Glad you posted on this Debbie, as I knew you would. The fawning over this man is deafening. Yesterday I was watching TV at a friend’s house, one of those low information “Democrat good, Republican bad” types, no real knowledge. This guy thinks Jon Liebowitz and Steven Cold Bear are brilliant journalists, and that TMZ is a must watch, every night. Anyway, within half an hour of the news breaking, even he was sick of it, because he couldn’t find a channel that wasn’t orgasming over Mandela.

Interestingly enough, I just finished going through your archives for the umpteenth time. Quite a lot of interesting stuff there, folks, don’t be shy about poking around in Debbie’s archives. Well, I started my day reading Debbie’s piece about Alice Walker.

I’m afraid we’re going to be inundated for the next week with the Mandela-izing of America. If you’re white, prepare to be attacked walking down the street. That’s right whitey, payback is a bitch. First Trayvon, now Nelson Mandela, any excuse. And we white folks deserve it, y’know. It’s perfectly justified.

Don’t forget the immortal words of President Lula DaSilva of Brazil, just five short years ago. Blond(e) haired, blue eyed white people are the cause of all the world’s problems. Take that, honky mofos.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 9:12 am

Debbie, Mandela and Arafat are spooning in Hell today. May their romance endure forever.

Pete on December 6, 2013 at 9:12 am

And from the pictures Debbie showed in her article, they did a lot of that here on earth too, Pete. UGH!!!

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 9:19 am

yes he was nothing but a terrorist and communist. it shows how the media has been supporting communism for decades.

thanks Debbie

General P. Malaise on December 6, 2013 at 9:23 am

Yours is the only article I’ve read telling the truth about Mandela. Thanks for your bravery.

Blayne on December 6, 2013 at 9:36 am

That’s the key word, Blayne, “brave.” That’s like “land of the free, and the home of the brave.”

That is now, ‘the land of the flea, and the home of the slave.’

So sad, too bad. Goodbye America.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 9:38 am

Debbie, interesting that you bring up Tutu, but I’m not going to say why. Let’s just say that what I COULD say if I were at liberty, about “Bishop” Tutu, something I heard, a VERY reliable story, is disgusting.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 10:00 am

I know Skzion was waiting for this column as well as I was. We knew the truth would be delicious and rare.

Being Liberal means NOT knowing your facts. (But in this case, Conservatives are just as bad.) I remember the day he was released. I even remember it was a Sunday. I thought it was a great thing because I was young, Liberal and didn’t know ANYTHING on this dude (but the song). I spoke of when Lou Reed carked it that I was shocked to hear him slag Jesse Hi-Jackson in a song (back in early 90s). Again, I did not know my facts. When the truth appeared, of course it was opposite of the narrative I believed without knowing anything. It was shocking to my misinformed brain.

Then in the 90s, when I was not quite still Liberal but not even close to Conservative I heard what Winnie Madikizela-Mandela was about (kidnappings, killings, “tire-ing”). Of all places on NPR. I was more shocked by this than the Lou Reed/Jesse Hi-Jackson song.

Liberals don’t know their history. They hear a sound bite, embrace it and believe and have the chutzpah to DEFEND it when they are clueless. (Like that dork Lance B on my twitters who said he was NOT a Marxist and Obama-Putin wasn’t a socialist).

I’m glad to read and know the truth. The Conservatives falling over themselves in encomiums for Mandela is NAUSEATING. You know they don’t know sh** when they are slinging THAT.

Thank goodness for the truth and DS who is smart enough and bold enough to teach it.

Skunky on December 6, 2013 at 10:01 am

Despite the fact that everything said here is accurate Mandela was always a moderating force given the context of his situation.

I personally believe that if you had swapped Arafat for Mandela then Israel would have had a chance of reaching some kind of settlement whereas South Africa would almost certainly have been the next Mozambique.
Politically there is a gap that can never be bridged but his personal qualities to some extent did transcend those differences even if only for fleeting moment in history. Was he more dangerous in the end because of that? Maybe.

No friend of Israel certainly but I think more because his political trajectory would never have allowed otherwise than any deep seated animosity.

F: Huh? Mandela was a “moderating force” in the exact same way as Arafat, Jackson, Sharpton, and Castro were “moderating forces.” If you really think Israel would’ve been better off (or that things would be any different at all) with that Marxist “Kill the Whites” HAMAS supporter as the head of the Palestinians instead of the “leadership” it currently has, you did not actually read this post. DS

Frankz on December 6, 2013 at 10:09 am

I used to run into (white) South Africans on a fairly regular basis here in Texas in my former occupation. I’d always ask them why they were here instead of SA. The answer was always the same … after Mandela had taken over the country had gone to Hell.

Pray Hard on December 6, 2013 at 10:11 am

Skunky, great post, you said it all. I love reading you for a number of reasons. The thought processes you and I went through with the propaganda we were exposed to during our liberal days was so similar. You help me to sort it all out through your affirmations of my own experience.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 10:12 am

I can’t get away from it. Even at Track & Field News there are already three Mandela related stories. I need a Mandela filter on my computer. Man, you’d think that Elvis or Babe Ruth had died, an’ shi’.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 10:43 am

When I was younger (30 years ago), all I knew about South Africa besides safaris and wine was that apartheid was evil, the white minority was pissing on the black majority and the whole world was against the National Party rule in Pretoria.

This is important to note because when I was growing up, the mainstream Canadian media was (to put it mildly) a bit more to the left than the media Stateside. So my opinion about the ANC (which was formed in the 1920s) and Mandela (who with Joe Slovo co-founded the Umkhonta we Siswe or Spear of the Nation, ANC’s military wing) happens to be mixed.

What I do know is that South Africa has become a less safer place under “majority” rule than under “apartheid”. Was that what Mandela had in mind when he joined the ANC? The poverty? The crime? The aimlessness of its youth? I remembered the “necklacing” incidents that occurred before apartheid was dismantled – go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing if you don’t know what it is, Kiddies. If the current situation was Mandela’s legacy, then it’s easy to say that South Africa has become, in spite of all hopes and optimism, just another failed African nation.

At least, it’s not like Zimbabwe.

Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela will have a lot to answer for when he gets to the Other Side.

The Reverend Jacques on December 6, 2013 at 11:15 am

Oh – and talk about irony…

If apartheid-era South Africa was racist, why did it support Israel?

I wonder if conservatives ever knew about that, eh?

The Reverend Jacques on December 6, 2013 at 11:20 am

I am sure you are the only person in the world telling the truth about Mandela today. Thank you.

Joel on December 6, 2013 at 11:23 am

And let’s not forget his ex-wife Winnie and her activities. She and her gang engaged in “necklacing” of those African blacks opposed to their views or even any one perceived as such. If you don’t know what necklacing is, go ahead and google it. I’ll spare you the gory details in this forum.

Alan on December 6, 2013 at 11:28 am

Where I live, we were inundated with a visit from Mandela in 1990 during the onset of David Dinkins’ disastrous run as NYC Mayor (where the 2,245 murders that year ended up being a harbinger of the rest of his term), especially Mandela’s visit to Yankee Stadium (speaking of Babe Ruth), and his oft-repeated “I Am a Yankee” proclamation. This visit was repeated ad nauseam by one of the two all-news radio outlets in the city in the nonstop coverage of his death. I would not be surprised if there was some kind of scamming and other funny business as there’d been during his visit to Detroit and his feting by Coleman Young.

But I figured that this counterpoint to the endless fawning would come forth here, and for those who seek the actual truth, the regulars who frequent the site will not be disappointed. (His death was also convenient in terms of a just-released – and I’m sure agenda-driven – biopic [which, given how they’re made of late, I make sure to pronounce as rhyming with “myopic”] Mandela: Long Walk To Freedom[sic] which, I’m sure, will completely gloss over his support of the PLO and Islamo-terrorism and then-wife Winnie’s own terrorist activities – hence, the comment “Mandela-ization of America” is doubly pertinent here.)

ConcernedPatriot on December 6, 2013 at 11:38 am

This is the biggest amount of crap I have read regarding this man. Tainted with bigotry.
Nelson Mandela had a dark side but he had a special place in the hearts of many, many South Africans, blacks, whites, whatever ethnicity. Having lived in the country for over ten years I think I am in a better position than you are to make a judgement on this.
And if it were the case that he was a supporter of Arafat, why would you care? This global witch hunt (just to protect Jews’ interests) has to stop. Pitiful.

Stef on December 6, 2013 at 11:40 am

“Stef”, Go back to reading the TMZ website please. Living there gives you no better “position”, in actually your commentary speaks more to the position of an uniformed sheep. No offense to sheep, all offense to “Stef”.

"Stef" Should STFU on December 6, 2013 at 11:53 am

Hey Stef, John Gotti had a “special place in the hearts” of a lot of people. Here’s a famous quote from his daughter, pulling out of the driveway, a long time ago, when approached by a local news reporter, in response to a question from said reporter, window rolled down said, . . .

“Lemme tell ya sumthin’. My fathuh, is the last of the Mohegans. They don’ make men like him annymaw, and they nevah will.”

Plus, he used to put on the big Fawt’ O’ July show in the neighborhood, hot dogs and soda for everyone. So, the word was when folks in that neighborhood were approached about “Johnny Boy,” that basically the coppers should leave him alone, he’s a good man, they should mind their own business.

Come to think of it, Hitler had a special place in a lot of people’s hearts, so does Charles Manson.

Stef, there was a saying among the indigenous peoples of Hawaii.

“Manaluhu manaluhu, kemmalamala quai, lello bitapolu, ullalahu kualalohu.

In times past, it meant “hunting was good, tonight and for days more, the village will eat well.”

In modern times, it means “I still think Ali in his prime would have toyed with Mike Tyson.”

Stef, I know you understand. Greet each day with a smile, and The Lord bless the work of your hands.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 11:56 am

The embrace of him by Israel’s leaders shows us there are NO Maccabees in Israel. People get in taken by what they want to see – and a casual acquaintance with reality is not what people want. They’d rather swallow Mandela The Myth than see him for who he actually was. I’m sick of the hype, too. For all of the American talk of having transcended race, that still remains very much with us.

NormanF on December 6, 2013 at 11:56 am

“If apartheid-era South Africa was racist, why did it support Israel?”

Supporting the communist terrorist Mandela is one thing. Defending the white South Africans for taking over a country that was not theirs and oppressing the native population is another. Just because the apartheid government was good for Israel does not mean that it was good for black South Africans. Read Mark Mathabane’s biography “Kaffir Boy” (and unlike Mandela, Mathabane is no white hater or Marxist). The apartheid regime wouldn’t even allow the black South Africans to leave the country! Mathabane had to lie about only wanting to leave the country to play tennis and not reveal that he wanted political and economic freedom and the chance at a better life that he would never have experienced in his own homeland.

Sorry, but the communist Mandela’s ANC and the fascist South African apartheid government were 6 of one and 6 of another. So the apartheid goverment was better for Jews. Big deal. What good did that do to the non-Jews that were being oppressed in their own country?

And as for the white south Africans who dislike the state of the current South African nation … well they are free to leave and go back to Europe where they originally came from. At least the current South African government actually allows whites who don’t want to put up with black rule to leave, unlike the previous apartheid government who forced blacks who wanted to leave to stay.

The evils of Mandela and the ANC do not justify the evils of the apartheid regime any more than Stalin’s evil can be used to justify Hitler’s. Incidentally, I am glad that COMMUNIST RUSSIA allied with the United States and played a key role in defeating Nazi Germany. Along the same vein, I do not have a problem with the Marxist ANC overthrowing the fascist South African apartheid government. I would have preferred that a non-Marxist government be the ones to take over South Africa after the apartheid regime fell. But guess what? The white south Africans committed to democracy (or a republic) could have had one. The ANC wasn’t the only black political organization in South Africa at the time. They had a rival group – Inkatha Freedom Party – and white South Africans could have joined forces with the IFP, gained a political majority and defeated both the fascist apartheid regime and the ANC. They didn’t. Why? Because they were fine with the way that things were, living in a country that their ancestors never should have conquered in the first place and reaping the financial and social benefits of crushing the natives of the country under their heel. The same with the world’s conservatives. They didn’t have to choose between the fascist apartheid government and the Marxist ANC. They could have backed the IFP, which advocated nonviolence and was nowhere near as leftist. But hey, I will leave it to you to determine why supporting an apartheid government that wouldn’t even allow its blacks to voluntary leave the country was such a good idea.

Gerald on December 6, 2013 at 12:01 pm

As I’ve said before, one of the unique features of this site is telling the truth about people when they die, no matter how politically incorrect.

Yes, virtually every ‘conservative’ site has falsified to one degree or another, Mandela’s record. Unfortunately this is not unprecedented. So-called conservatives falsified the threat of Communism, also, throughout the Cold War period, and especially at the beginning. Publications like the Saturday Evening Post, and U.S. News and World Report, considered conservative at the time, published articles during the 40s about how Mao was simply an agrarian reformer, and suggesting that his warfare against Chiang Kai-Shek was thus justified because of Chiang’s perceived tyranny.

Partly opportunism, and partly fear of being called racist. One of the problems is that Mandela is so much linked to the struggle against apartheid, and derives undeserved moral authority from this opposition. Mandela and the ANC did not bring down apartheid; that was done by means of international sanctions, worldwide political and economic condemnation, and the fact that Communism was on the verge of defeat in 1989 (e.g. the destruction of the Berlin Wall), and the political movements in line to replace apartheid therefore did not seem quite so threatening.

Little Al on December 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm

Unfortunately, I completed my 12:02 comment before reading Gerald’s post. Was the apartheid government good for Israel?

Isn’t that putting the cart before the horse? Israel embarked on major diplomatic efforts to strengthen ties with Black Africa during the late 50s and 60s. It was meeting with some success until the 1967 war. After that,the African countries were put under tremendous pressure by the Muslim countries and the Soviet Union (sic) to sever ties with Israel. Israel had become isolated, and was forced to establish ties of a sort with South Africa.

Little Al on December 6, 2013 at 12:11 pm

Bien hecho Alfredo. You summed it up perfectly.

Big Thumbs Up 2 Alfredo on December 6, 2013 at 12:16 pm

Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks.
To hate all but the right folks
Is an old established rule.

Tom Leher

rjkatz on December 6, 2013 at 12:22 pm

And of course those in favor of ‘peace, harmony and universal understanding’ such as pinko Tom Lehrer (and you should really try to spell his name correctly) always wind up siding with leftist totalitarians.

Little Al on December 6, 2013 at 12:28 pm

Is it ha-ha funny or ha-ha sad that Conservatives on the twitters who hate Obama-Putin with a passion are taking time out to follow the crowd and pay tribute to Nelson Mandela?

That’s when you can tell someone doesn’t know what they are praising or they have just got in the lemming line to fall over the cliff.

It’s an eye-opener.

Skunky on December 6, 2013 at 12:32 pm

Rjkatz, I remember when that song was a hit on the radio, mid-60’s I believe.

Little Al, thank you for providing the points and additional background you did in your posts. Unique features of this web site, indeed, one of your best points, and one of the best things about this web site. UNVARNISHED TRUTH!!!

Those looking for elaborate sanding, staining, shellacking and polishing should check in with . . .

Not So FOX(y)-News.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 12:34 pm

NormanF:

It is this simple. Would you have wanted to be a black person living in South Africa under apartheid? If the answer to that question is yes, then I suppose you would have some standing in saying that blacks who organized to topple apartheid were wrong. If your answer to that question is no, then what basis do you have for saying that the black South Africans who fought to topple apartheid were wrong?

“Afrikaners were not colonialists. They were a small people oppressed by the British and forced to give up their independence in the first colonial war waged in Africa.”

You are right. That makes their oppression of the native population totally OK then. A much more moral choice than SIMPLY GOING BACK TO DENMARK. They could have easily solved their British oppression problem by going back to Denmark. Instead, they chose to brutally subjugate another nation.

“The only things noteworthy about white South Africa was that it was an ally and friend of the West and Israel and that it was a prosperous and safe country.”

Why do people keep saying this? South Africa was neither prosperous or safe FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE. It was only prosperous and safe for a tiny minority. Which means THAT IT WAS NOT PROSPEROUS OR SAFE. It is not akin to America during Jim Crow and prior where blacks were the MINORITY, 10% or less of the population. Despite what blacks, Native Americans and other groups were enduring, you could say that in large part America was a safe, free, prosperous country. This was not the case in South Africa where the MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS were dirt poor, terrorized by their own government, and enjoyed practically no freedom of any kind. Claiming that South Africa was prosperous and safe pretends as if the majority of the people who lived there were not people at all and that they did not matter.

Is that your position, NormanF? That the majority of people in South Africa under apartheid did not matter? Why? Is it because they were not people? Were they subhuman? Apes, perhaps? If you are going to take the position that the majority of the South African population was mere jungle animals – dogs if you will – then fine, South Africa was safe and prosperous. Otherwise, the statement is factually incorrect and should not be uttered in any context.

Incidentally, lots of African countries under black rule are pro-western and pro-Israel. South Africa might have been also had the Boers not come in and subjugated them. I am sorry, Norman F., but people who are being subjugated also tend to resent the allies of their subjugators. So resenting the folks who helped the apartheid regime put their boots on your neck is totally logical and understandable.

Of course, you can take the position that you could care less about black South Africans and their experiences and you only care about your own nation and people. Fine, but if that is the case, then why go through such great lengths to be sympathetic to the poor, oppressed, marginalized Boers? Be consistent and wash your hands of both the Zulus and the Boers or don’t play the game at all. The ANC being wrong doesn’t make the apartheid government right. Doing the soft-pedaling apologist thing with “Being a minority didn’t lend them to being understood and accepted in an increasingly racist century that saw people side with their opponents on the basis of skin color. They’d still be ruling today if they had been black rather than white.” doesn’t change that.

None of you would ever defend a government that treated its Jewish population the way that South Africa treated its black population. Pretending otherwise is just playing games.

Gerald on December 6, 2013 at 12:59 pm

Remember “the two minute hate” in “1984”?

This will be more like “The week-long love” for Mandela; every TV network – mainly the “news” networks – must show full-blown love and admiration for Mandela,and praise him to the sky,and show not even the slightest sign of a dissenting opinion.Not even our “friends” at FOX News.

CharlesMartel on December 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm

Such must always be the proper ,politically correct, behavior when any Left Wing i-con passes,especially when it’s a Black racist.

CharlesMartel on December 6, 2013 at 1:04 pm

The rebranding of Nelson Mandela as a worldwide civil rights activist, humanitarian and statesman is an even bigger conjob than that which has deified Martin Luther King Jr. King, at least, was halfway convincing as a humanitarian. And he did support Israel (though I’m not convincted that he would have remained a supporter had he lived longer). Mandela, on the other hand, was a terrorist and terrorist enabler. His commitment to “nonviolence” was limited at best, and then only strategic.

Don’t tell this to “conservatives” fearful of the “racist” tag. There is Breitbart’s Pollak, as Debbie has described. But take a look at the front page of the print edition of today’s Wall Street Journal if you really want to see a suckup.

Seek on December 6, 2013 at 1:05 pm

As astute as Debbie can be sometimes, I see she is following the same pattern as others who strongly dislike Nelson Mandela. They are quick to mention communism, Marxism etc., but there is no mention of the horrific and brutal laws and conditions that existed in South Africa that led to the creation of a group like the ANC. History shows us again and again that nothing good comes out of brutally repressing and oppressing people. As a follower of the Old Testament, Debbie should know that evil begats evil….

DTrain on December 6, 2013 at 1:19 pm

you are talking as if you have lived in South Africa and seen how the white man had treated and still treats a black man….
Mandela is not a saint,but the things you wrote here is utter bull..You know nothing about the real South African history…Stick to what you know- shaving off your eye brows and re-drawing them….You dumb bitch!!!

kay on December 6, 2013 at 1:26 pm

That DTrain, is the constant dilemma that mankind is faced with, the ever more confusing chain of events that point to the human race as nothing more than a dog chasing its tail. People are doing business with people that want to kill them, and also with people that want to save their lives from those same people.

The human race is constantly going through the immortal words of Jimmy Hoffa, “sooner or later, everybody does business with everybody.” It’s very filthy, the entire human culture, a swirling toilet that never flushes, just violently swirls, sending its contents careening back and forth, slamming against its walls. Pockets of goodness and good people, but still living in a swirling toilet.

There is an old saying in greater northeastern, south central, western Texas. It is simply, . . .

“the devil you know and the devil you don’t know are still the same, the devil.”

And the human race cannot seem to avoid doing business with him.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 1:29 pm

I often say this but it bears repeating. Debbie you hit this one out of the park. It seems that your site is the only place to get the unvarnished truth about old Nelson Mandela. The media’s, including Fox News fawning all over this man is becoming over the top ridiculous. So much so that I thought that the early morning CBS newscaster Green was going to get the vapors on TV talking about how great Mandela was (much like how Chris Matthews gets tingly crotch syndrome talking about Odumbo). Now don’t get me wrong because before I joined the military back in the late 80s I didn’t know anything about Mandela other than he was Black and in jail for a long time because of apartheid. With the election of Derslickster in 92 all things liberal started to get on my radar (funny how 6-9month deployments overseas gives one time to read). I read up on Mandela during his time as S. Africa president and his ties to dirtbags like Arafat(may he forever roast) and scum like HAMAS. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that this fool was an anti-semite along the lines of cretins like Jackson, Farrakhan and Sharpton. It turns out two that Winnie was just as bad as her ex-hubby with the Jew hate and acts like necklacing of opponents. Now our doofus president has ordered all flags at government and military installations flown at half mast for this bum. The vaporous fawning by our useless media, liberal halfwits, stupid RINOs and fake conseratives ie Vannity will go on until Mandela is put into the ground.

Ken b on December 6, 2013 at 1:36 pm

DTrain’s comment seems a little disingenuous. It is hard for me to see why people or organizations needed to embrace totalitarianism in order to oppose apartheid. Reminds me a little of the Communists in the U.S. during the 30s and 40s. Their sympathizers and those who rationalize them, i.e. the pinkos, claim falsely that in order to oppose racism you needed to be a Communist. Leaving aside the Communists woeful record on racism, they were not the only people opposing racism during that time period, and it was certainly possible to oppose racism without supporting Communism. The same was true in South Africa (and DTrain may not be aware of the Communists’ twists and turns on that question in order to confirm to the Soviet party line.) Couldn’t Mandela and others have looked at how minorities and captive countries & nationalities were treated in the Soviet Union (sic), China, and, yes, Cuba?

If the ANC had been more moderate, there is a reasonable chance they could have received more money and support from the international labor movement, and, quite possibly, socialists affiliated with the Second International.

Little Al on December 6, 2013 at 1:36 pm

Kay, Kay, Kay, . . .

You had a good point, but then you showed your true colors.

There is an old saying in northeastern Kansas, which was passed down from the Whehthufukawi Tribe.

“Manaho umbakla krotonah parkkwei, meenamah ahblabhotu emblatah.”

In times past, it meant, “one man’s terrorist is another man’s terrorist.”

Today it means, “the Houston Texans should have benched Schaub instead of firing Gary Kubiak.”

Kay, Kay, Kay, I know you understand. The Lord keep you and bless you.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 1:38 pm

I am ROFL at the world’s ignorance about Nelson Mandela. Yes, South Africa has gone the way of many other countries. There is no black depravity against whites that white liberals will not excuse or forgive. Liberalism is a terminal disease. Rot in hell, Easy Nofemela and Ntobeko Peni. You two are heroes of Nelson Mandela and the parents of the young girl you murdered.

Frank on December 6, 2013 at 1:50 pm

I wouldn’t want to be a white person living in South Africa now. If you are, look for an upcoming white pogrom coming to a neighborhood near you (hint: if they come with tires they are not from the AAA). Hopefully all the Jews have had sense enough to leave long, long ago.

Michael Stanley on December 6, 2013 at 1:52 pm

Between last night and today, I learned many things about Nelson Mandela.

(i) He invented baseball;
(ii) He invented the polio vaccine;
(iii) He invented the internet, from PRISON!!!;
(iv) He hit more home runs than Barry Bonds AND Babe Ruth combined;
(v) He could run as fast, if not faster, than Usain Bolt;
(vi) He fought a 594 lb. wild tiger in India that attacked he and a visiting troupe of dignitaries, and vanquished it with a single punch. KNOCKOUT!!!;
(vii) He neither defecated nor urinated. He was pure, divine, unlike the rest of us, there was no fault found in him.

God help you, Debbie, you racist, you.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2013 at 2:28 pm

@Little Al:

“It is hard for me to see why people or organizations needed to embrace totalitarianism in order to oppose apartheid.”

That was precisely my point. There were alternatives to the ANC. The Inkatha Freedom Party was not perfect, but they were much preferable to the ANC. Apartheid supporters in South Africa as well as supporters of the apartheid government outside of South Africa had plenty of opportunity to support the IFC and other more moderate groups but they didn’t. Why? Because the South African minority didn’t want a republic where everyone could vote and receive equal treatment under the law. They liked apartheid and wanted to keep it.

I am sorry, but I believe in equal responsibilities for all. The people who opposed apartheid were responsible for embracing communism and anti-white racism, I 100% agree. You will not see me ever defend Mandela, liberation theology Desmond Tutu or liberation theology Martin Luther King, Jr., who had communists, socialists and other radicals writing his speeches and doing his organizing. But the people who opposed communism were equally responsible to oppose apartheid. As it was, the folks who supported the apartheid government were more than willing to subject someone else to treatment that they would never accept for themselves.

Really, asking why the South African rulers didn’t work with more moderate groups like the IFP really should be done in addition to asking why the ANC and their sycophant groupies resorted to communism. Their failure to engage the more moderate members of the majority population is just as responsible for South Africa being ruled by the ANC today, and claiming otherwise does no good.

The South Africa leadership failed. Even if the goal was to stop communism, that failed also because look at the result. Mandela and the ANC came to power because the good South Africans either failed to engage more moderate factions in the majority, or because good South Africans simply didn’t exist (or didn’t exist in enough numbers to make a difference and change policy). I am sorry, but putting all the blame on the ANC commies and their international leftist supporters doesn’t cut it. Conservatives inside and outside of South Africa could have done better but chose not to, and that failure is entirely on their heads. They have just as much blood on their hands as the ANC does, and no one should forget that.

Gerald on December 6, 2013 at 2:38 pm

I Big D, did not know much about Mr. Mandela. I never did any in depth reading in regards to him and his plight. I figure he was a South African hero amongst the blacks in that country. I just thought of him to be a South African Martin Luther/Malcom.

I don’t have much to ad, I didn’t know he hated Jewish people, as far as the mantra of “kill the whites” big deal, hell it was South Africa, Im sure every black over there chanted that, I mean we are talking about Apartheid right, and a man who did 37 years was it?

Its seems to me, Gerald had the most astute assertions, most comments I read, seem not to like Mandela just because of who he was. I think some of these people would have a problem with any black freedom fighter. Its just their D.N.A.

I’m going to play the back on this one, I just don’t have enough learned intel

Big D on December 6, 2013 at 2:46 pm

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2013/12/05/paris-hilton-confuses-nelson-mandela-mlk-claims-fake-tweet/

Frankz on December 6, 2013 at 2:51 pm

Did I say a “week-long lovefest” of Mandela? It turns out it will be 12 DAYS!!!! 12 DAYS of Communist,Blacks-Good-Whites-Evil, propaganda,visually,verbally,”musically”( If you think the Black miasmatic wailing is truly singing )!

Have all your anti-nausea drugs handy – at all times, for the next two weeks.

CharlesMartel on December 6, 2013 at 2:56 pm

Many people do not bring up the SA Jewish law firm that hired him when nobody else would. Just another incident where Jews help blacks or others and end up paying for it.

Jews importing black Jews into Israel, which you know will only back fire. Not even counting the thousands of black Muslims from Sudan. We didn’t land in Africa, Africa landed on us.

Glen benjamin on December 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm

Finally, someone has the guts to report on thate S.A. monster, Mandela. He is roasting in Hell.

DS_ROCKS! on December 6, 2013 at 3:32 pm

Glen Benjamin, what the hell are you talking about? Now if you’re going to disparage black jewish folk, then lets talk about how the Falashas we’re deliberately kept out of Israel when out of benevolence, they migrated there to donate blood, when Israel had a blood shortage.

How were they repaid, by not being allowed to give blood. Complete rejection. That I do know, so shut it!

Big D on December 6, 2013 at 3:35 pm

Mandela will be missed by his dear friends, Jessie Hymietown Jackson and Barack Hamas Obama

SB Steeler on December 6, 2013 at 3:39 pm