Wake up, America!

BB on June 23, 2009 at 12:40 pm

Why are they always saying that young Iranians are pro-American?

sandy on June 23, 2009 at 12:47 pm

Are you saying these people are no different than the fundamentalists that overthrew the Shaw? From what I’ve been reading, a lot of these people are scared of the fundamentalists. I don’t have a pie in the sky notion that we are going to be buddy buddy anytime soon. Still it seems like there is a clear right and wrong side here. And no, I’m not talking about who is going to be president but rather the control the clerics have. Not to mention any discord they have there hopefully slows their activities in the rest of the ME.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKUZuv6_bus

ryukyu on June 23, 2009 at 12:48 pm

I believe the point is that trading one America bashing, Jew hating puppet of the mullahs for another America bashing, Jew hating mullah puppet doesn’t make much difference. The only thing that might make a real difference is if Iranians have a secular revolution, and get rid of shaaria based laws.

Doda McCheesle on June 23, 2009 at 12:55 pm

Republicans keep assigning values, emotions and goals to these people. I “hear” they feel this way, they’re fighting for “freedom”.
They’ve got this poor woman who was shot as their poster girl. Iranians are emailing Americans and asking for help for their cause? I can’t imagine that Muslims would “use” Americans. I can’t imagine …

JP on June 23, 2009 at 1:00 pm

I think Debbie is pointing out there is no such thing as a kinder and gentler extremist. If Mousavi was a democrat, it would be worth debating whether real change is going to happen in Iran. I think its too much to hope he could be an Iranian Gorbachev. The mullahs know what happened to the Soviet Union and since they know where reform will lead to, they will make sure he can’t even get to the levers of power. The pseudo-Khomeinists are being stiffed because the ideology is the raison d’etre of the regime. Wake the heck up! The people running Iran are extremists who prefer to have an intact regime rather than a healthy and normal country. They will not give ground and contrary to all of Obama’s efforts to appease them, they will continue to hate America and Israel and to acquire nuclear weapons. Its that simple. This “revolution” is not going to bring about a Tehran Summer.

NormanF on June 23, 2009 at 1:02 pm

I suspected as much, but thanks for confirming my suspicions.
In fact, the Shah is a self-confessed “truther,” and anti-Semite, himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgZ3oLp_WY
It’s sad that so many on the “Right” are so willing to run after ‘hope and change’ without thinking the consequences through, while (correctly) criticizing those on the Left who make that same error. I guess that’s just another reason why we’re in the mess we’re in.

yonason on June 23, 2009 at 1:47 pm

Debbie is right, but there were some protesters in the demonstrations that want a revolution that brings down the rule of the mullahs. It’s just that they are still a minority. When women are ripping off their headscarfs in demonstrations we will then know that the revolution to overthrow the Mullahs has started.

arius on June 23, 2009 at 2:09 pm

arius
When they choose another color as their symbol, then, …..m a y b e, just maybe, they might be coming to their senses. But, till then, please note that “The Color of Islam is Green”
“The color green in Islamic tradition is always linked to the Prophet Muhammad, and is therefore synonymous with Islam itself. It is used ubiquitously throughout the Islamic world, as well as in jihadi imagery, to indicate the Prophet specifically and Islam in general.”
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/imagery/imagery_other.asp
PLEASE pay CAREFUL attention to his answer when asked about “wiping Israel off the map.” He said “Right from the beginning I objected to that phrase” [i.e., he does NOT object to THE CONCEPT!], and continues… “the only way out is to refer to the ‘true inhabitants of Palestine’,” [by which he means the “Palestinian” Arabs, which means he subscribes to the lie that Jews have no place in our G-d given Land].
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlYK2bRv9bg
He is just Ahmadinejad lite.

yonason on June 23, 2009 at 2:41 pm

Yonason, you pointed out succinctly, that when it comes to Israel both Ahmedinejad and Mousavi share the same outlook. Mousavi does not object to wiping out the Jewish State; its just that he objects to Ahmedinejad’s brimstone and fire rhetoric that harms Iran and leads to its isolation. Ahmedinejad is the kind of anti-Semite who says what he means and I respect an honest enemy. I do not respect someone (a faux extremist but still an anti-Semite all the same) who talks softly and then will proceed to kill me when he thinks no one is looking. When it comes to this power struggle, Israel rightly prefers the truly original Islamic madman. It will be that much easier to act against Iran when the time has come to do so.

NormanF on June 23, 2009 at 3:23 pm

NormanF
Excellent summary.

yonason on June 23, 2009 at 3:41 pm

I am supposed to “care” about Iranians?
If you save them from their very own tyrant, what US interest does that promote?
I look, and I KNOW that each one of them has the same goal: they want to kill the Saturday people first, the Sunday people second. That means they want to either saw off my head, tie me up and throw me off a building, hang me upside down and rape me until I die from internal bleeding, or torture me using their torture manual, then kill me.
Why should I care that savages are being brutal to each other?

GOLDENMIKE4393 on June 23, 2009 at 4:19 pm

I found a reason to give a rat’s ass:
In spreading disorder, Iran’s nuclear assets are matter of concern
Kh-55 nuclear warhead model
As the Islamic Republic slides deeper into unrest, the fate of Iran’s nuclear resources is becoming a pressing matter of concern, Washington sources reported Friday, June 19. Iran’s nuclear program is far more advanced than generally acknowledged in the West; so is its ballistic missile development. Should factional strife or civil war paralyze central government, those assets would become vulnerable.
Iran has accumulated a mountain of nuclear data and a large staff of scientists working inter alia on enriched uranium. Facing opposition in Pakistan, al Qaeda might find Iran a tempting proposition. Its tacticians have long shown an aptitude for operational opportunism; more than once they managed to about-turn and relocate jihadi manpower to new arenas more rapidly than the transfer of Western forces.
This situation has a nightmarish precedent. After the collapse of the Soviet empire in the early 90s, it later transpired that at least 12 nuclear cruise missiles and four Kh-55 nuclear warheads were stolen from the Russian stockpile in the Ukraine and reached the hands of Iran and China who copied their nuclear technology. And scores of “nuclear suitcases” designed as tactical weapons for Russian special forces vanished and were never traced.
Iran lacks nuclear products of this level of sophistication but it has accumulated a large quantity of enriched uranium and valuable prototypes of nuclear devices and warheads, ballistic missiles and a great deal of know-how for making “dirty bombs.” In a breakdown of order in Iran, those scientists may well decide to take off and peddle their nuclear trove to the highest bidder. The strained relations between the Islamic regime and Washington have made it impossible for the administration to access any leading Iranian official to help prevent Iran’s nuclear resources from reaching the wrong hands.
President Barak Obama is under pressure at home to extend more forceful encouragement to the protest movement rather than placating the regime.

GOLDENMIKE4393 on June 23, 2009 at 4:40 pm

GoldenMike , in the unlikely event the regime disintegrates, it will either transfer its nuclear know-how to other radical regimes or permit its scientists to freelance for terrorist groups. These are not people who as we’ve seen, are restrained by their own laws, moral compunctions or world opinion. Just the opposite. If there was a real revolution against the Islamic Republic in Iran, it would be one thing. Exchanging Ahmedinejad for Mousavi would be no improvement and fortunately, the regime is not interested in playing musical chairs just to butter up to the fools and dilettantes in the West who ought to know better – but don’t.

NormanF on June 23, 2009 at 5:22 pm

Regardless of which group controls Iran, both want us DEAD.

GOLDENMIKE4393 on June 23, 2009 at 6:25 pm

Even Western Europe is going crazy about this, but they could have cared less when Saddam killed the Kurds. People are just sheep. It’s so disheartening to see Republicans are the same trendy bandwagon jumpers as the liberals.

JP on June 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm

Hi Debbie!
Far be it for me to steal a good idea from a friend. However, since she didn’t give me permission to use her name publicly, suffice it to say that this is not an “original TINSC”.
“The turmoil in Iran is like a ‘mob war’. No matter who wins, they’re still stuck with the ‘mob’.”
I liked that analogy.

There is NO Santa Claus on June 23, 2009 at 7:48 pm

OFF TOPIC: “The View’s” faux conservative airhead Elisabeth Hasselbeck got sued for plagiarism. It goes with the territory when you’re not an original – or deep thinker. So much of the country is shallow, lazy, uninformed and plain ignorant. Just the kind of people who watch the male-bashing yuckfest on the All Barack Companies Channel.

NormanF on June 23, 2009 at 7:50 pm

Debbie I would agree that on that there is no difference on who is in charge of Iran. Crack or Heroin? You’re still on dope.
However, it is showing the weakness of the supposed leader of the free world. KING HUSSEIN COBRAMA is a worthless, spineless leader who won’t equate what is happening to its citizens to what they would do to us or Israel if it had the chance. So now I am looking forward to seeing COBRAMA meet with Ahmadinejad with no conditions. That is a promise I want him to fulfill. His meeting with Ahmadinejad from here on out means he has blood on his hands. This is what happens when you have no convictions and wont stand for anything but yourself. Oh yeah that Cairo speech really played well with Muslims leader around the world? I mean don’t we have unclench our fists and reach out with an olive branch?
Thump, thump, thump, thump!!
What the hell was that?
That was the Iranian people under the Bus!!
Lest it be said “NOTHING STOPS THE OBAMA BUS!!”
OBAMA IS ONLY FOR OBAMA AND GET THAT STRAIGHT MUUTHA F*CKAAAAA!!

californiascreaming on June 23, 2009 at 11:32 pm