Screw her

Hopewell on April 3, 2012 at 4:11 pm

Actors/Actresses by their nature are pawns. They are told what to say, where to stand, how to move, etc. They don’t know how to think for themselves and just regurgitate what some azz has told them to say. The poor dears.

Road Warrior on April 3, 2012 at 4:18 pm

That’s so weird that even after her co-star is savagely beaten by her family under the auspices of islam, not to mention all the problems islam is causing in her native England, that this airhead actress would stick her Jew-hating guns and still toe the “new” progressive party line of antisemitism.

DS_ROCKS! on April 3, 2012 at 4:37 pm

Because people like you killed 6 million Jews during the Holocaust.
Shame on you!!

itay on April 3, 2012 at 4:58 pm

When Defense Minister Ehud Barak is redlining Jews in Hebron, yup you don’t hear progressives getting all upset about it. The Mondoweiss crowd is upset they haven’t been kicked out of their home near the Cave Of The Patriarchs – yet!

That’s what Emma Thompson and the Israel BDSers she belongs to supports.

Too many Jews have forgotten Israel is not just a physical refuge and homeland for the Jewish people. They act like they are ashamed of Israel’s ancestors. Instead of paying them love and honor, they scorn and shame them!

I’m proud of the Jews Of Beit Machepela. They’re worthy to stand in the shadow of the patriarchs and matriarchs who are buried in Hebron.

NormanF on April 3, 2012 at 5:04 pm

“Too many Jews have forgotten Israel is not just a physical refuge and homeland for the Jewish people. They act like they are ashamed of Isreal’s ancestors.”

Norman, speaking of which, did you heard over the weekend in Israel that 4 jewish rabbis who’s anti-zionist (it’s also anti-semitism) and self-hating jews claimed that they were physically assaulted and verbally abused by local participants at a so-called, “Global March to Jersualem”. Of course jew-hating Palestinian-muslims blamed the perps who attacked those rabbi’s were “zionist”, in which in reality those 4 dopey rabbi’s didn’t identify their attackers, we don’t know who exactly attacked those rabbi’s from the “Neturei Karta movement (it’s a jew-hating and anti-zionists movement). Here’s the link bro:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/neturei-karta-rabbis-beaten-and-verbally-abused-at-jordanian-land-day-rally/

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on April 3, 2012 at 5:17 pm

Thank DS. I twittered this yesterday and looked forward to your take.

I have NEVER liked her acting and everyone knows now that her best days were when she was coattail-riding off her ex-husband Kenneth Branaugh.

I am disappointed in Mark Rylance too. What a dud!

Liberalism is an odious ideology but I find the Israeli and Jew hatred of it the most confounding, sickening and twisted of the beliefs. All my life it seemed like siding with the obvious bad guy and bad side. Never doubted where my loyalties lie.

I’d be ashamed to be so open about such twisted hatred. Mixing Liberals and Islam is a toxic mix!

Skunky on April 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm

Thompson is scheduled to star in a movie produced by J. Todd Harris (The Kids Are Alright). Perhaps we could gently express our displeasure at:

Jtharris@brandedpixent.com

adam on April 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm

“Habimah did not participate in a boycott of a controversial cultural center that opened in Ariel, a West Bank settlement, in 2010.”

That is another facet of the liberal mind. If one disagrees with a liberal you are banished to the gulag. No opportunity for any opposing views. Yet they insist the “radical right” include opposing views, as in the so called Fairness Doctrine.

Panhandle on April 3, 2012 at 5:33 pm

My cousin, Jonathan Miller, signed the petition as well. Miller, I renounce you, you traitorous bastard. I wouldn’t piss on you to put you out.

Occam's Tool on April 3, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Debbie the last time I was in England I happened upon an outdoor amateur production of “Merchant of Venice.” The portrayal of the Jew was bad enough and I knew about that, but the knowing cackling from the audience did surprise me. It was a rare opportunity for anti-Semitic Brits ( roughly all of them) to openly boo and hiss at a Jew. I was glad it was dark when I walked out lest my fellow Shakepeare lovers discover and lynch me. The secular Jews in England definitely keep their heads down, unlike Jews in the US who can more or less parade around like you and I do.

A1 on April 3, 2012 at 5:43 pm

It is a bid for attention on Thompson’s part. She would not dare to criticize Sharia or anything like that. Jews are a cheap and low risk target for her. Let her sink into the mud of her own making.

Worry01 on April 3, 2012 at 5:52 pm

This makes sense. She’s Oxbridge educated, so she’s right in line with prevailing orthodoxies. Muslims who blow up trains and try to blow up airports in Britain must be tolerated; they can’t help it. To their minds if it weren’t for Israel’s invasion of the West Bank in 1290, the English wouldn’t have had to kick out their Jews. Right?

Louie Louie on April 3, 2012 at 6:17 pm

DS said: “a notorious example of Shakespeare’s Jew-hatred”

To the uneducated reader of Shakespeare’s work that is the usual conclusion. But, in fact, there is clear evidence to the contrary. If it was anti-semitic, why the monologue by Shylock “Hath not a Jew eyes…?” Then there is Jessica, who Gratiano states “My God, she can’t be a Jew, she’s too nice!”. There is the greedy Antonio, who is after Portia for her money, neither are Jews. Finally, in the court room, Portia asks for mercy from Shylock, yet Shylock himself is given no mercy, as his is bankrupt. Do you actually think Shakespeare, the greatest playwright of the English speaking world, would include all these scenes and words and not realize their meaning? Hardly. You completely missed the point of the story, as I’m sure most of the illiterate Brits did back then too. Was there Jew-hatred in Shakesspeares time? Of course, plenty. But Shakespeare was pointing it out, not reinforcing it.

FK: Wrong. In fact, Shakespeare’s audiences were British anti-Semites, and he wrote plays to please them. This was just more of the same. “Uneducated”? That’s usually the word used by liberal elitists to argue a point when they know they are on the wrong side. In fact, he was, indeed, reinforcing the anti-Semitism of the Brits, not arguing against it. There is a reason Shakespeare usually had someone extremely ugly, clownish, and/or monstrous play the part of Shylock . . . and here’s a hint: it wasn’t to endear the audience to the “ugly Jewish money lender.” And, if you were the “educated” connoisseur of Shakespeare that you feign to be, you’d know that Shylock is vengeful and unforgiving, whereas the Christians in the play are merciful. But, hey, it’s not anti-Semitic at all, right? Only if you’re uneducated on “The Merchant of Venice” and feel compelled to come to the usual, unthoughtful conclusion and knee-jerk defense of a Jew-hater. DS

FrenchKiss on April 3, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Thompson has a speaking role in the upcoming animated Disney film ‘Brave’:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/four-new-character-posters-for-brave-revealed-20120403

Remember, Disney’s ESPN has disappeared Israel from its websites, and put “Palestine” in its place.

adam on April 3, 2012 at 7:04 pm

I am waiting the Brit to return all the country they captured in their Imperial past.

madman on April 3, 2012 at 7:53 pm

Emma Thompson is an atheist who celebrates Christmas. Her other passion is this – She is also a Palestinian human rights activist, having been a member of the British-based ENOUGH! coalition that seeks to end the “Israeli occupation of the Gaza Strip and West Bank.”

Did you really expect anything else from her. ‘As a man thinketh in his soul, so is he’.

* She was at Cambridge university not Oxford

Eyes Wide Open on April 3, 2012 at 9:14 pm

Emma who?

Re:

“‘”Habima [sic] has a shameful record of involvement with illegal Israeli settlements in Occupied Palestinian Territory,'” says the letter, published March 29 in England’s Guardian newspaper.'”

I have a better idea for the authors of the petition. Why not protest the illegal Desertian settlements in Occupied Miragian Territory. Now repeat the chat after me:

“FREE MIRAGE FROM DESERT OCCUPATION!”

JeffE on April 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm

Expect more of this as the flood of Muslims into Britain continues. The Muslim perspective will become more pronounced and influential as it has in France.

ex mossad on April 3, 2012 at 9:53 pm

As Christianity is weakened in the West so too will be the ties with Israel.

ex mossad on April 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm

When, to refresh my memory, I looked up Enema Thompson on Google images I found this:
http://www.hollywoodnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Alan-Rickman-Emma-Thomson-harry-potter-400×290.jpg
Wouldn’t you know, it would be the same self hating Jew, Alan Rickman (aka. Severus Snape) that Debbie wrote about in the past. They have a bit of history working together on other projects as well.
Figures…them anti-semites just gotta stick together, otherwise those nasty Jews just might take over England and kick those nice muslims out, right?

theShadow on April 3, 2012 at 11:51 pm

Phlegma Thompson

CornCoLeo on April 4, 2012 at 1:46 am

I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the fact that the actor who played Harry Potter himself is Jewish, namely Daniel Radcliffe. Or did I miss the reference to this above? Radcliffe has given no indication of being a self-hating Jew neither, not hiding from his Jewish background whatsoever, in fact he is on record as saying he is proud of it.

Mike Leigh btw is a notorious self-hating Jew. Occam’s Tool re your self-hating Jewish cousin Jonathan Miller, most all of us have self-hating Jews in our family, sad but true (at least if you are an Ashkenazi Jew this is so often the case). I have at least one self-hating Jewish cousin, ditto an aunt and two self-hating uncles. And what makes it worse is that they are Israeli (albeit not all born in Israel). Well that’s Tel Aviv for you. That’s liberal Ashkenazi Jews for you. I could tell you all stories about the self-hating Jews in Israel that you wouldn’t believe – wait you would! Anyhow don’t want to get off the point, which is the Jew-hatred of the British upper-crust. It is really something to behold.

Larry in Tel Aviv on April 4, 2012 at 2:19 am

Debbie, I’m glad you called out Shakespeare for his Jew hatred in Merchant of Venice (a really overrated play): he was also pretty misogynic, as the Taming of the Shrew illustrates. I had ‘Merchant of Venice’ in school, and hated it.

FrenchKiss, do you recall all the Jewish characters in Merchant of Venice? There was Shylock, there was Tubal and then there was Shylock’s daughter Jessica. The play celebrates Jessica eloping w/ a Christian and converting, and they even make snide jokes about her conversion raising the price of pork. Essentially, Shakespeare looked at her conversion the same way that Muslims would – he celebrated the fact that she was lost to Judaism and conquered for Christendom, and did what he could to rub it in, in the end requiring that Shylock will all his remaining possessions to her after his death. Also Shylock’s monologue about ‘Hath not a Jew eyes’ was more to illustrate how vengeful he was going to be later, rather than raising any sympathy for his arguments. And when was Antonio ever after Portia – it was Bassanio who married her.

It’s no surprise that Muslims refer to Jews as Shylocks – Shakespeare created a stereotype that’s even more malevolent than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. At least w/ the latter, one knew that it was an anti-Semitic propaganda work, but most people look @ Merchant of Venice as a great work of literature, rather than the vile anti-Semitic excrement that it really is.

Infidel on April 4, 2012 at 4:32 am

If a devout Western Christian is asked “Where is the holiest most sacred place on earth?” You will invariably get one of three answers; Israel, Jerusalem, or Bethlehem.

I know little of Shakespeare nor do I dwell on hundreds of years past. I do know the heart of the Atheist, Christian, and Jew I think.

ex mossad on April 4, 2012 at 5:21 am

(a notorious example of Shakespeare’s Jew-hatred.)

Shylock is mild and sympathetic compared to a lot of Shakespeare’s villains. Iago, anyone? Aaron the Moor, in Titus Andronicus, anyone? You want to see how Shakespeare handled people he REALLY hated, look at the job he did on the FRENCH!!!!Shakespeare wrote The Merchant of Venice to cash in on the popular anti-Semitism that followed the Lopez case. He needed no reason to create FRENCH villains. Look at the portrait of Joan of Arc, in Henry VI, Part I. There isn’t a single LINE in The Merchant of Venice that could POSSIBLY be constued as suggesting that Shylock has a venereal disease. That Frenchmen have syphilis was a standard dirty joke for Shakespeare. The Christians in that play are a bunch of sanctimonious parasites.

Aaron the Moor is a total fiend. He makes Shylock look like Charlie Brown. BUT, in the one aspect of the plot where he isn’t being a totally sadistic fiend, his love for and desire to protect his illegitimate infant son, he talks, in one scene, like Malcolm X. Shylock never talks like Jabotinsky.

Also, Shylock is a convert to Judaism. His literary ancestors, the old miser being outsmarted by the young lovers, are Christian (Pantaloon) or Buddhist (the Mandarin in the story represented by the Willow Pattern.) Look at the Willow Pattern. The three figures on the bridge are the Mandarin’s daughter and her lover, fleeing from the Mandarin.

Don’t get me started on those two “young lovers” in The Merchant of Venice. Jessica marries Lorenzo so that she can get away from being a Jew in an anti-Semitic society. Lorenzo marries her for her money. Look at the supposedly tender, supposedly beautiful “love scene” between Lorenzo and Jessica. On her wedding night, Jessica is thinking of MEDEA, the most ghastly marriage in literature. Is she thinking of how he’s going to abandon her and marry another woman and she’s going to burn up the wedding hall with him and her rival in it?

As far as literary anti-Semitism goes, The Merchant of Venice is a very mild example. Read Trilby or A Romance of Vienna or The Jew of Malta and then get back to me.

Regarding Emma Thompson and Company: She obviously doesn’t give a hoot in hell about the now-so-called “Palestinians,” except as cat’s paws to finish off the Jews for her, while she pretends to be devastated and sympathetic, the way I’m sure she pretends to be sympathetic to Anne Frank, may the al-mighty avenge her blood. Do Emma Thompson and her friends realize that if they ever get their wish and Israel is, G-d forbid, destroyed, the Islamofascists will be free to concentrate on Europe.? Emma Thompson could appear in any play she wanted to in Israel. Does she think she’ll be allowed to appear on any stage, even wearing a burka, in Moslem Brotherhood Land? Ms. Thompson, fi you’re out there and you happen to read this, please get back to me. Are you so anxious to see the Jews dead that you just don’t CARE if, after they finish off the Jews, the Moslems will be coming for YOU!!???

Miranda Rose Smith on April 4, 2012 at 6:05 am

Well said Miranda.

ex mossad on April 4, 2012 at 6:12 am

Miranda, if you recall, even Muslims get a favorable treatment compared to Jews. One of Portia’s suitors is the Prince of Morocco, who picked a golden chest since he couldn’t imagine Portia’s portrait being in anything less.

Catholics are treated less favorably, since Shakespeare was patronized by Queen Elizabeth I, and England at that time had just converted to the Protestant church, and was at war w/ Catholic Spain, which wanted to reverse that. Hence, the less favorable description of the Prince of Arragon, the kingdom of Ferdinand, who liberated Spain from Muslim rule.

On Jessica & Lorenzo, I agree w/ you. It’s one thing for Jessica to be influenced by the anti-Semitism all around her and marry Lorenzo to escape that: it’s another thing altogether for her to steal her father’s money and decamp while she’s at it. In a more genuine love story, she’d have been willing to give up her comfortable life and downgrade to that of Lorenzo, but instead, she decided to rob her father in the process, again indirectly insulting her Jewish upbringing. Shylocks comments of ‘My daughter, my ducats’ just reinforce the negetivity. Incidentally, when was Shylock a convert to Judaism? At the end of the play, as a part of the settlement, he is forced to convert to Christianity if he wants to be spared.

I’ve never been into literature – Merchant of Venice was unfortunately in my school curriculum – so I have no idea about how it compares to other literary works.

Infidel on April 4, 2012 at 6:58 am

Shakespeare was just propagandist for the Tudor family attacking and lying about their enemy. Henry V is far from historically accurate. The English hated the Scot thus you get MacBeath. He was a 3rd rate talent who has been promoted by English snobs.

madman on April 4, 2012 at 8:55 am

Shakespeare was just propagandist for the Tudor family attacking and lying about their enemy.

True.

Henry V is far from historically accurate.

True.

The English hated the Scot thus you get MacBeath.

He wrote MacBeth to show how great it was that MacBeth was kicked out and ancestors of James I came to power.

He was a 3rd rate talent who has been promoted by English snobs.

He was a shameless sycophant, a chauvanist-and the greatest, most brilliant writer who ever lived.

madman on April 4, 2012 at 8:55 am

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Miranda Rose Smith on April 4, 2012 at 9:08 am

I must taking issue with calling Shakespeare an anti-Semite no more than I would call him anti-Catholic for his portrayal of Cardinal Wolsey. Shylock is a villian, but the other characters in the play all leave something to be desired. One of them is gigolo. A good actor can even generate some sympathy for Shylock who has endured abuse, but goes to far in seeking redress. Unlike Marlowe, Shakespeare spared his character from a grim fate. of course, it’s hard to look at the play today in the same way one might have viewed it prior to 1933.

Pete on April 4, 2012 at 11:07 am

@Pete…you’re spot on in your paragraph. I just read the Merchant of Venice, and you are correct Sir. Hard to really claim Shakespeare was a ogre-like anti-Semite…he wrote Othello too and you don’t hear about the anti-defamtion league of the Moors calling for his head. Emma Thompson is another lib actor trying to be righteous, like a Sean Penn or Jolie, by taking a cause unto themselves for some Publicity…bitches!

Steve Epps on April 4, 2012 at 11:26 am

Just once before I leave this world I’d like to see one of these phony self righteous human rights activists express one friggin word of outrage when Jews are savagely slaughtered. Liars, idiots and hypocrites all!!

Martin on April 4, 2012 at 1:59 pm

Just once I’d like to see one of these phony, self righteous human rights activists utter one friggin’ word of outrage when Jews are savegely massacred. Liars, idiots and hypocrites all!!

Martin on April 4, 2012 at 2:09 pm

DS said: There is a reason Shakespeare usually had someone extremely ugly, clownish, and/or monstrous play the part of Shylock . . . and here’s a hint: it wasn’t to endear the audience to the “ugly Jewish money lender.”

Wrong. Shakespeare wrote the words. The Global Theater Company produced the plays. Care to try again?

FK: A distinction without a difference, and Shakespeare often cast his plays. The reason you didn’t respond to the other points? Because you can’t refute them and it’s an anti-Semitic play. Period. Wish I could say, “nice try,” in your apologism for anti-Semitic Shakespare. But it’s quite lame, actually. DS

FrenchKiss on April 4, 2012 at 3:36 pm

@miranda rose smith

Good idea, but check the post right before mine by theShadow. I had thought Phlegma Thompson and was just getting ready to post it last night when I saw Shadow’s. You’re right all the same, Enema is much funnier. LOL

CornCoLeo on April 4, 2012 at 4:41 pm

DS said: A distinction without a difference, and Shakespeare often cast his plays. The reason you didn’t respond to the other points? Because you can’t refute them and it’s an anti-Semitic play.

Actually, I meant to write The Globe Theater. And the reason I didn’t respond to your other points is because my first response already addressed them. But I guess you’re right. Shakespeare’s play is anti-semitic because Schlussel said so. Nevermind what Abraham Morevski says, or Shakespeare scholars say (some of whom are Jewish). Yep, Schlussel, who cites no evidence except her own emotion, is right. What was I thinking? So you’re a lawyer, speak 25 languages and an expert on Shakespeare. It must be lonely on your pedestal.

FrenchKiss on April 4, 2012 at 8:30 pm

Debbie is a good woman. Later, off to Cheeecagoh.

ex mossad on April 4, 2012 at 10:12 pm

I hate standing on line, however I have to say “touche” Debbie. ditto for knows her Shakespeare Miranda Rose Smith, though I feel Willy’s anti-semitism was present to pander to the groundlings he needed to titilate.
These shit for brains celebs know nothing of the history of this Israel,or Nasser of Egypt. You are so correct in diagnosing Emma Thompson’s real problem which has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with her personal anti-semitism.
If any of the three dozen “actors” ever read this and these rats would like to try a script based in reality they should check the history of the six day war for a different perspective. To make it easy “Jerusalem Post Weds. June 7, 1967 to see how close three million Jews came to a sequel of Hitler’s final solution, forever known as the Holocaust to rational Jews.
The trouble with many of these spoiled “Hollywood” types is that they need something, anything to take their minds off their shallow alcohol soaked and coked lives.

Ron Wolf aka "Columbo" on April 5, 2012 at 12:39 am

I suspect that years from now we will still be arguing about Shakespeare and Shylock – a tribute to the power of the Bard of Avon in creating such a complex character. Iago, Othello, Richard III, Sir John Falstaff, too. In the meantime, Emma Thompson and her strutting and fretting will be forgotten by all but a few movie buffs.

Pete on April 5, 2012 at 11:32 am

Pete & Miranda, who do you think is a bigger villain in Merchant of Venice – the Prince of Morocco, or Shylock? Only reason to consider him a buffoon would be his going for the most glittering option, but that by no means makes him a negative character.

One can end up w/ a neutral opinion of the Princes of Morocco and Arragon. Maybe even Tubal. It’s impossible to walk away w/ a neutral or positive view of Shylock, however one might sympathize w/ him.

Infidel on April 7, 2012 at 3:34 am

Air headed? Emma Thompson is one of the most intelligent people I have ever had the pleasure of spending time with. I would vote for this woman if she ever became a politician. Cambridge graduate and double Oscar winner, dear Debbie. I wouldn’t be surprised if she had one of the highest IQs among all living actors and actresses today and she’s certainly not a Jew hater. Moreover, she is also one of the nicest, most generous people I have ever met. I spent a week with her filming in Africa last year and I can tell you this from personal experience. Your accusations are vile and misguided, simply because she believes (like MILLIONS of people) that the illegal settlements being built in the Palestinian territories are unfair. I am very worried if this is how “Jew-hating” is defined nowadays.

I recommend a visit to some of the settlements in question, if you haven’t been.

Serdar Ferit on April 30, 2012 at 4:18 pm

I used to like Emma Thompson but I will never watch anything she acts in.

Repeat on May 16, 2012 at 8:17 pm

Has the world gone entirely mad?

I have long been a fan of Emma Thompson not least of which for her fine work with Anthony Hopkins in “The Remains of the Day” and her tour de force, “Sense and Sensibility”, for which she wrote the screenplay and co-starred in opposite Hugh Grant, Kate Winslet and Alan Rickman.

It is therefore profoundly disappointing and dispiriting for me to discover that a woman I had so greatly admired for the intelligence and sensitivity of her acting and writing turns out to be just another strident, anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli, bigot.

God have mercy on Western civilization when our best and brightest diminish the source of our Western civilization, namely the Judeo/Christian traditions and its inheritors and rather side with the dark minions of Islamo fascism and 7th century medievalism.

Chaz Martel on May 26, 2012 at 2:38 pm

Emma Thompson I just watched a movie of urs called “Last Chance Harvey” I was looking at her eyes and all over she is an angel on eart. When I searched about her I found this AMAZING boycott of her. I love you Emma! I have much respect for u darling. Do it babe, bring it up straight Gurl, and let she sheep bleat :-))

I Love Emma Thompson on May 27, 2012 at 11:06 pm

Emma Thompson I just watched a movie of urs called “Last Chance Harvey” I was looking at her eyes and all over she is an angel on eart. When I searched about her I found this AMAZING boycot. I love you Emma! I have much respect for u darling. Do it babe, bring it up straight Gurl, and let the sheep bleat :-))

I Love Emma Thompson on May 27, 2012 at 11:07 pm

pro-zionist cunts must not blog anyway , Emma Thompson all the way !

Mjk on June 29, 2012 at 3:54 pm

I think the author of this article shouldn’t be able to write articles like this anymore. You say she is antisemit etc but at the same time you say “pont out the religion we all should worry about.”. This quote just tells me that this “columnist” or whatever you want to call her is a stupid hoe who can’t handle with criticism.

BerlinUser on March 28, 2013 at 9:18 am

Nothing but a vicious slander typical of Debbie Schlussel.

HKW on May 22, 2013 at 9:01 pm

So if people are not with you, they are against you ! Nobody can criticize Israel otherwise they are antisemitic. I thought Jewish people were a wise people, but no wise people is unable to question her/himself about his believes.

It’s very symptomatic the fact that you are speaking disparagingly about an actress who wants to express her views (no matter how much good or bad they are in regards of your interests), and claiming that she is showing hate toward your people…while at the same time doing exactly the same, showing hate against muslim people and “the religion we should worry about” ! If you want people to respect your people, start yourself by respecting others ! That’s a disgrace !
You’re not making your Jewish people look any good (and you are the one people are worrying about the most and hating the most – so beware…and behave !).

JewishGirl on July 22, 2013 at 11:23 am