I had to look twice at the pictures side by side of B.O. and Simmons. It’s not everyday you see two prized turds like that so close together!

Joe on July 25, 2009 at 3:26 am

Are you actually trying to say that the President hates police?

Nakruh01 on July 25, 2009 at 4:21 am

Small details like this, always ignored by most media, are often very revealing, a hole in the phoney image created by public figures with the aid of ”media consultants” that allows us to see the real person. Even if Obama was not aware of this, it does reveal the mentality of many of his supporters. Obama is a racist quite willing to stereotype white people or interpret events through the eyes of people like his friend Rev. Wright.

Terry, Eilat - Israel on July 25, 2009 at 8:54 am

Wow, Debbie. You’re a bigger idiot than I thought.

Russell Simmons had nothing to do with N.W.A.’s “F___ the Police”. Dr. Dre produced that song.

And the lyrics that Charlton Heston is reading are not from “F___ the Police”-in fact, they’re not even from a rap song. They’re from “Cop Killer”, by Ice-T’s heavy-metal side project, Body Count (and I know Ice-T is a rapper, but Body Count isn’t rap).

S: Simmons had a lot to do with that song. See the update above. And the Heston video was supposed to be a joke. I guess you didn’t get it. As I added, Heston did read the lyrics of the song to a Congressional Committee, but I couldn’t find that video. DS

Proud Slayer Fan on July 25, 2009 at 10:21 am

Yo Proud Slayer Fan, you MY nigga:)

WE know that Russell Simmons is behind such subversive rap like “My Adidas” and you gotta cut Debbie and her Aryan Brotherhood fans some slack…to THEM rap is like Nigroes…it’s all alike!

SHE might find THIS interesting though [from Wikipedia]: Simmons has since gained attention by calling for the removal of the words ‘nigga’, ‘bitch’ and ‘ho’ from the “clean” radio edited versions of rap songs[10].
In July 2007, Simmons, frustrated that the Howard Stern Show would not book him as a guest to promote his recent book, vented on the Jay Thomas radio show by calling Howard Stern a nigger and bad mouthing Stern show producer Gary Dell’Abate. When Stern heard this, he called Simmons a hypocrite for using the word nigger and immediately booked Simmons for the show on July 24, 2007 to talk about this. The two are now friends…[the last part is a travesty…Stern don’t know how to FEUD no more:(]

EminemsRevenge on July 25, 2009 at 12:49 pm

I would say that President Obama jumped into an incident feet first without looking or thinking during his last press conference. Also, his immediate reaction toward the incident, which even he admitted he had little information on, was quite telling. Now, after the facts come out, Mr. Obama is trying to backtrack from his nationally televised racial rant, and claims to be amazed that what he said was considered to be a big deal. Well, when the President of the United States basically calls a police officer and his department stupid racists on prime time national television, that does tend to prick up one’s ears. I thought President Obama had finally put away the race card(at least its explicit use), but apparently I am mistaken. Could his animosity toward the police stem from his experiences during his drug user/drug dealing days?

Sorrow01 on July 25, 2009 at 1:03 pm

At least we HAVE a President who’s willing to walk back a statement. It’s refreshing after the past 8 years.

And that’s hilarious that she would tie Russell Simmons to NWA when everyone knows that it was we Jews who are responsible for the labels that NWA were on(K-Tel founders Philip and Ted Kives ponied up half of the startup money for Priority Records and Jerry Heller was CEO and co-founder of Ruthless Records, the labels that Straight Out of Compton was released on. Heller’s partner? The former drug dealer Eazy-E. Heller was also NWA’s manager). I guess that proves that we Jews hate the police and take dirty drug money which is a slap in the face to clean police everywhere (at least using DS’s logic).

Gee, I now hate myself since I think it’s horrible to find out how we *really* feel about the police.

Shame to have to post this on the Sabbath.

PS, I’ll bet Obama was really sweaty after personally putting those Porta-Potties up.

DW: When in doubt, blame the Jews. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Are you a secret member of the Nturei Karta rabbis (who are best buds with Ahmadinejad)?

Simmons had a lot to do with that song. See the update, above, in this post. DS

dw on July 25, 2009 at 2:07 pm

While I can’t stand Obama’s pandering to Islamists, and I think he is the wrong person to lead America, PREZ OBAMA has to be commended for interceding, personally, and quickly, to further defuse the Crowley-Gates Jr. arrest incident.

And the gathering fall-out.

Obama’s apologetic (and that’s exactly what it was, forget Obama’s denying Demspeak) phone call to the offended Cambridge police sergeant; offense that the US prez had personally contributed to, was the biggest step in the right direction.

Police Sgt. Crowley suggesting the Prez invite him, and Prof. Gates Jr., to the White House for a “peace” beer is also highly commendable.

People, black or white, will follow real peacemaking examples, not talk.

Sharing highly publicized White House beers will aid in bringing more racial unity, probably, than any other gesture, at this point in time. Traditionally, shared meals implied there was a degree of acceptance of all parties at sup… but this is the modern, pagan world, and there isn’t time for anything more than beers.

Prof. Gates is being called upon, right now, to also lead in this process of healing and nation-building, in still divided America.

And only he, can positively complete that process, at his personal point, in American history.

And DEMOCRAT COMMUNITY LEADERS putting LATRINES over the Portland Police Memorial, which somberly honours the city’s 25 fallen officers, who were killed in the line of duty, is an OUTRAGE. FOR SURE!!

Sorry, your hot air campaigning could never justify such an act. At any point in time.

Only Democrats could conceive, and execute, such an action, and then; “wipe their mouths, and ask, what’s wrong?”

The Canadien on July 25, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Sorry, there were no apologies:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/07/24/Obama-backpedals-on-scholar-arrest-comment/UPI-50431248464991/

President Obama is engaging in damage control, and is not doing it very well.

Sorrow01 on July 25, 2009 at 3:17 pm

Obamas been a disgrace from the word go. This story could’ve been viewed as a small inconsistant occurance except he’s been so deceptive his whole career. He got his senate seat by claiming no attacks on the family and run a clean campaign. He then has his peeps unseal SEALED divorce records of his opponent. Then uses the ammo from that to take the seat. His own bro is in Africa living like a peasant, his aunt is illegally here. He refuses to show a real birth certificate and we’re supposed to look at a birth announcement in an old newspaper. Look at the real controversies. He was a lousy community organizer for crying out loud. He’s in the race biz. He hangs with Jeremiah Wright, even though his mom was white and his grand parents that actually raised his stinking a– were white. What’s he do? Joins a racist black church and moans about social justice and wealth redistribution. Too bad he didn’t stay the post racial candidate but then again he never was. The nutty professor should’ve lost his job for conduct unbecoming a faculty member(if there is such a thing for a libtard). Then again look at Bill Ayers!!!

Joe on July 25, 2009 at 3:17 pm

Libs hate it when they’re smacked with facts so there they is.

Joe on July 25, 2009 at 3:19 pm

JOE—Like all neo-cons, you wouldn’t KNOW a FACT if it crapped in your mouth. Social justice and wealth redistribution???

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=25&version=9

Methinks it’s built into the religion IF you’re following what JC said!

EminemsRevenge on July 25, 2009 at 3:39 pm

Take stuff out of context, M. That’s what libtards do. Usually the rabid race card players are the ones that have the breath of dog crap and spittle around the edges of they mouts.

I notice you didn’t address the Bill Ayers, Wright, or crooked senate race. Well done.

Joe on July 25, 2009 at 4:24 pm

If you’re trying to infer that the Bible encourages a welfare state, you’re wrong. Jesus said, “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a life time.” Doesn’t sound like welfare to me. You can cherry pick all day you just make yourself look bad.

I have a life. It’s a nice day. Holla.

Joe on July 25, 2009 at 4:38 pm

If everybody would just face facts and stop being stupid, what a wonderful world it would be.
Obama’s Pastor and his mentor “James Cone” are both America haters, and white man haters. Now, if Obama sat there for 20yrs. wouldn’t logic tell you that he must agree with them?
He is bend on destroying America…

Scott on July 25, 2009 at 4:55 pm

Alan Keyes has it right again. Sounds like the Cynthia McKinney incident where she shoved a Capitol security guard because she didn’t have her Congressional ID pin. Hypersensitive brainwashed “victimized” African Americans trying to make the rest of America feel guilty.

FLASHBACK:McKinney apologizes for scuffle with officer

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/06/mckinney/index.html

CaliforniaScreaming on July 25, 2009 at 5:47 pm

I’m sure that when the Sabbath is up, Debbie will be as gracious at retracting her false information about Russell Simmons as Obama was about walking back his unfortunate use of the word “stupidly” and she might even use a gazillion steps as well.

After all, we should ALL “face facts”, right? I can’t even accuse her of “taking stuff out of context” since the “stuff” was patently incorrect.

And I wish that more conservatives were like The Canadien and have a little grace with their criticisms instead of seeing everything in black and white (pun intended). It was refreshing to read The Canadien’s post in this forum. I only hope that I haven’t damaged The Canadien’s cred :chuckle:.

dw: I repeat, read my update above. Russell Simmons was very involved in promoting and praising the song, saying it was one of his most thrilling moments. DS

dw on July 25, 2009 at 5:56 pm

Test

CaliforniaScreaming on July 25, 2009 at 11:14 pm

Alan Keyes has it right again. Sounds like the Cynthia McKinney incident where she shoved a Capitol security guard because she didn’t have her Congressional ID pin. Hypersensitive brainwashed “victimized” African Americans trying to make the rest of America feel guilty.

FLASHBACK:McKinney apologizes for scuffle with officer

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/06/mckinney/index.html

CaliforniaScreaming on July 25, 2009 at 11:22 pm

Obama is a shameful racist

Vegan conservative on July 26, 2009 at 12:18 am

LOVE the new format!!!

sharon on July 26, 2009 at 12:24 am

Hey Makrouh,

I know what the nickname your using means in arabic. It means HATED!

Why don’t you take your hate and leave the USofA to people who believe in a God of Love, not your god of hate?

If America is such a terrible place, why are you bedouins leaving your “paradise” and coming here? Is it because you want to multiply here like cockroaches?

May God protect us from the Devil worshippers who cal what they do a religion.

God&America on July 26, 2009 at 1:19 am

Debbie, I love the new website design.

BTW, sorry for the errors in my last post (i.e. using “your” instead of you’re, and “cal” instead of call).

What happened to the preview-before-submit choice in the comment mechanism?

God&America on July 26, 2009 at 1:23 am

Please explain to me how someone can be arrested for being disorderly in their OWN home. I dont doubt Gates tried to bait the cop and most likely overreacted. But when 2 little children r fighting, one person has to be the adult and walk away. Not abuse the power given to him by the government to prop up his ego. I dont think the cop was a racist, but he DID “act stupidly”. He is just an empowered idiot!

Dave on July 26, 2009 at 1:52 am

The fact that this has turned into a race issue….which was brought up by the ‘professor’ and our noob president, just shows who the racists truly are here….

Any wonder why I’m not well liked by some of my ‘fellow’ blacks? I’m a young black guy who has far too long been misrepersented among mainstream in my ethcity.

So when I hear a story about this and how our own president and the media makes into some kind of race issue (when race had not a damn thing to do with it), it just makes me more glad everyday that I’m my own person. Sorry people, I refuse to be what you think blacks should be according to the mainstream.

Squirrel3D on July 26, 2009 at 2:52 am

‘THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME’… Sure? Right? Why didn’t the Distinguished Professor knock on a neighbors door, ask them to call the police, and have the police break into his house? Huh?

RoadsScholar on July 26, 2009 at 1:39 pm

why must blacks turn the normal functioning of society in to race issues all the time. The police have a job to do and with high crime affecting everyone they have become more vigilant. With blacks committing a disproportionate amount of crime then it is only natural the police will watch them more closely. It’s not racism but a natural reaction to the reality of criminal behavior.

Chuck on July 26, 2009 at 2:03 pm

Professor Gates is one of so many knee-jerk liberal stuffed shirts who is going to play the race/victim card at every opportunity they perceive to present itself. While not as vocal or vulgar as say, a Jeremiah Wright, he is still part and parcel of those who will never let any kidn of healing happen while decrying that there is no healing. It’s time for everyone to drop this crap, becuase it should be gettign clearer to any and all how hypocritical they are. In this case, it backfired because the “target” they chose- Sgt. Crowley- happens to be the telflon mirror. Even the Obamessiah knew he stepped in it when he put forth his comments regardign “stupidity in the Cambridge Police force”. Now he’s going to backpedal as fast as he can, but still will try to do what liberals always do when corneded- never take the blame alone. You’ll never hear a “Mea Culpa” from the left- the best you can expect is a “Nosta Culpa”- spread the wealth, spread the blame, right?

Mistress_Dee on July 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Figures a B.O. supporter would know so much about the Soviet system! LOL Poor dw. Trapped inside a Soviet mindset in a free country. Talk about self induced torture.

Joe on July 26, 2009 at 2:19 pm

“Figures a B.O. supporter would know so much about the Soviet system! LOL Poor dw. Trapped inside a Soviet mindset in a free country. Talk about self induced torture”.

As I always say, “Know thine enemy”. Especially when you’re in a foxhole across an East German border from them.

What’s sad is when folks like you don’t even know that you are exactly what you hate. You have met the enemy and they are YOU.

Now, any comments about Deb getting it so wrong and covering it up?

I didn’t think so.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm

You are the enemy within. You are who the Russians were referring to when they said they’d rot our country from within.

Debbie rectified the promotion of the song by your homie.

I worked with several blacks and hispanics that even after listening to the words of Cop Killer, were fans of the hate artist, whoever the hack was. That just shows that stupidity is resistant to logic. Like your post.

Joe on July 26, 2009 at 2:38 pm

Listen to interview of Gates from 99 where he uses the phrase “whitey” and “crackers”…so who IS the racist?

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/07/24/Delving-into-Gates-arrest/1248488162.html

Greg Goss on July 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm

“Figures a B.O. supporter would know so much about the Soviet system! LOL Poor dw. Trapped inside a Soviet mindset in a free country. Talk about self induced torture”.

I thought I’d apply this logic to someone we all know.

Figures a B.O. hater would know so much about Islam! LOL Poor ds. Trapped inside a Islamic mindset in a free country. Talk about self induced torture.

Hey Joe, thanks for clarifying everything!

dw on July 26, 2009 at 2:40 pm

“You are the enemy within. You are who the Russians were referring to when they said they’d rot our country from within.

Debbie rectified the promotion of the song by your homie”.

Yeah, just like Stalin “rectified” history.

“I worked with several blacks and hispanics that even after listening to the words of Cop Killer, were fans of the hate artist, whoever the hack was. That just shows that stupidity is resistant to logic. Like your post”.

“Logic” is in short supply around here, so I can understand how you aren’t quite sure of what “logic” means.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 2:44 pm

I am wondering how people can actually defend Obama and his STUPID remarks. He didn’t have all the facts about the incident between Gates and Sgt Crowley. It seems to me to be Obama’s StandardOperating Procedure: Take action before knowing the facts or reading the legislation. And if you don’t agreee with the ObamaMessiah, you are a racist.

BTW – I have never owned a slave and the best friends I had in the Marine Corps were black.

Jarhead on July 26, 2009 at 4:12 pm

Just came here to point some things out:

In your original post, you said that Russell Simmons produced “F___ the Police”. That’s completely different than simply praising the song and saying you’re a fan (and considering the history of police brutality against innocent black people, even though I don’t condone the message of the song, I completely understand).

Proud Slayer Fan on July 26, 2009 at 4:18 pm

“I am wondering how people can actually defend Obama and his STUPID remarks. He didn’t have all the facts about the incident between Gates and Sgt Crowley. It seems to me to be Obama’s StandardOperating Procedure: Take action before knowing the facts or reading the legislation. And if you don’t agreee with the ObamaMessiah, you are a racist.

BTW – I have never owned a slave and the best friends I had in the Marine Corps were black”.

Well, fellow vet, I’d say that the only stupid thing that Obama said was the “stupidly” comment (a comment that even DS has said that he walked back). Frankly, Crowley *did* do something wrong, despite his denial to the contrary – he allowed himself to be baited and he used his position of power to punish someone for “backtalk”, something that a good policeman doesn’t do. Policemen are called upon many times to *defuse* a potentially hazardous situation, and this was hardly the case here. Had he walked away, it would have only been Gates who would have been seen as “stupid”.

Obama admitted his bias upfront, so his comments get to be seen in that light. Nothing wrong with that. What was wrong of Obama was using the word “stupidly”. And he obviously gets that and he’s owned up to it. And he’s setting the right tone at this point. If Crowley would admit that he might have handled it better, and get Gates to admit that he acted like an ass and a provocateur, it would be perfect. Will that happen? I dunno.

And, we on the left suffer the mirror fate that you talk about re. agreeing with Obama – if we don’t agree with the agenda and the mindset of the right (especially the far right), we are communists or communist sympathizers or believe that America is evil (all things that this groundpounder has been accused of during participation in this blog).

Incidentally, one of my closest friends is a guy I served with back in the 80s who ended up getting his commission after I left, leaving the Army as an LT for a long time because of health issues only to return a couple of years ago after getting his health issues resolved and is now probably the oldest (and one of the newest) Captains in the Army, having only gotten his promotion a couple of months ago at the age of almost 50). He’s in military intelligence and is probably about as right wing as DS. And yet, I’m still his friend and we can have spirited conversations about political and social issues and we don’t accuse each other of false motives or false thoughts, although he jokingly refers to me as a commie pinko and I kiddingly refer to him as a jack-booted thug.

If only there was more of this. Especially around here.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 4:37 pm

dw

I understand your point, but you don’t get belligerent with the guys who take an oath to protect and serve the community. Even IF the cop was wrong, you can still work it out in another way that isn’t as “In Your Face” like Gates was. Did the Sgt taze Gates? Did the Sgt say something about Gates’ mamma? No, he was just doing his job in a professional manner. I was once arrested by a black cop, and I didn’t call him a racist out to get whitie.

This racial stuff has to stop. Believe it or not, us White Male Christians are the most discriminated people in the good ole U S of A. I was an NCO in the Corps who wanted to go to OCS. They wouldn’t take me because there weren’t enough Hispanics in OCS at the time. I worked at a gov’t contractor and was denied a promotion because not enough minorities were in the position that I worked very hard to try to attain. I had to work with black people who were only hired because of quotas. I had to work with minorities who were promoted just because of their race and weren’t qualified to do the job. I had to have a certain GPA from a certified university to just get an interview at a company, but these blacks went to a watered down uncertified black college and did not have a GPA that met the company’s standards. They did poorly at the job, but were still kept on because of their minority status. We should rate people based on their abilities and contributions, not by their skin color. I have worked very hard to get where I am today, WITHOUT the gov’t giving me handouts.

Jarhead on July 26, 2009 at 5:08 pm

dw, You are so full of it. Every cop has to take all backtalk all the time, is what I can infer from your post. When an officer has to handle a situation and make peace, that officer has the discretion given to him by the people to make that arrest when someone is not obeying orders of an officer. I have been in instances where an officer will order you to do something. You must follow that order. Hence disorderly conduct if you don’t. If he was told to shut up because other officers are trying ascertain the situation then he is hampering an investigation. Many officers came. Many officers have to understand why they were called and log it. From the evidence he wouldn’t shut up and kept calling him a racist. What responsibilty did Gates show? Why did he state that if it was an African-American officer he wouldn’t have been arrested? Does he use the race card when confronted by White officers? Did Gates racially profile Crowley as a racist? Crowley had the discretion and used it. Why give officers discrestion if they can’t use it? They can’t have judgement? Do you want officers to have no judgement? The only part I had a problem with Crowley was him not giving up his name and badge number. All officers are accountable as well. If that was the whole point of Gates rage then I can see why he would be upset. But what I hear is his tantrum of being Black and living in America. But I think all this racial profiling was BS it was more an issue of pompous professor who wouldn’t shut up when told to during an investigation.
As for KING HUSSEIN COBRAMA he should have recused himself and the question was a set-up even making the whole situation worse. This man made a small issue even worse because he claims he is post racial when he is most passive-aggressive about race. He condemns all officers of racial profiling when officers are trained against racial profiling while he never talks about Blacks using the race card to disarm officers from using criminal profiling. Criminal profiling is necessary to understand who might be a suspect but Black activists want no criminal profiling lumping it all as racial profiling. COBRAMA uses this type of “we have a history” BS to paint everyone with racist leanings. Because we cant deny history so it must be TRUE.

CaliforniaScreaming on July 26, 2009 at 5:38 pm

“I understand your point, but you don’t get belligerent with the guys who take an oath to protect and serve the community”

I totally agree. That’s why I said that Gates acted “stupidly”. and yet, it’s hard to deny that the Sgt. could have easily just walked away, leaving Gates to rant on his front porch. He could have hung nearby to make sure that he didn’t incite a riot from the 10 or so radical neighbors who had gathered. At that point, he could have taken more aggressive action. No, it’s clear that he let his own temper get away from him.

“Even IF the cop was wrong, you can still work it out in another way that isn’t as “In Your Face” like Gates was”.

Agreed. that’s sort of what I’m saying. The policeman should have found a way to defuse the situation, ESPECIALLY if he was a “sensitivity” trainer.

I understand the frustration in the rest of your comments. I also remember that many good NCOs and officers were also denied promotion back in the Reagan days when he wanted to plow loads of military money into Star Wars. When I went through basic training, soldiers were bailing left and right because their promotions were put on hold because of “budgetary constraints” (this during the Reagan Administration!) Yeah yeah, I know that you might blame it on Congress, but it’s pretty clear that it was Star Wars that was crowding out the “professional class” of the Army (can’t speak to the marines, tho).

So, there’s plenty of this sort of thing going around.

PS, when I went through basic training, there was one Puerto Rican who endered with me as a one striper (hell, I came in as an E-3 because of having some college) and could barely speak English. By the time that my enlistment was up (4 years), he was up for the E-6 board (almost unheard of). He did it through hard work, some mentoring from an E-5 and, single-mindedly pursueing his goal. and his English has dramatically improved :chuckle:.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm

CaliforniaScreaming wrote:

” Every cop has to take all backtalk all the time, is what I can infer from your post”.

I can’t be responsible for your own spin.

“When an officer has to handle a situation and make peace, that officer has the discretion given to him by the people to make that arrest when someone is not obeying orders of an officer”.

The key word is “discretion”. Police use it all of the time, many times to defuse a situation. Admit it, he only arrested Gates because he was mad at what was said to him. To me, that’s not a good enough reason.

“Why did he state that if it was an African-American officer he wouldn’t have been arrested”?

One might very well ask why one of the black cops who came to his defense after the weird police associations press conference (where they trotted out a bunch of Irish cops but didn’t have any blacks actually speak on the podium but let one stand there as a token) and who was on the scene admit that it would have probably turned out different if HE had been the policeman who answered the car initially. that’s an interesting question.

Let’s not forget that I said that Gates acted stupidly, jet lag or not.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 6:00 pm

dw, I doubt you are being muzzled. I think Debbie likes spirited debate. Hell Eminems Revenge is on this page. LOL!! She took off my WorldNetDaily link, but that is her beef with WND and they are conservative. She doesn’t want any traffic going there from her website. As for Huffington Post and the Daily Beast I have been kicked off several times from the moderator using different ISPs and usernames. They don’t like a different point of view and I started posting links that are contrary to liberal beliefs and you will be banished.

CS: Let’s get something straight. We don’t allow links to sites that deliberately steal my work. As you well know, WND has done this repeatedly, and its gay fraud of a “writer” Aaron Klein and its owner Joseph Farah have admitted to doing so. They’ve repeatedly outright stolen from me and others, and when they’re not stealing, they’re making things up.

You know better than to link to that site. It is NOT conservative, unless stealing property and fabricating is “conservative” these days. DS

CaliforniaScreaming on July 26, 2009 at 6:00 pm

dw wrote

“When I went through basic training, soldiers were bailing left and right because their promotions were put on hold because of “budgetary constraints”

I served under the Honorable President’s Reagan and Bush 41 in the Corps. Even though the OCS stuff did happen, us non-rates were promoted based on achievements, ability and time in rank. I never heard of one person bailing based on budgetary constraints, at least not in the Corps. BTW, we made so little money (as a Private I made $600.00 a month) in 1984 that your assertion of budgetary constraints is ludicrous.

Also, those supposed soldiers that were bailing, I bet they were non-hackers who didn’t put in the effort required to move up in rank. Every part of the armed forces have these types, and they needed to be weeded out anyway.

Jarhead on July 26, 2009 at 6:24 pm

Obviously it isn’t spin. You made no clarifications on your statement and that is all I can deduce.

Discretion goes both ways. So officers can’t have discretion? That was my point they should have discretion. I want officers to use discretion and judgement after all it is THEIR life they put on the line to protect the community.

There you guys go again. Calling him a token. I cant believe you posted that. You didn’t state that if Gates acted the same way he would arrested him as well. If Gates reaction changes based on the color of the officer then who is profiling whom?

When officers are in the field, they MUST have total confidence in other officers to have their back. Who would want a f*cking token to have your back. Is “token” all you got? That is pretty WEAK. That is so early 1990s.

CaliforniaScreaming on July 26, 2009 at 6:27 pm

To Jarhead:

“I served under the Honorable President’s Reagan and Bush 41 in the Corps. Even though the OCS stuff did happen, us non-rates were promoted based on achievements, ability and time in rank. I never heard of one person bailing based on budgetary constraints, at least not in the Corps. BTW, we made so little money (as a Private I made $600.00 a month) in 1984 that your assertion of budgetary constraints is ludicrous”.

Yep, I made about the same thing as an E-3 in 1984.

It WASN’T ludicrous. There was a hold on promotions toward the end of my basic training. It was the exact opposite as “stop-loss”. It even had a technical name like stop loss that I can’t remember right now.

It was said at the time that it was due to “budgetary constraints”. This was about the same time that Star Wars was getting rolling. Once can only guess why promotions were being held up because of “budgetary constraints” during one of the most military-friendly administrations. I’m guessing that it was due to pressure for spending on high-tech warfare instead of boots on the ground.

“Also, those supposed soldiers that were bailing, I bet they were non-hackers who didn’t put in the effort required to move up in rank”.

They COULDN’T move up in ranks. Promotions were frozen.

“Every part of the armed forces have these types, and they needed to be weeded out anyway”.

Hell, I only went to Corporal. I was promoted once in four years. But that was by my own choice as I wasn’t intending to make the military my career. Whereas my buddy who went to OSC at the end of the four year enlistment made a different choice and I applaud him for that. Of course, he doesn’t discount MY service to the country that I love simply because I limited my military service to a single 4 year term.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 6:47 pm

“Discretion goes both ways. So officers can’t have discretion? That was my point they should have discretion. I want officers to use discretion and judgement after all it is THEIR life they put on the line to protect the community”.

You and I are saying EXACTLY the same thing. Discretion isn’t just discretion to arrest. It’s also discretion to know when arresting someone is counter-productive.

Even the arresting officer said that he realized that Gates was the legal occupant of the residence. At that point, there was no admission of the officer that he was “continuing the investigation”. In fact, he says the opposite – that he was leaving and Gates followed him outside. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that Gates continued vocalizations were impeding an investigation.

The smart officer would have simply left the premises but monitored the situation to see if he calmed down in a minute or two. If he didn’t, then arrest him for disturbing the peace. That would have been just fine.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 6:53 pm

dw, It seems to me that you don’t see a racial profiling problem. That was the whole reason MSM made this an issue. So therefore if it isn’t about racial profiling then we don’t have a “teachable moment”

CaliforniaScreaming on July 26, 2009 at 8:00 pm

“dw, It seems to me that you don’t see a racial profiling problem”.

That’s correct. I don’t think that the officer was engaged in racial profiling, nor was Gates correct in calling him a “rogue officer”. And Obama has discounted both impressions in his Friday press conference.

“That was the whole reason MSM made this an issue”.

It wouldn’t have even gotten that far without the participation of the officer and his actions in arresting Gates.

“So therefore if it isn’t about racial profiling then we don’t have a “teachable moment””

And yet, the “teachable moment” isn’t defined by the “mainstream media”. It is *certainly* a teachable moment. and both sides will hopefully learn from it. And maybe we will too.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 8:39 pm

Wow. Interesting battle of (nit) wits between dw and jarhead. Soldiers didn’t “leave” because promotions were stalled, but were forced out because of the “up or out” policy while simultaneously raising promotion points needed. It was a sneaky way of eliminating higher-paid NCOs and replacing them with cheaper recruits who were clamoring to get in in a poor economy.

DS_ROCKS! on July 26, 2009 at 8:41 pm

“Wow. Interesting battle of (nit) wits between dw and jarhead. Soldiers didn’t “leave” because promotions were stalled, but were forced out because of the “up or out” policy while simultaneously raising promotion points needed. It was a sneaky way of eliminating higher-paid NCOs and replacing them with cheaper recruits who were clamoring to get in in a poor economy”.

I.E. budget constraints.

Sounds like a flaky way to run an Army. Get rid of your experienced soldiers and replace them with green ones, all the while funneling your money into pie-in-the-sky high-tech space wars programs.

Or, alternately, you could call it the Romney way of “fixing a business” and “creating jobs”.

dw on July 26, 2009 at 8:51 pm