legs

HK on July 9, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    HK, buddy, LOL!

    skzion on July 9, 2014 at 7:00 pm

      (cut myself off)

      LOL! Imagine how many abandoned fields are being blown up as we write!

      skzion on July 9, 2014 at 7:01 pm

        SK…they are not abandoned fields, but are areas of above ground launch sites and a mosaic of underground connecting tunnels used for storage of their Syrian made M-302 rockets

        HK on July 9, 2014 at 7:34 pm

          “areas of above ground launch sites”

          I.e., abandoned fields. Also, abandoned tunnels holding weapons.

          skzion on July 9, 2014 at 7:57 pm

      Yeaa, sitting here listening to sirens and booms, I agree, SK. Also they are no longer “bottle rockets.” They have increased range dramatically. EVeryone is blaming IRAN but you know what? I see the putrid claws of ISIS in these weapons. And Gaza is full of them. We need to target mosques, schools, and any other place they have them stored.

      Meira on July 10, 2014 at 8:14 am

        The non-bottle rockets are coming from Iran apparently. Iran now has plenty of room to manoeuvre thanks to Kerry.

        Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 9:43 am

        ISIS might have stolen the rockets from Iran but I personally doubt that.

        Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 9:46 am

        hamas rockets are meant to terrorize…not win wars…stay safe Meira but dont give the enemy satisfaction that you are afraid

        HK on July 10, 2014 at 5:17 pm

          Me afraid? You don’t know me very well, HK. I’ve got some Yemenite ancestry. We’re fierce. I don’t even have a shelter to go to, not even an inside hallway or stairwell. I don’t crouch in fear under palm trees with a gaggle of other silly geese, as shown in one video. I go outside and watch trajectories. If it’s not headed towards me or within a 50 meter circle, life goes on.

          Meira on July 11, 2014 at 4:33 am

Debbie, you are absolutely correct. As an RN, I know that when a part of the body has gangrene, ALL of the diseased tissue must be removed in order to allow healthy tissue to grow.
If any diseased tissue is left behind, the gangrene infects healthy tissue and the disease continues to spread.

The Islamic barbarians must be removed from Israel completely and PERMANENTLY.
To do less is national suicide.

Tired Nurse on July 9, 2014 at 6:51 pm

Its always funny to watch the arabs go crying to the UN security council, because the ONLY reason they do that is they are losing. Please Daddy, make it stop!

And of course the U.S. will tell Israel that they better abide by the SC Resolution which says Israel must stop. If the Israeli government had any balls, they’d tell the UN, US, and EU Jew-hating f–kers to shove it. But they won’t.

FriscoKid on July 9, 2014 at 7:21 pm

hamas dogs are lauding their use of civilian human shields…what loathsome animals they are

HK on July 9, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    But HK, if there were any believing Jew in Israel in high places, the “civilian human shields” would have no shielding power, as so-called “civilian status” would be irrelevant.

    Funny that the Torah-compliant approach would also be the practical approach: start killing them all.

    skzion on July 9, 2014 at 7:59 pm

yes, of course, kill them all…before they kill US all…way too much complacency

HK on July 9, 2014 at 9:03 pm

Debbie,
I get your point but do you really believe Israel will be conquered, destroyed and rebuilt as “Palestine?”

ColeslawPatriot on July 10, 2014 at 2:38 am

I wish Debbie weren’t right, and I don’t always agree with her, hardly, especially on film reviews that’s for sure. But yeah she appears spot on here. There are two problems re taking out HAMAS in Gaza. One is that it necessitates a ground invasion and staying in Gaza, and that would mean we would take casualties among our soldiers, and maybe lots of casualties. Also the whole world wants that we die, and would not tolerate us invading Gaza, or more to the point, staying in Gaza indefinitely, Obama would threaten us, cut off military supplies, the whole world will give its support in whatever way it could to HAMAS, etc. Truth is it is very very difficult to stand up to the whole Jew-hate world, and is easier said than done. Even though we need to do it, because we have nothing to lose, but the courage isn’t there. I don’t see it. A third problem is pervasive liberalism among Israeli Jews (as Debbie points out, rockets over TA is not going to change anything).

I was very pessimistic a year ago, and really the truth of the situation is even worse than I feared then.
Had to run for cover this morning, heard 6 booms overhead, the only comfort I take is that so did the idiot liberals, but it’s no real cause for comfort.

Larry in Tel Aviv on July 10, 2014 at 3:43 am

    Well, Larry, and all you whiny Yididshe mamas out there that’s what an army is for. To fight our battles for us and to take casualties but in doing so, saving civilians from suffering any. That’s just the way it is. We are massing on the border. Maybe a ground offensive and occupation will have some effect, as long as the mamas don’t use their tears to turn world opinion against us as a certain American grieving mother has done. I’m sure that wasn’t her intention, but it was the effect of her public pity party. She broadcast loudly and widely that Israelis are soft when it comes to our children and in doing so, she gave the enemy courage.
    I go to a Senior club twice a week. I’m probably the youngest one there. There’s a woman my age but she’s showing signs of Alzheimer’s already so mentally, I’m pretty much youngest. But there are a lot of Yemenite ladies and let me tell you they are tough! None of this boo hooing over sending troops on the ground. NO! They want WAR and to finish this once and for all. They understand the Arab mind. I”d like to put them in charge of the government. That would fix everything.

    Meira on July 10, 2014 at 8:23 am

    I really wish you were right but alas its just typical whiney little bitch talk. The US will never allow it and even if they did the pack of rabid dogs that control Israel would drag the rest of the world down with them into nuclear oblivion. Moan all you like if it eases your guilt Irael deserves all that it gets

    ceejay on July 11, 2014 at 6:32 am

to Larry’s point ” it is very very difficult to stand up to the whole Jew-hate world”…..yes, it sure is. and that is what fuels the continuous Israeli restraint and prevents them from doing what they should……wipe out there enemies.

HK on July 10, 2014 at 8:47 am

I can think of two best examples of superior armies exterminating urban areas with a hostile population

The Russians totally destryoed Grozny using long range artillery and them mopping up with tank columns in the second Chenchen War.

The best example is still the Wehrmacht operation against the Warsaw uprising in 1944. Talk about German efficiancy. Retreating from the Red Army and still had time to absolutely crush an uppity uprising

Israel military planners should emulate the Warsaw uprising operation

steveba on July 10, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Oh, it’s stevebaaaa, the anti-Semitic sheep. Nice try.

    skzion on July 10, 2014 at 8:58 am

IDF must measure their attacks,israel could totally destroy gaza, but, then, the world could and would levy international sanctions and embargoes that would harm and cripple the country…thats why targeted killing is the best way….and they’ve started by taking out islam jihadist rocket launch chief ayim hayim this morning

HK on July 10, 2014 at 9:08 am

    YOu know what, HK, THAT’S THE PROBLEM! We’re acting like ghetto Jews begging in front of the world but guess what? We need to go for broke right now, tonight and why? BECAUSE MISSILES ARE RAINING DOWN ON JERUSALEM AS I TYPE!!! And when one hits that Abomination on the Temple Mount, it’s World War Three. Think they aren’t aiming for it? Guess again. If they will make their sons martyrs, why not a building? They’ll blame us of course but wait for it.

    p.s. to SK, I got that intel from our old friend Liad.

    Meira on July 10, 2014 at 11:08 am

      I dont disagree with you.

      HK on July 10, 2014 at 11:22 am

      Oh, Liad, my least favorite “Orthodox” Jew. I see that Tel Aviv Larry is here now. He is my least favorite secular Jew. It’s quite the party.

      skzion on July 10, 2014 at 2:48 pm

        hail, hail the gang’s all here.

        Meira on July 11, 2014 at 4:35 am

unfortunately, the IDF must soon mount a ground attack

HK on July 10, 2014 at 9:12 am

Of course Debbie is spot-on, as usual. Bibi already walked it back from destroying Hamas’ military infrastructure to the weak goal of simply “stopping the missiles”. What about other attacks? What about destroying Hamas’ ABILITY to launch missiles, rather than just making them temporarily cease. Putting Israeli boys in harm’s way for such a hazy, weak goal sounds a lot like one other feckless Western leader I see every day on my TV. Time for real, Jewish leadership in Israel! Time for Feiglin!

phillip slepian on July 10, 2014 at 9:42 am

From my viewpoint, after working 30 years for the Isralies in the USA, there is only one basic problem in Israel. Its the gradual growth of bleeding heart Liberalism just like the same problem in the USA.

Larry Schneider on July 10, 2014 at 9:43 am

They launch rockets, hide behind the skirts of women THEN claim victory? Kill every last one of them. FTW.

Canadian Steve on July 10, 2014 at 10:03 am

Just mentioning the two best modern examples, in my opinion, of operations against an urban population by superior armies.

The Russian method is more safe in minimizing casualties of your troops. Artillery is more cost effective in build-up urban areas compared to air power.

I am sure that the IDF can do a better job of flattening urban areas of Gaza than the Syrian Army in levelling Aleppo

steveba on July 10, 2014 at 10:34 am

Dear Debbie,Hi Every Word you wrote is absolutelly The Reall Reality.I have so much to say,and one day I will.Today I would Like to say One of the most Honoroble Man That I Saw last Night on TV Is Honoroble President of Israel (Shimon Peres)He has Class,he is caring,He speaks with a great heart,a true and Very Nice leader.Israel and its Citizens and leaders are in our thoughts and Prayers.One day will come,The day will come that all those civilized countrys in this world who did not help Israel Fight the Very Bad Guys,will Shed Tears…..and will regret it very much so……..

TIRDAD GHARIB on July 10, 2014 at 10:42 am

    TIRDAD, Peres is a scum. But if you didn’t know that he would come across as what you describe.

    skzion on July 10, 2014 at 2:47 pm

In case any of you don’t read some or the replies, I just posted to HK that JERUSALEM IS UNDER FIRE AS I TYPE. They are for sure hoping to hit the Big Blue Abomination on the Temple Mount to spark a wider conflict.

Meira on July 10, 2014 at 11:10 am

    The Israelis need to fight to win, because the US will never, ever save Israel if Israel’s back is against the wall. In 1973 Nixon did send Israel much needed military supplies, against Henry Kissingrear’s opposition.

    Now, America most likely would not send Israel weaponry in an emergency? And use the US Navy or Air Force to save Israel? It will never happen.

    So, the Israelis must fight as if they are alone in the world because they are. Even the American Jews can’t be counted on to support Israel, because all too many worship at the altar of liberalism instead of G-d. College age Jews, raised by assimilated asswipes, are too busy worrying about their Muslim boyfriends and girlfriends to care about Israel. Sad but true. These Jews will soon learn that their liberal friends will turn on them soon enough.

    That said, Israel still has the support of those of us who refuse to bend before the altar of Baal or Obama, and many Christians and conservative/orthodox Jews support Israel.

    Jonathan E. Grant on July 10, 2014 at 3:44 pm

hopefully the missiles will fall on their own people

HK on July 10, 2014 at 11:31 am

HK a Hamas missile just landed on a Arab village near Jerusalem.

It’s worth pointing out something that is way too little mentioned, we are still providing electricity and water and food and medicine to Gaza!! We should have stopped doing this years ago. No country in the world, in the universe would do this kind of thing re a neighboring territory that is in perpetual war with it, dedicated to its destruction and launching wave after wave of terror attack against it. They have tried to hit our nuclear reactor!

Imagine the Allies or American Jewish organizations during WW2 providing food, medicine, coal to Nazi Germany? Madness? Sure. But with Jews, madness is normal. A country with such a mentality cannot survive, we are as crazy as American Jews.

This kind of scandal should be front page news, but it isn’t.

Larry in Tel Aviv on July 10, 2014 at 12:18 pm

yes, I know, and the IDF have told 100,000 gazans to move west and south of the gaza-israel border…if theyre going to do that, then this time make that area into a parking lot….and stop the food, electricity, gasoline, medicines to them….wars are meant to be won, not show how humantarian you can be to your sworn enemy…

HK on July 10, 2014 at 12:35 pm

For some reason, some here still talk about pressure (including sanctions) from the “international community” as the reason why the Israeli military hasn’t already removed the Moooslim infection. I don’t expect any better from Tel Aviv Larry, who is best ignored, or Dakuan/Frankz. But when HK backslides, I take notice:

IDF must measure their attacks,israel could totally destroy gaza, but, then, the world could and would levy international sanctions and embargoes that would harm and cripple the country…thats why targeted killing is the best way…

Here is what I said above on this thread:

Insofar as this “pressure” is real (and I think it is almost entirely illusory), the key point about “pressure” is that it is both an independent variable (a cause) and a dependent variable (a consequence of prior behavior).

There are two possible (simplified) equations involving “pressure,” both of which could be valid simultaneously:

[1] Israeli_Passivity_t = A + B1*Pressure_t + …

[2] Pressure = A + B1*Israeli_Passivity_t-1 + B2*Israeli_Passivity_t-2 + … Bk*Israeli_Passivity_t-k + …

HK and everyone else who talks about “pressure” inclines toward [1], meaning that as Pressure goes up, Israeli_Passivity also goes up. “B1” is the amount of effect a one-unit increase of Pressure at time “t” has on Israeli_Passivity. But I think that, insofar as “pressure” is not merely illusory, [2] is the dominant equation. In other words, I think that Pressure is a natural outcome of prior Israeli_Passivity. This is pressure is largely opportunistic. Given that countries have different interests, there is generally some reason to apply pressure. This is done unless the attempt at pressure would be costly. But Israel, being the Jew of Nations, never exacts a cost.

I will also address HK’s particular scenarios. Sanctions are not to be taken seriously when a country can enact countermeasures. Israeli supplies huge amounts of intelligence to the US in particular. It has deep ties int he development and testing of weaponry. I would be ASTOUNDED if there were not a secret US military base in Israel proper. Israel is also a nuclear power with a triad. In other words, Israel is not Serbia. Take a look at what China is up to in the past 10 years especially. Look at Russia’s actions in Ukraine and Georgia. Somehow, the outrageous, if done by a country with the resources and purpose, is regularly tolerated.

I also want to be clear: no sanctions can have any force if the US doesn’t join in. The US will, no doubt, start to get loud if Israeli rapidly pushes every Mooooslim from Gaza, but there is nothing serious that the US could do about it. Furthermore, Israel could easily develop military relations with both China and Russia and ally with them. The threat of this alone would be enormously persuasive. Israel could credibly threaten to destroy the oil fields of Arabia or Iraq by remote control, which again would be far worse than anything Pakistan or North Korea could do. Then there’s the fact that both parties at the grassroot level would be sympathetic to the Israeli cause. Yes, certain Israeli journalists and academicians would have to be preemptively imprisoned (and one hopes that they have terrible accidents while behind bars), but without them, there will be no material within-Israeli dissension.

I’d be happy to address any criticisms of my analysis here. If there are none, I’d appreciate those regulars with functioning brains to stop with the “pressure made them do it” business.

skzion on July 10, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    I won’t get into your cute formulas Skzion as appealing as that is.
    I’ll simply say that UN sanctions and pressure are not imaginary.
    Kerry has already made it clear that if Israel doesn’t stop looking like an Apartheid state in his eyes then he’ll be unable to argue the point to the UN.
    What do you hear on here about that? Nothing.
    Why? Well nobody in Bush administration did Hamas the favour of proclaiming that Israel was Apartheid state trending.
    I’m just waiting the Michelle Obama #EndIsraelAparthied twitter tag.

    Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 4:16 pm

      So, as expected, Dakuan/Frankz just repeats himself and blusters, across multiple responses.

      As the late Herbert Simon pointed out, there are sometimes great benefits from mathematizing phenomena. I have done so to clarify the discussion. If anyone has a challenge to what I actually have written, I’m happy to discuss it.

      skzion on July 10, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    And believe me typos aside there’s way more I could go into.

    Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    That’s why you space cadets are lost. Obama made toast of you and you want to console yourselves by pretending you’re clever by noticing that his policies are an extension of what went before him.

    Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    The best thing Israel can do is hit the eject button. The rest of the world already has if they have any sense.

    Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 4:27 pm

I’d also add that there is no reason whatsoever for a ground assault unless that comes AFTER most Moooooslims have been killed or have fled. I think it’s a terrible idea to waste Jewish lives only to make Gaza secure for Mooooslims. Artillery alone could do most of what needs to be done. As the point is to depopulate Gaza, there is little downside.

skzion on July 10, 2014 at 3:30 pm

SK…quite an iconic post…I think you have too many variables and not enough equations….what does A equal?…I think we’re missing a constant….definitely passivity and pressure are direct correlations…then (passivity + pressure) X (islamic atrocities)= targeted killing…..I totally agree with you SK, 100%…I think…maybe

HK on July 10, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    “SK…quite an iconic post…”

    IKR? You’ve Debbie – a certified genius – and the best and brightest minds on the Internet who hang out here proving undeniably that high IQ coupled with intellectual honesty equals staunch conservatism.

    It’s a pure delight watching the pseudo-intellectuals (and the dolts who lack the capacity to recognize their better’s superiority)try to match wits with them. Like hunting rats with a bazooka.

    DS_ROCKS! on July 10, 2014 at 6:24 pm

      I’m talking MENSA DSR.
      Your only problem is that a huge amount of MENSA candidates have been staunch Marxists. There is little question that the systematized mode of thought holds strong appeal for MENSA candidates historically. Historically speaking though this has been a disaster. A Marxist disaster. It will continue to be so 😛

      Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 8:59 pm

        “Your only problem is that a huge amount of MENSA candidates have been staunch Marxists.”

        I know – that’s why I said “intellectually honest” ones. Being smart doesn’t exclude one from the same occurrence in the general polulation of being a coward and.or a sheep-like follower.

        DS_ROCKS! on July 10, 2014 at 9:52 pm

          DSR, Dakuan/Frankz/stoolpigeon has nothing intelligent to say to counter any of my arguments. He can’t understand them even when I make them with perfect clarity. He also can’t understand Debbie. Somehow he thinks that the rigidity of his thinking makes him wise. He also confuses “a systematized mode of thought” with rigid, ideological, propagandistic thinking. Tell that to any number of unquesionably brilliant conservative thinkers.

          Anyway, enough of the personal stuff. The ideas and the evidence are what count.

          skzion on July 10, 2014 at 11:15 pm

          Right on, DSR, that’s why I quit MENSA, there was no intellectual honesty. It was all posturing. They couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag.

          Meira on July 11, 2014 at 4:38 am

      “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.” – Bertrand Russell
      Not!

      Take a look into his life sometime

      Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 9:03 pm

        Poor Dakuan/Frankz doesn’t know that Russell was a socialist.

        skzion on July 10, 2014 at 10:48 pm

        Dakuan doesn’t seem to know that Russell was a socialist and was thinking of people like … Dakuan. Lol.

        skzion on July 13, 2014 at 9:41 am

    “SK…quite an iconic post…I think you have too many variables and not enough equations….what does A equal?…I think we’re missing a constant….”

    Actually, these are simplified linear regression equations. A single equation can have any number of variables, providing that the sample size is great enough. “A” is the constant. The Bs are coefficients on the variables. To be precise, each B is a partial derivative showing the effect on the dependent (left-hand-side) variable of a one-unit increase in the corresponding independent variable (right-hand-side) controlling for all other variables in the equation.

    I’m not sure I’ve been quite clear as to my aim. I wanted to debunk the idea that Israel is passive BECAUSE of pressure. It’s the direction of causation between passivity and pressure that is at issue, NOT the correlation itself. I’m saying that if the “pressure” business is real (as opposed to being used as a smokescreen to hide what Israeli elites want to do anyway), pressure can be seen not as a cause of passivity but as a consequence of it. Israel would therefore be “pressured” to be passive because previous passivity has shown that the use of pressure is a viable tactic. That’s why we have “previous times” (t-1), (t-2), etc. in equation [2].

    Now in truth, if we take “pressure” business seriously, we would probably want to model both equations simultaneously (similar to supply and demand in economic models, the classic example of bi-directional causality). In other words, past past passivity increases the pressure that in turn increases passivity further. As I think the “pressure” business is bogus, though, I’m not emphasizing bi-directionality.

    skzion on July 10, 2014 at 7:33 pm

      zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

      Dakuan on July 10, 2014 at 9:33 pm

      yes, I do understand your thesis that pressure can be a consequence of passivity and I agree. oy veys meer, SK, I understand and I agree with you.

      HK on July 10, 2014 at 9:50 pm

        Then I have succeeded at least in your case, HK.

        skzion on July 10, 2014 at 10:50 pm

This is a brilliant speech from Israel’s UN Ambassador The truth – easy, simple, clear….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XCbyCQlczLc

NancyB on July 10, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Politicians speak the truth when it’s expedient. None of them does so sincerely nor do they follow thru on the promises they make.

    Meira on July 11, 2014 at 4:40 am

At the risk of overstaying my welcome on this thread, I’ll supply a couple of take-home messages.

(1) If one believes–as I do–that “pressure” is a fraudulent excuse used by Israeli elites to do what they want to do already, the take-home message is to declare, openly, that the reason Israeli is the Jew of Nations is because its political system insulates the elite stratum from popular control and gives it interests that have little to do with those of the mass, at least in foreign policy. A comparable issue in the US would be immigration policy.

(2) If one believes that “pressure” is a real consideration, the take-home message is that the only way to reduce pressure is not to kowtow to it. This is done by applying countermeasures (counter-pressure). The issue then is how intense the countermeasures should be over a given period of time. THAT depends on how the current situation (e.g., the Mooooslim rockets on Israel) can be spun and what one’s means are. Thus, for example, Serbia, which was not a nuclear power, utterly refused to kowtow. Alas, it did so in one major public movement to displace the Amalekites of Kosovo. It was also unfortunate to have an ally (Russia) that wasn’t the USSR of old or the Russia of today. Israel, by contrast, should easily be able to capitalize in the propaganda war regarding the seriousness of its situation. It also has a land, air, and sea-based nuclear capability, which means that it cannot plausibly be threatened militarily. It has many potential allies, including countries that are enemies of America. It has all sorts of leverage. So, I think it could certainly expel every Mooooslim in Gaza. This would be only the first step, though. The next would be to expel the other Mooooslims in Eretz Israel.

skzion on July 10, 2014 at 8:58 pm

Iron Dome

Dakuan on July 11, 2014 at 9:37 am

Left is beginning its attack.
The left understands the importance of Iron Dome as far as morale is concerned so the termites begin to burrow.

Iron Dome may have failings but that’s not why this is a story.

Dakuan on July 11, 2014 at 9:38 am

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