Well stated, Debbie. These type of attention-seekers and this special form of “celebrity” always bothered me, but I couldn’t quite describe exactly why. You summed up exactly why it’s so annoying.

DS_ROCKS! on March 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm

This is gonna be one of those posts that get the concern troll lurkers all agro. LOL. I’ll enjoy that.

You always think outside of the box DS. I felt a weird feeling I could not define when I saw that “People” magazine with Smart on it (I think she is keeping her maiden name so you are on the proper track unlike the agro, offended trolls who react with anger without thinking about your points of view) and saw Miss Duggard was a female at that stupid “Women of The World” Conference. I, too, feel badly for them and wish they would have a nice, private life.

Perfect!

Let me add my own person who gets me outraged (and one who is NOT an innocent victim in my point of view). The skank Amanda Knox who received FOUR MILLION for a book advance.

Pretty nice lucre when the strange beast is NOT gonna write about the evening of the murder of Meredith Kercher OR the morning after. That would be way too self-incriminating to her phony cause.

Because if those in USA (and the USA people who “think” they followed this case mostly do not know of the PR her family spun to try to depict her as a victim and NOT an accessory to a brutal murder) think of her as a victim but she is NOT.

I will not be buying her disgusting tome. Ever.

Skunky on March 13, 2012 at 5:09 pm

Very well-said, Debbie. You articulated exactly how I’ve been feeling about this bizarre phenomenon of cashing in one’s misfortune. I’m glad those ladies are safe, but there is just nothing otherwise newsworthy here. Just an attempt to capture another 15 minutes of fame on their part, and a chance for the media to exploit the whole sex angle as we head towards sweeps month.

D41guy on March 13, 2012 at 5:20 pm

I wonder how the LDS Church feels about all this?

Hollywood on March 13, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Every time I think popular culture and women’s issues can’t get worse, I read something like this.

Little Al on March 13, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Very well done, Debbie. I can see the future episodes of E Smart as she begins to procreate like her parents did. A large family is within her reach, she is still young. I don’t think any decent person would wish their tragedies on anyone but I think we would all be better off not knowing what they are up to, how they have been doing, or when they are going to be going around looking for cash so they don’t have to work a legitimate job. Exploited for their flesh as children they are now exploiting themselves for cold, hard cash and it nauseates me. Speaking of Mr. Ramsey, didn’t he spend some time inside Natalie Holloway’s mother after the two met at a conference for missing and murdered kids? So glad they were past their prime and didn’t conceive a pity-party kid. Glad you were found, so many aren’t, now go and thank your lucky stars every day for the rest of your lives and fade from memory.

But while we are on the subject, has anyone heard how Baby Jessica is doing? I can’t walk past a well and not wonder how she must be doing these days.

TS

TS likes DS on March 13, 2012 at 5:38 pm

@Skunkie – “concern trolls” lol!

DS_ROCKS! on March 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm

Agreed! Since the world left rational thought with the rise of liberalism, it fits the liberal mentality: it’s all about feelings. Just a simple correction in paragraph 3:”raped against their will.” First, it is “wills” – two people, two wills. Second, rape is defined as being against someone’s will. You’re a lawyer, DS, and it is about using words accurately. It’s not often I get to correct a lawyer’s use of language. Thanks for the opportunity. :>)

Damon on March 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm

Its human nature. I’m not blaming them for becoming famous – and rich. Who doesn’t?

But I do agree with Debbie there’s a point beyond which it gets to be more than ridiculous! Enough already.

NormanF on March 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm

DS is right, but I must add that the primary driver for these things is the media, which in turn is driven by the advertisers, who love this stuff because their audience laps it up. None of that would happen if all that was not true.

Remember: the media does not sell content to audiences, it sells audiences to advertisers.

oao on March 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm

I really do lose any sympathy for “victims” when they take advantage of their victimhood for private gain. As noted by Debbie, both of these women have already been amply compensated for their duress, and will not need to work a day for the rest of their lives. However, this is still not enough. Both women did suffer from horrible situations, especially Dugard. However, parading their victimhood around for profit benefits no one, and in fact probably encourages copycat kidnappers.

Worry01 on March 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm

If it was me that was kidnapped and the public was stupid enough to pay me big bucks to tell and re-tell my story you better believe I would be laughing all the way to the bank.

I’m sure if Smart or Dugard read this article they would be thinking “Complain all you want. As long as I’m needing a wheelbarrow to haul my money to the bank I’m gonna keep on doing what I’m doing.”

The real reason the public pays for their stories is because they are pretty white girls. If an ugly boy got kidnapped and raped, he couldn’t sell his story for a nickel.
Just like the murder of a pretty white girl is national and even international news, but a homely black girl getting killed in the same exact way barely makes the the local evening news.
Examples of both of the above are plentiful.

smg45acp on March 13, 2012 at 8:20 pm

I can’t really blame these ladies. If I was getting millions thrown at me I’d probably consider it.

Welcome to Oprah Nation.

I’ll never understand why people read and watch Oprah/People/ETV, etc.

Jeff_W on March 13, 2012 at 9:11 pm

I am not surprise they do it. And on my opinion it’s not about seeking attention.First of all it’s all about money. Every USA citizen want their 5 minutes of fame, and millions $$ wich will come with this fame. They don’t care about ethics, they don’t care about anything, but money.
There is a second reason, why they do it. USA psychologist teach people, who have a bad expirience like rape, kiddnaping or sexual abusse to be more open, and to share their expirience with people. They say the more you share, the less pressure you will feel. Thats how all AAA works, that’s how they treat a victims of sexual abbuse or kiddnapping. That’s why so many USA celebrities goes to media to share their problems. They taught to do it, so why it’s surprised you? It’s usuall practice in USA psychology, everyone and their mother do it. And for media it’s a way to sell magazine’s or show it on TV for better ratings. This is so usual, that I am surprise, you even notice. This is how hungry for gossips society works. There is nothing new, just usual.

Rina on March 14, 2012 at 12:59 am

Yes and no. I generally cringe at the “Look at me I’m a victim” routine. But I have to cut these two a lot of slack after the horrors they have been through. Their stories could easily have ended with their remains having been found many years later, or never. Remember, during the time they were missing, many gave up believing they would ever be rescued. Celebrate those who kept looking, praying and hoping. When they were found it seemed like a miracle. Let it be. Look at their smiles.They live!

civilwarvet on March 14, 2012 at 1:34 am

Capitalizing on horrendous experiences is nothing new. Ever hear of History of the Spirit Lake Massacre and Captivity of Miss Abbie Gardner by Abbie Gardner-Sharp? ? It was published in 1885.

Miranda Rose Smith on March 14, 2012 at 3:08 am

Ugh, don’t remind me! How the TV news in those days was all over the likes of Elizabeth Smart, Natalie Holloway, Jon Benet Ramsey, Laci Petersen, and allah knows who else, totally overshadowing events like jihadi attacks in Israel, Iraq and other places.

I fully agree w/ Debbie. I too felt sorry for the Smart family and was happy the day she was recovered and re-united w/ them. But now, it seems that kidnapping seems to have been the best thing to have happened to her: had that not happened, what would they be doing today? One would have hoped that she’d have gone on to either get into a proper career of her own, or simply marry into one, as she now has. But Debbie is right – for her to be an expert on kidnapping – is just inane.

Well, since this is what they’re doing now, I guess the next step will be that whenever Elizabeth Smart or Jaycee Dugard next become pregnant, they can pose nude & pregnant just like Jessica Simpson and the others who’re posing that way on the Elle magazine covers.

Infidel on March 14, 2012 at 5:07 am

DS, I just saw this update on Dugard. I couldn’t help seeing it as it was on the front page but had to laugh. She wants her daughters to have a “normal” life” Maybe she should of thought of that sooner, ya think???

http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=710865

Hollywood on March 14, 2012 at 9:05 am

Fame and money at any cost.

These people should be pitied.

PitandPen on March 14, 2012 at 9:33 am

Debbie I would love to meet you to shake your hand. You hit the nail on the head. Yesterday I came home from night school and Entertainment Tonight had Ms Dugard along with the ever vacuous Oprah Windbag. I was saying to myself enough already!While I’m greatful that Dugard and Smart are ok it is time for them to move on. Their experiences have made them very wealthy and they don’t need the money. Jaycee says that she wants her daughters to have a “normal life.” If thats the case then she really needs to stop with the interviews and such. Also I didn’t care to know everything about the Smart wedding. It reminded me of other celebrity weddings. Ho Hum! She also has a job at ABC as a kidnapping commentator? That’s like saying since I ran track in highschool I deserve a six figure contract from ESPN to commentate on the sport. That makes no sense. What’s next pregancy covers of them both on those rags
Elle and Vanity Fair. If this keeps up you know that can’t be to far behind.

Ken b on March 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm

Yes, these two women where ripped out of there non-public lives. I am positive neither ever wanted fame in this way. They were young, happy, healthy girls, just living their lives.

Yet, they were subjected to endless, useless, unmentionable torment in their time away from their families! They didn’t ask for that. I am sure neither hoped for it.

Now that they have been found alive, if not totally unscathed, it is their RIGHT to speak about the tragedies that befell them.

These two women are a beckon of hope and faith for more people then is imaginable. To hear about their past, present and future is a privilege to all of us!

For someone to come out of this kind of alienation and torture and still be able to speak about that tragedy and grow from that is amazing! They are truly wonderful, strong human beings! I am grateful everyday for their optimism, their hope and their faith in human kind, despite what they have went through.

Shame on this woman for writing this wretched story! She is spiteful, mean, jealous, and lacks the forethought to realize, yes, some of us wake up occasionally and wonder how these strong women are doing!

Roxy Reed on March 15, 2012 at 9:18 pm

Amen Roxy! VERY well said.

Anyone who bashes either of these women needs padded walls and a straight jacket LOL

redhead on March 15, 2012 at 10:10 pm

Hey its a troll checking in……

What the writer left out here, is that Jaycee Dugard set up her own foundation to help victims of other traumatic events. it not only includes kidnapping and abuse victims, but family of soliders killed in war.

You can presume part of her ’20 mill settlement’ from california, plus proceeds from her book, went to set up and run her foundation.

So she is helping vicitms…debbie downer. if you bothered to read the whole story. but you dont care so why bother right?

Scot on March 16, 2012 at 2:26 am

SerIous? This is an unreal posting. Who cares if they are capitalizing on their horrific experiences. Isn’t this the essence of Capatilism? Why should they not make money off of their experiences. Does this mean all the holocaust survivors should not make money by garnering attention and publishing books because of their plight? Does this mean the hostages from Iran during the Carter administration should not be able to make money over their plight? If you don’t want to watch them, turn the channel. There are a lot of people who are interested, and they have every right to make as much money as they can over their circumstances? Take the Chilean miners. They colluded into not saying anything so they could share equally in the profits they might make. Unfortunately, they were not as lucky. But if anyone has a right to make money it is they? The reason you are the only one cares is because it’s not a big deal. I say MORE POWER TO THEN

Mark D on March 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm

Ms. Shlussel – you are a pathetic excuse for a human being and I would gather that nobody really cares about your plea for fame in your column either but you still spew your useles opinions. I would also summize that you have never been a victim of any traumatic experience that makes your opinion relevent. Obviously there are an abundance of people who care how these women have fared after their traumatic experiences and they offer a survivors story that is RELEVANT to other people who have been victimized. I would much rather hear from them than some awful columnist looking for her own claim to fame.

LM on March 16, 2012 at 7:24 pm

Whoa, that is quite an interesting use of insults coming from a broad who looks she just stepped off the set of a porn shoot. What I really got from the time I wasted reading this crap was a sense that the writer is envious…this is nothing more than a one-sided cat fight.

james on March 16, 2012 at 7:26 pm

I’m listening to the interview with Debbie, and I listened to a sound bite of part of Diane Sawyer’s interview with Jaycee Dugard.
Two things stand out: Elizabeth Smart is from an affluent, white Mormon family. JC is from another white family, one that is presumably a functional family in which these young women had ALL the opportunities and support TO recover from their respective ordeals.
There are missing children of color, and their families wouldn’t have the financial or societal wherewithal to recover if they ever do. Are these girls saying ANYTHING about that? Although their so called foundations are supposed to be for the benefit of those who have undergone similar ordeals?
Elizabeth Smart is only asked about HER experience, which has now been years ago. Same for Dugard.
We really must move on. There isn’t anything new about them or their story, and they certainly aren’t talking about anyone ELSE who experienced the same thing.
But those in the media aren’t publicizing anything about the phenom of abduction or the missing. They spend SO much inordinate amount of time on just THESE two who are ADULTS now who evidently are FULLY recovered and are RICH from their experience.
Enough about THEM.
There are others in which to focus on.

RD on March 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm

As a conservative woman, I must say I am appalled by this article. It is mean spirited and completely uncalled for. When you ridicule women who have went through such a horrible ordeal it makes you look incredibly weak and spiteful. In my opinin it appears to be Ms Schlussel who wants to be a Kardashian, not these poor young women. I must say you will never win any new people to the conservative movement with this type of hateful attitude!

Angel on March 16, 2012 at 8:56 pm

To the three stupid and idiotic dopes who commented here this evening, I’m talking about LM, James and Angel, did the three of you clowns read the entire article word-for-word? Of course the three of you didn’t bother to read the article, if three of you read the whole article instead of reading a few lines, you would’ve known that Debbie felt bad for these two young ladies, you didn’t read “I’m glad she’s safe”, and/or “I feel for both these young women who were kidnapped and raped”?, no the three of you attack the messenger for no damn reason.

Debbie did NOT ridicule, mock or made of the these two girls, she’s basically saying that the two of them need to move on with their lives instead of parading around their reputation for fame, that’s all. And NO this article is NOT spiteful, hateful.

And BTW, LM, if godforbid Debbie went through a traumatic exprience she wouldn’t be doing media interviews day-in-day-out to increase her fame and beg for attention, she’ll move on with her life like just about everyone who’s exprience a traumatic incident. So if any of you three clowns, (Angel, LM and James) want to comment here again, a) read the whole column word for word, b) make some damn sense and know what the hell you’re actually talking about and c) DO NOT attack the messenger like a coward, that’s like “throwing stones at glass-houses”!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on March 16, 2012 at 9:20 pm

I totally agree with you. I first heard you on the John Phillips Show on KABC and then of course read your article. It is always a tragedy when one becomes a victim of a crime. However, I can not see much healing when the victim reaches stardom as a result of the tragic incident, financially capitalizes on it by writing books and appearing on talk shows. These actions will subsequently take away from the seriousness of the incident and of course delay the victim from moving forward with their lives.

Robert R. Heredia on March 16, 2012 at 11:46 pm

one jaycee dugard is worth a thousand debbie shysters

Scot on March 17, 2012 at 12:02 am

Well thanks for the laughs. I almost forgot how many fools are in this world and have access to the internet and want fame. I doubt if the fame you will get for your trash will make you any money but it will certainly show people what you and your followers are. Trash pure and simple. No compassion and maybe if you are lucky all the things that happened to these women could happen to you and I don’t usually wish bad things on people but you and your camp deserve any and all things bad that happen to you. Maybe if you are lucky they will just use you and bury you nasty asses and we won’t hear about you at all. But more than likely the news will run with your story and then will show people this disgusting site and the pity party will be over for you and no one will offer you a cent .
By even starting this blog you are begging people to notice you so that makes you a famewhore period. See these women didn’t ask for this but YOU are begging for people to notice YOU. You started this trash site for you have it and now you are a Kardashian without the money. SO take away the fame and you are what you and you followers are. Do us a favor if one of your unfortunate kids get kidnapped keepn it to yourself we wouldn’t want the papers or the news to bother to help you find them after all you wouldn’t want a famewhore for a kid would you. I bet you are a gtood Christan too all of you. lol

Judyk on March 17, 2012 at 12:24 pm

Excuse me Judyk, if this website is “trash” & “disgusting” in you’re opinion then for starters why the hell did you come here? If this blog is trash you wouldn’t have posted you’re pathetic and stupid comment. Also, you did NOT read the whole article, so you need to improve on you’re reading comprehension skills, you only read the headline and made you’re conclusion. Friggin pathetic and sad of you Judyk.

For starters, Debbie did NOT attack and/or mock and ridicule these girls, as I said to a few dumbass intellectually lazy trolls last night, Debbie is ONLY saying that they need to move on with their regular personal lives and not parade around for their “fifteen-minutes” of fame. Also, DS felt terrible what had happended to them when they were sexually assaulted, she NEVER said that they deserved to be raped, only a low-life moron would say such stuff. And I was disgusted and pissed off what you said between-the-lines in you’re comment, and here it is:

“I don’t usually wish bad things on people but you and your camp deserve and any all things bad that happen to you.”

So, you want terrible things happen to not only to Ms. Schlussel, but you want terrible and evil stuff happen to myself personally and everybody who comments here and fans/supporters of DS? Thanks for showing you’re true colors of how really pathetic and disgusting you really are Judyk, your the one who’s disgusting and pathetic. And I hope you and you’re dumbass ilk-camp of unthinking trolls will NOT come over and embarrass yourselves again, because trolls like you Judyk give other trolls a bad image!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on March 17, 2012 at 2:59 pm

Btw dont you guys see the irony of A high profile Lawyer with a talk show calling other people fame seeking media whores?

Scot on March 17, 2012 at 3:43 pm

“I want to be remembered for what i do, not what happened to me”-Jaycee Dugard, march 9 2012

What she wants to do is help others like her. She has a strength and a amount of courage that none of the people who sit in judgement on here dont even understand.

Or maybe you think you could do better then she has had you been in her position?

Dont we as conservitives look for an example like her? someone who has overcome awful odds to do something with her life? Or did you all just wish she’d gone crazy and shot some people to give weight to the whole theory that victims become monsters?

She never graduated the 5th grade but she’s done more with her life (even during her captivity) then most of us ever will.

I think you guys dismiss her off hand. I dont understand it. If you could give me a reason why she should just slink away and dissapear…..isnt she someone to look up to? Doesnt she give others hope? Who’s to say that her book and interview last summer arent the reason more and more sandusky victims are coming forward. Because the dirty little secret of child molestation and rape is not the victims shame….its the offenders.

Jaycee dugard has done more in the last 2 and a half years to help people in this country then the previous presidents of the last 25 years.

Scot on March 17, 2012 at 3:56 pm

I also believe a nation is defined by the strength of the people that inhabit it. but thats just me.

Scot on March 17, 2012 at 4:17 pm

I’m sure that both Jaycee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart would gladly give back all the money they have made in place of the years of innocence that was stolen from them. Jaycee spent most of her formative years in the backyard of a psycho path where she was repeatedly raped and gave birth to two children. I commend her for having the courage to come forward and share her story. I feel the same way about Elizabeth Smart. Many rape victims live in a bubble of silence, ashamed and afraid. They are both role models for anyone who has lived through a traumatic experience and refused to allow it hold them down. You have no idea what these girls went through, or how much that still haunts them. If sharing their stories helps them heal, who are you to judge that? No one if forcing you to buy the People magazine or watch the news specials. If two women, who were both kidnapped and raped, sharing their stories of survival bothers you so much that you have to devote an entire article denouncing them and anyone interested in their stories, then I say it is you who has no life. These women are not “fame seekers”, they are survivors.

Stevie on March 19, 2012 at 7:01 pm

i think part of this article stems from jealousy.

i doubt debbie could captivate 15 million people on tv….and get them lining up to buy her book the next day. so much so that the book is on back order for months.

that’s what i ‘comprhend’ when she says that she’s kidnap-less and ‘book-less’.

she doesnt think jaycee or elizabeth are as important as her and her joe mccarthy style tactics.

Scot on March 19, 2012 at 9:50 pm

Btw does putting your captors behind bars for the rest of there lives count as ‘crusading against they’re perpatrators?”

S: Um, they both already did that . . . LONG AGO. Time for them to move on and quietly recede into private life instead of seeking fame and celebrity. DS

Scot on March 20, 2012 at 4:30 pm

I just think you made many inaccurate statements, particuarly about Ms. Dugard, that you wont own up to.

.I know your a lawyer and lying and twisting the truth is your specialty, but i would suggest you do it to people who might actualy deserve it.

Scot on March 21, 2012 at 1:03 am

Plus i see you used them as an excuse for part of a talk show about your spectacular article about them.

So who’s the media whore fame seeker here? try looking in the mirror for once.

Scott on March 23, 2012 at 1:54 am

DEBBI I think it is you who wants the attention. I find your choice of what to write about an attention grabber.
Both Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee Dugard are and inspiration. They give many hope, and they give some a reason to stop whining and get on with life.
You on the other hand are milking the cow; your insensitivity is another topic. You may be pretty but you leave anyone cold.
YAP i shoot from the hip. you deserve it.

songline on March 27, 2012 at 6:12 pm

The big thing that got me interested in the Dugard case was the bizarre comments I noticed on almost every website where comments were allowed on stories about Jaycee’s 20 million.

One of the most weird comments came from somebody who had figured out how many tax payers were in California and what your share as a CA tax payer will be and muttered something about how your share would only be about 75 cents so why should you mind handing it over?, the classy people of CA need to understand that “this one is justified” and told somebody they were stupid for not understanding this.

I don’t know were people defending Jaycee get such an outstanding sense of entitlement. It’s like if somebody were to steal my bus fare on the way to work, do I have the right to go up to everybody at the bus stop and say, “hey, there are 5 of you waiting for the bus and my bus fare has just been stolen, I need 2 dollars to ride the bus so I am dividing 5 people into 2 dollars and your share of replacing my bus fare is only 40 cents. I know all of you have at least 40 cents in your pockets you don’t need. If somebody took your bus fare you would want somebody to help you so help me it is right thing to do.”

eagle on April 29, 2012 at 2:50 am

While Jaycee Dugard is definately pimping out her kidnapped / sex slave story to anyone who will pay, it is certainly a throughly censored and sanitized version. What halfway intelligent person would believe that she didn’t have sex with Garrido for the last 12 years that she was with him? Come on! Hmmmm….I have a ugly 50 year old wife and a attractive, totally submissive 20 year old sex slave that will do anything / everything I tell her to do….which one do I want to have sex with? I find this particular lie to be very insulting to a persons intelligience

SpaceCowby43 on April 29, 2012 at 12:30 pm

All the Dugards public pleas for privacy and seclusion to “heal” are just advertising to keep the up the going price of their interviews and public appearances. If they really wanted “privacy and seclusion” all they would have to do is stop selling interviews and public appearances. That isn’t rocket science.

SpaceCowby43 on April 29, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Has anyone else considered the possibility that the reason Jaycee and the authorities so zealously prevent any pictures of Jaycee’s daughters being taken is that, one or both, wasn’t really fathered by Phillip Garrido? Hispanic features, maybe?

SpaceCowby43 on April 29, 2012 at 2:29 pm

Spacecowboy, you spread this absolute crap theories on every site you visit…….are you phil garrido’s boyfriend and thats why you feel the need to be an idiot?

Scott on May 14, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Jaycee Dugard has EVERY right to get all the money she possibly can. She was held hostage for 18 years she was raped for days on end and had 2 daughters at 14 an 17 by a stranger who took her from everything! She would not get these interviews or sell millions of dollars in books if people did not want to know what happened or is happening. If you had your childhood taken from you at 11 years old and somehow made it out of her situation with 2 kids that were concieved by being raped are you honestly saying you would not get every penny you could out of it? If you say you would not you are lieing to yourself. Did anyone stop to think that maybe Jaycee Dugard wants to tell her story to people that want to know because she had no one but these sick people that tortured her for 18 years to talk to? Maybe you should read her book and you might feel differently about being heartless pigs.

kristy on July 11, 2012 at 1:50 am

If course it’s all tawdry. But hey do have one indisputable bragging right; they were, after all, kidnapped and raped.

I can cast no aspersions at anyone. I can only ask myself this; if I went through an ordeal, and, subsequent to being delivered from said ordeal, had the further choice of either trying to cope and recover in obscurity, with all the indigence that might entail, or trying to cope and recover in imperial splendor, I certainly know what choice I would be strongly tempted to make.

As Our Lord says,

“How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
(Luke 6:42)

I know I have at last 2 of the 7 Deadly Planks in my own eye; greed and sloth.

Randy on October 31, 2012 at 6:33 am

Your an idiot.

d on January 18, 2013 at 4:51 pm