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March 16, 2013, - 10:57 pm

SCHMUCKS: Sweden Bans Israeli Airline Over “Profiling” Security Screening – Take Your Meatballs & Shove It!

By Debbie Schlussel

Ah, Sweden. The country that was willingly overrun by Nazis, in whose anti-Semitism it wholeheartedly participated. And the country which cannot, today, hold a public Davis Cup tennis tournament featuring Israel, out of fear that it cannot control its violent, anti-Semitic Muslims, by whom the country has also been willingly overrun and in whose anti-Semitism it wholeheartedly participates. Yup, the same Malmo, where Jews can no longer safely live, just as they could not in the pre-Nazi and Nazi eras. Some things never change. And, now, Sweden, is banning Israel’s Arkia Airlines because it dares try to keep Islamic terrorists from hijacking and/or blowing up its planes. How dare an airline do that, right? (By the way, to all of the morons who blindly bought Danish products over the Mohammed cartoons, guess what? Denmark did the same thing. Told ya so. These Scandinavians didn’t just produce one Quisling, but legions of quislings.)

That Was Then . . .

This Is Now . . .

And ain’t it funny how Sweden has no prob profiling Jews throughout its history and to date (whether during the Holocaust or in Malmo today), when we didn’t hijack or blow up anyone. Double standards ad absurdum. Hey, Stockholm has Stockholm Syndrome (and has had it ever since Muslims started ruling the roost).

Arkia has to stop flying to Stockholm because the Swedish capital’s international airport now refuses to allow Israeli methods of security inspections dictated by the Shin Bet security service, TheMarker learned on Wednesday. Thus, Stockholm’s airport joined those in Malmo, Sweden and in Copenhagen in refusing to allow Israeli security inspections, which involve ethnic and personal profiling, extensive questioning and selective inspections based on the perceived degree of risk to security.

Arkia, the only Israeli airline flying to Sweden, had to move its operations to Malmo and Stockholm this year after Denmark refused to permit Israeli security procedures at its airports last summer. Arkia elected to fly passengers to Sweden and take them by land to Denmark. Now this avenue is closed.

The foreign and transport ministries are working with the Shin Bet to resolve the dispute, especially since thousands of Israelis bought tickets to the region for summer.

They should cancel their trips and see how much the Swedes like losing gazillions of dollars in Israeli business. All airlines and countries do some sort of profiling, whether they admit to it or not. Sweden (and Denmark) singling out Israel is simply anti-Semitic apartheid. Nothing less.

“It seems from the international media that additional European countries waving the flag of civil rights and equality will refuse the Israeli security demands, which I’ve warned would happen,” said Arkia CEO Gadi Tepper. Arkia and other Israeli airlines would face serious difficulty if much of Europe is blocked to them, he said.

“We are talking with security authorities in Sweden and other countries where problems have surfaced, to understand the meaning of the new restrictions imposed on Israeli flights,” said the Transport Ministry, noting it was working with the Foreign Ministry, the embassy in Stockholm and Israeli security authorities.

“The Transport Ministry intends to continue allowing Israeli companies to fly to all destinations without restrictions, while providing for all aspects of security and safety,” it said.

I’d suggest this is something to think about the next time you consider shopping at Swedish-based IKEA, but IKEA has a store in Israel and isn’t exactly like its home country (although the billionaire who founded and owns IKEA was a Nazi and lied about it).

Reader Jonathan Grant of Grant Patent Services:

I guess the Jews are not dying fast enough for the horsemeat eating Nazi collaborators of Sweden.

Well, clearly they want to make it easier for Muslims to blow up planes filled with Jews. So Jon is spot on.

The Swedes can take their meatballs (and much else) and shove it. And screw the Danes and their Legos, too.

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68 Responses

Arkia (which is a subsidiary of the Israeli national carrier El Al) should just drop flights to Malmo.

If the Swedes don’t want Israeli tourists/business travelers to visit them, that’s perfectly fine.

Israel should also slap a reciprocal ban on the Swedish airlines. It not like Israel is losing an important customer!

Screw ’em.

NormanF on March 16, 2013 at 11:32 pm

The same retaliatory policy should be applied to Denmark as well.

If the Scandinavians don’t like Israel’s aviation security procedures, that’s their affair but Israel should not compromise its world-class security standards to make Jew and Israel-hating Scandinavians feel at home in their own skin.

And the Danes need not fly to Israel either. Every one uses some of sort of profiling at their airline counters, its just that Stockholm and Copenhagen are upset the Joos do it far more effectively than any one else. There is no reason in the world for the Jewish State to submit to their blackmail.

Its about high time they were told to take a walk.

NormanF on March 16, 2013 at 11:39 pm

The thing that’s really dumb about all of this is that most native Scandinavians would not be subjected to enhanced security by the Israeli airlines. It would probably end up being the Muslim usurpers who could be detained or frisked.

As an American of Scandinavian descent, I have often said of the American TSA screening nonsense, that when pudgy, postmenopausal blonde women of Scandinavian descent start hijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings, or start trying to blow up airplanes, I will no longer object to the enhanced screening I ALWAYS get at American airports because of my knee replacement. I get strip-searched, but every Middle-Eastern man and woman I see in the security area gets his/her butt kissed. We can offend fourth generation Americans all day long, but God Forbid we offend a Muslim. As a result, I don’t fly anymore unless I absolutely have to.

I’ll take the intelligent, profile-based screening of the Israeli airlines any day of the week.

DG in GA on March 17, 2013 at 1:19 pm

Israel has the best airline security in the world. Sweden should learn from them.

RT on March 17, 2013 at 12:12 am

In NYC,Building codes require metal shielded wiring(BX cable) for home construction. It’s a strong safety measure not followed by some other places. BX cable takes into account possible conditions that might occur thru human actions or circumstance of the moment! Israel does the same with their Airport security because a sworn enemy has “made it clear”that they (Israel)is a target! wallyworkswell@yahoo.com

williamwalter on March 17, 2013 at 9:25 am

All Sweden is going to learn is – where to place the violinists as passengers are marched into the aircraft.

Nir Leiu on March 18, 2013 at 8:27 pm

Europe died at auschwitz.

If the guilty white nazis in Europe want some moon g-d to be their savior, let them suffer the consequences. I’m sick of it. Every Jew should move to Israel , now, and build a Jewish Empire for goodness, G-dliness and reveal that this Planet is G-d’s footstool.

Doc Holiday on March 17, 2013 at 1:51 am

Debbie can you tell me your next topic so I can pre-provide a reader blurb. Is it like sponsoring a kiddish? This security beroiges could be a smart way for Europe to ban flights from Israel. BTW Debbie this reminds me of the 90’s when I was a nice young man on JDate. I chatted several times in a tznius fashion with this pretty girl from Paris. One day she told me she was going to be in the U.S. near where I was. My memory is fading but I never contacted her because I had a galpal at the time. I did the same thing with a beautiful medical student I Jchatted with for a while who was in Switzerland who moved to NY. I did get to meet a nice Jdate girl from Chile with an Israeli name who had a body like a swim suit model, B’H. I haven’t been a Jdate member in over 10 years but it was good back then and super cheap too.

A1 on March 17, 2013 at 1:57 am

The Swedes have it exactly bassackwards.

They should be banning the Arab airlines and the Arab Muslims from their country.

They will reap what they sow…oh wait,they already are.
What percentage of rapes are committed by Muslims in their country? 90%?
Geee

ebayer on March 17, 2013 at 3:11 am

Pig fuckers.

pat on March 17, 2013 at 3:21 am

I can’t stand IKEA. It’s ugly and cheap but when they came to Israel 4-5 years ago, all the sheep went ga-ga traveling the whole country to shop the store in Netanya. Strangely, it burned to the ground not too long after it opened but was rebuild in record time. We also have H&M here, another Swedish company with several locations.

Italkit on March 17, 2013 at 4:30 am

Ikea stuff is just glorified cardboard.

Pray Hard on March 17, 2013 at 10:17 am

NormanF,

Israel already requires certain minimum security levels (set by Shin Bet) from foreign airlines… And, AFAIK, Sweden and Denmark already don’t fly to Israel…

Other airlines (e.g. KLM, Air France, Lufthansa) provide the alternatives on that route…

As for Denmark & Sweden, I would advise the Israelis to treat them just like they’re treating Turkey for several years now… Take your money elsewhere!…

Hans on March 17, 2013 at 5:35 am

Sweden was neutral during World War II. It also remained independent.

Had the Soviets conquered Finland, that might have changed.

To this day, Sweden is not a member of NATO. It remained neutral during the Cold War.

Some Americans think that Sweden is some kind of “American Ally”. That is untrue both historically and currently. Your characterization of Sweden is correct except for the technicality I mention above.

TINSC: Swedish “neutrality” during WWII was as real as Hanan Qahwaji Tudor’s (porn name: “Brigitte Gabriel”) newly implanted breasts and rhinoplasty, and her claims that she lived in a bomb shelter for seven years and that her mother gave birth to her at age 55. There are truths and there are fairy tales. Swedish neutrality is the latter. More from the NYTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/26/weekinreview/the-not-so-neutrals-of-world-war-ii.html

”Sweden was not neutral, Sweden was weak,” said Arne Ruth, a Swedish journalist who has written a book on the Third Reich. ”Its sales of iron ore made an important contribution to the German effort. It allowed German troops and weaponry through its territory to Norway. In 1943, its government told the central bank to ignore suspicions that German gold Sweden received was looted.

There is NO Santa Claus on March 17, 2013 at 9:08 am

That was an important piece of info about Swedish “neutrality,” Debbie.

skzion on March 17, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Debbie,you make a very valid point regarding Sweden’s alleged neutrality in WW2 . There will be many of my generation who witnessed the use of the bofors gun in the hands of both the allied forces and the enemy. Bofors being swedish of course. Norway was the base for the nazi attempt at making heavy water with the complicit agreement of the norwegian government .Both Sweden and Norway could see money to be made by staying neutral and today they still do. Who else owns the patent of the AA guns seen on the backs of toyotas in various newsreels of Islamic conflict zones? Perhaps they are chinese copies ,I dont know .
As for IKEA, I agree it is rubbish made for mass consumption but the underlying connection with the great evil must never be forgotten.

Aron B on March 17, 2013 at 5:56 pm

Deb:

“Facts” emanating from the New York Times are easily dismissed. The number of times the New York Times has been caught manufacturing facts are to numerous to count. You have plenty of examples on this blog.

Sweden preserved its sovereignty during WWII. That’s a fact. It supplied Germany with raw materials; we know that. Neutral countries trade with both sides. The Swedes did not want to take on the Germans or the Soviets.

The United States traded with Nazi Germany and continued to do so after the war broke out as it took a “neutral” path. Even after hostilities broke out, John Foster Dulles maintained business relations with the 3rd Reich. Dulles sat on the board of directors at I.G. Farben prior to the war and had numerous Nazi financial clients during the war. John Foster Dulles remained on the board of I.G. Farben even after war broke out between Germany and the U.K. America’s record as a neutral country between September 1939 and December 8, 1941 is hardly better than Sweden’s.

Not to defend Sweden, but they took in Jewish refugees from Denmark. There’s no black-and-white answer to the Swedes behavior during World War II. What is indisputable is that Sweden maintained its sovereignty during WWII as a neutral country. Yes, they traded with the Nazis. So did Switzerland; another “neutral country”.

Thanks to the actions of the Dulles brothers, shipments of Saudi oil made their way to the 3rd Reich with the assistance of American diplomats and spies by trans-shipping through “neutral” Spain during America’s conflict with Nazi Germany. They had assistance from James Forrestal who would eventually become Sec. of Defense. Chuck Hagel’s comments about the influence of the Israeli lobby are not without precedence. Forrestal went on record 40 years before Hagel with much the same comment. Forrestal’s comments did not stop the U.S. Navy from naming an aircraft carrier after him.

None of the Scandinavian countries actively opposed the 3rd Reich. Yet Sweden managed to maintain their sovereignty and even provided refuge for Jews escaping Denmark. That does not give me “the warm fuzzies” about Sweden given their overall behavior during and after WWII. Yet the fact remains, they were a neutral country that maintained their sovereignty during World War II. It was not “overrun” or conquered by the Nazis.

TINSC: I agree that the NYTimes lies, but the facts about Sweden’s phony “neutralism” are well known. Sweden helped the Nazis. The guy who founded and owns IKEA was not the only Swedish Nazi. He was one of many. Switzerland was hardly neutral. These countries’ neutrality during WWII and the Holocaust was NINO – Neutrality In Name Only. It’s a fiction belied by the many facts of Swedish and Swiss cooperation with the Nazis. DS

There is NO Santa Claus on March 17, 2013 at 9:22 pm

OK Deb. Let me try to summarize our points of agreement and disagreement.

Sweden sucks! We agree.

Sweden “helped the Nazis”. Agreed.

America helped the Nazis and those who did so rose to great power in the United State government in the post war era. You have not acknowledged that or shared your perspective.

Sweden gave refuge to Jews fleeing the Shoah. You have not acknowledged that FACT.

Sweden was not “overrun” by the Nazis; a claim made in your column. Sweden maintained their sovereignty during WWII. You have not acknowledged that FACT.

Sweden was neutral in that they did not commit military forces to the German war effort. Sweden was NOT neutral in that they traded key raw materials with the Germans. Hopefully you agree with this perspective.

Had Sweden not been faced with the prospect of defending themselves against a Soviet invasion as their neighbor Finland did, their neutrality might have been more sincere. Sweden’s concern for Soviet invasion appears to be sincere and is reflected in post war policy. Personally, I resent Sweden’s neutrality during the Cold War more than their neutrality during WWII.

Finland was invaded by the Soviets. Finnish Jews fought side-by-side with German soldiers during World War II. That’s a FACT. (Not mentioned in my previous posts). Swedish aid to the Nazis often took the form of aid to Finland in fending off the Soviet invasion. As such, Sweden clearly aided the Nazis; a FACT we agree on.

Lastly… your thesis may or may not explain the prevalence of antisemitism in Sweden today. Since the history both pro and con is mixed, the question arises: does it really matter?

I oppose antisemitism and I don’t care whether the Swedes gave refuge to Jews fleeing the Shoah (The Japanese gave refuge to Jews fleeing the Shoah too.) The Swedes are actively embracing antisemitism and I don’t care whose side they favored during WWII. The Czech Republic was part and parcel of the 3rd Reich and today they often times confront European antisemitism and demonization of Israel.

The Swedes can thump their chests with pride over Raoul Wallenberg in a vain effort to “prove” they aren’t anti-Semitic. The efforts of Wallenberg are noteworthy but so is the anti-Semitism and pro-Nazi leanings of Wallenberg’s father who was a Swedish diplomat.

Sweden’s neutrality during WWII is mixed as is the United States’ between 1939 and 1941. What really counts is how they behave TODAY. On that issue, Sweden is routinely failing to stand up against anti-Semitism. That’s what really matters and on that account, I fully agree with your assessment of Sweden TODAY.

Regards,

There is NO Santa Claus (aka TINSC)

There is NO Santa Claus on March 18, 2013 at 8:59 pm

The Swedes sold BALL BEARINGS to the Nazis. Critical war material. Might want to look up the Bombing campaign in WWII and what our worst regular raids were.

Eurabia is dying. My view precisely that of the great writer, Colonel Tom Kratman: don’t let the Eurotrash refugees in.

Occam's Tool on April 30, 2014 at 9:09 pm

These people are as obnoxious as the Poles. They get kicked in the teeth by their expanding Muslim population, but instead of dealing with that problem Sweden decides to pick on Jews.

Worry01 on March 17, 2013 at 9:09 am

Just like Fort Worth cops typically stop cute high school girls and old black people. It’s a lot easier than dealing with the real problem.

Pray Hard on March 17, 2013 at 10:21 am

Ahhhh yes, dem damn JOOS again, wanting to protect their planes and citizenry, what a dastardly thought. Was it Debbie who wondered in a recent column about whether this is 1943 or 2013? Well Debbie, I’m sure you know that 70 years is one of the Biblical cycles, and yes indeed, it IS 1943, folks. Only back then the world didn’t have America’s superpower status and our financial support for Israel to blame. Even more fuel for the fire now.

The dots are connecting folks, and the AntiChrist will make Hitler seem like The Flying Nun when he reveals himself. The world is in for the most miserable time since humans first appeared on the earth, and I fear quite soon, although not all the pieces are in place yet. Germany has yet to arise again, but it is prophesied, and it will happen. They are indeed ON the rise, for sure.

It’s a frightening time in the world. When I was growing up in New York, a frequent saying among many Jews I knew, including the liberal ones was NEVER AGAIN!!! Now that cry is dead, and they all seem to agree that it’s America’s Imperialist nature and Israeli Aggression that causes all the problems in the world. Man, if we could only get rid of that, we could hold hands in a chain stretching around the globe, and teach the world to sing and buy the world a Coke, right?

The human race is going to learn the hard way about its propensity for evil and misguided notions. Is it any wonder that the Bible says when Christ comes “He will rule the nations with a rod of iron?” At first, he’s going to HAVE to.

The dots are connecting, and once again they are forming a ring around the Jews. And when The Teleprompter-In-Chief, this enemy of America, this MUSLIM is finished destroying our “once great republic,” doing George Soros’ bidding, the world will be plunged in to darkness, and we will all be slaves.

Nobody seemed to care when Stephanopoulos had to correct The Golfer-In-Chief with regard to his faith, “Mr. President, you mean your CHRISTIAN faith.” Yeah, Soros was probably yelling in Steph’s earpiece to get this guy back on script, I’ve almost got America by the balls, get him back on script. Hey you posters on this site, anyone ever have to correct you on YOUR faith?

And who remembers when The Vacationer-In-Chief said during his FIRST campaign, “we’ve been to 57 states.” Anyone know who’s got 57 states in this world? Just slips of the tongue, right? The Fund Raiser-In Chief’s tongue seems to slip every time he opens his mouth.

And when Fritz Mondale said he would raise taxes, he lost any chance he had for the presidency, but The Community Organizer-In-Chief said under his plan electricity rates would “necessarily skyrocket,” and this guy gets ushered in with a marching band worthy of John Philip Sousa.

And what Christian says “the sweetest sound I’ve ever heard is the Muslim call to prayer.” All together now, . . .

lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala. Are you vomiting yet?

Prepare to die a horrible death, everyone on this web site, and throughout America. NEVER stop fighting, because the Bible says “never tire of doing what is right.” But be realistic, and don’t be surprised at what unfolds tomorrow.

“Give me liberty, or give me death.”

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on March 17, 2013 at 10:49 am

Alfredo, you brought up many interesting points in your post. I especially related to your Fritz Mondale point because I think of that point often and it can only be summed up by the dumbing down of the nation, the dying off of American citizens who at one time were more patriotic and conservative as a whole and just the success of the Obama-Putin media and Obama-Putin HIMSELF being able to lie DISGUSTINGLY yet hardly ever being challenged on it.

The USA of 1983 is NOTHING like the USA of 2013

Yeah, and the point about Obama-Putin’s “slip of the tongue” with itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny George Stephanopoulis is a good point too. I won’t EVER dismiss that. But most everybody has.

When SOMETHING is dodgy, one should be able to look at the clues and say “Umm, there is SOMETHING not right about it and it begs some questions” but that doesn’t happen with Obama-Putin. Look at his birth certificate! I don’t expect every Conservative to be a “birther” BUT if you are NOT admitting that there is something FOUL about it you are ignoring a smelly rat. And that’s what many peeps are doing INCLUDING so-called Conservatives. So Obama-Putin is not called on to fill in all the missing links about his origin of birth (I happen to believe he was born in USA) when there are interesting questions regarding it that have NOT been answered. Like why are his mum’s paperwork missing from the National Archives for the year he was born and why his provided BC can be dismantled on Adobe Illustrator and the fonts and numbers are NOT consistent with the year he was born? (let alone how he was able to travel to Pakistan in his 20s and the VERY valid question if he attended college as a FOREIGN student).

But I agree. This is a significant time. If one is watching The Kardashians, they will be shocked and awed at what’s coming over the horizon. And woefully ill-prepared.

Skunky on March 17, 2013 at 12:08 pm

Debbie, you say that thousands of Israelis have or will visit Sweden. These are the complete idiots who should be ashamed of themselves. Vacationing in Israel is not good enough for them? Israelis don’t have to visit anti-Semitic cretins in Sweden. Israel should ban travel to Sweden.

Jerry G on March 17, 2013 at 10:50 am

Great article, common sense is in short supply today.
My dad recently traveled and had his CPAP machine raped by TSA for nothing. Now THAT’S typical unnecessary harassment of a white senior citizen. Not what Israel does with their standards and screening.

samurai on March 17, 2013 at 10:50 am

Hey Samurai, they probably thought your dad’s machine was CPAC. Can’t have them old, white Republicans just walk through security unchallenged, y’know.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on March 17, 2013 at 11:08 am

Good point, Al. He said the “agent” had a very confrontational manner from point “A” to point “B”. Bet he doesn’t act like that with the people he should keep a careful eye on.

samurai on March 17, 2013 at 8:20 pm

Why would any Jew want to visit Sweden or Denmark? Also, Israel should ban all Swedish companies, products and stores in Israel. Let them locate in Palestinian territory. Maybe even Egypt.

Steve Gardality on March 17, 2013 at 11:35 am

Jeez. I didn’t know that about the Davis Cup. How disappointing.

I believe things (for me) happen for a reason. I have NEVER been keen on any Scandinavian sh**. Sweden, Denmark, Finland and all those other socialistic blonde bastard countries. I never was into the Swede tennis players and I have always been left bored by them (Scandinavians, as a whole). I know why now! (I think the one thing I like about them is their furniture and home decor design…)

Are you getting sick of it yet? The pandering to the completely psychosis of Islam & it’s whacko adherents? The choosing of THEM over the Jews who haven’t done anything to deserve the disdain that gets heaped on them? I sure am.

No one wants to see it and everyone wants to be PC towards it (that means pandering and making excuses for the Moooooooslims). Don’t listen to what DS says. Sure, she posts proof daily but things look better with a head in the sand (and a tuchis in the air!) and *hoping* that only a few radicle Moooooslims are ruining for the rest of the *moderates* (who haven’t said SH** since 9/11 but just ignore that fact!).

This weekend I heard someone defending Grover Norquist because said person was tired of getting e-mails saying Norquist was on the side of Islam. Person said that wasn’t true (oh, oh-kaaaaaay….) and at the end of the day knows hardly ANYTHING about Islam & Jihad. Just because they are “friends” with him. This is disappointing to hear. Guess the person doesn’t know who Alamoudi is/was and who he (GN) is married to.

Even thou’ in retrospect we should have known the TRUE threat of Islam BEFORE 9/11 most didn’t. But NOW, 12 years after people are apologists and pandering to Islam and it’s making me sick…DAILY!

And that is why it is easier in 2013 to put the kibosh on Israel and not on the scourge of Islam. It’s only gonna get worse…

Skunky on March 17, 2013 at 11:38 am

Yeah Skunky, MUCH worse. And they’re right, it’s only 1.7 billion of the world’s 1.8 billions Muslims that are extremists. That leaves 100 million (IF that) we must treat with kid gloves. After all, as the left loves to say, if even ONE (insert choice for category here, snail darter, grey wolf, prairie rat, bald eagle, MUSLIM) can be protected, well, protect we must.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on March 17, 2013 at 11:50 am

They don’t call it the Stockholm Syndrome for nothing.

Red Ryder on March 17, 2013 at 11:52 am

Glad to see you here, RR. On the “Pope” blog, I wrote the following:

“RR, this is now the second time I have asked you to respond to a series of points I have made. How do you explain your failure to do so?”

This would now be the third time. Last time around I asked you, since you seemed to oppose Vatican II, what you thought of the “deicide” charge and whether you believed that Jews of today should be persecuted. I note that you are also on record opposing World War II and seemed quite unconcerned that the 1/3 of European Jewry that survived would have perished as as well. At that time, you said that if WW2 were started to save the Jews it failed miserably. Quite so, but at least some Jews were indeed saved, and you gave no indication that you thought that was a worthwhile accomplishment. Most recently you advise us that the Catholic Church should not make waves regarding Muslims.

Care to put this all into perspective?

skzion on March 17, 2013 at 2:44 pm

@skzion–

Aren’t you oversimplifying my positions just a tad? I would be pleased to expand on these points, but first, let us clarify…

1. My “opposition” to Vatican II, as you call it, was rather making the point—unknown by non-Catholics, and unappreciated by most Catholics—that this classic example of the Church “getting with it” resulted in millions leaving the Church, mass attendance dropping like mad, and ushered in a long era (ending just now) of liberals (and even homosexuals) dominating the Curia.

The relatively minor changes to translations, in which “deicide” charges are not quite as obvious—even though there are still plenty of references to the Jews in a less than positive light—are but a tiny fraction of the Vat II documents.

That said, it is unquestionable that key sections of Vatican II—especially those which dealt with conscience—were willfully taken out of context, and were used to promote great damage to the Church.

2. As to WW2, you betray your distorted position here. While the tragedy that befell the Jews cannot be overstated, they were by no means the only victims. In essence, if an enterprise is undertaken that costs 55 million lives, and God knows how much in money, it is only prudent to evaluate it.

In doing so—objectively—one can only conclude that it made the world safe for Communism for 44 years. Or, to put it another way, we replaced two horrible dictators with…two different horrible dictators. And, for what it’s worth, many more than 6 million suffered and died under Communism during those post-war years.

Cold comfort that the typical “enlightened” American view is “Yes, we made some mistakes, but it still had to be done.” Begging the question, anyone?

3. Regarding the Church and Muslims, your characterization of my position is quite close to calumny. As I reminded Debbie’s readers, the Church did undertake action against the Muslims during the Crusades. Care to tell me how many of your fellow Jews think that the Crusades were a good thing?

Moving to the present, you and Debbie seem to think that the Pope can just order his “troops” in the parishes to take action against the Muslim threat—-although no specifics are ever given. Please put this into the context of the late John Paul II being breathlessly admired by Catholics and non-Catholics alike, even though it was under his pontificate that Europe was lost and the sex scandals occurred.

Sadly, even the Church is not immune to PC, although some dioceses are much better than others.

I think you will agree that rather than simply attack Islam (which is done), the Church would do better to evangelize. Still, those who wish to leave, will leave–and good riddance.

I hope this helps.

Red Ryder on March 17, 2013 at 3:29 pm

Skzion, after reading the post between you and RR I think RR is just defending his faith. He makes some very interesting points (especially on Catholicism and mistakes and the aftermath of such) and he asks a deep question re: WW2 (I admit, I never thought of it in that context…it’s a big ‘what if’…).

I get his points (perhaps because I am also Catholic and know that better than Judaism) and the only thing I disagree with him on (that I have an understanding of…) is his views on trying to keep Islam at bay by being nice to them. I have read (and understood) too much here to ever agree with that.

Not that I know the answer (I don’t) but I know the bottom line. The answer thou’ will not be a nice solution as one has to eradicate the evil and there is no nice way of doing that.

Skunky on March 17, 2013 at 8:16 pm

@Skunky–

Thanks for your comments. Just to set the record straight, I did not recommend “being nice” to Muslims as a strategy. More priests should speak out on Islam, and as I said earlier, the amount of PC varies by diocese.

I would say that especially in areas that are overrun with Muslims—such as Bethlehem—prudence suggests that the few Catholics still there try their best to avoid conflict. Clearly, there is a line crossed when flat-out persecution appears. We are not all called to be martyrs.

Next week here in the DC area, there will be a march in support of traditional marriage on the day that the Court hears arguments on this issue.

https://www.marriagemarch.org/

This event is being heavily promoted in local parishes. I must admit to being conflicted here….

Historically, Catholics (and traditional morality in general) have not been well-served by the Supreme Court. And, I doubt that it will do the right thing this time, either.

Yet, there are some indulgences to be gained merely by witnessing, I suppose. However, this seems to be counter-balanced by the mistake of putting too much faith in “Caesar.”

Just another example of the Church attempting to save the world—but no one seeming to care.

As to WW2, Vatican II, and their respective aftermaths, as you can see—this has troubled me a lot. We can also add for your further pleasure:

The 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Medicare. Think about the s**tstorm unleashed by those two laws.

Red Ryder on March 18, 2013 at 8:51 am

Yes, RR, I don’t think “Traditional Marriage” is going to be preserved. The winds are against us and these are interesting times…many don’t see it but the tide is turning…and NOT to the good or better. Interesting times, indeed. (Using that for a lack of a better word that would be universally understood…I think these are scary times, actually….)

I could gather your feelings about Vatican II & WW2…WW2 is a heavy question and I’d have to cogitate on that a heap more but I feel you’re right regarding Vatican II. Also, Italkit brought up the “Jesuits”. Was hoping she’d expound on that more but she is indeed on to something with that.

Kirche, your stories were fascinating. The scary one was creepy and boy did you luck out!!! You have a book in you.

Also, on a different plain (sp?) Scandinavian countries, for all their so-called “neutrality” have had the most brutal and heinous bands of “death metal” groups causing death and mayhem.

I NEVER trust the sorts who like to act as if they are smack dab in the middle and harbour no opinions. They are usually the most evil, pervo and rank. Watch out for ’em!

Skunky on March 18, 2013 at 12:15 pm

The problem of Scandanavian anti-semitism is prevalent through out this region. I spent some time in Iceland and the current Icelandic government is extremely anti-Israel and by extension anti-Jew. The Icelanders are pro-“Palestinian” and attack Israel at every turn. Though Iceland is a NATO member, w/o a standing army, they take the position of demonizing the U.S.-NATO protection guarantee of their island. Like every other country in the region, w/o our ever decreasing nuclear umbrella, they would be at the mercy of far more malevolent powers and could not engage in their socialist fantasyland politics…

Marc on March 17, 2013 at 12:26 pm

Sweden –

“Security, bad”
“Rape, good”

What a ‘hell’ of a place

jack on March 17, 2013 at 12:52 pm

It seems to me that if someone is offended by the airline they could choose another one. Besides, shouldn’t it draw any suspicion if a muslim Arab takes an Israeli airline that he is supposedly boycotting? Do they have any objections to muslim discrimination? How many Jews go around raping Swedish women? Or is that like that smelly fart in a polite setting that we are supposed to not notice?

jerry doegen on March 17, 2013 at 1:23 pm

Israel has the best airline security in the world bar none. An Israeli friend of mine, who worked for El Al for 10 years, is in demand as a consultant for airlines all over the world. El Al’s Sky Marshall program is also the best in the world. There have been incidents that were not in the press where they have acted. One incident was at Orly Airport (where, by the way, the security is bad) I refuse to fly any other airline than El Al to Israel.
There is NO security without profiling!
Arkia should cancel all flights & the tourists should cancel all trips.
I agree with Debbie-They should shove it!

PaulaMalka on March 17, 2013 at 1:37 pm

I wish our security was as good as Israel’s. Here, we have a bunch of morons, often harassing white people, while letting Muslims in full chador go through without any body check.

I cannot tell you how many times I, a short Jewish guy in a business suit, have been stopped and groped by these perverts.

Jonathan E. Grant on March 17, 2013 at 1:44 pm

I am of course, referring to aiport (in)security.

Jonathan E. Grant on March 17, 2013 at 1:45 pm

In other airport security news, Times of Israel reports today that convicted Palestinian airline bomber Mohammed Rashed is being set free after some 20 years imprisonment. He was convicted of placing a bomb on Pan Am Flight 830 from Tokyo to Honolulu back in 1982. It went off in-flight, killing one Japanese teenager and injuring a dozen others.

Rashed was originally jailed in Greece, but released for “good behavior” after just eight years. The FBI grabbed him in Egypt, and the US gave him a few more years. But for his “cooperation”, the US is releasing him early. His lawyer wouldn’t comment on Rashed’s future plans, but we can guess what they might involve.

Raymond in DC on March 17, 2013 at 2:25 pm

I think we start boycott Sweden made products throughout the world.

Rachel Goldstein on March 17, 2013 at 4:40 pm

Yes the Swedes like the Swiss really are a plucky independent people.
So bravely defying nasty security policies that make Muslims look bad but not so bravely defying Hitler’s world vision, oh really not so long ago.

Don’t worry Hitler still loves you blondie

Frankz on March 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm

Also I just want reiterate.
You suck Red Riding Hood.

Frankz on March 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm

@Frankz–

Trying to figure out what your problem is.

Red Ryder on March 17, 2013 at 7:22 pm

Sweden ,Unlike Holland was never a Jew Friendly country .A long look at their history will see that the Christian bible shaped their outlook after the times of Norse gods etc. ( 400 years ago, The Dutch appreciated the benefits of a well read ,cultured peoples in their midst along with those willing to work on the land)
In Sweden , Over one thousand gregorian years of brain washing saw that the attitude towards the jew was well and truly entrenched and only those who were fortunate enough to be in a strong financial position and thus protect them selves could survive there. Apart from the scenery ,there is really no other reason to visit the country. If you want to see nice unspoiled fiords go to New Zealand. Just make sure your passport is legitimate though..ha ha .

Aron B on March 17, 2013 at 6:11 pm

Given this information Sweden and Denmark are now two places hijackers will consider if they believe they can evade current weapon detection systems.

The reason for profiling is that systems designed to dtect weapons are known to not be very good.

I_AM_ME on March 17, 2013 at 7:31 pm

Lots of good info, Deb. Outstanding job on this.
That Davis Cup thing was disgraceful. I think they actually held the match, but there were no spectators allowed. And apparently that didn’t seem utterly absurd to the Swedes.
As somebody who really loved my Volvo P1800S in the ’60’s, all I can say is how disappointed I am with what their society has evidently turned (or should I say “degenerated?”) into.
I don’t know how the thinking, decent people have let it come to this, and that goes for France, London, and a million other formally enlightened places, including right down the street where I live, over at UCSD where the Associated Student Council just passed a resolution asking the University to “cease its investments in companies that profit from the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian Territories(sic),” (whoever the Hell that may be, I don’t know.) Deb, your site always disturbs me. I don’t know how you can take it sometimes, really. But keep up the good work (if you can stand it.)

Joe Guiney on March 17, 2013 at 8:49 pm

@Red Ryder:

Perhaps Frank Z. would be happier if you were a multicultural atheist or some other sort of liberal instead of traditionalist Catholic. The fact that religion is the primary source and motivator of conservatism certainly isn’t lost on the left. Why so many on the right – including but not limited to libertarians – wish to deny this is amazing.

Go hang out on http://secularright.org/ and see if you can get more than 50 or so people who fall on the right side of the spectrum to hang out with that crowd. It is a pipe dream. Once religion is removed from the picture, then stuff like letting Boy Scout leaders “date” and “marry” their Cub Scouts starts looking more and more like a good idea because there is no basis for opposing it

Gerald on March 18, 2013 at 9:38 am

@Gerald–

Thanks. Am familiar with so-called “secular” conservatives (actually atheist).

It’s always fun asking them where morality came from–if not “supernatural.” Clearly far-removed from Law of the Jungle, which would take hold otherwise.

Basically, they are amoral libertines who prefer lower taxes, and many of them–like many liberals–hold prestigious academic backgrounds.

Red Ryder on March 18, 2013 at 12:04 pm

You are welcome. I am Protestant myself – though fundamentalist, not evangelical.

The low tax libertines are even more deluded than the liberals. At least the liberals acknowledge that big government is necessary to deal with the inevitable results of self-destructive and irresponsible behavior. But when these libertines with their elite degrees are the ones strung out on dope and carrying STDs, they’ll be first in in the line for ObamaCare, Section 8, you name it.

Gerald on March 18, 2013 at 1:06 pm

Good point Gerald,

However I am not sure you would find a Catholic Priest anywhere in the world who would think that a boy scout leader dating a cub scout is a bad idea (except he may have a problem with the fact that the word “DATING” implys mutual consent, and Catholic priests seem to prefer Pederastic rape to consent!

Moses on March 18, 2013 at 8:05 pm

had a 2 year expat assignment in trollhättan, sweden and on my very last night there, while waiting at the bus stop with my big jethro luggage for the trip to the airport, i was approached by a gang of muslims… one of them was talking to me in swedish and i had no idea what he was saying. another guy behind me was kicking my luggage. i was scared sh*tless and was actually planning to blot right into traffic to escape, leaving them my luggage… it was right about that moment that a group of swedish skinheads began trotting across the town square towards the bus stop. they didn’t seem interested in my and were quite irritated by the muslims apparently on their turf. the leader of the skinheads was a very big guy and as he was angirly gesturing at the muslims i could see metal spikes, about an inch long, driven thru the webbing between his fingers. about this time, the bus pulls up… “excuse me… pardon me… ok then, have a good night”, as i made my way past a few of them onto the bus. people on the bus were glued to the glass because it was obvious what was going on.

i never looked back as the bus pulled away.

kirche on March 18, 2013 at 9:59 am

I like living in America.

Gerald on March 18, 2013 at 10:03 am

me too, Gerald.

but i wanted to get that international experience on the old resume.

kirche on March 18, 2013 at 10:29 am

@kirche:

Rats. Now you have me feeling like a slacker with no initiative.

Gerald on March 18, 2013 at 1:30 pm

Gerald – i have worked for several german companies and the opportunities come up frequently… it’s nothing i actively sought out and i know plenty of guys who’ve actively tried to get overseas assignments with no luck.

there are downsides’ to working overseas like almost being killed by a wild pack of muslims’ at the bus stop on your very last night there.

kirche on March 18, 2013 at 3:07 pm

i’ve got a bunch of good stories from my 2 year stint in sweden, other than my last night there when i nearly pee’d myself.

of course, i’d arrived on the coldest day ever recorded in southern sweden. my apartment was 2 miles from the bus stop and i had to make that icy walk twice a day. actually, did a lot of walking and lost about 30 lbs while there. swedish food is awful EXCEPT for any fish dish… and potato dish. swedish beer “norlands guld” was tought to choke down, even when icy cold, but the swedes loved it because it was cheap. i drank guiness exclusively. luckily, there were several other americans assigned to saab at the same time and we all hung out together. the best part was the german engineering company that i was working for, had two company cars the employees could use on the weekends, all you had to do was sign up for them and return them full of gas. none of the young german guys’ wanted to drive the old, beaten up opel corsa, with no hubcaps, so i had this thing at my disposal nearly every weekend. i drove the 6 hours to stockholm each weekend, usually with an american pal or two, and we had a great time. stockholm is like a euro-scandinavian new york city, but much more beautiful, and that was the only thing i liked about that frozen sh*thole of a country.

funniest thing that happened to me there: first spring day i was sitting in the town square on a bench and feeling the warm sun on my face. along comes this street person, a woman in her 30’s who obviously was living a rough life, and she was angling for some cash so she could buy some beer. i gave her some money and she walks away. after she’d long left, two of my pals arrive and we’re shooting the breeze. next thing you know, this street chick is back, sits down next to me on the bench… my pals already had the “WTF” look on their faces… she unzips her backback and hands me a beer. i had no idea she was getting beer for us both but i had my poker face on, cracked open my sh*tty norlands guld and took a big gulp like i’d just got it out of my own fridge.

kirche on March 18, 2013 at 10:18 am

@Red Ridy,
It’s nothing personal, it’s just that you’re a phony.

I don’t want to hear again from you that everything would have worked out much better if America had stayed out of WW II and let Hitler win because +- 50 million people died.

A huge proportion of those people would have died under Hitler, Stalin and the Japanese no matter what the Allies did. I already mentioned that previously on another post. Are you stupid or what?

I think we all know that the complicity of Rome with Nazi Jewish identification procedures seemed very “prudent” at the time. It might be “prudent” for you to shut up.

Please stop blathering on about the crusades which happened way back before Robin Hood was prancing around in tights. Are you looking for brownie points?

Frankz on March 18, 2013 at 6:20 pm

Its time to boycott Swedish goods.

skai on March 18, 2013 at 7:20 pm

Sweddish government has no brains

Clinton Alexander on March 19, 2013 at 2:42 am

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