March 4, 2009, - 12:21 pm

The “Watchmen” Lie: Hollywood Sends More Depravity Your Kids’ Way Costumed as “Superhero” Flick

By Debbie Schlussel
**** UPDATE, 03/05/09: Watchmen Derangement Syndrome Takes Hold; Movie Continues to Be Marketed to Kids ****
If you take your kids to see “Watchmen,” you’re a moron.
If you see it yourself, you’re also probably a moron and a vapid, indecent human being. The movie arrives in theaters at Midnight, Thursday Night. It’s rated “R”–which should kinda sorta be a hint–but it really deserves an “NC-17,” at the very least. And plenty of clueless parents brought their young kids and kept them there for the entire almost three hour “experience” at the screening I attended.
Yes, I know, it’s being heavily marketed as a superhero movie, with action figures for your kids. But that–and the heroic-looking movie trailer–are a big, fat lie. And that’s where real parenting comes in . . . like actually investigating the movie before you take or send your kids to see this garbage.
In fact, as a movie critic who sees most new releases, I haven’t seen a more violent, depraved movie in years (not to mention a longer, more boring movie with a more preposterous and silly plot). This movie makes the graphic bloodshed of the recently released “Friday the 13th” look like “Cinderella.”

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This really isn’t a superhero movie at all. In fact, there was little “superheroing” until after the second hour of this nearly three-hour exercise on defining deviancy down. Some on the right are claiming this is a conservative movie because it’s made by some of the same people as “300” (read my review). But this is no “300.” (And that wasn’t for kids either, but this is far much less so.) A few lines of dialogue by the character “Rorschach” deriding “liberals and intellectuals” doesn’t excuse the nearly three hours of poison here. In fact, the movie kind of has a peacenik-themed ending and “message” regarding nuclear weapons. If this move is “conservative,” who the heck needs liberal?
There were so many disgusting, violent, morbid, grisly scenes and acts of killing, I had to start writing them down, lest I forget. And that’s in addition to the rape scene between superheroes (complete with violent beating of a female superhero) and an explicit sex scene between two other superheroes. Oh, and don’t forget another superhero’s swinging computer-generated penis frequently in your face on-screen.
In just the opening credits of this mindless celluloid claptrap, there’s a lesbian take-off on the famous photo of a woman kissing a sailor in Manhattan who is returning victorious from World War II. The lesbian make-out scene, featuring a “superhero,” is bad enough. But then, we see cops looking over their naked, bloodied, dead bodies on a bed, with the words “LESBIAN WHORES,” written in blood on the wall.
Mommy, mommy, what’s a lesbian? What’s a whore? And remember, this is just the opening credits.
The “plot” of this movie–if you can call it a plot–is that there were costumed superheroes in the ’40s and beyond. They grew old, but some of them didn’t. Then a new crop of costumed superheroes with special powers cropped up, some of whom were related to the older ones and some who still remained from the older group. But they all retired. Now, a superhero known as “The Comedian”–who is also a rapist and shot a Vietnamese woman who was pregnant with his kid (all of which we see depicted on-screen)–is murdered, and some of the superheroes, the “Watchmen,” get back together to find out who did it.
At the same time, the Soviets are about to nuke America. It’s 1985 and Nixon is President. We’ve won in Vietnam. Oh, and Henry Kissinger has a Russian accent. And Ronald Reagan is thinking of running for President in 1988. Wow, isn’t that cool that they got it wrong on purpose? I’m so amazed at this “high-brow art” of deliberately getting dates and timelines wrong, you know, just to be “artistic,” and get the drooling of the critics. That is sooooo genius. Like way totally cool.
Maybe if I make a movie about how Eisenhower was President in 1972, we “lost” World War II, and Bin Laden was gonna bomb the World Trade Center then, I’ll be cool, too. . . so long as it’s “dark” and I include a bunch of rape, torture, explicit sex scenes, and extremely graphic killings, and oh, write a “graphic novel” a/k/a comic book about it, first.
In the midst of this stupid story, we’re treated to the following:
* Dogs fighting over, tearing apart, and eating a six-year-old girl–we’re shown them chowing down on and tearing apart the remaining leg and leg bone, with the sock and shoe still on the bone as the dogs wrestle over it;
* A close up of man repeatedly getting an axe-blade driven through his skull while he’s being butchered;
* At least two very graphic scenes of naked superhero “Dr. Manhattan” vaporizing people to just blood, limbs, and guts hanging from the ceiling or spread in the snow;
* Many scenes of Dr. Manhattan’s computer generated penis swinging about;
* A kid biting a giant, bloody chunk of flesh out of another kid’s face–he grows up to be “Rorschach,” one of the superheroes’ compatriots;
* A man’s hands and arms being sawed off with an electric saw–we’re shown the bloody stumps and the bloody sawed off limbs in close up shots;
* A man with vat of hot french fry oil deliberately thrown over his head–we literally see him fry, and he ultimately dies, we’re told (no kidding);
* Many, many scenes of people’s hands, arms, fingers being broken in half or crunched by the “superheroes”;
* Cops being set on fire and burning to death by superhero compatriot “Rorschach;”
* Superhero “The Comedian” (a bad Robert Downey, Jr. look-alike) brutally beating and raping another superhero–tis movie concludes that the rape was a good thing b/c the slutty superhero had a slutty superhero daughter from him;
* Superhero “The Comedian” shooting and killing a Vietnamese woman because she’s pregnant with his kid;
* Superhero “The Comedian” being thrown off a roof of a tall building–we see his body hit the ground and the blood flow out;
* Two superheroes have an explicit sex scene in a spaceship–she’s on top, then he’s on top, awesome–you can teach your young kids multiple sexual positions before they even reach puberty, by taking them to see this (there’s a less explicit sex scene between the slutty superheroine and another superhero not long before that).
And these are just the highlights, plus superheroes hurling obscenities–great for the kiddies. There’s so much more–along with horrible make-up, bad acting, and terrible computer generated images (including the penis). Not to mention, a bad, extremely slow, and boring script.
Yup, this is the garbage that Rupert Murdoch’s Fox and Warner Brothers and Paramount are marketing toward your kids. All of these studios have a piece in this movie. And even thought the budget was just $100 to $125 million, because of a long legal battler between WB and Fox, the legal fees and pay-out make it such that they must recoup at least $200 or 300 million and make a profit. To do so, they are pimping the movie to all niches, especially your young kids.
But just because shameless whores and crack dealers of Hollywood deal this stuff out, doesn’t mean you have to buy it and poison your kids’ minds with it.
Remember the morons I told you about who took their kids to see the latest “Friday the 13th,” last month? Well, they were back with their kids at a Monday Night screening of this horribly depraved, whacked out movie.
Remember the White single mother who told me her ten-year-old son could see it because “he knows it’s not real and he knows the difference between right and wrong”? Well, she was back with her ten-year-old, and they waited in line for at least two hours with their free pass to get in to this screening, I’m told. I saw them walking out at the end.
Her son is going to grow up to be messed up. Don’t do the same to your kid.
And do yourself a favor, too. Save the ten bucks and the three hours of your life you’ll never get back. And the nightmares of some guy’s bloody, sawed-off arms and hands still clinging to the doors of a jail cell.
I don’t just worry that this is the new superhero movie being marketed to your kids today. I worry about the ones that will be even more depraved a decade from now.
G-d help this country (minus Hollywood).
FOUR MARXES PLUS
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367 Responses

Ms. Schlussel, I have to warn you on one more thing. the movie you’re describing is a VERY accurate remake of the comic book. I’ve always been amazed, even as a kid, at the kinds of things that happened in comics all the time. They’ve been very dark and frankly kind of disgusting for quite a long time. For some reason people don’t think to monitor the content of their kids’ comics. If you are a parent, take a moment to read through some of the stuff your kids are taking home from the comics shop!

Etain Peregrine on March 4, 2009 at 2:22 pm

I don’t know if you’re aware of the backgroud on the Watchmen,the graphic novel not the movie. It was never intended to be a superhero story in the vein of Superman,Spiderman etc..etc..the fans of the story don’t go in expecting it. Frankly from what I’ve seen the movie hasn’t been marketed as one.
I haven’t seen the film so I can’t speak to it’s merits but if you go in expecting a traditional superhero movie you’re going to be disappointed.
In regards to adults bringing kids to inappropriate movies, I saw a couple bring their 4 or 5 year old boy with them to see the movie Hostel, eek!
[J: IT IS, INDEED, BEING MARKETED AS A SUPERHERO MOVIE IN TV TRAILERS AND IN TOYS AND ACTION FIGURES TO KIDS. THE THING IS THAT MOST PARENTS DON’T READ THE GRAPHIC NOVELS AND ARE UNAWARE THAT IT’S NOT REALLY A SUPERHERO MOVIE. THAT’S BEING DONE DELIBERATELY BY THE STUDIOS WHO DESPERATELY NEED EVERYONE’S MONEY TO MAKE A PROFIT ON THIS THING. DS]

Jennifer on March 4, 2009 at 2:42 pm

Cartoon porn. And here I thought kiddie porn – the portrayal of children depicted engaged in sexual acts was repulsive enough.
Its not enough to feed children to Molech to satisfy depraved adult desires. No we must show children what adult desires are like when they are young enough before they are fed to Molech.
That’s sick. Is it my imagination or has the pedophile market now expanded to anime? This cartoon sex and gorefest is not fit to be shown either to children or to adults. Filth is still filth no matter how much Hollywood tries to wrap it in deceptive marketing.
And its our job to make sure we know what’s really behind the cover – you can’t always judge a book or a movie by the title cover!
Caveat emptor!

NormanF on March 4, 2009 at 2:49 pm

All the trailers and commercials I’ve seen for the film have been extremely dark in tone and show nothing heroic about the characters. I wouldn’t classify any commericals or trailers I’ve seen as being targeted at kids unless the characters simply being “superheros” automatically makes it aimed at kids.
Can’t speak to the toys and such,there’s no arguing with that aspect though.

Jennifer on March 4, 2009 at 2:59 pm

This is why conservatives have a tough problem today. The pop culture undermines faith, family and freedom. Its hard to defend our values when they’re repeatedly trashed. The last thing on earth conservatives ought to be doing is subsidizing movies like “Watchmen” with their dollars. It goes to the principle that when you encourage bad behavior, you get a lot more of it.
Which is the last thing America needs.

NormanF on March 4, 2009 at 3:07 pm

The heroes in Watchmen other than Dr Manhattan don’t have powers – that’s the main premise of the story. And the historical rewrites are because of changed outcomes for the story – there’s a lot of interesting themes in the book that probably don’t translate well to the screen, but that’s Hollywood’s fault, as usual.

Ted on March 4, 2009 at 3:11 pm

Ugh. My first job (way too long ago) was in a comic book store. I never saw a Watchmen graphic novel. That’s why I was looking forward to this movie. I wanted to learn more about this particular story.
I’ve disagreed with a few of the reviews in the past. But, the detail in the list you provided is just disgusting. No Watchmen for me.
Now, if we can get someone to make Liberality for All into a movie…or a remake of Red Dawn called Red Crescent Rising…that would be nice.
(Those graphic novels (Liberality) feature people you really don’t like-Vanity for one. I will be the first to admit that I have not read the entire series. But, this alternate universe is really interesting and very scary!)

cirrus1701 on March 4, 2009 at 3:31 pm

Debbie, to be fair, the Nixon/Kissinger thing isn’t wrong on purpose.
In the alternate universe of this story, Nixon had Woodward/Bernstein assassinated, thus preventing the Watergate Scandal. He then managed to get the 22nd Ammendment repealed, removing term limits, and so was re-elected in 1976, 1980, and 1984.
So that is why he is still President in 1985. I guess the movie didn’t explain that like the graphic novel does (not that I’ve read it, but intrigued by the Nixon thing, I looked it up).

Mike L on March 4, 2009 at 3:42 pm

A few caveats:
The action figures are not being marketed to kids. They are being marketed to adults. Loser adults, yes, but adults nonetheless. I don’t think you’re going to see Rorschach action figures at Toys R Us. There is a large subculture of adults who buy action figures, usually from comic book stores; they are the market for this, not children.
I disagree with your contention that this is being marketed to kids. The commercials are so dark, and filled with literal warnings that this isn’t a normal superhero movie, that it’s hard to imagine a kid being drawn to it anyway. It doesn’t look like a fun movie for kids.
Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not a fan. I read the comic twenty years ago so I know what this is, and it’s hard to see how it would appeal to anyone outside of vapid college liberals (or their emotionally and intellectually equivalent older counterparts), the more conspiracy-minded the better.
But it was not made as a film for children, and I don’t think it’s being sold as one, either. I’m far more taken aback by the aggressive promotion of casual promiscuity on NBC’s legitimately youth-oriented series Chuck, for example, or the straight-faced criticism of pre-marital abstinence on The CW’s teen series Privileged.
Those things I find alarming. But WATCHMEN? Why attack adult entertainment for not being kid friendly when there are much better targets?
This film, by the way, will probably tank. Maybe a strong opening weekend, but then a huge drop. It will be dead in three weeks.

Kensington on March 4, 2009 at 3:51 pm

“Why attack adult entertainment for not being kid friendly…?”
Quite so.
I’m one of those “loser adults” that Kensington mentions (or at least I hang around them and don’t despise them) and the last thing that I’d do is assume that just because something is animated or has costumed “superheroes” that it’s targeted toward or appropriate for children. I wasn’t familiar with Watchmen previously but nothing that I’ve seen about it led me to believe that it was anything other than Sin City in tights.
Any time someone uses the term “graphic novel” it’s a huge honking clue.
Superman and Spiderman and even Batman are from “comic books”.
[S: WOW, YOU ARE SOOOO SMART. PLENTY OF PARENTS WILL THINK THIS IS A SUPERHERO MOVIE. THE TV TRAILER AND TOYS ARE BEING MARKETED TO KIDS. WAKE THE HECK UP. DS]

Synova on March 4, 2009 at 4:44 pm

Debbie: You have totally missed the point of “Watchmen.” The whole book stems from a quote by the Roman poet Juvenal, “Who watches the Watchmen.” The book was/is about life in the 1980s if superheroes really did exist. It posits that superheroes would have real human weaknesses and desires and some of them would be just plain awful people such as the Comedian. Some of them would be utterly insane like Rorschach (a vision of what Batman would really be like). Some of them would be so powerful that they would start to think of themselves as no longer human like Dr. Manhattan. And some would attempt to change the world like Ozymandias. This is not a story for children. It is very dark and it was intended to be. That’s why most of us who have been waiting more than 20 years for this movie are so happy that it has a hard “R” rating. Otherwise, it would not be “The Watchmen.” As for the action figures, I guarantee that more adults will buy them for collectibles than as toys for their kids.

fleiter on March 4, 2009 at 5:07 pm

Ugh, how completely depraved!!!
Sounds like a gladiator day at the Roman Colisseum, bleah,

mplumb on March 4, 2009 at 5:07 pm

I never finished the watchmen graphic novel. I went to the end to see who killed the nut job “the comedian”. I saw where the novel was going with the rape and the war atrocities. I did ask myself why the other heroes would care who killed the comedian, and I’m pretty sure the character Rorshach would have killed him himself. I have tried to tell other conservatives that this was not a conservative movie. Conservatives actually like the idea of superheroes as actual “heroes”.

billc on March 4, 2009 at 5:15 pm

Deb, HOLLYWOOD HAS NEVER GOTTEN IT NOR WILL THEY EVER GET IT UNTIL THE BIG ONE STRIKES UNDERNEATH L-A DESTROYING THE MOVIE/TV STUDIO AND HOPEFULLY SENDING THE ACTORS TO THE DEATHS IN HELL!
By the way, the three superhero films I like
Superman (1978)–Chris Reeve is my generation’s last son of Krypton.
Spider-man; Spider-Man 2–With number 2 better than number 1; more action, thrills and excitement despite the presence of leftard vegan Tobey Maguire.
Anyone who goes and sees this film with their kids–YOU MAY AS WELL BE COMMITTING CHILD ABUSE!

NEPatriot on March 4, 2009 at 5:31 pm

“Conservatives actually like the idea of superheroes as actual “heroes”.”
No, billc.
Conservatives actually like the idea of good and evil, no matter how muddled, conflicted or flawed.

Synova on March 4, 2009 at 5:47 pm

The difference is original sin and a propensity for evil, vs. inherent goodness in a state of nature.

Synova on March 4, 2009 at 5:50 pm

After reading this entire entry, you obviously have not done your homework on Watchmen.
This is NOT a story geared towards kids, neither is it’s merchandising. The toys are for total comic book nerds who want to collect them and pass them on to their comic book nerd children when they get old enough. Really, I’ve never seen a superhero fan-child who says, “Mom! Please buy me a Rorschach figure! I wanna be just like him!” Children don’t know who these characters are, and will probably never know who they are unless A.) They read the graphic novel when they come of age, or B.) They see the film. Which brings up another thing: The film is rated R for a reason. It’s not for children; it’s for adults. The plot (And yes, there IS a plot, a fantastic plot, may I add.) deals with what would happen if “superheroes” existed in the real world. They aren’t superheroes; they’re regular people in a regular world. And what’s in a regular world? Gore, violence, sex, and depravity. This isn’t Superman, this isn’t Spider-Man, this is a murder mystery that just happens to have masked vigilantes thrown into the mix. Yes, there’s gore; yes, there’s violence, and yes, there’s sex and depravity. Does that make Watchmen a bad film? Does that make it a bad story? No, it doesn’t. It’s just not a story that you would read to your kids as a bedtime story.
If any parent is thinking about taking their children to see this film, I strongly advise against it. Hello? It’s rated R, and based on a GRAPHIC novel. You can’t get anymore blatant than that. However, if the parent(s) wants to see it, I highly recommend it. Watchmen is NOT stupid, not in the slightest; it’s actually quite intelligent. The thing is YOU have to be intelligent to fully enjoy it.
[CC: UH, I DON’T NEED TO “DO MY HOMEWORK” WHEN I WATCH AND CRITIQUE A MOVIE THAT’S SICKENING AND MARKETED AT KIDS. ALL I NEED TO DO IS WATCH IT AND KEEP MY SANITY, WHICH ALL OF YOU WATCHMEN IDIOTS APPARENTLY LONG AGO GAVE UP. WHICH PART OF “PARENTS *DID* TAKE THEIR YOUNG KIDS TO SEE IT” DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. NO, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE INTELLIGENT TO FULLY ENJOY IT. ON THE CONTRARY, AS YOU AND THE OTHER WATCHMEN IDIOTS HAVE DEMONSTRATED, YOU HAVE TO BE A COMPLETE FLIPPING IDIOT WITH ZERO INTELLECT AND SOUL. CALLING THIS STUPID STORYLINE A FANTASTIC PLOT JUST SHOWS HOW SIMPLE AND EMPTY YOU ARE. DS]

captainclown9915 on March 4, 2009 at 6:07 pm

debbie,
for one who says she used to collect comics, to not know about watchmen, is pretty much blasphemy. so turn in your geek card and step off.
oh…and surprise…this is supposed to be a vision of an alternate united states, where instead of comic book heroes, they are real people. get it?
in this alternate universe, we win in vietnam, nixon gets to keep running, we have electric cars…and there is no detente because superman is real and he is american….get it?
[UJM: HUH? I NEVER SAID I COLLECT COMIC BOOKS TO KNOW ABOUT “THE WATCHMEN.” I KNOW YOU READ THAT ON IMDB AND ARE REPEATING WHATEVER THE DUMMIES LIKE YOU ARE TELLING YOU THERE, BUT I NEVER SAID THAT. WOW, SO IF PEOPLE ARE REAL–AS IN REAL VIOLENT–AND THEY CHANGE HISTORICAL EVENTS DELIBERATELY, THEN THAT MAKES IT REAL COOL AND HIGHBROW. THANKS FOR THE TIP. AND THANKS FOR EDUCATING ME THAT RAPE AND GRISLY VIOLENCE IS HIGH CULTURE THAT I DON’T “GET.” GO TELL IT TO YOUR FRIENDS AT COMMUNITY COLLEGE FILM CLASS OR G.E.D. SCHOOL. IT MIGHT FLY THERE. FYI, MEIN KAMPF IS A VISION OF AN ALTERNATE WORLD. MAYBE WE SHOULD WORSHIP THAT, TOO, AIRHEAD. DS]

uncle joe mccarthy on March 4, 2009 at 7:06 pm

You really don’t get the f*cking comic do you?
Conservative whining.
Biggest facepalm ever.
[R: UM, WHICH PART OF “THIS MOVIE IS BEING MARKETED TO KIDS” DIDN’T YOU GET? PLEASE REPEAT THE FIRST GRADE AND LEARN TO READ. DS]

Razzia on March 4, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Here’s a thought:
Don’t take your kids to rated R films.
I’m forming a third party. Conservatives who aren’t retarded. We’ll be a minority, but damn it, with friends like you, who need enemies?
[TS: I’M FORMING A THIRD PARTY–CONSERVATIVES WHO CAN READ AND COMPREHEND–WHICH MEANS YOU’RE EXCLUDED. WHICH PART OF MY COLUMN ABOUT HOW PARENTS TOOK THEIR KIDS TO THIS AND HOW THIS MOVIE IS BEING MARKETED TO KIDS DIDN’T YOU UNDERSTAND? READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. WITH DUMMIES LIKE YOU, WHO NEEDS THE MENTALLY DISABLED? DS]

TetraShiva on March 4, 2009 at 7:08 pm

Let’s just join the Left in defining deviancy down. People who see nothing wrong with rape, hardcore pornography and extreme graphic violence in a cartoon are people we don’t need in the conservative movement. Today we celebrate vice and damn virtue.
What’s next?

NormanF on March 4, 2009 at 7:14 pm

THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS MOVIE BEING BLOODY AND LOADED WITH SEX, YOU IDIOT.
This is a remake of a graphic novel; a comic book. And more than that, the writers and other parts of the crew are trying to break the mold on superhero movies. Don’t infringe upon their creativity, that’s low, even for fascists like you.
If some lady wants to take a ten year old to see a movie like this, JUST LET THEM. I can’t believe anti-choice morons like you. THE VIEWERSHIP OF THESE MOVIES DOES NOT AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY. GET OVER IT.
[USA: AH, SO IF IT’S A REMAKE OF A GRAPHIC NOVEL A/K/A COMIC BOOK, THEN ANYTHING GOES, HUH? GREAT REASONING. THANKS FOR EXPLAINING TO ME THE COMPLETELY IDIOTIC REASONING BEHIND SUPPORTING AND MINDLESSLY DEFENDING THIS PIECE OF CRAP. WE KNOW WHO THE IDIOT IS–THE GUY YOU SEE IN YOUR MIRROR. IF SOMEONE RAPES YOUR MOTHER AND SLICES OFF YOUR LIMBS WITH AN ELECTRIC SAW, I WON’T CARE, BECAUSE, AFTER ALL IT WAS IN A GRAPHIC NOVEL FIRST, “YOU IDIOT.” SO WE SHOULD CELEBRATE THIS KIND OF THING. OH, AND I THINK I’LL DONATE A CAPE AND MASK TO THE RAPIST/LIMB-CUTTER. BECAUSE, AFTER ALL, WE MUST BREAK THE MOLD OF THE SUPERHERO AND CELEBRATE IT. ANTI-CHOICE? SHE MADE THE CHOICE WHEN SHE HAD A KID. THIS IS CHILD ABUSE, BUT HEY, IT WAS IN A GRAPHIC NOVEL AND BREAKS THE MOLD OF SUPERHEROES. BRAVO. DS]

United States of Anarchy on March 4, 2009 at 7:21 pm

And this wasn’t made for kids anyways.
[USA: REALLY? THEN WHY ARE THEY MARKETING IT TO KIDS? WAKE THE HECK UP AND QUIT BEING SO SELFISH LIKE THESE PARENTS WHO TAKE THEIR KIDS TO THIS MOVIE. DS]

United States of Anarchy on March 4, 2009 at 7:21 pm

Wow, Debbie.
Someone hacked your site and is posting rants about reading comprehension.
At what point has Watchmen been marketed to children? Post links or something because I haven’t seen it. It’s rated R. The advertisements that I’ve seen have been clear that this is dark, violent, apocalyptic stuff.
But then I don’t automatically assume that because something is animated or has costumes that it’s made for children.
That people are inclined to see anything from certain categories as “kid stuff” is an indication of their own ignorance, and not the ignorance of the people who know better.
By all means, be clear to those who *are* ignorant that they should not make those assumptions and should absolutely not take children to this movie any more than they’d take a child to Kill Bill. Please do.

Synova on March 4, 2009 at 7:43 pm

Great review, Debbie, and I feel for you having to sit thru that one! It sounds like a movie you would not want to admit to seeing and a waste of money. Lets just hope the market for this junk is not there and hollywierd won’t be encouraged to produce another one like it…
God Bless…

Mewize on March 4, 2009 at 7:46 pm

Hm… I’m pretty sure I didn’t call you any names. I guess I’m allowed to now since you’ve made me feel absolutely terrible. Really, there’s no need for you to be a complete ass just because I don’t agree with you. It’s called a different point of view, and calling me a “flipping Watchmen idiot”, and “simple and empty” still doesn’t change my opinion whatsoever. You ranting and raving in all caps just shows more of what a complete dolt you are. Oh boy, you’re acting aggressive on the internet, that makes you SO hardcore.
Oh, and if Watchmen so geared towards children, why have I not heard any of the children that I watch talk about it?
I WAS tactful in my previous comment. Now I’m just going to be blunt. If anyone’s an idiot, dear Lord, it’s you.
[CLOWN (AN APPROPRIATE NAME): YOU’RE NOT A READER OF THIS SITE, OR YOU’D KNOW THAT I RESPOND TO ALL COMMENTERS IN CAPS, B/C THIS PROGRAM GIVES ME NO OTHER WAY OF DIFFERENTIATING MY RESPONSES TO COMMENTS. I KNOW THEY DIDN’T TELL YOU THAT ON THE CLUELESS WATCHMEN FANATIC SITES THAT DIRECTED YOU HERE. YOUR COMMENT WAS FULL OF INSULTS TO ME, ALL OF WHICH WERE BETTER SUITED TO YOUR MIRROR. THE KIDS I SAW WERE AT A SPECIAL PROMOTIONAL SCREENING, WHICH MEANS FEW IN AMERICA HAVE SEEN IT YET. GET A CLUE. SOMEHOW, I’M SURE THE KIDS YOU WATCH AREN’T THE END ALL/BE ALL, OMNISCIENTLY REPRESENTING ALL KIDS IN AMERICA. DS]

captainclown9915 on March 4, 2009 at 7:49 pm

If it’s so badly written why was it on Times list of best novels since 1923?
[TM: AH, WELL, IF TIME (WHICH IS STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE) SAYS SO, THEN IT MUST BE TRUE! TELL THAT TO ARIEL SHARON. DS]

TomM on March 4, 2009 at 7:51 pm

“THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS MOVIE BEING BLOODY AND LOADED WITH SEX, YOU IDIOT.
This is a remake of a graphic novel; a comic book. And more than that, the writers and other parts of the crew are trying to break the mold on superhero movies. Don’t infringe upon their creativity, that’s low, even for fascists like you.
If some lady wants to take a ten year old to see a movie like this, JUST LET THEM. I can’t believe anti-choice morons like you. THE VIEWERSHIP OF THESE MOVIES DOES NOT AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY. GET OVER IT.”
LISTEN UP U.S. OF ANARCHY, I HAVE A QUESTION WHO MADE YOU SO PERMISSIVE IN THIS SOCIETY PERVERT?!?!? AND WHY DO YOU HATE THIS COUNTRY?! ANSWER MY QUESTION, JERK AND DO NOT GIVE DEBBIE A BAD TIME! AND I AIN’T GONNA SAY PLEASE BECAUSE YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A SCHMUCK! I COULD CARE THE HELL LESS IF THE WATCHMEN WAS A GRAPHIC NOVEL. THE G-WORD ALONE IS AN INSTANT WARNING. I HAVEN’T PICKED UP A COMIC BOOK IN AGES. THIS WATCHMEN MAY PLEASE MIND NUMBED FANATICS LIKE YOU…NOT ME!

NEPatriot on March 4, 2009 at 7:54 pm

Marketed at kids?! What marketing have you been seeing? All of the trailers and ads are dark and grim. And the “action figures” are collector’s pieces priced at nearly $200 a set. You will not find them at your local toy store next to the pokemon figures. You will not see a Watchmen toys packed with Happy-meals, and if nothing else, the R-rating should be a hint.
This film is (by most accounts) a faithful adaptation of a graphic novel that was published over 20 years ago and has been acclaimed by Time Magazine as one of the 100 best English language novels of the 20th century. It is not Spider-man. No one ever tried to fool anyone into thinking that it was. There’s really no excuse for making such a mistake.
[K: YES, LIBERAL TIME MAGAZINE–THE ARBITER OF ALL TRUTH. JUST ASK ARIEL SHARON AND THE MILLIONS OF SUBSCRIBERS WHO NO LONGER SUBSCRIBE TO THAT PIECE OF CRAP. THE TRAILERS ON TV ARE NOT DARK AND DO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A SUPERHERO MOVIE, PERIOD. AND THEY ARE MARKETING TOYS TO KIDS, AND THEY’VE BEEN SHOWING PREVIEWS AT PG AND PG-13 MOVIES. YOU DON’T THINK KIDS SEE THESE. WAKE THE HECK UP. THIS BLIND WATCHMEN ILLNESS IS WORSE THAN I’VE ALREADY DIAGNOSED. DS]

kaibur on March 4, 2009 at 8:08 pm

Maybe you should do some research before you go writing a blog about a movie whose background you know nothing about. If you did, you might find out that the watchmen was made in the 1980’s.
And you totally missed the message of the Watchmen. It’s not the traditional, save the world, be a hero comic. It’s more realistic. The world is a dark, scary place.

Katayyy on March 4, 2009 at 8:13 pm

You should do some research about the graphic novel before you go writing a blog about the movie. If you did, you might find out that the watchmen was made in the 1980’s.
And you totally missed the message of the Watchmen. It’s not the traditional, save the world, be a hero comic. It’s more realistic. The world is a dark, scary place.
[K: AH, YES–THE BACKGROUND EXCUSE. SO, IF THERE’S A “BACKGROUND” OF A “GRAPHIC NOVEL” THAT MAKES ALL OF THIS GRAPHIC VIOLENCE AND DEPRAVITY LIKE TOTALLY AWESOME. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT’S ABOUT AND THE BACKGROUND, AND THAT DOESN’T JUSTIFY A THING. SO SAD FOR HITLER–HE COMMITTED SUICIDE WAY TOO SOON. IF HE’D ONLY HUNG ON TO THE YEAR 2009 AND THE “BACKGROUND” AND “GRAPHIC NOVEL” EXCUSE, THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS SO MUCH BETTER. I GOT THE “MESSAGE”–NOT SURE HOW IT JUSTIFIES A THING. SOME SAY HITLER HAD A “GREAT MESSAGE.” EVER READ MEIN KAMPF? I GUESS MAYBE A MESSAGE JUSTIFIES COOKING PEOPLE IN OVENS, TOO. BUT, HEY, HE FORGOT TO MAKE MEIN KAMPF INTO A GRAPHIC NOVEL. BIG MISTAKE.
OH, AND YES, LET’S MAKE THE WORLD EVEN MORE OF A DARK SCARY PLACE BY MAKING THESE KINDS OF MOVIES TO BE INHALED BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU. AWESOME. DS]

Katayyy on March 4, 2009 at 8:14 pm

You, ma’am, are a complete idiot. I have read your article and your comments in reply to others who have tried to (calmly and informatively) explain things to you.
‘Watchmen’ takes place in an alternate universe first off, they did NOT get the dates and timelines wrong.
None of the characters are supposed to be perfect. They are supposed to be real people. Real people who have no powers and live in the real, dark, violent, crime-filled world. They have real problems and real faults and real personalities.
It is also the first and (so far) only GRAPHIC NOVEL to have won the prestigious Hugo Award for excellence in science fiction. And is on Time’s list of the best novels since 1923 (as has been noted before this).
The film is NOT marketed at children, always having been presented as a dark and gritty story. It is also rated R. The fact that people HAVE taken children to see it only makes me sad for those poor stupid parents who can’t be bothered to read up on a movie enough to even see its rating before taking their children to it. It is entirely the parents fault, not the marketing or anything else, because they do not PAY ATTENTION TO THE THINGS THEIR KIDS SEE.
America is too stuck in the mindset that superheroes and comic books and cartoons are for children. They AREN’T anymore, and if it takes the shock value of some moron parent taking their kids to see this movie before anything is done about it, then so be it. People need to learn to PAY ATTENTION to what they show their children.

Cheshire on March 4, 2009 at 8:20 pm

I’m being called an idiot. I wear the label with pride – if “conservatives” are for looking at things your mother wouldn’t approve of, its no wonder the movement has lost its way. I don’t need to see someone raped, tortured and murdered to know those acts are evil and always wrong. G-d help those who don’t get it!

NormanF on March 4, 2009 at 8:23 pm

You, ma’am, are a complete idiot. I have read your article and your comments in reply to others who have tried to (calmly and informatively) explain things to you.
‘Watchmen’ takes place in an alternate universe first off, they did NOT get the dates and timelines wrong.
None of the characters are supposed to be perfect. They are supposed to be real people. Real people who have no powers and live in the real, dark, violent, crime-filled world. They have real problems and real faults and real personalities.
It is also the first and (so far) only GRAPHIC NOVEL to have won the prestigious Hugo Award for excellence in science fiction. And is on Time’s list of the best novels since 1923 (as has been noted before this).
The film is NOT marketed at children, always having been presented as a dark and gritty story. It is also rated R. The fact that people HAVE taken children to see it only makes me sad for those poor stupid parents who can’t be bothered to read up on a movie enough to even see its rating before taking their children to it. It is entirely the parents fault, not the marketing or anything else, because they do not PAY ATTENTION TO THE THINGS THEIR KIDS SEE.
America is too stuck in the mindset that superheroes and comic books and cartoons are for children. They AREN’T anymore, and if it takes the shock value of some moron parent taking their kids to see this movie before anything is done about it, then so be it. People need to learn to PAY ATTENTION to what they show their children.
Posted by: Cheshire
Thank you.

captainclown9915 on March 4, 2009 at 8:24 pm

“THE TRAILERS ON TV ARE NOT DARK AND DO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A SUPERHERO MOVIE, PERIOD.”
Oh… Well, if you say so, I guess that overrides my view, so I won’t bother arguing the point further.
“AND THEY ARE MARKETING TOYS TO KIDS”
Because you say so? Where are the ads during children’s programming? Have you seen an ad for Watchmen figures on tv at all?
“AND THEY’VE BEEN SHOWING PREVIEWS AT PG AND PG-13 MOVIES. YOU DON’T THINK KIDS SEE THESE.”
There were also trailers for “Zack and Miri Make a Porno” at pg-13 films. Most people probably realized that it wasn’t for kids though. Yeah there are kids at pg and pg-13 films, but there are also lots and lots of 20-somethings and 30-somethings, and I think it’s safe for the studio to assume that there’s going to be overlap with the adults who go see “The Dark Knight” and adults who will want to see “Watchmen”. And once again, IT’S RATED R!
Finally, regardless of one’s opinion of Time Magazine, my point remains that “Watchmen” has been well known in popular culture since many of today’s parents were teens themselves. Two seconds of google research will tell anyone EXACTLY what type of story it is.

kaibur on March 4, 2009 at 8:30 pm

Cheshire would say there a “shock value” in evil. We’ve so gotten used to good that we are bored with it and no longer moved by it. As a boy, I used to collect comic books with superheroes and what was always clear to me is there was no doubt back then as to who won and who lost. Good, justice and the American way always triumphed. We miss that sense of certainty today, which our culture no longer esteems – and we’re the poorer for it. Debbie is right there is a sickness in our society and its more widespread than in just people defending a very sick movie. Its a bellwether to the rot that’s undermining American culture from within, one symptom of a disease we can’t see but whose effects are being felt everywhere.

NormanF on March 4, 2009 at 8:39 pm

Reading the comic now and from the first episode, I’d say the tone of the movie, based on Ms. Schlussel’s desciption, is _not_ faithful, though the action may be. Sounds like the filmmakers went far far out of their way to exploit, using the “based on a graphic novel” as an excuse. I may still see the movie, but no, it would be a less than responsible to expose a child to it. Watchmen creator has disowned all Hollywood treatment of his work.

Bill Shears on March 4, 2009 at 8:39 pm

While I respect your opinion, I don’t understand the tremendous amount of frustration and deriding that you’ve exhibited in your review and subsequent comments. Isn’t the grand scheme of an intelligent, thought-provoking debate to strive to sustain your argument.
I agree that the violence that you describe seems to be excessive (300’s violence was as well), and I perfectly concede that no parent should take their child to see a film that shows such a tremendous amount of violence. What I do not agree with is calling people “idiots” for simply deciding to go see the film. It undermines a core thesis you have here to basic name calling and, in the end, makes your entire review seem juvenile.
I would just beg in the future that for the skeptics out there (those who remain on the fence between being an unswaying fanatic for the work or a complete opponent to its existence)you try to present your arguments without needlessly insulting people. Thanks tremendously, and have a wonderful week.

mariop715 on March 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm

BWAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
You have got to be the dumbest blogger in the history of bloggers. As others have pointed out this graphic novel was never meant for children. It’s a mature story with mature themes. As for these toys you keep talking about, where? The ones from DC Direct? The ones that are only geared toward collectors? The toys for a movie from an industry that’s demographic is mainly 17-34 yr old males? Stop making stuff up.
The only thing that you did get right was saying it wasn’t about superheroes, it’s about people.
And one more, god forbid people see a big blue penis… don’t want to scar people from seeing a body part that’s colored blue.
later you stupid moron

Lonnie Machin on March 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm

Madam, I would like to simply point out that the previews declared that this movie was rated R and that the film is itself an adaptation of the Graphic Novel ‘Watchmen’
It’s intent was a sort of deconstruction of the Superhero genre including such things as the motivations for becoming those individuals.
The nudity of Dr. Manhattan which you complain about is part of his growing distance from humanity. He simply…doesn’t care anymore. About…well…anything. He even states in flashbacks in the comic (although I can’t be certain if it was utilized in the movie just yet) that ‘They say that I am a crime fighter, and so I should fight crime. The Morality of my actions escapes me.’
Rorschach is crazy, I will admit it. He’s a grizzled unbalanced man who has taken the view of a moral absolutist ‘There is good. There is evil. And evil must be violently punished.’
But really, what would you expect from a man who was motivated to become a masked vigilante by the Kitty Genovese murder? (A woman who is brutally murdered in front of her own apartment complex with as many as 40 witnesses who DIDN’T CALLED THE POLICE!)
I could go on, but I doubt the author of this blog post has bothered to read the whole of this once it became apparent I did not agree with her and I’m sure others can explain the psychology of the film/graphic novel far better than I can.

Mycroft on March 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm

debbie,
i couldve sworn that in a much earlier posting, you bragged about collecting comics as a girl…something to do with how you didnt like how hollywood was handling superheroes. if i am mistaken, i apologize.
let me ask you a question. it appears you know of imdb and are well versed in the internet. reviews of the movie have been popping up for the past week,so why didnt you read about the movie before attending? or at least read up on the source material, for it seems you chose to do neither, walked in cold thinking that you were going to watch xmen 4, and got the shock of your life.
unless they released a red band trailer, it would be very difficult to show the more graphic scenes in trailers. and they definitely couldnt show them on tv.
but the director and the stars have been very specific in stating that the movie is not for children.
i do suggest that you read the book.
while the author is an anarchist (he also wrote v for vendetta, a movie i am sure that you hated) he takes swipes at both wingnuts like you, and moonbats like me. my god, the villain of the piece is the biggest moonbat of them all.
not sure why you dont like rorshach…the dude even talks like el rushbo.
funny that you point to your review of 300, knowing full well that the director has a penchant for showing gore and sexuality, yet are shocked that both appear in this movie. and not once in your review of 300 did you note the feeling that it was made by a conservative.
i dont know if watchmen is a good movie, but if it pisses off wingnuts, im gonna force all my lib friends to see it.
if it cracks the 500 mil mark, maybe all your heads will explode…just like at the end of the novel, and the world that ozy imagined will come to fruition.
and all the whores and politicians will look up and say “save us” and i will whisper……NO

uncle joe mccarthy on March 4, 2009 at 8:49 pm

by the way, if a parent can’t bother themselves to find out what their kids are watching and reading they shouldn’t be parents to begin with.

Lonnie Machin on March 4, 2009 at 8:50 pm

[K: AH, YES–THE BACKGROUND EXCUSE. SO, IF THERE’S A “BACKGROUND” OF A “GRAPHIC NOVEL” THAT MAKES ALL OF THIS GRAPHIC VIOLENCE AND DEPRAVITY LIKE TOTALLY AWESOME. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT’S ABOUT AND THE BACKGROUND, AND THAT DOESN’T JUSTIFY A THING. SO SAD FOR HITLER–HE COMMITTED SUICIDE WAY TOO SOON. IF HE’D ONLY HUNG ON TO THE YEAR 2009 AND THE “BACKGROUND” AND “GRAPHIC NOVEL” EXCUSE, THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS SO MUCH BETTER. I GOT THE “MESSAGE”–NOT SURE HOW IT JUSTIFIES A THING. SOME SAY HITLER HAD A “GREAT MESSAGE.” EVER READ MEIN KAMPF? I GUESS MAYBE A MESSAGE JUSTIFIES COOKING PEOPLE IN OVENS, TOO. BUT, HEY, HE FORGOT TO MAKE MEIN KAMPF INTO A GRAPHIC NOVEL. BIG MISTAKE.
OH, AND YES, LET’S MAKE THE WORLD EVEN MORE OF A DARK SCARY PLACE BY MAKING THESE KINDS OF MOVIES TO BE INHALED BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU. AWESOME. DS]
Miss, the point still stands.
You can’t say a damn thing about Watchmen until you read the graphic novel. And why must you keep surrounding the term graphic novel in quotations? This novel has been called a literary masterpiece of the 20th century many times over. And no, not just because it’s a graphic novel. It’s considered so because it took the superhero genre and brought it to a whole new level.
Watchmen delves into its character’s psyches.
Also, don’t pin any of this on the author, Alan Moore, who has wanted nothing to do with the production of this film.
Also, how in God’s name does this film look like it’s aimed at kids?
‘The world will look up and shout “save us.”
And I’ll whisper, “no”.’
Yeah, how heroic, right?
These characters aren’t meant to resemble your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
And that’s partly the reason that the graphic novel was such a success in the 1980s.
It showed that even the great vigilantes have their dark side.
So before you continue to bash this movie, read the GRAPHIC NOVEL [notice no quotations, because it’s a genuine medium of art], and take another look at those commercials and trailers. Nowhere, amongst The Comedian’s flamethrower in Vietnam, Rorschach’s apathetic remarks, and Silk Spectre and Nite Owl’s kiss, and R rating, does this movie suggest it’s meant for kids.
P.S. – As for those action figures, there ARE adults who collect these as memorabilia. My guess is that they were manufactured with that in mind, moreso than for kids to play with in a sandbox.

Providence on March 4, 2009 at 8:54 pm

oh, and i have an ms in psychology and currently am employed as a systems administrator.
and one of the technical advisors on the film, who is also a fan of the book, is a phd in physics. you can see his vid, the science of watchmen, on youtube.
and boy, are you angry today
i think you should organize a protrest of the film.
when are you gonna be on oreilly so that you and he can point to watchmen as the ruination of all that is good and holy.

uncle joe mccarthy on March 4, 2009 at 8:54 pm

Deconstructionism… it fits in perfectly with what a lot of the critics have said on this thread. Basically, there’s the view there’s no such thing as objective reality. One person’s opinion as just valid as another’s. There is no difference between depravity and beauty. No one is preventing people from seeing the movie. Debbie made it clear its HER OPINION. That seems to drive people nuts as though if it isn’t one they like, the critic is the one who must be wrong. Its never the fault of the movie’s content. By all means, defend it because adults want to see people raped, tortured and hacked to death – for sheer fun… and if the characters are just cartoon figures, that somehow makes its all OK. I just don’t buy any of it and yes, I do believe there is such a thing as moral absolutes, for the record!

NormanF on March 4, 2009 at 8:59 pm

So I have seen this comment several times so far:
“And is on Time’s list of the best novels since 1923”, really, a late 80’s comic book has been on Times best list since 1923, what are you stupid.
first, it was a comic book, then collected in to a graphic novel. Plus it is the most over rated boring comic book in history. But every comic geek/nerd tries to play the “hey I’m cool I read watchmen” card. But they all give the same lame answer why they liked it, “it’s like the real world, but different, dude”
Luckily they haven’t over rated this movie as much as they did The Dark Night. Which was crap, plot holes you could drive a truck thru, bad acting (yes I mean Ledger and maggie) and more crying super hero’s we don’t need (spiderman, too). Another WB movie that was marketed to kids and shouldn’t have been.
Since most parents don’t pay attention to what their spawn are reading, watching and doing online, let alone paying attention to movie ratings, Debbie made a very good review of what parents should expect and be able to decide if they want to see it. Or let their kids see it. Unlike most movie studio suck up reviewers who will give it praise cause it’s “edgy”, “graphic” and “alternative” and they want to get more free movie stuff for those good reviews.
I was actually surprised they let it screen early for reviewers. So lets hope it tanks like “the Spirit” did and maybe hollywood will think of doing better next time. Doubt it as IronMan 2, Spidey 4 and all the rest just sound horrible right now. and don’t even think a reboot of Superman is going to save any ones day.
Good job Debbie, keep up the honest reporting.
[E: I LOVE YOU, MAN. DS]

ender on March 4, 2009 at 9:03 pm

“By all means, defend it because adults want to see people raped, tortured and hacked to death – for sheer fun… and if the characters are just cartoon figures, that somehow makes its all OK. I just don’t buy any of it and yes, I do believe there is such a thing as moral absolutes, for the record!”
Re: People aren’t going to see Watchmen to see these particular clips and have “fun” watching it. They’re simply pivotal points found within the graphic novel itself. It’s not for shock value. Alan Moore is a literary genius, and it’s safe to say that moments like these have meaning.
Films like the Saw series, yes, this is the deal. But not in Watchmen, where the entire story is a plethora of symbolism and commentary on the closing years of the 20th century.
As for it being okay because they’re cartoon figures, it certainly is okay. As are such violent moments in books, paintings, music, film, and any other art form. It’s freedom of expression. Rape and torture don’t always have to mean bloodlust. If an individual is mature enough, they’d be able to see what the intentions of these parts of the film were.

Providence on March 4, 2009 at 9:06 pm

Providence, you’ve made my point for me. It certainly is NOT OK. Evil never is. Now graphic violence is “freedom of expression.” I’m soo glad to hear the post-modernist interpretation of the First Amendment and as well as about sexual assault and carving up human beings.
It makes feel warm all over. NOT!

NormanF on March 4, 2009 at 9:13 pm

What adult in their right mind would take a child to see a R movie if they are not even in puberty!
Seriously, thats called bad parenting and they should be slapped.
Also, watchmen is a seriously good movie, but you are just idiotic. Its violent,gorry and completely irodic. Which only makes me want to see it more. Especially now that you are cridisising it. Im 12, you didnt scare me into selling my tickets.

veidtco on March 4, 2009 at 9:19 pm

The reason that making it gory is acceptable due to its being based on a graphic novel is because THEY TRY TO BEAR A LIKELINESS TO THE GOD DAMN BOOK.
This also is not being marketed to children. I have not seen any Watchmen merchandise available to kids: I have seen no toys, no clothes, no Halloween costumes, nothing. You do not know what you’re talking about, you’re just trying to justify that you’re an anti-artistic, anti-choice fascist. Stop lying to these people to cover that up and make it seem like movies like this are the problem with America, and not yuppie Neo-Nazi scum like you.

United States of Narchy on March 4, 2009 at 9:30 pm

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