You sum it up better and more clean than any other. That’s why I am here.

I thought it would be deemed unconstitutional because it is! It’s disappointing when the Constitution does not mean a thing to the Liberal elite. What pics do they have of the Chief Justice? Did his dopey white guilt do him in? Or as you stated, he is just becoming more Liberal?

I do NOT think it will be overturned because our Conservatives are as weak as water. Look at how they are handling Holder and “Fast & Furious”. I get nauseated everyday by ignorant so-called Conservatives who think Jihad Darrell is a dragon-slayer. It’s a farce and still being covered up in a disgusting way!

America has become just too dumb. They want more of President Kardashian, “50 Shades Of Grey”, One Direction and being as mentally unstable as possible.

I love America but the atrophy is bumming me out!

Our Conservatives are weak, weak, weak. Yet the Liberals get very far as portraying them as rabidly far-right! IF. ONLY!

Skunky on June 28, 2012 at 12:29 pm

Kagan should never have been allowed to vote on this given her involvement with Obamacare, but conservatives did not push hard enough for her recusal on what now is a 5-4 decision. Idiotic. It is doubtful that Republicans will be able to repeal it because Democrats are already spending all of the money and will argue that to repeal it would do irreversible harm, and which way do you figure the SC will go on that one?

eloopd on June 28, 2012 at 12:35 pm

No, of course the Republicans will not repeal it. Romney is already saying “repeal and replace”. Replacement is, of course, open-ended if it even gets that far. The budget deal that they supported last year did not cut the deficit at all. They do nothing on any important domestic or foreign issue, and their national leadership shafts local candidates who are more aggressive.

And of course it removes one argument raised for supporting Republicans, i.e. that they will appoint strict constitutionalists to the Supreme Court. We see how that works.

And it expands more and more the freeloaders in this country, those who believe in space aliens, astrology, unlimited handouts, people who wallow in their ignorance and laziness.

The massive redistribution in income and wealth that has been going on for decades has just gotten an irreversible boost.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Debbie:

You can see where this is going.

It’s called the “Affordable Health Care Act”. Therefore, it really isn’t for the Supreme Court to judge whether it’s constitutional. It’s for the American people to judge whether it’s really “affordable”. That will be the ultimate jury.

It will take many years for people to know the answer, but Medicare already gives us a hint. Few people can afford medical care in retirement on Medicare alone. We working folks pay taxes to support Medicare while our parents and grandparents still have to pay for a health insurance plan to stay financially solvent in retirement.

In addition, I agree with you: The GOP will not repeal O’Bamacare. If they do, they’ll have to repeal the whole bill and pass new legislation to cover the parts they like. It’s too much work for those lazy scoundrels.

Like you, I didn’t know what the Supreme Court would do. I didn’t follow the issue close enough. However, I’ll say this: over the years, individuals will ultimately challenge certain aspects of O’Bamacare as it actually works; not as it was legislated. Whether these challenges will overturn the act seems unlikely, but the real constitutional problems in the act will ultimately surface. That is why the act does not take effect until 2014. By the time O’Bamacare is successfully challenged, this President will be enjoying retirement.

There is NO Santa Claus on June 28, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Several commentaries have pointed out that this is a huge tax increase as if that is a winning argument against Obama. It is not. Obama has been openly calling for tax increases all over the place, including such obscure areas as a mileage tax on vehicles, certain foods, energy, etc. In other words, ‘breathing’ taxes. He has written off any votes from the white middle class and has calculated that welfare recipients, the aged, single women, Latinos, gays, blacks, and most importantly, government employees will put him in office. Those groups love to see middle America punished by whatever means.

pat on June 28, 2012 at 12:37 pm

And the Republicans chose a presidential candidate who initiated the forerunner of Obamacare in his own state. This shows what they think of healthcare. Not to mention the scores of Republicans like Tommy Thompson who will profit from the new law. By supporting its forerunner, Romney loses whatever effectiveness he would have had if he sincerely opposed the law, rather than just executing another insincere flipflop.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Santa, Little Al & Pat, very nicely said! The first 10 posts are a nice summation of how much trouble our Liberty is in! It’s so sad!

Skunky on June 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm

i just feel like vomiting…

kirche on June 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm

As a member of the middle class, a homeowner and taxpayer who’s being squeezed out from all angles, this is a dark omen of things to come, indeed.

DS_ROCKS! on June 28, 2012 at 12:49 pm

One barometer for measuring Romney will be the Medicaid restriction that was part of the decision. Just like the ‘exception’ in the immigration law that allows states, for the moment, to check the immigration status of those it has reason to suspect are here illegally. If a few states seek to take an aggressive stance in implementing this immigration exception, how will major Republicans in congress react? I haven’t heard a word beyond generalities. This is a harbinger of what will happen.

Likewise, let’s watch Romney and the Republican Congressional leaders to see whether they will encourage states to aggressively refrain from expanding Medicaid. I’ll bet that after a day or two there will be absolute silence.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm

Eloopd, you did not pay attention to the Republican talk show pundits, the sources of money for Romney, and the numbers of Republican politicians who endorsed Romney ratably over the few months that the Republican campaign was taking place.

And we need to stop calling them RINOs. This is what the Republican party as a whole is. “Name Only” and the actual essence of the Republican Party are the same.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm

RNC chooses candidates that they know the liberal media will allow to advance- no sense in putting in someone that the media not allow to advance. All the Republican money in the world would not have stopped MSM from savaging a “true” conservative. In fact, it would have made them go after them more.

eloopd on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 pm

I will leave the legalities alone as I am not a constitutional lawyer. As for the effects of the law itself, I laugh at both sides of the debate. No matter what gets enacted or does not get enacted, health care in the future is going to suck. That is just a fact of life and nothing can change it.

The fact of the matter is that two (possibly the only two) things that make our health care system so great are also destroying it. One is that individuals and their doctors get to make health care decisions while the health insurance companies pay for it. Any economist of any political stripe will tell you that any system where one party decides how resources are allocated while another party is forced to pay for that decision is going to end up in a train wreck.

The other item is employer provided health insurance. There is simply no way American companies can compete with foreign companies that do not have to pay for their employees health care.

I_AM_ME on June 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm

I seriously have doubts this country will survive another 50 years. I hope my kids & grandkids make it, but the taxes they will pay from now on makes me cringe. The fact that the federal government can force me thru taxation to buy a product [insurance] is insane. No way in 1776 this would be true..go read history of those days and you will agree. Larry, Moe & Curly Joe could do better than these morons.

Jesse Wininger on June 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Eloopd, time to go back and get a new assignment from Romney.

What happened in Wisconsin gives the lie to your and Romney’s self-serving platitudes. If the liberal media was for anything, they were for Walker’s recall — with virtually no support from Romney, and support only from a few governors who feared for their own positions if Walker lost, he got virtually no Republican or media support, but still won.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 1:11 pm

We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.

Nikita Khrushchev

John on June 28, 2012 at 1:12 pm

I would add that health care is already so screwed up that even though Obamacare will make it look worse on paper, it really can’t get any more screwed up in practice.

The death of the medical profession started with Medicare in 1965, and it’s in its final throes now.

Red Ryder on June 28, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Wow, not sure where you came up with that as I mentioned that I was for Santorum and against Romney? You seem a little defensive there champ?

eloopd on June 28, 2012 at 1:14 pm

Don’t fret about this. Just don’t get sick and you’ll be fine. Thanks Hussein! JERK!!

David on June 28, 2012 at 1:14 pm

It is just crazy that Republicans were stupid enough to be tricked again–that they didn’t know that Roberts was a closet liberal and yet again got another Souter on the Supreme Court.

Yet another failure of the Bush administration that paved the way for the Obama administration.

John M. on June 28, 2012 at 1:17 pm

Eloopd, you say you’re for Santorum, but your attitude of political helplessness, with its related absolving of responsibility from prominent Republicans to fight for conservative positions, effectively means support for Romney.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 1:18 pm

Interesting interpretation on your part Al, and for whom will you be voting this November? Obama, Romney, or 3rd party candidate who will never get elected? At this point, we will all choose the lesser of two evils and once again hope we do not get screwed too royally.

eloopd on June 28, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Debbie,

I have already contacted my health benefits provider and informed him that I will be canceling my employees health insurance in 2014. I, as well as other employers, cannot live with the requirements to delve into the family income of our employees to figure out if we are going to pay a penalty. It will be much cheaper for us to pay the initial $2,000 per employee penalty and compensate the good employees with more pay. This is going to lead to single payer and SLAVERY of the doctors and others in the medical profession. Say goodbye to our great REPUBLIC!!

Michael on June 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm

The lesser of two evils has caused this country to drift leftwards for decades. And it will be the same under Romney.

But this decision will, indeed help the Republicans in one way — fundraising. They will start sending out letters begging for campaign money on the false pretense that they will reverse Obamacare. They won’t reverse Obamacare, but they will gouge even more money from the middle class. And one way or another, they will use the money to put their wives, girlfriends or other cronies on their payrolls. Get a clue.

And I will stay home as I did in 2008. I don’t vote for ‘evil’ candidates who are opposed to what I believe in. Are you so clueless that you still don’t understand what Republican-appointed judges have done this week?

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm

Little Al,

Life is full of hard choices. Don’t be a coward and stay home. At least try and make a difference.

Michael on June 28, 2012 at 1:32 pm

Wow Al, you must really be pissed at the decision that you are lashing out at people that have already said (obamacare will not be overturned) what you are saying now. You call others “hopeless” and then admit that you did not even vote? Dude, you really need to hit the decaf and realize I’m not the enemy.

eloopd on June 28, 2012 at 1:37 pm

I think the Republicans will try to repeal MOST of Obamacare, because as you said they won’t have the guts to repeal the “popular” portions like the slacker kid coverage. But even then I expect the Senate Dems to try to block it from moving forward. So the only way the Republicans will be able to really get rid of it is to defund those portions of HHS that apply to this law. It’ll be messy. I have to admit, I was disappointed in Roberts in these last two big decisions, but at least now I know what to expect.

Sean M on June 28, 2012 at 1:45 pm

This will be my last response to you, as you are basically on the level of those who believe in space aliens. You ignored everything I said, the most important thing of which is that Romney implemented Obamacare when he was Governor, and his advisors collaborated with the Democrats in implementing Obamacare. And yes, of course I am pissed at the decision. I am a hard-working taxpayer, and do not want to pay taxes to support socialism.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 1:45 pm

Our Constitution is worthless now. Just throw it in the trash. Between the Homeland Security Act, the Patriot Act, The NDAA, and now Obamacare, we are just serfs that better do what the Federal government tell us to. We have no constitutional protections–none. We have what the government allows us to have. Aren’t they nice. -(

The Supreme Court are just a bunch of politicians in filthy black robes. In a saner time, every one of them that voted for this would be impeached. But not today.

Farewell America, you were a great country while you lasted.

jimmyPx on June 28, 2012 at 1:46 pm

ObamaCare was never about health care. The name of the act means nothing. This is the CONTROL ACT, pure and simple. The government has bee given extraordinary powers to tax and control as never envisioned by the Founders. It is a redistribution scam.

JeffT on June 28, 2012 at 1:58 pm

Good luck to you Al, not my intent to piss you off. FYI-hurling playground invectives at those with whom you do not agree is not the same as holding an intelligent discussion and more a tactic employed by liberals. You called me hopeless for my opinions while you admit that you are so hopeful that you no longer even participate in the process. Maybe those of us still participating in the game are just spinning our wheels, but at least we are still in the game. I am hopeful that your descent into madness is short-lived and things get better for you soon.

eloopd on June 28, 2012 at 2:01 pm

I predict we’re going to be moving to a single payer health care system.

Private health insurance in this country is going to be phased out. The US Supreme Court has said government management of one-seventh of the nation’s economy is constitutional. Can the Right offer a constitutional argument against single-payer now?

No – it cannot and that’s what we’re going to get in the future. The Right is too chicken to repeal Obamacare and I don’t expect it to happen should Mitt Romney become President.

We’ll become like Canada and Europe on health care in probably about a decade. You read it here first.

NormanF on June 28, 2012 at 2:01 pm

JimmyPx–

Hate to break it to you, but ever since the Civil War, the Constitution has meant squat.

Red Ryder on June 28, 2012 at 2:01 pm

I can see it now we will end up with a single payer system. Yet we also have many exemptions with this law.

We still can’t as an individual buy health insurance across state lines. So my home state of NY will see prices increase beyond our wildest dreams. Taxes will go up and people in my state as well as others will pay the price.

Glen Benjamin on June 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm

So now that Obamacare is “legal”, how many more exemptions are going to be given out to Obama donors and cronies? There are many people that will get rich off of this, including King Hussein Obama and the First Thang.

And now that this is “legal” and everyone is supposed to get the same health care, I want to see the Obama’s at the 24 hour clinic with their kids at 3am some morning after they have been waiting 6 hours for treatment, like the rest of us little people. And when any of our military members gets a brain injury, I want to see them get the same treatment as that Congressman from AZ (Gabrielle Giffords) who got shot.

Jarhead on June 28, 2012 at 2:36 pm

This is serious and could go beyond just health care. The ability for the Feds to use coercive tactics under their powers of “taxation” has been brought to the fore today courtesy of Judge Roberts.

Speaking out against Muslims — “Hate speech taxation?”

The possibilities are legion.

Crusty on June 28, 2012 at 2:49 pm

Who cares? Barry is ILLEGAL so this “health care bill” is not legal!

Read:

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_31971.php

Fred on June 28, 2012 at 2:49 pm

The United States will now sink faster under a mountain of debt, until we cease to exist as a great nation, or even a nation. In two generations, liberals have destroyed this once great nation.

It is now time for states to seriously consider secession, in order for some less liberal regions of the country to save themselves. We don’t have to worry about liberals going to war to “save the Union,” as liberals, who consider themselves, “the best and the brightest” always let someone else sacrifice for their beliefs.

Jonathan E. Grant on June 28, 2012 at 2:51 pm

“Alito, who was sloppy seconds, after the Harriet Miers fiasco, is turning out to be the only good thing Bush did in eight years…”

That’s total bullcrap. Do the Bush tax cuts ring a bell?

FrenchKiss on June 28, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Does anybody here wonder how many companies will move more jobs overseas, or simply close shop, now that the government has imposed more social burdens upon them.

First there were racial quotas.
Next was the EPA.
Then there was OSHA.
Then there were quotas for women.
Then there was the ADA.
Then there were quotas for Hispanics.
Then there were quotas for gays.
Then there were quotas for Muslims
Then there was a higher minimum wage.
Then there was NAFTA and the “free” trade agreements.
Then there more ADA restrictions.
Then there was the Sarbanes Oxley Act.
Then there was Obama Healthcare.
Then there were higher taxes.
Then there were no more jobs left in America.

Jonathan E. Grant on June 28, 2012 at 3:01 pm

And I think that one of the most irritating and disingenuous approaches is that of a couple of the ‘conservative’ pundits. They pointed to Robert’s dictum that it is not up to the Supreme Court to judge the wisdom of legislation or public policy. They point out how wonderful this is, and how it suggests that the Supremes will limit their scope now.

But those are just comments, and not precedent-setting, and of course this cautionary not is not applied consistently. It is not applied when striking down legislation 3 days earlier trying to curb illegal immigration, nor in any of the countless other laws curbing political and social abuses that states tried to combat.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Debbie, you couldn’t have said it any better and I agree with the first 47 comments prior to mines, so I’m going to do this comment of mines, short and sweet and move onto other stuff in my life and on cyberspace.

The reason why DS didn’t talk too much about this was because she sorta knew that this socializied medicine BS would be upheld today and she didn’t go into the right-wing establishment “echo-chamber” of “yadda yadda Obamacare will be struck down today yadda yadda”, and she also pointed out a few years ago that under George Bush Jr., Bush tried to push a healthcare law similar to Obama’s, it wasn’t called “Bushcare” back then (I forgot what it was called, can any of you help me out on that?), and a number of Republicans in the house at that time did similar things to what Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the rest of the Democrats did three years ago when they wanted this crock of garbage passed onto us.

I also find it ironic that Obama and his minions are focused too much on this socialized medicine jibberish, rather than improving and fixing the economy! And we all know that the nations deficit has gone up dramatically under this charlatan of a president we have!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on June 28, 2012 at 3:51 pm

The government just got a lot more power. The government will never give up that power voluntarily. Don’t count on the so called “Tea Party candidates” a lot of them voted for the National Defense Bill to arrest citizens and hold them with out trial.

Basically it is all going to have to crash here. No one seeing it happen in past history or even today in Europe believe it will happen here. The big “to big to fail” life of denial. Once the liberals get everything they want and it collapses in their own backyard the smarter ones will wake up to the error of their ways.

Warning them does not work. Tax cheat Timmy told America that our economy will cease to function in 15 years and they have no plan to save it. Obamacare will move that deadline up by about a decade. Neither party has a plan or the balls to do what is required to save this economic nightmare.

ender on June 28, 2012 at 3:59 pm

Yup. The problem is its nearly impossible to reverse a bad law.

For those who had counted on the U.S Supreme Court to toss out Obamacare, today’s decision comes as a wake-up call.

Do I change my prediction? It depends on what people decide to do about it, they can take the easy way out or they can fight back.

Knowing human nature, like with everything else in this country, people will most likely take the path of least resistance.

That’s why I think what I said will stand the test of time.

NormanF on June 28, 2012 at 4:01 pm

There are many things wrong with health care in the US… First I would mention the fact that I find it ludicrous that health care insurance should be a profitable business… It shouldn’t be a losing business but I believe a profit for these is obscene… If, at least, such profits had certain caps…

Another thing that’s wrong with the US health care are the ludicrous judgments where people are awarded sums that are many times what they would have earned in their healthy lifetimes… Or, sums that are many times what their actual damages are… There should be a cap for these…

Another thing that’s wrong with the US health care is the fact that many of the professionals in the field are way overpaid…

Another thing that’s wrong with the US health care is the fact that there are way too many managerial layers that are also way overpaid… Many of these are related to my first two gripes…

The fact remains that on practically every level the US is one of the costliest places to get health services…

Health, as I see it, is a basic service… Insurance companies shouldn’t be able to make billions of US$ in profits on these services… Patients shouldn’t be able to sue and win ridiculous sums when the service fails… And, except for some very gifted individuals, doctors shouldn’t be among the best paid people in the labor market…

Of course, the above opinions are just my personal opinions and your milage may vary…

Hans on June 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm

Addendum: my main gripe with Obamacare is that doesn’t actually address any of the issues that we know are wrong in the US health care system…

Hans on June 28, 2012 at 4:19 pm

That the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of Obamacare doesn’t surprise me. What DOES surprise me is that “conservative” Chief Justice John Roberts would be the one who cast the deciding vote. Can someone tell me how he came to be so highly regarded by advocates of limited government?

Seek on June 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm

And now some of the faux-conservatives, unwilling to admit their total ineptitude are yapping about how important it is that the Commerce Clause got rejected.

Duh, when do these imbeciles learn that the whole thing is a shell game? If it wasn’t Roberts, it would have been someone else. They rejected the Commerce Clause for now, but it will come back again if they need it to pass some other liberal decision. We’ve had 80 years of this nonsense from the Supreme (sic) Court. And the faux-conservatives are running around trying to mislead people into thinking there are silver linings to this, so they will still vote for Romney.

There are no silver linings. The trend towards socialism that started here in the 19th century, has taken a huge leap forward.

Little Al on June 28, 2012 at 5:03 pm

The longer Roberts stays on the SCOTUS, the more liberal he will get.

Hob nobbing with the rich and powerful in DC makes him want to “fit in”

Meanwhile, “we the people” are to vote in a new president, house and senate members that can maybe write law to supercede and/or negate the Obnoxious Care. Then when that law comes before the SCOTUS, they will find it unconstitutional.

As Bob Grant used to say, “it is sick and getting sicker.”

Panhandle on June 28, 2012 at 5:07 pm

Amazing! “Barry the Balkanizer” knows nothing about anything yet, he hoodwinked them all. And, it’s mostly the same faces that he dupes: Black, Latinos, and any race that isn’t Caucasian.

Incidently, I wonder if I would still have my job tommorrow, if I walked out like the DEMS did today- like whining babies. In a perfect world, they’d be fired.

What the GOP don’t realize is; they’re in a “hate” war. Enter
Barry the Balkanizer and his media minions to pull the puppet strings which removes focus from the real culprit- the economy. Which of course, is juvenile!

Patrick on June 28, 2012 at 5:23 pm