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December 19, 2013, - 2:00 pm

Gay TMZ Host/Owner Harvey Levin Defends Phil Robertson, Attacks A&E as “So Dishonest”

By Debbie Schlussel

Well, not everybody in the gay community is calling for Phil Robertson’s execution. Harvey Levin, the gay host/owner/producer of TMZ (who is also Jewish and a lawyer), is very upset at A&E’s suspension of Robertson from “Duck Dynasty” and makes some of the same points I did earlier today. Check out what he just tweeted on Twitter (follow me on twitter)

Read Levin’s tweets defending Robertson, below. . .

Tags: A&E, Duck Dynasty, gays, Harvey Levin, homosexuality, Phil Robertson, TMZ

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Harvey Levin is quite correct. A & E knew what it was getting into when it signed up the Robertsons. One of the main claims that reality based television is that it does not do a lot of varnishing over of rough spots. If one removes that element entirely, you are left with bad actors struggling to keep a tedious plot alive.

Worry01 on December 19, 2013 at 2:24 pm

It is thrilling to know that GLAAD now dictates what we can and cannot watch on television: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TV_DUCK_DYNASTY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

worry01 on December 19, 2013 at 2:52 pm

The Purple Lavender Mafia is almost as bad as Islamic terrorists.

They’re that intolerant of Christians. For them its an in-your-face thing. They don’t want to accept that others have the right to their views.

If you don’t agree with them, you’re a bigot! That’s where we are today in America.

You aren’t allowed to hurt the feelings of the politically correct but hey, every one is else is fair game!

No wonder the Duck Dynasty is under siege.

NormanF on December 19, 2013 at 3:07 pm

not a fan of Harvey Levin or TMZ, but he’s absolutely correct in his analysis…

Phil Robertson’s opinions are based in his religious beliefs, just like muslim jihadists belief that all infidels who don’t convert to islam must be killed..

i don’t see A&E complaining about that…

ghettotrashracistnegro on December 19, 2013 at 3:28 pm

He might of been a homophobe prior to being hired by A&E But it wasn’t widely known, Unless you’re a fan of the show and searched old videos you wouldn’t know know any better.

But GQ magazine is a globally recognized magazine, that has a Large Gay fan Base, He should of known the kinda of “Platform” he was conducting his interview with, and adjusted his comments according.

Stanley on December 19, 2013 at 3:37 pm

You mean lie.

worry01 on December 19, 2013 at 5:05 pm

You know what DS, for the last 12-18 hours, I’ve been debating with some Christian-Right Wingers on this issue on Mr. Robertson’s silly comments about homosexuality and women’s reproductive system, etc., lookit, I, Ms. Schlussel and everyone on this blog believes and champions for freedom of speech and freedom of expression, etc., I’ll quote the late “Voltaire”: “Even though I may disagree what you’re saying, but I’ll fight to the death your right to speak your mind”, nevertheless, I don’t agree with one thing PR allegedly had said, BUT and however, he has his right(s) to speak his mindset, regardless how tasteless and uncomfortable it is.

Also, Mr. Robertson’s speech is apart of “protected speech” under the 1st Amendment, just as pornography is apart of protected speech as well, and we here in the US don’t need any sort of collectivist regulations on the 1st Amendment where the government starts to implement laws on what we’re saying and so on.

And finally, I’ve been educating myself on studies of homosexuality, believe it or not, its “natural” according to numerous scientific studies those in the science-community, its found that homosexuality is natural biological orientation found in all species and organisms as a means to prevent overpopulation globally. It maybe a sin according to religious institutions, because mankind implemented that in religious doctrines when they were creating religions thousands of years ago. Also, I would like to point that, that’s also been studied and researched that in the animal kingdom, animals engage in such behaviors with other animals, etc.!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on December 19, 2013 at 3:37 pm

I knew people who in elementary school were, for lack of a better word, sissies. (In the 1960’s, sex wasn’t as overt and we elementary school kids did not know about gays, the intricacies of sex, etc.). These two people in particular had finer features, acted, well, effeminate, and overall were “pansies.” These two people later died of AIDS.

I realize that these two people were homosexuals. They were that way from the day they were born, and could not help being who they were. It is biological.

Having said that, I believe that the First Amendment is more important than political correctness. People are guaranteed their freedom of speech and their freedom of religion, just as much as gays have the right to their freedoms.

Jonathan E. Grant on December 19, 2013 at 4:12 pm

Jon,

I just sent Debbie an e-mail about gay Muslims.

As is always the case, there is a big loophole in Islam where you can have your cake and eat it, too.

Then again, they are hypocrites! But for some reason their “modesty” always gets respect from those critical of religious Jews and Christians.

What I mean is the secular Left is also filled with as many hypocrites as Islam.

NormanF on December 19, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Than how is it in the case of identical twins that one is gay and one isn’t? Isn’t it possible that some homosexuals are just in fact perverts?

Mark on December 20, 2013 at 10:54 am

Update from the NY Daily News: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/phil-robertson-black-people-mistreated-south-article-1.1553071

Whether you agree or not, the guy’s an idiot. Who says such a thing and to what purpose? I guess being the son of Black college professors but being denied access to the Atlanta main library isn’t mistreatment.

There’s some truth in what he says about farming together. It’s not quite the picture we were sold up North but once everyone left those fields, there was no equality and while some whites were sympathetic, very few if any did anything about it. Everyone was scrabbling to survive, however, I guess living on the “white side of town” even if it was in a trailer park, Mr. Robertson didn’t see the sorts of abuse that went on “after hours.”

Meira on December 19, 2013 at 5:32 pm

Not every part of the South was the same, and not every experience is the same. In much of the rural south, blacks and whites worked together and mixed, particularly those who were poor and in the rural area.

You mentioned Atlanta; Robertson came from Louisiana which always had a hazier view of racial discrimination. Huey Long provided more services for black people than any Northern politician of that time, save for Mayor LaGuardia.

It is regrettable you were prevented from using a Library supposedly because you were black, but that was not the entire town.

I come from Maryland and when I was young, parts of Maryland were segregated, while other parts were not. Period. Sometimes, life is not, excuse the expression, “black and white.”

Jonathan E. Grant on December 19, 2013 at 5:48 pm

Not me, Jon, a Black man I knew years ago told me that facet of life. I do agree that the rural South was better but not as rosy as Robertson paints it.

I come from NJ and I can say that there was more discrimination there than I saw in the South. A White person in Atlanta also told me that they learned to deal with the end of segregation and most people were fine with it. I’m olive skinned and when tan I’m pretty dark but I could go to public places with my Black friend above and no one would bat an eye.

Meira on December 20, 2013 at 3:55 am

I should have written, “that was not the entire South.”

Jonathan E. Grant on December 19, 2013 at 5:51 pm

Camille Paglia and a gay writer for Time have come out in support of the rights of the Robertsons and are opposing the treatment of Phil Robertson by A&E.

Jonathan E. Grant on December 19, 2013 at 7:38 pm

People have the right to their opinion, but freedom of speech goes both ways. He can spew out hatred to his heart’s content, but we, gays and non-gays, can strike back.

Last I checked, he still has freedom of speech, he is not in legal trouble of any kind. A&E is a private establishment and so can hire and fire whomever they please if they deem it hurtful to their ratings.

I’m not trying to silent him. I don’t know anyone who does. He is not coerced into silence, and if his contract forbids him from making these statements, as many companies already do, he would have signed that contract willfully without coercion.

Then again, he is so not good looking and so his opinion, to me at least, is inconsequential and he is joining ranks of the hateful ancient men facing extinction anyway so this is all temporary 😀

Titanic Dude on December 20, 2013 at 8:43 am

“Then again, he is so not good looking and so his opinion, to me at least, is inconsequential and he is joining ranks of the hateful ancient men facing extinction anyway so this is all temporary :D” -Titanic (I’ll bet) Dude

You have no right to free speech on a private forum, though you are tolerated here. Frankly, though, I wish you’d vamoose because you’re a superficial, unfunny queen.

skzion on December 20, 2013 at 2:35 pm

To silence*

Typo.

Titanic Dude on December 20, 2013 at 8:45 am

@ Titanic Dude:

How is expressing one’s beliefs “hatred?” Are the gays who bash “breeders” heterophobes? Or is that “different?”

Cicero's Ghost (NB) on December 20, 2013 at 9:13 am

Cicero’s Ghost, let me explain about the moronic Titanic (I’ll bet) Dude. Because gay people have been treated shittily for so long, the gay left thinks that this justifies treating straights (and Christians) shittily NOW. Typically, the retaliation is against those who, individually, had little or nothing to do with the original offenses. Furthermore, the gay libtards assert that gay bigotry is inconsequential because gays lack the power. For the power argument to work, one must treat society as homogenous (where straight power is equal everywhere). In fact, though, society is not homogenous, and in certain important sectors, gays have very considerable power. One of these sectors is entertainment. Another, though, is education and media, and THOSE sectors have great importance indeed.

skzion on December 20, 2013 at 2:45 pm

Exactly, CG, ANYTHING that’s different from the politically correct viewpoint can now, and for a while now in America, be viewed as “hate speech” and “fear mongering.” I remember well when all of this was being taught during the 80’s. It stemmed out of the 60’s generation’s desire for more “tolerance” and “inclusion.” It has instead blossomed in to a kind of . . .

hmmmmmmmmmmm, . . .

attitude of . . .

‘national socialism.’

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 20, 2013 at 9:20 am

Question for those who invoke the “political correctness” card: are you offended by the idea of two men kissing?

Titanic Dude on December 20, 2013 at 10:31 am

Don’t pull that card on me. I have to go now, but I don’t need to defend myself about how I have treated gays in my life, particularly gay men. I have been around, in very close quarters, physically, with more gay men than many other gay men have been. I love my gay friends as much as my straight friends, and yes, I have gay friends, who know plenty about how much I know about being gay, and the at large gay community in the United States and the world.

Better fold your hand if you’re going to play that card with me. I’m old. I was around when Stonewall happened, and I was in gyms a few years later. I could give classes on “gay.” Shuffle that deck and try again.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 20, 2013 at 10:38 am

You didn’t answer my question and it wasn’t directed at you *only*.

The question is for those who use the “political correctness” card all the time (a la “race card”) and claim that society is wimpy and too “sensitive”: Are you offended by the display of two men kissing?

Titanic Dude on December 20, 2013 at 10:41 am

You’re totally lame, Titanic Creep. I reject your retarded premise. Is that the best you can do? How sad.

Most ‘fag-hags’ don’t like to see 2 guys kissing. Those same pro-gay gals ALSO don’t like to see PDA’s of heteros either. DS clearly stated that in her column. Comprehend much?

2 guys (or any two people) kissing is not anything most people like to see unless they are wacky, inappropriate perverts. Just because you’re a classless pervert does not make your dumb premise an example of “political correctness”. FAIL. (And a miserable one…)

Skunky on December 20, 2013 at 11:38 am

“You didn’t answer my question and it wasn’t directed at you *only*.”

-The superficial, unfunny queen who calls himself Titanic Dude

Alfredo did indeed answer your question. You just didn’t like the answer. I personally rather like (very limited) public man-to-man affection. Hand holding, a brief kiss, that sort of thing. I’m also not very sympathetic to Robertson’s annoying comments. But yes, TD, firing Robertson for being briefly annoying during an interview that was approved by A&E–an interview where he was sure to be goaded on sex stuff–was waaaaay PC. In comparison, you would never approve of some Christian firing gays (which can be done in much of the country) because this Christian didn’t approve of homosexuality.

skzion on December 20, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Well, just for fun, why don’t I get SPECIFIC then? Now that I’m back and have NOTHING better to do with my life than play Bowling For Trolls, let me throw the first ball(s).

The Ice Palace, a big gay club on West 57th St., back in the year 534 B.C. Actually, this was around 1981. My second wife, a fag hag (her words, not mine) from way back, knew one of the waiters there. It was a gay disco. We went with some friends. She was one of only, uhhhhhh, she MAY have been the ONLY woman there, LOL!!!

The place was PACKED, like ice cream kind of packed. No less than 400-500 men. We were all seated at a table near the western portion of the place, right off the dance floor. Within FEET, at times INCHES of me, ALMOST ALL the men in the place spent MOST of the time we were there, dancing, feeling each other up, and making out with each other. This preceded my getting deeply involved with the Bible, which began at 3:04 a.m., September 10, 1984. I wasn’t offended then, and I’m not offended now.

And there was Mid City Gym, once hailed as the best gym east of the Mississippi, home to Arnold and Co., whenever those guys would hit New York, which is how I got to be around him, infrequently but regularly from 1973-1983.

In Mid City Gym, you had guys from all walks of life, subway workers, attorneys, cops, mobsters, construction workers, office workers of all types, postal employees, top professional wrestlers, doctors, actors, producers, etc., name it.

Well, I developed an excellent camaraderie with the bulk of the guys who were in the “after work” crowd, and some who were regulars at other hours. Many were gay, and almost all the bodybuilders hustled, all the while denying they were gay, and just did it for the money. Almost all of those regular members died during the early 80’s AIDS epidemic (or “academic” as Magic’s Johnson once referred to it).

SO, here we are in the locker room on a regular basis, rows and rows of lockers, NAKED MEN all around, within feet or even inches of each other. Now, because I was one of the better built guys and up and coming bodybuilders in the gym, I used to get a lot of looks, . . .

and comments. That’s right, gay men, inches from me, dressing and undressing, coming from work or leaving the gym, telling me what they would do with me if they ever got a chance with me. And us (meaning me, too) laughing our heads off about it, and NO ONE getting offended or put off. That’s the kind of place Mid City Gym was, with few exception. Yes, there were people who had problems with each other, but it was personality based, there were some real head cases there.

And EVEN STRAIGHT GUYS, coming up to me when I would be laid out on the abdominal board between sets of situps, with my huge and extremely well shaped thighs sticking out of very short gym shorts, telling me what THEY would do with me if I were a woman. “You lucky you not a woman, I’m serious.” You’d have to see my thighs when they were fully developed, or perhaps even now, to understand. It’s the curvature. They weren’t just big, they were extremely well shaped. It’s genetic, nothing to brag about, but I’ve got an ass and thighs that, well, . . .

you get the point.

There was no offense, we were all too busy GETTING ALONG for the sake of society, to be offended. That’s why I used to get very angry when the media in the 80’s used to refer to the 70’s as The Me Generation, and make fun of everything from the hair styles to clothing, to the color of furniture and paint used on walls of homes and apartments. It took the 80’s, 90’s and then some for people to realize how great the 70’s were.

And the BEST part about the 70’s was the way we GOT ALONG. And NO ONE minced words about ANYTHING. There were black jokes, white jokes, people snapping on each other left and right, but we got along just fine, straight, gay, freak, whatever.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 20, 2013 at 6:06 pm

Contrived, Southern, chicken fried, faux drama. I’ve never watched it. Just another attention getting ploy to get us all riled up and blowing our duck calls and compulsively buying more Christmas gifts. Yeah, yeah, I know, a “reality” show wouldn’t do that, would they? He’ll be reinstated before you can say “quack”.

Pray Hard on December 20, 2013 at 10:44 am

Hey, if I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

I’m going to invent a Muslim call.

Pray Hard on December 20, 2013 at 10:48 am

Poor “white trash” were treated in some cases equally as bad and sometimes worse than slaves depending on who the worked for. Some plantation owners were appalled when they visited the north and saw the conditions that poor “white trash” lived in and said their slaves lived in better conditions. That’s not to say most slaves were treated well, because they weren’t, but some did in fact have a much better standard of living, and continued to do so until the end of the civil rights movement.

Mark on December 20, 2013 at 11:15 am

An appropriate cite for Mark’s post is Cannibals All!: Slaves Without Masters by George Fitzhugh.

skzion on December 20, 2013 at 2:50 pm

Why do you reject my premise? Is it fallacious in any way? Please explain how, if it is. Or do you win a debate by simply rejecting a premise?

Let me clarify it: I said kissing, not Frenching/making out. I know PDA is distasteful. But I *did* mean kissing on the mouth, as in when man kisses his partner when greeting or when leaving.

Second, tons of heterosexual men, including those who cry “PC GONE MAD!!111” at every turn will be offended by the display of any man-and-man intimacy, crying foul and saying how it’s disgusting and “unnatural” but will swoon over two girls making out.

I’m just saying, if someone vituperates against “political correctness” and how people should stop being “so [synonym for fornicating]* sensitive” then they’d be hypocrites for saying they are offended by gays.

* I avoid the use of the “F” word because I find it distasteful but I’m not offended by it. People might see this as being PC. Me? I see it as being respectful and considerate, but that’s just me.

Titanic Dude on December 20, 2013 at 11:54 am

TD, I have already addressed your points.

skzion on December 20, 2013 at 3:10 pm

Aw, the PC bore who thinks public PDA is “political incorrectness” doesn’t like the word ‘fag’. How PC can you get? In UK and Australia it’s just slang for a smoke and I like it in that vain.

I have heard more gay men sling that word around than straights BTW. I never really use it unless with ‘hag’ and I’ll call an evil gay that name, gladly. Other than that I don’t like to use it but not ‘cuz I am PC but I don’t think of most gays that way.

Your premise is rejected because it’s stupid. Just like you.

Skunky on December 20, 2013 at 6:30 pm

My question is why does the network have to act at all ??
In my opinion he (and Alec Baldwin for that matter) have the right to say whatever they wish. The viewers of the show then have the power to either watch or not. If they don’t, then the show will go off the air due to poor ratings.

PC is an insidious thing because it is really “groupthink”. No one is allowed to think or speak outside of what is PC otherwise you will be retaliated against. And folks, losing one’s livelihood is absolutely retaliation.

I like Debbie am a sexual libertarian–what you do in your bedroom and with who is strictly your business. But I deeply resent anyone pushing their agenda down my throat.
I’m SICK of hearing about the gays and their “rights”. I’m sick that they can viciously attack Christians and Orthodox Jews and not a peep is said but if religious people state their beliefs, they are haters and bigots.
EVERYONE has a right to their opinion and there is no right to not be offended !!!

jimmyPx on December 20, 2013 at 12:30 pm

“Alec Baldwin for that matter”

No, here I have to disagree with you, jimmyPx. The libtard Baldwin should NOT be allowed to get away with nasty homophobia directed toward an individual. Libtards must be held accountable to their own proclaimed libtardish standards–the ones they impose on others.

skzion on December 20, 2013 at 2:53 pm

why did A&E have to act at all???? I mean if you are offended you can choose to not watch right? are you uneducated???? Thats EXACTLY why A&E had to respond because if you alienated an entire group from the product your company is selling….they have a right to act and should act. This isnt about being offended or free speech….its about business. get that straight.

chris on June 11, 2014 at 5:07 pm

Phil Robertson deserves a medal just for speaking his mind.
Who does that?
Phil Robertson, that’s who.
Legend.
It’s the kind of thing you’d want to say even if you didn’t believe it just to get a rise out of people.
Sure Phil doesn’t do that though.

I sincerely doubt most of those who are running around outraged actually believe in the “kingdom of heaven” anyway so what are they really getting riled about?

Of course if they did believe in it then you’d have to ask how they came to know anything about it? Well unless it’s just some story that got passed on to them personally most would probably have to refer to the same source as Phil.
Nobody is supposed to have the bad taste to remind them of that so that it can lapse into a kind of general collective amnesia I guess.
Sorry, have to call BS on that. Pathetic but mainly stupid.

The pink village thought police say there’s a new conformity out there and people like Phil need to “get in line”.
Something tells me the guy that said that on CNN is the kind of guy that always liked waiting in lines.

I know some gays think they’re flexing their abs here but really this kind of stuff just makes them about as popular as the IRS.

Frankz on December 20, 2013 at 2:44 pm

Hey Titanic Dude, I’ve posed a question to you on the most recent blog re: Basil Mohandie. Waiting for a response.

skzion on December 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm

Titanic Dude or Old Wreck? I do suspect the latter.

worry01 on December 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm

I think Cracker Barrel has forgotten who its customers are: http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/21/duck-dynasty-cracker-barrel-phil-robertson-boycott/

worry01 on December 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm

It is pretty obvious that there is an anti-gay attitude by some of the participants in this forum and it is visible through the name calling/use of the word “queen” and the aggressive word-vomit. You think you’re so righteous in defending your self-proclaimed victimization by a such “gay mafia” just because the moment has come at this point in history for gay people to finally be able to say ENOUGH. Well congratulations for your bravado in continuing with the gay-bashing on this place of discussion about a verbal gay-bash that is now apparently supposed to be tolerated for the sake of “freedom of speech”. You ought to give yourselves a pat on the back for being so morally correct. Anyone who has a problem with gay people is most certainly gay themselves.

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????xxx on May 23, 2014 at 11:06 am

Evein Levin should know that when employed by a company and in an interview representing said company that all words can and will be used against you. This isnt about freedom of speech…its about alienating an entire group against your product. Phil should have had a longer suspension. Now the clippers owner on the other hand said nothing in an interview….he was in the privacy of his home on a private call. That my friend is a violation of free speech.

chris on June 11, 2014 at 5:03 pm

This individual still looks like he’s twenty-five. Amazing.

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