March 4, 2009, - 12:21 pm

The “Watchmen” Lie: Hollywood Sends More Depravity Your Kids’ Way Costumed as “Superhero” Flick

By Debbie Schlussel
**** UPDATE, 03/05/09: Watchmen Derangement Syndrome Takes Hold; Movie Continues to Be Marketed to Kids ****
If you take your kids to see “Watchmen,” you’re a moron.
If you see it yourself, you’re also probably a moron and a vapid, indecent human being. The movie arrives in theaters at Midnight, Thursday Night. It’s rated “R”–which should kinda sorta be a hint–but it really deserves an “NC-17,” at the very least. And plenty of clueless parents brought their young kids and kept them there for the entire almost three hour “experience” at the screening I attended.
Yes, I know, it’s being heavily marketed as a superhero movie, with action figures for your kids. But that–and the heroic-looking movie trailer–are a big, fat lie. And that’s where real parenting comes in . . . like actually investigating the movie before you take or send your kids to see this garbage.
In fact, as a movie critic who sees most new releases, I haven’t seen a more violent, depraved movie in years (not to mention a longer, more boring movie with a more preposterous and silly plot). This movie makes the graphic bloodshed of the recently released “Friday the 13th” look like “Cinderella.”

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This really isn’t a superhero movie at all. In fact, there was little “superheroing” until after the second hour of this nearly three-hour exercise on defining deviancy down. Some on the right are claiming this is a conservative movie because it’s made by some of the same people as “300” (read my review). But this is no “300.” (And that wasn’t for kids either, but this is far much less so.) A few lines of dialogue by the character “Rorschach” deriding “liberals and intellectuals” doesn’t excuse the nearly three hours of poison here. In fact, the movie kind of has a peacenik-themed ending and “message” regarding nuclear weapons. If this move is “conservative,” who the heck needs liberal?
There were so many disgusting, violent, morbid, grisly scenes and acts of killing, I had to start writing them down, lest I forget. And that’s in addition to the rape scene between superheroes (complete with violent beating of a female superhero) and an explicit sex scene between two other superheroes. Oh, and don’t forget another superhero’s swinging computer-generated penis frequently in your face on-screen.
In just the opening credits of this mindless celluloid claptrap, there’s a lesbian take-off on the famous photo of a woman kissing a sailor in Manhattan who is returning victorious from World War II. The lesbian make-out scene, featuring a “superhero,” is bad enough. But then, we see cops looking over their naked, bloodied, dead bodies on a bed, with the words “LESBIAN WHORES,” written in blood on the wall.
Mommy, mommy, what’s a lesbian? What’s a whore? And remember, this is just the opening credits.
The “plot” of this movie–if you can call it a plot–is that there were costumed superheroes in the ’40s and beyond. They grew old, but some of them didn’t. Then a new crop of costumed superheroes with special powers cropped up, some of whom were related to the older ones and some who still remained from the older group. But they all retired. Now, a superhero known as “The Comedian”–who is also a rapist and shot a Vietnamese woman who was pregnant with his kid (all of which we see depicted on-screen)–is murdered, and some of the superheroes, the “Watchmen,” get back together to find out who did it.
At the same time, the Soviets are about to nuke America. It’s 1985 and Nixon is President. We’ve won in Vietnam. Oh, and Henry Kissinger has a Russian accent. And Ronald Reagan is thinking of running for President in 1988. Wow, isn’t that cool that they got it wrong on purpose? I’m so amazed at this “high-brow art” of deliberately getting dates and timelines wrong, you know, just to be “artistic,” and get the drooling of the critics. That is sooooo genius. Like way totally cool.
Maybe if I make a movie about how Eisenhower was President in 1972, we “lost” World War II, and Bin Laden was gonna bomb the World Trade Center then, I’ll be cool, too. . . so long as it’s “dark” and I include a bunch of rape, torture, explicit sex scenes, and extremely graphic killings, and oh, write a “graphic novel” a/k/a comic book about it, first.
In the midst of this stupid story, we’re treated to the following:
* Dogs fighting over, tearing apart, and eating a six-year-old girl–we’re shown them chowing down on and tearing apart the remaining leg and leg bone, with the sock and shoe still on the bone as the dogs wrestle over it;
* A close up of man repeatedly getting an axe-blade driven through his skull while he’s being butchered;
* At least two very graphic scenes of naked superhero “Dr. Manhattan” vaporizing people to just blood, limbs, and guts hanging from the ceiling or spread in the snow;
* Many scenes of Dr. Manhattan’s computer generated penis swinging about;
* A kid biting a giant, bloody chunk of flesh out of another kid’s face–he grows up to be “Rorschach,” one of the superheroes’ compatriots;
* A man’s hands and arms being sawed off with an electric saw–we’re shown the bloody stumps and the bloody sawed off limbs in close up shots;
* A man with vat of hot french fry oil deliberately thrown over his head–we literally see him fry, and he ultimately dies, we’re told (no kidding);
* Many, many scenes of people’s hands, arms, fingers being broken in half or crunched by the “superheroes”;
* Cops being set on fire and burning to death by superhero compatriot “Rorschach;”
* Superhero “The Comedian” (a bad Robert Downey, Jr. look-alike) brutally beating and raping another superhero–tis movie concludes that the rape was a good thing b/c the slutty superhero had a slutty superhero daughter from him;
* Superhero “The Comedian” shooting and killing a Vietnamese woman because she’s pregnant with his kid;
* Superhero “The Comedian” being thrown off a roof of a tall building–we see his body hit the ground and the blood flow out;
* Two superheroes have an explicit sex scene in a spaceship–she’s on top, then he’s on top, awesome–you can teach your young kids multiple sexual positions before they even reach puberty, by taking them to see this (there’s a less explicit sex scene between the slutty superheroine and another superhero not long before that).
And these are just the highlights, plus superheroes hurling obscenities–great for the kiddies. There’s so much more–along with horrible make-up, bad acting, and terrible computer generated images (including the penis). Not to mention, a bad, extremely slow, and boring script.
Yup, this is the garbage that Rupert Murdoch’s Fox and Warner Brothers and Paramount are marketing toward your kids. All of these studios have a piece in this movie. And even thought the budget was just $100 to $125 million, because of a long legal battler between WB and Fox, the legal fees and pay-out make it such that they must recoup at least $200 or 300 million and make a profit. To do so, they are pimping the movie to all niches, especially your young kids.
But just because shameless whores and crack dealers of Hollywood deal this stuff out, doesn’t mean you have to buy it and poison your kids’ minds with it.
Remember the morons I told you about who took their kids to see the latest “Friday the 13th,” last month? Well, they were back with their kids at a Monday Night screening of this horribly depraved, whacked out movie.
Remember the White single mother who told me her ten-year-old son could see it because “he knows it’s not real and he knows the difference between right and wrong”? Well, she was back with her ten-year-old, and they waited in line for at least two hours with their free pass to get in to this screening, I’m told. I saw them walking out at the end.
Her son is going to grow up to be messed up. Don’t do the same to your kid.
And do yourself a favor, too. Save the ten bucks and the three hours of your life you’ll never get back. And the nightmares of some guy’s bloody, sawed-off arms and hands still clinging to the doors of a jail cell.
I don’t just worry that this is the new superhero movie being marketed to your kids today. I worry about the ones that will be even more depraved a decade from now.
G-d help this country (minus Hollywood).
FOUR MARXES PLUS
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367 Responses

Verbally assaulting anybody is just what it is. Talk about libtards defending their idiot views. Love it.

samurai on March 5, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Jmagnolia, HERE you are! We’re missing, you, love! Come back to IMDb, your thread is gone and we need a new one. We’re collecting quotes from the old one, but it’s not the same.

    Oh, and Deb — you are … unbelievable. If I was a conservative I’d try to stop you. As it is I glee with joy. Thanks for this incredibly funny review.

    Ah, and a last thing: after watching the (mediocre) adaptation of this truly amazing, deep, touching, intelligent, profound graphic novel, WATCHMEN, I thought – ‘Hey, they said there was a blue dong in it. I never noticed it!’
    Now I wonder who is the pervert: those who don’t care and don’t notice a penis, coz it’s unimportant and nothing really shocking
    or those who stare at it every time it appears on screen and later complain about it.
    Heck, most men are born with one, and many keep ’em till they die. Get used to it.

    DCR on January 7, 2010 at 3:49 pm

I am amazed at the number of adults(?) that are defending some retarded comic book made into a “graphic novel.” Get a LIFE! Are you that sensitive about desensitizing the world that you shriek we must all read your favorite fictional depravity before we can criticize a sick movie? Amazing…
The R rating is a clue, but the R rating covers a broad spectrum and is not always that bad. Thanks again Debbie for the heads up..

PDMac60 on March 5, 2009 at 10:51 am

RE: MKLombard333,
I, personally, think American Idol is must-miss TV. However, my parents are glued to their tv set every Tuesday night watching that. Not every single person that watches that lame show is under the age of 18.
Following your logic, every single R-rated movie advertised during sporting events is to try to entice the minors viewing the games to the movie theatre?
I’m not sure I buy the logic.

trewsdetroit on March 5, 2009 at 11:18 am

“Following your logic, every single R-rated movie advertised during sporting events is to try to entice the minors viewing the games to the movie theatre?
I’m not sure I buy the logic.”
Neither do I. Thats like saying all those “male-enhancement” commercials that air constantly on every channel and radio station is being targeted towards minors. I don’t think thinking logically was ever MKLombard333’s strong suit.

alucias85 on March 5, 2009 at 11:23 am

Debbie,
Well, you’re right about one thing – if you take your kids to this movie you ARE a moron. You know why?
IT’S NOT A KIDS MOVIE. IT’S RATED R.
It’s one thing to be as culturally illiterate as you seem to be, another altogether to broadcast that ignorance cloaked in such mighty arrogance.
While you’ve been sitting out behind the barn whittling crosses, the world has been moving forward, and comic books have not been exclusively for children since the late seventies, at least.
As for the notion that the movie gets facts wrong, again, your illiteracy will be your undoing. The film is set in an alternate universe, a time honored tradition in fantasy and science fiction, dating back at least a hundred years. Did you think 1984 was really set in 1984?
In the universe of The Watchmen, Nixon IS still in office, and we won the Vietnam war.
These are concepts, by the way, that these children whose tender sensibilities you seek to protect have no problem understanding.
But in the end, it’s your inability to grasp that you’re reviewing an R rated movie that is geared solely towards adults that’s so charming. It’s like you’re actively seeking things to bitch and moan about, and if you can’t find anything, you’ll just start making shit up. Hey, parents! Whatever you do, don’t take your kids to see The Last House On The Left! It’s terrible for children! It’s full of sex and gore, and do you really want your children asking you, “Mommy, what’s a gang rape?”
Still and all, it is wonderful to have a site like this, because on days when I actually start to believe the world is full of beauty, wit and grace, I can come here and be reminded that we are still inundated with closed minded, ignorant morons.
[TAS: YES, THE MOVIE IS “NOT BEING MARKETED TO KIDS” ON “AMERICAN IDOL.” SOME OF US READ REAL BOOKS–I.E., WITHOUT PICTURES. BIG CLUE: CULTURAL LITERACY CONCERNS REAL CULTURE, WHICH YOU WILL NEVER KNOW OR SEE IN YOUR LIFETIME BY YOUR OWN STUPID CHOICE. YES, I’M SO IGNORANT BECAUSE I DON’T SEE THAT PUTTING CRAP AND HORRID DEPRAVITY IN A COMIC BOOK FIRST MAKES IT SOOOOO HIGHBROW. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE SECOND WORD IN YOUR ONLINE NAME. YOU DEFINITELY ARE THAT. AND IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU THAT IT’S THE ONLY ACCURATE WORD IN YOUR ENTIRE SCREED HEREIN. DS]

The Asshole Shark on March 5, 2009 at 11:36 am

I like to first say I hate movie critics. How is it that some can get paid for reviewing and no one cares about what they say, and they still get paid for making a bad review but, people still go see the movie anyways.
Now I’m very mad that some one makes a review on a movie with out get any information on it and make them look like a complete jackass. It’s one thing to rant about a movie but it’s another thing to call people morons. I pretty sure it’s not Hollywood’s fault it’s nut case like you, who’s fault is for bitching

Chuck Finly on March 5, 2009 at 11:37 am

To the parents that are thanking her because without this knowledge they would have taken their kids to the movie, I say you are complete fools. You don’t need to know the content of an ‘R’ rated movie to know you shouldn’t be taking your kids to it. It is really not that difficult of a concept. And I noticed she stopped responding to all the comments. I’m glad because they were making me sick. And I am not a “moron and a vapid, indecent human being”. Great review Debbie. You sure showed everyone how smart you are!

Ashley on March 5, 2009 at 12:27 pm

I am really happy to see the majority of commenters here slamming Debbie’s “review”. It’s people like Debbie that keep me from calling myself a “conservative”, even though I have conservative beliefs, especially when it comes to economic issues. So many on the right find it impossible to open their minds and accept anything that is a little out of the ordinary. I really understand now why most of the people in Hollywood are liberals. Most conservatives are just so closed-minded.

doc on March 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Ok… i had to register just to write a comment.. i have yet to see the movie but i have read the graphic novel and i think it’s a great piece of work, like many have posted above this novel isn’t about your usual good vs. evil superheroes it’s about humans beings with flaws acting as vigilantes, yes they have flaws just like everyone else is that so hard to get? i think it’s an incredible read and so does every book critic out there..
as to this movie being marketed to children? i think i’m somehow missing that.. where are the pallets filled with toys at wal mart or target?? where is the watchmen cereal?? where is the watchmen kid’s meal? i don’t see them anywhere ! i bet if you ask a 8 year old kid about the watchmen he will look at you puzzled… and about parents bringing in kids to an R rated movie .. that’s just plain ignorance.. it’s rated R for a reason, you don’t walk into this movie expecting some fraggles to sing! geeez

galaman on March 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Haven’t you guys noticed that this Debbie chick has stopped responding to comments, and instead ‘other people’ who ironically both COMPLETELY AGREE WITH HER ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL and type in the same fashion have started to?
Heh.
I mean, we can’t be too mad at this Debbie woman, its not her fault she’s a bad journalist who never bothered to research the original material. Its why she’s writing on her own site and not in an office somewhere writing for a real website, magazine, or paper.
Remember guys, if you have a different opinion of *any sort*-then you are a horrible, depraved, pedo, nerd loser! So be sure to agree with Debdeb on everything she says or you’ll make her maaaaaaad. THEN MAYBE SHE’LL INSULT YOU IN ALL CAPS AND TRY TO DRIVE A USELESS POINT HOME. WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!

Atlas on March 5, 2009 at 1:11 pm

“I mean, we can’t be too mad at this Debbie woman, its not her fault she’s a bad journalist who never bothered to research the original material. Its why she’s writing on her own site and not in an office somewhere writing for a real website, magazine, or paper.”
Don’t forget a badly photo-shopped photo from 2001 she keeps using. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/debbieschlussel2.sized.jpg

alucias85 on March 5, 2009 at 1:16 pm

“I am amazed at the number of adults(?) that are defending some retarded comic book made into a “graphic novel.””
If you actually read it before you bashed it, I would be amazed. Watchmen is actually an amazing work of fiction. And it was a graphic novel first, then it was made into a movie. ‘Comic book’ and ‘graphic novel’ are the same thing except the term ‘graphic novel’ is usually used to denote that the subject matter is more serious and less kid-friendly. But your sentence says it was a comic book and then became…a comic book.
“How many kids watch American Idol? A bunch, right? I saw at least 2 commercials for this movie during Idol.”
So did I when I watched it last night, but then again I RARELY watch American Idol anymore. And as I have observed, most of the ‘children’ who watch American Idol are in fact teens or preteens, and probably morally and mentally mature enough to understand and enjoy what goes on in Watchmen. These ‘children’ are also very probably female (no offense to males who watch American Idol). I think a lot of peope will agree (sad as it is) that females are usually not the target audience for comic book/superhero movies.
“Talk about libtards defending their idiot views.”
Don’t bring politics into this. I kept politics out of it and I would appreciate if you did the same.
“I don’t care if you’re 20-something or 30-something. If you still read comic books and enjoy this sh*t, you are still, mentally, a kid.”
Comic books haven’t been solely for children for a long, long time. The original audience grew up, and some comics followed that original audience and matured, becoming more serious and less happy-go-lucky, black-and-white, good-versus-evil. I also resent the remark that you are still a child mentally if you read comic books. There are very serious messages and serious debates and conversations brought up in Watchmen that would definitely not be understood by people who are mentally still a kid.

Cheshire on March 5, 2009 at 1:23 pm

Whoooo….look at the firestorm that brewed here. All kinds of psychonuts have come out and attacked the conservative goddess.
The reason she isn’t responding to comments anymore, is because you people are so sold on your false beliefs that it’s pointless for her to even say anything to you idiots.
I did not see one shred of respect from any of you when you first responded to her. So not only are you both hypocrites, but your also the type who loves to start flame wars on the internet to make yourselves feel good.
And once again, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE WATCHMEN NOR DO I GIVE A DAMN ABOUT IT. But I’m sure you’ll label me an “irrelevant” 26 year old black person for saying such a thing.

Squirrel3D on March 5, 2009 at 1:36 pm

up yours mister Squirrel3D

Chuck Finly on March 5, 2009 at 1:42 pm

“I did not see one shred of respect from any of you when you first responded to her. So not only are you both hypocrites, but your also the type who loves to start flame wars on the internet to make yourselves feel good.”
Uhm, she starts off by saying “If you see it yourself, you’re also probably a moron and a vapid, indecent human being.” So, shes lucky shes gotten as nice of responses as she has. Shes the one being a baby and calling people names.

alucias85 on March 5, 2009 at 1:55 pm

As you pointed out, its rated R. As in no one under 18 admitted without parent. As in not meant for children. Or did I miss the R-edition of WALL-E with the robot love scene and the autopilot decapitating humans?
You’re right, anyone who takes their kids to see this movie is indeed a moron.
Lets blame production companies for poor parenting! That’s a swell idea.
When I was growing up, my parents wouldn’t allow me to see an R rated film period. They researched films that were rated PG-13 before they allowed me to attend. This was because they were involved parents, not negligent philistines who accuse the world of not doing their job for them. Its rated R. Its based on a, yes, graphic novel (not comic book) that is on Times’ list of 100 Greatest NOVELS.
At least you nailed the morons part.
PS: Alternate histories aren’t “getting it wrong so you can be cool and smart.” Its an ALTERNATE. HISTORY.
Did you actually attend college?
PPS: Forgive the caps, but you seem fond of them so I didn’t think you’d mind.

josh_hb on March 5, 2009 at 2:38 pm

http://ucsense.blogspot.com/2007/04/debbie-schlussel-bigot-coward-idiot.html
We troll her because she trolls society. Note the article about “street meat”.
While we are fortunate to live in a country where we may ignore her, let us all take this time to laugh at all the psychotics who are wholesale buying this load of garbage that she shoves down their throats. Too bad she doesn’t make much money off of it.
Oh, that’s a good thing.
I love how her supporters are a self-proclaimed samurai and a load of inarticulate back woods people who couldn’t intellectually argue their way out of a paper bag.

Wulf on March 5, 2009 at 3:53 pm

Did anybody else want to give this broad a hug after reading her vitriolic and short sided rant about the moral integrity of a piece of art?
Yeah, me neither.
Dumb bitch.
[H: THANK YOU FOR DEMONSTRATING MY POINT ABOUT YOUR LEVEL OF CLASS AND ABILITY TO EXPRESS YOURSELF IN INTELLIGENT TERMS. YOU REPRESENT THE TYPICAL DERANGED WATCHMEN FAN. DS]

HAHAWHATACUNT on March 5, 2009 at 3:57 pm

The MPAA has ratings for a reason, if your taking your child to a rated R movie you are idiots for not taking a closer look into the film.
Debbie, you are an idiot… that is all.
PODCAUST.COM

Debbie Is An Idiot on March 5, 2009 at 4:02 pm

Debbie Schlussel is an idiot who knows nothing about what she is reviewing.
Now onto the topic of Watchmen.
I read Watchmen when I was twelve. I was mentally mature enough to understand the plot, the characters, and the fact that it takes place in 1985 IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. And guess what, I read the book AND I DIDN’T GET SCREWED UP. And guess what else? I’m completely normal, I do good in school,HAVE FRIENDS, and a lovng family. Watchmen doesn’t screw people up, neither do video games, or any other form of media.(I’m typing all these capital lettered words seeing as how you like them.) I think Watchmen is a very interesting book, and so are the characters. Let me say, after reading Watchmen, that I STILL think that rape and murder are wrong. Also, how is the movie aimed towards children? I haven’t seen any happy meal toys or action figures based on it. Also, the characters in Watchmen aren’t exactly superheroes. Batman, Spider-Man,Super Man
Iron Man, and Green Lantern are superheroes. If you actually read the novel, you would know this.
Let me also say, that I am a Republican, I am also Catholic and 14. However I can’t stand people like you Debbie, It’s okay to be religious, but don’t shove it in people’s faces. Idiots like you give Conservatives/Republicans a bad name. Watchmen doesn’t screw people up. Parents that don’t do a good job do. If my parents didn’t teach me right from wrong I would be screwed up, but they did a good job.
Also, stop posting under aliases and agreeing with yourself, you’re still stupid.
Debbie Schlussel is stupid.
End of Argument.

Watchmen on March 5, 2009 at 4:19 pm

With the word “moron” being thrown around so much, I think it’s appropriate to point out that the only morons who are reading/posting here are the ones who have the notion Debbie actually believes what she’s saying. Or cares. Her “movie critic” career consists of her blasting a movie that’s being heavily saturated in the societal conscience purely for the reason of getting website hits and the opportunity to do a five minute panel spot on FOX News. It’s an old trick that others have done with more charm, intelligence, and decorum. Debbie spectacularly highlights nearly all the reasons why we’re nothing more than a consumer driven culture, even when that product is an uninformed and purposefully inflammatory opinion.
In the grand scheme of things, nobody cares what anybody else thinks and the internet has become nothing more than a forum where everyone can voice their opinions – no matter how intelligent or unintelligent.
I will say this though; if I needed some one to argue for me it would surely be Debbie. Everyone needs a bully on their side.

Whatever on March 5, 2009 at 4:25 pm

LMAO!! This tool of a movie critique actually thinks she’s right! Wow… this really made my day. For all your stupidity and cocky attitude (hmm, cocky… coincidence?), I would definitely recommend you do stand-up comedy. I haven’t laughed this much since Obama got elected.

-NeoFoxTrot- on March 5, 2009 at 4:34 pm

Honestly Debbie, you don’t know what you are talking about. This review is clearly written from the point of view of someone who doesn’t know a single thing about what she is watching nor where the story came from. The world is cruel, dark, and humanity is twisted. It’s the way of things. God forbid a movie come along to show the dark side of humanity, especially in costumed superheroes. God forbid people be exposed to what sick things happen in real life.
I can understand you saying that you thought the violence was over the top, or that the attempted rape was “uncalled for”… from your twisted point of view I guess it is. But if you pull your head out of the clouds for a moment, you will realize that these kinds of things happen all the time to people. That is what superheroes are in the end, just humans (all but one in Watchmen, I might add). Human beings are deep psychologically, with urges that could be considered sick or perverse. It’s the nature of man.
As for parents, hey… everyone can make that decision for themselves. It is after all, a R rated film. If I had a teenager at home, I would take him or her to see it if they so desired.. My parents didn’t shelter me, and I turned out just fine. I graduated, served the military for 4 years, and am in college. But I guess being subjected to such perverse and twisted fare must have somehow spared me from a life of evil.
It’s entirely ok to not like a film, it’s understandable to think it went too far. But to write it off as the worst film of all time, THAT is uncalled for. You are seriously off base, as you can tell from the large number of responses that you have garnered with this “review”.
But I guess that is what gets you off, so enjoy your moment Debbie…I guess you’ve earned it.

Darkartist on March 5, 2009 at 5:26 pm

Ma’am, I would like to inform you that, based on your opinion as stated above, you entirely missed the point of the film and the graphic novel. Everything I have read above is a legitimate remake of the plots from the film. You got the subject right, but you completely missed the purpose. This film is meant to show that superheroes are not all perfect Superman-type figures where right is right and wrong is wrong, the evil are punished and the righteous prevail. It breaks through this stereotype of perfection and shows that, if superheroes existed, they would be mentally unstable individuals, and, when given too much power, can become worse than the evils they combat, in the case of the Comedian. The rape scene, the scene in which he kills the Vietnamese woman, these are all taken straight from the critically acclaimed graphic novel as examples of the Comedian’s characterization. As for the sex – everyone has urges, and this just goes to show that no one is immune from those, not even a glowing radioactive god-like hero. Rorschach’s character is the face of justice in the movie, and all the gore that goes along with his character is simply what much of the real world is like. Maybe not in your family-friendly suburb, but if you can’t even stand these in movie form, I strongly urge you to never leave your bubble.
The dates are purposely wrong because they make Nixon serve several extra terms before he steps down from the presidency due to his victory in Vietnam. It’s all part of the story, but I suppose you didn’t catch that.
I am genuinely disturbed at your inability to read between the lines here. You were so caught up in the idea that children might be seeing this movie that you couldn’t find the real-world message here. And yes, there will be parents who allow their children to watch movies like this. There will always be irresponsible parents, and it’s not your job to tell them that they’re wrong. Your job is to care for your own family and mind your own business. This film shows the horrors of real life and of war, and the extreme measures that may have to be taken to achieve peace.
I expect that after a million comments from fans of the graphic novel you are sick of hearing about this, but you must have known what you were doing when you posted this to the Internet.
Sincerely,
A Voice Of Reason.

mynamehere040 on March 5, 2009 at 5:46 pm

I completely respect the fact that you did not enjoy this film. The story is obviously not for everybody and I am sure there will be other reviews that say the opposite of what you said. And I agree there is no reason for parents to take their kids to a movie like this despite being a hard rated R the film tackles themes that children will not understand or enjoy. That being said the way you have been attacking the people who have disagreed with you makes you sound like a pompous ass. I am sure you are a respectable person but going around saying that America is a terrible place for having a film like this really is ignorant. You act as if there has never been a graphic movie before. Stephen Spielberg redefined movie violence with Saving Private Ryan and the people who watched that are not morally empty people. The Watchmen is a very well written layered movie that takes a certain intelligence to enjoy and has influenced many of the entertainment we see today, the most popular being the t.v. show “Lost”. It has consistently been ranked as one of the best literary achievements in the twentieth century. It is a true form of art; art has been used to deal with tough real issues since the beginning of art. So although you can not appreciate it for what it is just because someone does does not mean that they are a “Watchmen reading idiot”.

dsp07c on March 5, 2009 at 5:49 pm

You, Debbie Schlussel, are an ignorant facist who’s ranting is some of the most idiotic dribble it has ever been my misfortune to read.
You understand nothing about Watchmen, if you did you would realize that it has never EVER been marketed for children not even when it was released in the eighties. You obviously noticed the giant R in the corner of the poster, so why would you even take your children to see this? If you weren’t blind to anyone’s point of view other than your own, you may also realize that Watchmen is the most intelligent graphic novel to ever be read.
The fact that you think they got history ‘wrong’ also shows me that you aren’t even looking at the story intelligently. The reason history is different in this PIECE OF FICTION is because the existance of superheroes has drastically changed the history and political landscape of our world. It is an alternate history, showing how the addition of something like actual superheroes would affect the outcomes of the Vietnam war, tensions with Russia and previous ammendments to the Constitution.
Your look at a movie that you obviously know nothing about is not only close minded but also extremely dumb. Alan Moore (Someone I’ll assume you know of for the sake of this arguement) has spent his entire life trying to stress the fact that comics are not solely for children. Just like there are movies that arent for children (just like this movie) not all comics are for children.
And another thing, since when is it Hollywood’s job to raise your kids? You ramble on about how Hollywood should not allow such ‘filth’ to be exposed to our children. Hollywood is making films to entertain, not to serve as a moral compass for all the minors in this country.
Making sure your children know what is right and wrong is up to you.
I want to tell you now that tonight I shall attended the Watchmen premire with pride. I do this because it is based after one of the smartest and well written pieces of literature in the past century. And if that makes me a “vapid, indecent human being.” then so be it. If enjoying a movie based after the greatest graphic novel ever written is wrong, then I dont want to be right.

Chicago's Mindfreak on March 5, 2009 at 6:02 pm

Thank you Chicago’s Mindfreak. I love the last two paragraphs especially.

Cheshire on March 5, 2009 at 6:13 pm

….The action figures are marketed towards adult collectors, not kids. They are 18 bucks and higher, and limited in poseability.
…The novel itself.. You don’t like it for the ultra violence. You like it for redemption, because the Comedian, a terrible person, ended up having a kid witht he woman he raped/nearly raped years previously. Ozy’s crazy plan is heavily implied that it fails. The point of this was that heroes weren’t gods, flying around and saving people, they are people themselves. It’s a high deconstruction of associations of superman, and no, it’s not for children. I’ve yet to see a trailer marketed towards kids, either. It’s just a flaw to view people as superheroes in a movie to be for children, just as it is for comic books.
I can’t really speak for the film yet, but if it catches 70% of the comic, it’s done a pretty good job, and hopefully parents won’t send their children off to watch an R-rated film, anyway. Then again, parents are weird these days.

KP on March 5, 2009 at 6:39 pm

hmmmm.
so Debbie I was wondering would you rather Watchmen be like this?
http://uploads.ungrounded.net/485000/485797_Watchmen.swf

LittleBigBoss on March 5, 2009 at 6:44 pm

ill start off by saying you clearly do not understand the GRAPHIC novel.
however, you make some valid points about the marketing of this movie. watchmen is not spiderman, batman or superman, it never was. im torn about some things though.
how were they supposed to market this?
due to all the censorship we have, its not like they could show dr. manhattan’s penis, the gore, the violence, the sex, the language in any advertisment. instead they had to choose pieces that were much less toned down. which gave it the appeance of a superhero flick, even calling them superheros in the trailes.
you won’t find rorschach plush dolls in your walmart toy section, these types of things were intended for hadcore geeks. they tend to be much more detailed, expensive and mature than any toy you would find.
it is clearly stated its rated r and why its rated r. a parent has to be buying kids the tickets, unless they sneak in or something.
which brings me to crossroads as a conservative. why should hollywood and fans of the graphic novel be punished because parents don’t do their job. it takes about 5 min. of research on IMDB for any parent with half a brain to see Watchmen is not appopriate for anybody under the age of 18. don’t censor hollywood, don’t get more govt. agencies and othe BS into our lives. take responsibilty for youself and your kids, keep govt. out, because its a slippery slope.
you censor watchmen, whats next, things based on the Bible due to some of the more violent and sexual parts of that. guarenteed the govt. would be the first ones in line to clamp down on things like violence in movies like Passion of the Christ.

Rorschach on March 5, 2009 at 7:04 pm

You obviously have not read the graphic novel. I’ll just point out some things that you probably did not take into account.
1) The novel wasn’t about superheros saving the world and being immortal like gods, it’s about how far from it they really are.
2) The comic was originally violent and sexually explicit. The comic wasn’t meant for your average comic-book reading eleven-year-old kid. This is for hardcore graphic novel readers.
3) The movie was very true to the graphic novel. There were only a few things that were different.
And, just to let some or my smartypants attitude out;
4) You are stupid if you thought that this was geared toward kids. This movie is rated ‘R’ for a reason, hun.

'Stina on March 5, 2009 at 7:24 pm

STOP BANNING ME BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH YOU, YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT.
Clearly you know nothing about the original graphic novel, and you know nothing of Watchmen in general, especially not the background.
Listen to me: There is a message, a reason and rhyme, to Watchmen. One that the filmmakers can’t be losing to make cuntservatives (get it? cause you’re a conservative cunt?) like you happy.
This is a piece of art with a message.
What’s more, is the ridiculous claim that it’s being marketed to children. Don’t insult me to make yourself seem smarter for this, but I watch the Cartoon Network on a daily basis. Not a god damn thing is advertised there involving Watchmen. It’s not being marketed to children. There are collectible action figures, but most kids don’t even know they exist, the same way they probably don’t know the movie or comic exists.
You’re an idiot. End of discussion.

USAnarchy on March 5, 2009 at 7:34 pm

You’re an idiot. Do some research. “Watchmen” is rated R. The “children’s toys” you linked to cost anywhere from $18 to $160. Not exactly stuff you’ll stumble on at Target. The graphic novels were never marketed to children. This isn’t Superman, and I have personally seen the media schedule for this film. NO ads were bought during kids shows on Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, or WB, or Fox, or Disney or ABC Family. NO banner ads on kids’ websites, and NO press dates for Kids press. “The Comedian” will not be “slimed” on the Kids Choice Awards. This is one project that Warner Borthers has done a fantastic job at targeting their audience – ADULTS.
You would KNOW this if you did 10 minutes of research instead of trying to raise your traffic with a ‘hot topic’. When your uniques fall off on March 7, you will remember that a little research can lead to some real quality lasting return visits.
If adults are taking their kids to see Watchmen, it’s because they are idiots as well. Blaming Hollywood for poor parenting is just silly. Please stay in your silly political commentary lane and let the professionals who have time to check facts do media criticism.

Exidor on March 5, 2009 at 9:11 pm

Rorschach’s Journal.
March 5th, 2009.:
Came across new website today. Crazy right wing woman decides to post insane ramblings for others to view. It’s bad enough this city has to deal with scum on the streets every day. Now on the internet too. Writings suggest living in hysterical illusion. Possibly homosexual. Must remember to investigate further.

Rorschach on March 5, 2009 at 9:29 pm

The massive ****storm I’ve walked in on is… phenomenal. Congratulations, Ms. Schlussel, on your ability to incite rage deep in the hearts of others. I’m quite envious.
Anyway, if all you folks have the time to read the ludicrous number of comments here, surely you have time to read the Wikipedia article on the graphic novel “Watchmen”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen
Absorb that information, then come back with the thoughts you have after reading it. Maybe you’ll hate it more, maybe you’ll love it more, or maybe it won’t affect your opinion at all… but at least you’ll (probably) have learned something.

oldguise on March 5, 2009 at 9:50 pm

Ah, and while reviewing your critique, I couldn’t help but notice you mentioned Dr. Manhattan’s virtual penis three times. I wonder what Freud (who I like as much as I like you) would have to say… because while a cigar is sometimes just a cigar, a penis is always just a penis.

oldguise on March 5, 2009 at 9:58 pm

The only thing worse than reading this review, is imagining Debbie Schlussel reading this review in that suicide-inducing drone of her’s. It’s pretty futile to get worked up over this though–no one has taken Debbie seriously in a long time. Remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHvGXVshDOA
6:04 is my favorite part.

al on March 5, 2009 at 10:38 pm

Couple of things
1. Robert Redford is running for President in 1988 in the comic book, not Ronald Reagan in 1998. If the movie is set in 1985, why would Reagan consider running in 1998, it is not even a year for a presidential election.
2. It has an R rating – of course taking small children would be stupid
3. The toys are not showing up at Target and Wal-Marts. The marketing is not aimed at children. They aren’t putting Comedian toys in Happy Meals.
4. Using all caps is considered rude since the mid-1990s for Internet posting – maybe your responses should be bold or a different color
5. Watchmen was meant to show that costumed super heroes do not work in the real world – thus the smiley face with the blood
6. Haven’t seen the movie yet, but read the comics in the mid 1980s when they came out and have revisited the story quite a but since. I guess when I see it tomorrow with a large group of friends we are all vapid, indecent human beings
7. I thought this was a parody review at first – something from Ed Anger or the Onion

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Spooooooge on March 5, 2009 at 11:08 pm

Everybody keeps posting the same thing to the author of this review, and she keeps spewing the same insulting rants back. Nothing anybody says will make her see how she’s wrong and misinformed about The Watchmen, and I’m assuming she loves the attention and hits it brings to her site. No matter how logical and how civil we are in our arguments, she is going to insult us and rave like a lunatic. So whats the point? save your time, read a review written by somebody who knows what they’re talking about and isn’t blinded by their extreme political opinions.
[W: “NO MATTER . . . HOW CIVIL WE ARE.” UM, YOU APPARENTLY HAVEN’T BEEN READING THE COMPLETELY OBSCENE DISGUSTING COMMENTS, MANY OF WHICH I’VE HAD TO REMOVE, AND THE PLENTY DERANGED AND INSULTING COMMENTS I’VE LEFT UP. WOW, I REALLY WISH WATCHMANIACS COULD LEARN TO READ. LOGICAL? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. LOGIC DOES NOT = “WELL IT WAS IN A COMIC BOOK FIRST, SO YOU JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND THE GREAT MASTER MEANING BEHIND DRIVEL.” YOU’RE SHOCKED THAT YOUR FELLOW WATCHMANIACS KEEP POSTING THE SAME THINGS. FOX NEWS CHANNEL HAS TALKING POINTS ITS AIRHEADS KEEP MINDLESSLY REGURGITATING, AND SO DO WATCHMEN FANSITES. DS]

watson123 on March 5, 2009 at 11:13 pm

Brian Hancock
for some reason, they changed redford to reagan in the movie. its funnier as redford

uncle joe mccarthy on March 6, 2009 at 12:29 am

Hmm, which is more likely, that the people who awarded Watchmen with a Hugo and the millions of others who have read and appreciated the story are all morons, or you just lack the wit to comprehend the themes? But really, thank you for tossing your credibility out the window in the second sentence of your review (attacking the intelligence of people with different opinions, now that’s what I call journalism!), it saved me the time of trying to take the rest of your review seriously.

wonderboy78 on March 6, 2009 at 1:14 am

As a conservative, I’m appalled by people like you. With people like you going on close-minded rants against a novel with a theme you clearly don’t understand, and making an utterly baseless accusation that the movie is being marketed at children despite having no evidence to that fact other than the movie involves costumed crime-fighters. The movie has received an R/18A rating everywhere. Anyone with the intelligence to do a google search on the Watchmen would see it’s not for children.
The rest of your arguments are equally vapid. You sneer at the story for having an alternate timeline. Is it safe to assume you also hold great literature like 1984 and Brave New World in contempt because they make up history as well? Keep in mind that those books are full of messages against a controlling, totalitarian government which promotes (in BNW at least) the exact sexual and other immorality that you despise. But you probably do hate those books, because you would rather exist in a world where you don’t have to confront evil. Wake up. Things like what happens in the Watchmen happen every day. The point of the book is to get people thinking, which you’d obviously they rather not do, a trait you share with innumerable totalitarian leaders past and present on the Left and Right.
I await your insulting, uncivil response. In fact, since this is my first comment and you have to approve it, you may decide not to post it at all, although I hope you have the decency and respect for healthy debate which is the cornerstone of our great nation to allow my voice to be heard.

S_Johnson on March 6, 2009 at 1:26 am

Debbie’s not afraid to confront evil, in fact she fancies herself a crusader. Of course, in her deranged, paranoid mind, evil = Islam. Remember Debbie, right after the Virginia Tech shootings, when you insinuated that, because the description of the shooting was “asian male” and there is a large population of Pakistani students at VT, that the shooter must have been a Muslim? Good times. You loon.

al on March 6, 2009 at 1:43 am

I was just wondering why she objected to the fact that a work of fiction accurately portrayed the evil that goes on in the world. So people who watch evil things are evil? Are people who watch documentaries of the Holocaust evil? Or is it just fictional evil you have a problem with? Should Dante’s Inferno be censored because of the graphic descriptions of torment portrayed in it? Is everyone that reads an account of violence, no matter how accurate, glorying in that violence?
No reasonable person could say this, and yet that is what Ms. Schlussel is clearly suggesting in her statements above.
I eagerly await a response to clear this up.

S_Johnson on March 6, 2009 at 1:54 am

It’s one thing for you to rip the plot, story, acting, directing; all the things that make up a movie. That’s part of being a film critic, presenting an opinion on the film you’ve just seen. I can understand being upset by the content of any movie but the film is rated R, if someone takes their kid to see it and they’re mortified, it’s their own fault. Look at the ratings of a film before taking your kid to see it. It’s called parenting. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
Also,
“Remember the White single mother who told me her ten-year-old son could see it because “he knows it’s not real and he knows the difference between right and wrong”? Well, she was back with her ten-year-old, and they waited in line for at least two hours with their free pass to get in to this screening, I’m told. I saw them walking out at the end.
Her son is going to grow up to be messed up.”
No, I don’t know about that mother because I hadn’t heard of you before I got link to this review but good for her if she’s able to make an informed decision and discuss movies with her son. I saw films such as Terminator and Die Hard when I was of that age. I turned out fine. I have an absolutely clean criminal record, no arrests or anything. I think it’s really self-righteous for you to criticize the parenting decisions of others based on something as small as seeing a movie and then condemn the kid as turning out messed up.
I get it, you don’t like the movie, your entitled to your opinion and while I haven’t seen it, I’ll probably disagree. I just think trashing an entire movie based on the fact it’s not a kid’s film even though it’s rated R, doesn’t make any sense.

Ewing on March 6, 2009 at 3:08 am

Now… correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t most of the things listed; rape, torture, murder, all listed in the bible? Not in the same manner, yes, but that’s because the bible is a book, and the watchman is a comic book. Imagine if you illustrated the bible, and not just the, “heal the blind”, “fishes and loaves”, “Jesus is love” parts, but all of it. The sex, the murder, the rape. Then think about it; parents bring their children to church, kids are encouraged to read the bible. Since their aren’t any pictures of what’s happening, it’s okay for the kids to read it, and believe in it?

CaptainAwesome on March 6, 2009 at 4:19 am

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