Hopping into bed with pan-Islamists is truly bi-partisan.

Principled conservatives shouldn’t legitimize Grover Norquist. Period.

NormanF on May 18, 2012 at 1:56 pm

Actually, I’ve long passed the point where I just can’t support not just the GOP, but Conservatives b’cos of all of the above. To paraphrase Reagan, ‘I didn’t leave the Conservative movement – it left me’.

And no, the ‘Obama is worse’ line is not an excuse. Yeah, by all means, vote for Mitt over Obama, but that doesn’t automatically make the entire Democrat establishment worse. In fact, some factions, such as atheists and gays are more likely to come into conflict w/ Muslims than Con-serve-themselves who would be only to happy not only to go on cruises w/ the likes of Norquest and Suhail, but also get their institutes padded by the likes of Aramco (the free market, after all!) and enjoying cruises in the Persian Gulf.

On a different note, I’m just wondering – at this point, do people really have money to go on these cruises, the economy being what it is?

Infidel on May 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm

Why does the GOP pander to this man? Has he ever been elected to anything? Just go away Grover.

Jo on May 18, 2012 at 2:56 pm

They pander to him because of low taxes and limited government, which Norquist backs.

Then again they’re willing to overlook his less savory and more repellent side. I think that outweighs any good he might do for conservatives.

The bottom line is this: any one who gets into bed with America’s enemies is not pro-American or pro-freedom. Putting principle ahead of political expediency is hard for some people to do.

You won’t see this conservative go on that crappy cruise this summer. And NRO’s and the American Spectator’s lack of convictions is all the more reason to stay away from them.

Some things in life are black and white.

NormanF on May 18, 2012 at 3:16 pm

Well, TAS has soem horribly antisemitic boggers on their blog (along with soem good ones), plus “experts” like Reid Smith, who is a compleat idiot on the Middle East. NR supports the legalization of marijuana, along with other stupidities at times.

But you gotta wonder about a guy called “sucks all [he] can.”

Any how, Debbie, my kids LOVED the Big Year which they saw yesterday with She Who Must Be Obeyed, who is an avid birder. My wife thought is was “a light, amusing film,” but that it did show the interest of birding itself. The book was also good. In reading your review, I saw that she agreed with you.

One favor—if you run across mainstream films that you like which kids can see, can you mention it—I see you do that occasionally to warn the kids away, but The Big Year apparently had VERY little cursing, no violence, and no real sex.

You do beautiful work in all that you do.

[Unfortunately OC isn’t exactly honest. He says one thing here, and yet–despite his pretense at being horrified by the anti-Semitic bloggers–he continues to be a huge patron, reader, and commenter of The American Spectator, which gets plenty of traffic from him and which helps them make money. Sheep like him are the reason that anti-Semites continue to be paid bloggers and Grover Norquist continues to be an honored guest and speaker of the the Spectator and other conservative groups. He’s two-faced and a fraud. He’s also a big fan of a site, which banned all references to my piece on Rick Perry’s pro-Muslim work, statements, and HAMASCAIR endorsement. After seeing several comments he made falsely attacking me, he’s been banned from this site. Buh-bye. Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out, schmuck. DS]

Occam's Tool on May 18, 2012 at 3:33 pm

His low taxes and less regulation message made sense in the 90s, when jihad terrorism was unknown in the US. But after 2001, there is no justification for him getting the time of day.

However, I do have another theory about Conservatives/GOP. They see the entire Jewish vote having gone Democrat, they see the entire Black vote having gone Democrat, they have lost a lot of the Hispanic vote despite President Bush totally bending over on the issue of illegal immigration… Now, for them, what other groups are left for them to win over? Their target now – Muslims.

With Muslims, they do this package deal – they bend over to the Gulf Sheikhs and do their bidding (which is a part of why guys like Medfraud feeds his callers the manure that Shia are problematic but Sunnis aren’t, b’cos they are US allies), and in return, those Sheikhs have their other minions in the US, like CAIR, do their work for them in pushing them towards GOP candidates they’re supportive of. W/ Obama, CAIR was probably exclusively pro-Democrat, but that can change the moment those Sheikhs decide to reward their minions in the GOP.

That also explains why some of them support the likes of Hamas against Israel – they think/know that they won’t get the Jewish vote, since it’s overwhelmingly locked into the Democrats, so their guess – heck, what’s there to lose by supporting Hamas?

Infidel on May 18, 2012 at 3:40 pm

Interesting. However, the comment about the NRA and islam? Sorry, not true. The last thing Wayne LaPierre does is take orders from islamic terrorists. In fact, almost every issue of American Rifleman has articles about fighting islamic terrorism. It is possible Norquist has undue influence on LaPierre, in which case it is Norquist that should be removed.

I do agree that Norquist is a vile POS that should never be allowed to speak at “conservative” events.

FK: Uh, WRONG. You don’t know what you are talking about. They take orders from Grover Norquist per his Islamic terrorist friends, which was why I was disinvited as a speaker, as NRA officials told me explicitly. They told me the reason was that Grover was upset at my columns on Sami Al-Arian. Get a frickin’ clue and stop your blind faith in and apologism for the NRA. RIF–Reading Is Fundamental. Try it sometime. It’s more effective than premature articulation. DS

FrenchKiss on May 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Hey DS, thanks for this take, but to me honest with you, I’m really not that surprised, because for the last number of years, you’ve gone after and called out Grover Norquist for his shady behavior and nefarious acts, etc. To me Grover Norquist is the George Soros of the right wing (minus being a multi-millionaire), and it’s very ironic and hypocritical of some of these same conservatives who complain and bellyache about the left wing being tied and cuddling up with islamists wannabe muslims in this country, but at the sametime, their man Grover Norquist is in bed with the muslims and the islamists!

I also believe why this scumbag, Grover Norquist wanted you banned from such websites and blogs is because he KNOWS that you’re right and spot on about him Debbie, therefor this prick has ALOT to hide about him and his relationships with nefarious people, etc. And as for National Review and American Spectator, I don’t go to those sites and I don’t comment on them either, becuase there both frauds and pretty soft.

BTW, thanks for correcting yourself with Infidel in which you meant to say “Second Amendment” regarding the NRA, don’t worry about it DS, I forgive for you’re little error, it happens to the best of us maam!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on May 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm

DS, this was a power-house column! I hope many read it and wake the heck up. We ONLY hear this stuff from YOU!

Recently, Globe Magazine did a huge article on Grover Norquist and it went on and on about how he loved his wife. Funny, it did NOT mention that HE converted to Islam and I should have known that (I feel dopey but I just assumed he stayed what he was…I know better from what I have learned HERE!) since the Mooooooslims never convert. Funny, NO CONSERVATIVE mentions it and I wonder if they even know? Prolly NOT. I get sick when I hear so-called Conservatives who think they are “true blue” refer to him as if he is a huge Conservative hero. That tells me their research has only gone so far (or worse, they’re afraid to speak up and are bought and sold.)

Do they even know he is Mooooooslim? I don’t think so. I had to repeat (even though my question is rhetorical) this because it is important to think about.

No wonder Rich Lowry is such an effete girl! I can’t stand that fraud! I am also glad you called out that smug know-nothing Peter Beinhart! “Fresh Air” recently had on a guy to refute Beinhart’s stupid book and I meant to remember his name to see what you thought of him. He didn’t sound much better to tell the truth.

I am noticing now, more than ever, some Conservatives had better get their sh** together and find out who is no good and who is dinkum (true blue) Conservative these days. So many don’t know and even though they may NOT talk about a certain fraud Conservative, I notice stuff on Twitter and I say to myself “Jeez, this one hasn’t a clue”!

Skunky on May 18, 2012 at 5:08 pm

FK: Uh, WRONG. You don’t know what you are talking about. They take orders from Grover Norquist per his Islamic terrorist friends, which was why I was disinvited as a speaker, as NRA officials told me explicitly. They told me the reason was that Grover was upset at my columns on Sami Al-Arian. Get a frickin’ clue and stop your blind faith in and apologism for the NRA. RIF–Reading Is Fundamental. Try it sometime. It’s more effective than premature articulation. DS

Okay, so they take orders per Islamic terrorists. I. Don’t. Care. As long as they fight for second amendment rights they could be Nazis for all I care. Besides, there are no pure “conservative” organizations, they’ve all been infiltrated.

FrenchKiss on May 18, 2012 at 5:24 pm

About his wife, from the Wiki: “Norquist has described himself as a “boring white bread Methodist.”[51] In 2004, at age 48, he married a Palestinian Muslim[32] named Samah Alrayyes,[52][53] a Kuwaiti PR specialist who was formerly a director of the Islamic Free Market Institute and specialist at the Bureau of Legislative and Public Affairs at United States Agency for International Development (USAID).[54][55]”

Given the increasing antisemitism of the Liberal churches (and Norquist is much more Libertarian than Conservative), his antisemitism and marriage to a Jihad supporter makes more sense. Just another Paulbot scumbag.

Occam's Tool on May 18, 2012 at 6:34 pm

The Arab reneged the agreement with American oil seized the oil than use monopolistic power to increase prices. They are definitely not free enterprise group.

madman on May 18, 2012 at 6:40 pm

The one that really surprises me is Mark Steyn. His whole shtick has to do with Islamic takeover of the West. Yet, here is Norquist, exhibit 1A, the ultimate Islamic mole, and Steyn can’t be bothered to mention it.

Very few on the right are willing to call out Norquist. Is he really THAT powerful?

adam on May 18, 2012 at 6:48 pm

Steyn, too, has money to protect.

I, completely vicious Sharia despiser that I am, stand in true awe of her intellectual fighting skills and her moral and physical courage. While she is a beautiful and sweet lady, when in combat, she closely resembles the mascot of the U of M, the Wolverine. Completely fearless, living for combat, cheerfully destroying predators many times her size. It is impressive, and inspiring, to watch.

Yes, Norquist really is that powerful and evil. Debbie will be remembered as the Churchill of this dismal age, fearlessly taking on evil, going into places no one will follow, and, I believe, ultimately triumphing. Truly her blessed father named her well.

Occam's Tool on May 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm

Every one has careers and interests to protect and this leads many people to look the other way.

Bottom line: if you like Norquist and his pals, you’re aiding and abetting the Islamic takeover of America.

This is not a case of being half-pregnant. Its what makes him a dangerous guy and the last thing on earth he needs is mainstream backing for his extremist views.

NormanF on May 18, 2012 at 8:36 pm

Occam, I’ve been on 2 cruises in the past – one on Tahoe during New Years, and another to Catalina for my honeymoon. They were okay, but once you’ve been on them, it’s not much more than a boat ride.

I think a cruise that does a complete sightseeing tour of coastal areas could be more interesting, assuming that there is a coastline fully dotted w/ landmarks. I’ve just been on those 2 cruises w/ the wife, and both were relatively dull.

But in this economy, where jobs are just disappearing, I’m surprised that people would still feel bold enough to go on cruises.

Infidel on May 19, 2012 at 12:38 am

You would think that this charmer, and especially his clever money affairs, would be of interest to prosecutors – especially those connected with the Democrats. Or are the Democrats themselves so in thrall to Muslim interests that they don’t even want the advantage of showing that a prominent Republican is a money-laundering crook?

Laura Latini on May 19, 2012 at 7:51 am

All any of these people want is more power in the Republican Party. And as discussed, they will compromise anything to get it. I shouldn’t have said that is all they want. As also discussed, they want to line their pockets with loot, probably more important. And anything that interferes with these things is off limits.

And like bureaucrats everywhere, they don’t want to rock the boat. This is why discussion of Jeremiah Wright is off limits. It means in practice that the mainstream media sets the agenda.

Little Al on May 19, 2012 at 1:21 pm

Weak men find strong women intimidating. Britain’s Margaret Thatcher was successful as a female politician because she wasn’t part of the ‘Boy’s Club’.Political decisions were backed by a strong sense of justice, not political pandering, ‘greatest good to the greatest number of people which is the measure of right and wrong’.

DS’s strength frightens pathetic men who do not want to find themselves in a debating situation.Rather be univited than join Dummkopfs Inc.

Media dishonesty is at fault. It is a recognised fact that the WH is fast filling posts with anti-American Muslims. From the Frank Gaffney clips on his 10 part series of the Muslim Brotherhood

‘and, in some cases, given positions in the Obama administration. A case study of Rashad Hussain, Huma Abedin, Daliah Mogahed, Kifa Mustapha, Momamed Elibiary, and Mohamed Magid. As we will see, taken together, such people and policy initiatives have advanced considerably the Muslim Brotherhood’s civilization jihad against the United States, here at home and overseas.

‘Others have been given access in more informal advisory roles.
Six of this Islamist cohort are profiled in the course: Special Envoy, to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation Rashad Hussein; Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Huma Abedein; Presidential advisor Dalia Mogahed; FBI Citizen’s Academy graduate Kifah Mustafa; Homeland Security Advisory Committee Member Mohamed Elibiary and Homeland Security Countering Violent Extremism Working Group Member Mohamed Magid.

Other questions raised
‘Should the fact that an individual has family members in prominent positions with Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organization preclude them from serving in the U.S. government?

Can shariah-adherent Muslims honestly swear to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”? Is it realistic to expect them to fulfill that oath?

What are the implications of the President of the United States taking advice from a woman who believes “The majority of women around the world associate gender justice, or justice for women, with sharia compliance”?

Should individuals identified as unindicted co-conspirators in terrorism financing be precluded from participating in such community outreach initiatives as the FBI’s “citizen academies”?

Should a Muslim member of the Department of Homeland Security’s Advisory Committee who has been given a security clearance be held to the same standards for safeguarding classified information as others with such access?

Should membership in and leadership of the largest Muslim Brotherhood front in the United States – the Islamic Society of North America – disqualify someone from serving in official or advisory capacities in the federal or any state government?

Under BHO the submission to Shariah is being accelerated whilst the public are being bamboozled by the fear of Al Queda, diverting attention from the Muslim Brotherhood. They are all anti-American, anti- Judeo-Christian, anti-infidels, anti-anything civilised, anti-Human Rights and the list goes on….WH political subterfuge at play.

‘No power of government ought to be employed in the endeavor to establish any system or article of belief on the subject of religion’.
Jeremy Bentham

Eyes Wide Open on May 19, 2012 at 7:13 pm

Although I don’t follow Grover Norquist very carefully and have long been uninterested in his tax schemes, ideas & writings, I’ve only recently (within the past couple of years) been aware of his muzzie connection (wife) and other friends.

Another thing that I guess I’ve just instinctively turned away from have been the myriad so-called “Conservative” organizations that are always asking for money and have been just a little TOO “pat” in their profiles & pronouncements. This includes the Heritage Fdn, Nat’l Review and a slew of others.

I listen to Hannity – but not to be inspired (he’s a bore and repeats himself endlessly), but to hear some of his arguments about certain issues – and bec. there aren’t any other “Conservative” radio talk shows that I like during his time slot.

As for Mark Steyn, I was surprised to read your scathing dismissal of him! Just bec. he doesn’t single out Norquist, he’s still written powerfully about the jihadists, PC vis-a-vis Sharia and pisslam, etc. And I think he’s one of the wittiest and most talented political writers around! I also enjoy Mark Levin, although unfortunately, we don’t get his radio talk show where I live, so I miss most of what he talks about and, of course, his style.

Don’t you think the fact that a Saudi Prince has a HUGE financial stake in Fox News influences the fact that they soft-peddle most of the anti-jihadist stuff? Besides, they’re aiming at a mainstream audience and, I think, they know their market well enough to leave THAT particular hot-button issue generally OFF their airwaves, but, of course, allow various talking heads to discuss it in the course of hundreds of on-air hours of broadcast time. And, to be frank I’ve rarely heard Norquist brought up in conversation or debate on Fox News at all!

Finally, one last question – and that’s about Sarah Palin. You mentioned that she hasn’t said anything about Grover Norquist either! Well, it seems that fighting Shariah, pisslam and all their fellow travelers is NOT one of her themes or the focus of what matters most to her at this point in time. In fact, she’s much more concerned with the cronyism that goes on in Washington with all the corrupt pols (“good ol’ boy networks!”), the “lamestream media,” the lack of a strong and pro-American energy policy, and other pressing domestic issues. I think, too, she feels that those are solid issues with which Americans can get on board, so she hasn’t singularly addressed foriegn policy issues. Besides, Fox pays her to comment on current politics and, of course, elections – not foreign policy stuff. So, why are you still so down on her? Is it ONLY about that muzzie scumbag Norquist?

J: Wow, you are incredibly gullible and a complete dupe. Only a sucker and complete hypocrite would make such absurd excuses for these people and FOX News. Do you make the same BS excuses for liberals, including Obama? If you had a clue, you’d know that the Saudi Prince has already influenced FOX News’ coverage, as documented in the media, including with the coverage of the Muslim riots in France. Mark Steyn (who plagiarized a lot of my work and even the best lines of my columns for “his” America Alone book; and then plagiarized my New York Post column on Imam Al-Hussainy for a Hannity appearance about it–yup, that’s talent and wit . . . to a naif like you) claims he is against jihad, sharia, and those who legitimize Islamic extremism and intolerance. And, yet, you think it’s okay that he refuses to go after anyone on the right who does this, including and especially Grover Norquist. Your incredible tolerance on this is more evidence of the stupidity and moronism (and hypocrisy) on the right. You are Exhibit A. Ditto on Sarah Palin’s embrace and tolerance of him, and, yes, even though she’s a moron on foreign policy issues (as with much else), she does talk about them. You are incredibly gullible, easily fooled, and a complete hypocrite. With people like you “on our side” making excuses for everyone, all the Muslims and their enablers need to do is claim they are conservative, and you will fall for it and make excuses. Get a frickin’ clue. DS

[Sadly, after I wrote this, Joy–who has a weird crush on Scamela Geller and Sarah Palin–sent me disgusting e-mails about S&M and “getting off.” Um, Joy, you need help. Fast. Yup, this is the kind of sicko who defends faux-conservatives that tolerate and befriend Grover Norquist. Word to the wise: avoid them. And him. DS]

Joy on May 20, 2012 at 1:29 am

And, as I’ve recently told you, this schmuck Lowry said on TV that he applauds Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers for getting George Zimmerman prosecuted and that Zimmerman was completely at fault and should do time.

Whatever happened to “a Man is innocent until he’s proven guilty?”

A cruise round Michigan and Chicago? For the first time in decades, I thought of Honey Bunch: Her First Trip on the Great Lakes!!!!!

Miranda Rose Smith on May 20, 2012 at 3:43 am

The discussion here shows the sad state of the conservative movement. Unfortunately there is a sequel.

In the last couple of days, a major Republican donor (head of the family that owns the Chicago Cubs) had the effrontery to suggest a major ad campaign tying President Obama and Jeremiah Wright.

In the face of criticism from Chicago’s Mayor, he backed off right away. Although I wish he hadn’t, there is at least some rationale for him, since most of his fans are probably liberals — although if I were a billionaire, I would feel I was in a position to elevate principles, since I wouldn’t really suffer financially.

But the whole Republican establishment, including Romney and Boehner also came down on him, saying the election was just about the economy. These people’s differences with Obama are purely cosmetic, and I have yet to see a column from the conservative establishment suggesting that anyone go after Rev. Wright, even after the recent revelation he was offered $150,000 to keep quiet during the last presidential campaign.

Little Al on May 20, 2012 at 11:49 am

LA,

That’s exactly what I wrote in my follow-up to Debbie’s response to Joy.

Too many gullible people and dupes with zero thinking skills among the conservalumpenproletariat in this country. They stand for nothing. If we had genuine conservatives in evidence, Obama would be losing and Norquist wouldn’t be the guest of honor on the Right.

Until that changes – this country is going to have a troubled future because no one has the principle or the guts to do something about the very real problems its facing. That’s why I don’t expect the November election to really produce the change we need and deserve.

NormanF on May 20, 2012 at 7:53 pm

I’d say Grover’s a puppet, but we all know he’s a muppet.

Nexu on May 22, 2012 at 8:21 am

The discussion about that effing traitor Norquist is academic really, because things will get a hell of lot worse before they get better, and when they do I believe the conservative movement will have a night of the long knives type purge. The reason I say this is because events around the world are coming to a head and war in now inevitable. When that happens anyone associated with islamist anything will find themselves swinging from the nearest lampost from a very enraged populace.
After sitting in various officers messes around the middle and far east, the military is extremely disgruntled and they worry about the consequences of following an order from this administration and the impossible orders being given and the officers who are relieved because they aren’t going with the program. Norquist survives and thrives because powerful folks keep this POS in place to wreak the most damage, his days are numbered and you can bet on it.
As for this cruise? What a wonderful opportunity to take ole Grover fishing, it’s a real shame he accidentally fell overboard with that anchor tied to his leg. Yeah that would be a real shame alright, makes me want to shed a tear, almost.

Drakken on May 22, 2012 at 3:54 pm