November 13, 2008, - 1:56 am

EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama’s Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions

By Debbie Schlussel
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Did President-elect Barack Hussein Obama commit a federal crime in September of this year? Or did he never actually register and, instead, did friends of his in the Chicago federal records center, which maintains the official copy of his alleged Selective Service registration commit the crime for him?
It’s either one or the other, as indicated by the release of Barack Obama’s official Selective Service registration for the draft. A friend of mine, who is a retired federal agent, spent almost a year trying to obtain this document through a Freedom of Information Act request, and, after much stonewalling, finally received it and released it to me.
But the release of Obama’s draft registration and an accompanying document, posted below, raises more questions than it answers. And it shows many signs of fraud, not to mention putting the lie to Obama’s claim that he registered for the draft in June 1979, before it was required by law.

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The official campaign for President may be over. But Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our next Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it’s proof positive that our next Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.
But the Selective Service System registration (“SSS Form 1”) and accompanying computer print-out (“SSS Print-out), below, released by the Selective Service show the following oddities and irregularities, all of which indicate the document was created in 2008 and backdated:
* Document Location Number Indicates Obama Selective Service Form was Created in 2008
First, there is the Document Location Number (DLN) on the form. In the upper right hand corner of the Selective Service form SSS Form 1, there is the standard Bates-stamped DLN, in this case “0897080632,” which I’ve labeled as “A” on both the SSS Form and the computer printout document. On the form, it reflects a 2008 creation, but on the printout, an extra eight was added in front of the number to make it look like it is from 1980, when it was actually created in 2008.
As the retired federal agent notes:

Having worked for the Federal Government for several decades, I know that the standardization of DLNs have the first two digits of the DLN representing the year of issue. That would mean that this DLN was issued in 2008. The DLN on the computer screen printout is the exact same number, except an 8 has been added to make it look like it is from 1980 and give it a 1980 DLN number. And 1980 is the year Senator/President Elect Obama is said to have timely registered. So, why does the machine-stamped DLN reflect this year (2008) and the DLN in the database (which was manually input) reflect a “corrected” DLN year of 1980? Were all the DLNs issued in 1980 erroneously marked with a 2008 DLN year or does the Selective Service use a different DLN system then the rest of the Federal Government? Or was the SSS Form 1 actually processed in 2008 and not 1980?

It’s quite a “coincidence” . . . that is, if you believe in coincidences, especially in this case.
Far more likely is that someone made up a fake Selective Service registration to cover Obama’s lack of having done so, and that the person stamping the form forgot (or was unable to) change the year to “80” instead of the current “08”. They either forgot to fake the DLN number or couldn’t do so.
And guess where the Selective Service registrations are marked and recorded? Lucky for Obama, it’s his native Chicago. From an article entitled, “Post Office Registration Process”, on the Selective Service website:

When a young man reaches 18 he can go to any of the 35,000 post offices nationwide to register with Selective Service. There he completes a simple registration card and mails it to the Selective Service System. This begins a multi-step process which results in the man’s registration.
Each week approximately 6,000 completed registration cards are sent to the Selective Service System’s Data Management System (DMC) near Chicago, Ill. At the DMC these cards are grouped into manageable quantities. Each card is then microfilmed and stamped with a sequential document locator number. The processed microfilm is reviewed to account for all documents and to ensure that the film quality is within strict standards. After microfilming, the cards are keyed and then verified by a different data transcriber.

The Document Locator Number (DLN) is an automatic function (Selective Service record-keeping, specifically the DLN is described on pages 7-8 of this Federal Register document), with the first two digits comprising the year, and it was not changed to “08” in error. So if the form was filed and processed in 1980, how did it get a 2008 DLN?!
* Obama’s Selective Service Registration Form is Apparently 1990 Form Altered to Appear Like 1980 Form
On the SSS Form 1, in the lower left hand corner is the form number (SSS Form 1) and the month and year version of the form, labeled as “B“. On this particular Form 1, it clearly shows the month as “FEB” (February), and the year is either “80” or “90”. The retired federal agent investigated further:

Magnification of the form both physically (with a 10x glass) or with different image software does not reflect a clear cut result of either a “80” or a “90”.

But, checking the history of SSS Form 1 (see http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=198002-3240-001#), it’s apparent that in February 1980, the Selective Service agency withdrew a “Request for a new OMB control number” for SSS Form 1 (see also, here)–meaning the agency canceled its previous request for a new form, and one was never issued in “FEB 1980”.
Since under the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980, Pub. L. No. 96-511, 94 Stat. 2812 (Dec. 11, 1980), codified in part at Subchapter I of Chapter 35 of Title 44 a federal agency can not use a form not approved by OMB (Office of Management and Budget), it’s nearly impossible for Senator/President-Elect Obama’s SSS Form 1 to be dated “Feb 1980.” And since that makes it almost certainly dated “Feb 1990,” then how could Barack Obama sign it and the postal clerk stamp it almost ten (10) years before its issue?! Simply not possible.
The lower right hand corner reflects that the Obama SSS form 1 was approved by OMB with an approval number of 19??0002, labeled as “C“. The double question marks (??) reflect digits that are not completely clear.
* Barack Obama’s Signature is Dated After Postal Stamp Certifying His Signature
Barack H. Obama signed the SSS Form 1’s “Today’s date” as July 30, 1980, labeled “D“. But the Postal Stamp reflects the PREVIOUS day’s date of July 29, 1980, labeled “E“. Yes, Obama could have mistakenly written the wrong date, but it is rare and much more unlikely for someone to put a future date than a past date. (Also note how Barry made such a “cute” peace sign with the “b” inside the “O” of his signature. Touching.)
* Postal Stamp is Incorrect, Discontinued in 1970
Then, there is the question as to whether the Postal Stamp is real. The “postmark” stamp–labeled “E“–is hard to read, but it is clear that at the bottom is “USPO” which stands typically for United States Post Office. However, current “postmark” validator, registry, or round dater stamps (item 570 per the Postal Operations Manual) shows “USPS” for United States Postal Service. The change from Post Office to Postal Service occurred on August 12, 1970, when President Nixon signed into law the most comprehensive postal legislation since the founding of the Republic–Public Law 91-375. The new Postal Service officially began operations on July 1, 1971.
Why was an old, obsolete postmark round dater stamp used almost ten (10) years after the fact to validate a legal document . . . that just happened to be Barack Obama’s suspicious Selective Service registration form?
* Form Shows Barack Obama didn’t have ID
The SSS Form 1 states “NO ID”, labeled “F“. Since that’s the case, then how did the Hawaiian postal clerk know that the submitter was really Barack H. Obama, who may have been on summer break from attending Occidental College in California. How would they determine whether the registrant was truly registering and not a relative, friend, or other imposter?
* The Selective Service Data Mgt. Center Stonewalled for Almost a Year on Obama Registration, Until Right Before the Election.
The retired federal agent who FOIA’d Barack Obama’s Selective Service Registration Form notes:

Early this year, when I first started questioning whether Obama registered I was told:

Sir: There may be an error in his file or many other reasons why his registration cannot be confirmed on-line. However, I did confirm with our Data Management Center that he is, indeed, registered with the Selective Service System, in compliance with Federal law.
Sincerely,
Janice L. Hughes/SSS

Then, they suddenly found the record on September 9, 2008 (prior to my October 13, 2008 request), and stated that his record was filed on September 4, 1980. Did they temporarily change the date on the computer database?
On the previous FOIA response, they stated that it was filed on September 4, 1980. In my second request I mentioned that Obama could not have filed it in Hawaii on September 4, 1980 as he was attending Occidental College in California, the classes of which commenced August 24, 1980.

* Other Questions: Missing Selective Service Number, FOIA Response Dated Prior to FOIA Request, Missing Printout Page
Where is Obama’s Selective Service number (61-1125539-1) on the card?
And the retired federal agent notes that the Selective Service Data Management Center prepared its response to his FOIA request prior to the request having been made:

The last transaction date is 09/04/80 [DS: labeled “G“], but the date of the printout is 09/09/08 [DS: labeled “H“]. My FOIA was dated October 13 so why did they prepare the printout BEFORE I submitted my FOIA? I gave them no “heads up” that I was sending it. In fact it was not mailed until late October–around the 25th.
Also, notice the printout was page 1 of 2 [DS: labeled “I“].

Hmmm . . . where is the other page, and what’s on it?
A lot of questions here. And a lot of huge hints that this government-released, official Barack Obama Selective Service registration was faked. Either he signed the fake backdated document, or someone else faked his signature and he never registered for the draft (and lied about it).
Which is it?
It’s incredible that our impending Commander-in-Chief either didn’t register for the draft or did so belatedly and fraudulently.
The documents indicate it’s one or the other.
*** UPDATE: Here’s another irregularity that points to fraud, as spotted by reader Joyce:

My husband printed the information provided on your web site regarding Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration discrepancies. I noticed that the DLN number in upper right corner (labeled “A“) has only ten (10) digits with the first two being 08 , but the DLN number shown on the computer screen printout has eleven (11) digits with the first two being 80. It clearly indicates that the “8” was added at the beginning of the DLN number, in order to appear that it was issued in 1980 and wasn’t simply a reversal of the first two digits as the retired federal agent noted. This in itself appears questionable. I would think there is a standard number of digits in all DLN numbers.

**** UPDATE #2, 11/14/08: Retired Federal Agent Source Reveals Himself:

The recently retired federal agent has requested that I disclose his identity so that there is no question as to the source of the information.
His name is Stephen Coffman. He retired last year from the position of the Resident Agent in Charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Galveston, Texas office. He has over 32 years of government service and has held a Secret or higher security clearance for the majority of those years.
He filed the FOIA with Selective Service and has the original letter and the attachments. He first notified the Selective Service of his findings and they ignored the questions.
He can be reached via email at retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net.

UPDATE #3, 11/17/08: Some Obamapologists are claiming this is a fake and want to see evidence that retired agent Coffman actually got these documents from the Selective Service System Data Management Center. Below are scans of the letter and envelope that accompanied Barack Obama’s fraudulent registration for the draft (I’ve cropped the blank white space):

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Prosecuting Obama for failure to register cannot be done. The statute of limitations has elapsed. If it is proven he could be prosecuted for participating in the apparent fraudulent registration. I am not sure what the penalties are for that crime or what affect it my have on Obama assuming office. Perhaps Debbie can enlighten us.
More importantly and not subject to the statute of limitations is the fact that a person who fails to register is permanently ineligible for a job in the executive branch of the federal government. I do not know for sure and perhaps Debbie can enlighten us but I do not believe that because the POTUS is elected to be the head of the executive branch that would make him immune from that aspect of the penalties for failing to register. Thus the need to bring this case to the proper authorities prior to December 15 2008 when the Electoral College meets is crucial. December 1 could be an important date also because that is when the Secretaries of States will be certifying their statesÔø? election results.
Debbie and Stephen and anyone else who steps up on behalf of the American people regarding this issue needs to be careful. If the Obama crowd is anything like the Clinton crowd and there now seems to be a lot of ties in spite of the competition for the nomination they could be in danger.

MIDDLE CLASS GUY on November 17, 2008 at 12:07 am

It would seem that I read on the SSS web that the Cards are held until a man is 85…Unbelievable to me is the fact that this card and his birth certificate are in question…if a man is capable of forging documents to become President and is seemingly ineligible, then he Usurped the law! How has this not been questioned and investigated? It will make a mockery of the enire democratic process and then we have truly lost credibility. Are we the only people paying attention?

defendusa on November 17, 2008 at 9:06 am

I pulled this from the SSS website.
Year of Birth 1972
First 2 digits of number 72
Search Criteria
Last Name: xxxxxx
Social Security Number: *** – ** – 8794
Date of Birth: 12/29/1972
Matched Record
Selective Service Number:
72-1515080-1
Date of Registration
3/27/1991

NoBama Please on November 17, 2008 at 9:59 am

I appreciate all the legwork done by all the above posters, but my brain hurts right now. So, I’m gonna throw my conspiracy theory into the ring.
We may be barking up the wrong tree. Early in the thread BobonStatenIsland proposes that the coverup may have involved more than merely a registration date. What if the coverup is a BIRTH DATE? His evidence was Barry’s claim that he was 8 years old at the time of Ayers activities.
Something went “ZING” when I read about 2/3 down the page: “Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration.”
Could we be looking at a forgery to “produce” a country of birth origin (Hawaii) when his mother might have been somewhere else in 1959…weighed with his grandmother’s statement of being present at his birth in Kenya?
I know it’s a stretch to make 2 years “disappear” from a kid’s life, but it would answer why no birth certificate can be produced. It would also answer why he never filled one out–if he was born in 1959,he never HAD to, according to law. But he DID have to prove citizenship, and this may have been the most “expeditious” manner to comply with requests for “location” when the looming issue centers (but not exclusively) on “when”.
Can someone validate conclusively where mom was in 1959?

millime on November 17, 2008 at 11:08 am

millime-
Unfortunately, there is probably no way to ever verify the whereabouts of mom during this whole period. The customs records that would show entry and exits from the US are surely gone now [due to age, nothing sinister] and I am sure the passport has long been replaced. And as far as Kenyan records are concerned, to be less than polite, that is a joke. Airline records would be long destroyed. Receipts from hotels, etc. all gone.
The only real way to prove this is going to be an official, original birth CERTIFICATE from the State of Hawaii. And something tells me that is not going to be forthcoming anytime soon.
This may be the second real crack in American adherence to the rule of law in the Presidency-the first being a sitting President committing a “high crime of misdemeanor” and staying in office. What will come next?

Sean on November 17, 2008 at 11:39 am

http://www.jrsportfolio.com/phila/uspib/Bul027/27_1.pdf
Interesting pictures of round daters in HI in 1980. All 4 digits. Includes USPO and USPS at bottom.

Fwapsk on November 17, 2008 at 11:47 am

Now there is a fraudulent Selective service record.
Barry ran to Hawaii to have his Birth records sealed and bribe the Governor of Hawaii to seal them just in case there were challanges to his being a legitimate citizen, WHICH HE IS NOT.
So for all intents and purposes we have a Usurper about to assume the presidency of the United States. But the obamabots wanted change, 70% of obama’s picks have been former Clinton Re-treads. So much for change and new blood in Washington.
Oh, all you obama supporters enjoy your liberty, you have precious time left until your turn for Mandatory service comes into effect.

mark on November 17, 2008 at 11:54 am

While I admit or confess no expertise in DLNs or how they are assigned, I was just looking at the one listed above and find it odd that the DLN just happens to start with the same area code as the phone number in Hawaii. In a way this makes sense if records were going to be tracked based on where the person resided and had a phone, the area code would be a good way to do it.
And this in its own way comports with the IRS manual provided, with the first digits being location, just here, its the first three instead of two-which would all that the IRS would need to correlate the number to its filing center, of which there was a limited number.
While I do believe it is a fake, the missing “19” in the date is unexplainable, I do not believe the DLN is as mysterious as it seems.

Sean on November 17, 2008 at 12:31 pm

JBean – November 14, 2008 02:20 PM (sorry, I’ve been away for the weekend):
Yes, the edited screen-shot file can be saved on the mainframe. It can also be copied and pasted into a Notepad (.txt) file on a PC and can be emailed. Notepad is better than Word, because it preserves the non-incremental spacing like the mainframe, so you keep the same alignment.

SkyePuppy on November 17, 2008 at 2:14 pm

Hi Debbie Schlussel, I have forwarded this page (cached) to my contacts at the FBI, DOJ, and the CIA.
They will be looking into this, and one of them actually said either the president would have to explain this or, you would most likely be going to jail for fraud. Thanks for the info…

BeCause on November 17, 2008 at 2:40 pm

ooooo, BeCoz…maybe he shouldn’t shut down GitMo so soon. They might need a place for all of us on this blog if the president ELECT doesn’t explain himself. {{{{shudder}}}}

millime on November 17, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Debbie,
I have been reading all about Obama of late (birth certificate, or there lack of, the Selective Service Fraud, and many, many other things), including all of the comments to date on this blog. I am impressed by the number of people who have contributed, especially Debbie. Though there may be a statute of limitations for not registering for the selective service, however, this is outright fraud, perpetrated by power hungry fools and wantabees. These people are not doing our country any favors, however, in the grand scheme of things, and unfortunately, there is a grass roots throughout the world, an effort to undermine all that is great about our country. It appears to me, their is effort underway to bring about the demise of our country. The is first thing to do is try to cap future generations by destroying our unborn. The second thing to do is to take away any possible way of defending ourselves, i.e. total gun control. The third thing is to pervert the thoughts of our young, who are believing the dribble and lies being heaped upon them like, being owed government intervention into all facets of their lives.
I remember during the Obama campaign rally’s, there was a woman who was all fired up about Obama and believed if Obama is elected we won’t have to worry any more about our mortgages or fuel for our cars. The government will take care of all of our needs.
Who is Barry (Barack) Obama? Why is it he is above the law? In my eyes, I believe what we are seeing is a new coup to create a regime ruled by tyrants, gangsters, and social reformers who are not happy unless they can control the masses and conform them to an Orwellian society. They want to take away our freedoms of speech and if you say or think aloud any non-conformist thoughts or deeds, you will be put away, never to be heard again.
Obama needs to be accountable for all of the lies and deceit he and his minion are dishing out and the hundred of millions of dollars that trusting people donated to his fraudulent cause.
I see Obama as an empty vessel, who, depending on who he is talking to, will say what it is you want to hear. I remember reading how during the campaign he said he wants to do away with the NAFTA agreement, and then out of the other side of his mouth, he had his people reassure the Canadian Government he didn’t mean what he said during the campaign speech, he was still wanting to keep NAFTA agreement in place. In addition, during the Odinga campaign in Kenya, Obama violated the terms of his passport to campaign for his friend/Cousin while he was a Senator, yet he was not punished for his intervention.
He has been influenced by too many negative people throughout his life and actually believes his own press, that he is the Saviour of our pitiful lives and a Citizen of the World.
Our leaders need to get away from trying to reward those who fail, by bailing them out. However, we need to come together on ways in which to do things smarter. Chrysler was bailed out years ago, however, if memory serves me correctly, the new CEO turned around the production garbage they were creating and started producing products that were built with pride and quality. We need to start working smarter, utilizing the God given talents and abilities to bring greatness back into our Country.
Thank God for the rights we currently have, and pray for guidance of our Justices in the Courts currently evaluating his being a native born citizen. May God preserve our freedoms and protect those who are serving our Country, all over the world. And in this free country, thank God for those who may disagree with all that is right and just. You to have the freedom of speech. The signers of the Constitution are probably rolling over in their graves right now wondering what other fiasco will take place before the Courts find the truth. God save our Constitutional and moral values and help us to overthrow those that would try to destroy US.

Let_Freedom_Reign on November 17, 2008 at 5:53 pm

IF any of you are interested, Go to Atlas Shrugged Blog and read up on the Obama forgery. Snopes has said this was debunked, but if you google Philip Berg, Obama and read on, you can see the potential for the power grab and the forgering going on. Berg says he has Obama’s Grandmother on tape saying he was born in Kenya. He alleges he will be releasing the tape soon. Another rumor floating about is that Obama must produce the original BC by Dec. 1. per SCOTUS…

defendusa on November 17, 2008 at 7:13 pm

I have heard the tape and it is NOT clear what the grandmother said as she is not speaking in english, but rather what we hear is an interpretor is speaking for her. Also, she has several grandsons named Barack and could have been easily confused so I would not give this much merit. The entire tape is hard to understand and I am not a legal authority, but if I was a juror, I would definately not consider it a viable source evidence against Obama. Now, before you go bashing me, I am NOT an Obama supporter and I have been fighting hard to get our state & US Reps & officials to do their job and prove he is legit. I had an editorial printed in last weeks local newspaper and talked to the editor today and have another coming out this week about the fraudulant SS form. But what I do NOT believe in is Philip Berg. He is more erratic than fire ant.

Linda on November 17, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Did anyone notice that the year in the post office stamp is off center? Someone else pointed it out to me. I thought I’d pass it along here. Wouldn’t it be center as the third line in the center of the circle of the stamp. Shouldn’t the “Jul” on the first line and the “29” on the second line and the “80” of the third line in the center circle of the stamper all line up along an invisible center line? Isn’t that how these date stamps are made to work and look? Instead, it look to me like the first two digits prefixing the 80 were left blank on purpose due to difficulty making up the stamper to do a back date. Sort of makes me think that the person who made the stamp couldn’t find a mechanism with 19 in the prefix and just removed the 20 of a more modern mechanism completely to make this stamper image. That would explain the “80” being off center. Take a look at the postal stamp above and see what you think about this point. Just passing along what someone pointed out to me. Goat

mtngoat61 on November 17, 2008 at 9:47 pm

I found this history of the Selective Service registration going on in the 1980’s (http://www.history.army.mil/books/dahsum/1980/ch05.htm) and thought it was pretty coincidental the dates on Obama’s alleged registration lined up with these two lines:
“In accordance with a presidential proclamation signed on 2 July 1980, men born in 1960 were required to register during the week of 21 July 1980 and registration of males born in 1961 began on 28 July 1980.”
“On 4 September 1980, the Director of Selective Service announced that 87 percent of the eligible population had registered on time…”
Isn’t it strange that the dates of July 29, 1980 and September 4 1980 were also Obama’s registration dates? Any third rate hack researcher could’ve also found this history, and pulled those dates out for convenience sake.

erkyl on November 18, 2008 at 1:14 am

One would be amazed by what knowing the ‘right people’ in Chicago can do. I personally used to be able to get building permits for Cook County in under 30 minutes!!! That’s drawn up, approved, and faxed to my office. All I had to do was call my ex-father-in-law, a high ranking Chicago detective, and he would contact the ‘right people’ and they would jump!!!

ksp on November 18, 2008 at 9:49 am

Quote: “I found this history of the Selective Service registration going on in the 1980’s (http://www.history.army.mil/books/dahsum/1980/ch05.htm) and thought it was pretty coincidental the dates on Obama’s alleged registration lined up with these two lines:”
Isn’t it just amazing how quickly these links keep getting deleted! Any comment I make on major networks gets deleted within hours. My points are not even mean spirited and they are gone. Freedom of speech is being terminated as we speak.

jcsjcm on November 18, 2008 at 9:56 am

Q: Shouldn’t the date be centered on the stamp?
A: Actually the complete date should be shown and I believe the reason it is off center and missing ink at the top is they used a 2008 stamp upside down. Just my opinion!

jcsjcm on November 18, 2008 at 9:58 am

Debbie: Is it possible that when 2000 rolled in all Date Stamps with 19** were archived? Seems likely to me. I like the theory that forgers used Date Stamp 2008, inverted it and blocked out 20 leaving only 80 upside down! Please use your government contacts to comfirn if all Date Stamps with 19** were archived and when. Thank you

shilor on November 18, 2008 at 10:23 am

“Isn’t it just amazing how quickly these links keep getting deleted! Any comment I make on major networks gets deleted within hours. My points are not even mean spirited and they are gone. Freedom of speech is being terminated as we speak.”
This is the second time in 24 hours I’ve heard of a webpage being scrubbed so quickly. Remember to take screenshots or save it to your hard drive!

415gam on November 18, 2008 at 11:29 am

I think the real question here is are the authorities getting involved in this issue? The clock is ticking. If Obama did not register properly and this apparent fraud is real then he is not eligible to be POTUS. We can analyze the docs all we want but what we need is for the authorities to examine the original docs and proceed accordingly. Either declare the registration valid and explain the oddities or confirm the fraud and declare Obama as ineligle to be POTUS.

MIDDLE CLASS GUY on November 18, 2008 at 11:33 am

Wow, I can’t believe that historical review article was scrubbed. Last night, when I was looking at it for the second time, I knew I should have saved it.

erkyl on November 18, 2008 at 11:42 am

Oh, LOL, I do still have it. I guess my cache saved it, and so now I have done a screen-capture of it both as a word doc and as a jpeg. Don’t think it’s really that big of a deal, but at least I do still have it 😀

erkyl on November 18, 2008 at 11:58 am

Okay, so I’ll stop after this last comment about the article being scrubbed. Here’s what’s disturbing about it:
#1. The page was from a book and was hosted on an Army Military History website, i.e. our government! So, that’s curious. The url includes the name Dashum, so I’m assuming that’s who wrote it. But the site must be maintained by government employees, since it’s an Army site.
#2. All they did by scrubbing the link is make my assertion about the dates appear to be true. I mean, why scrub the article unless that is where they came up with the dates to forge the new registration? You don’t have to hide it if it’s not true, right?
I don’t personally think what I asserted was that controversial or earth-shattering. However, if anyone needs to actually see the document in the flesh, I have it.

erkyl on November 18, 2008 at 12:06 pm

erkyl,
All is not lost. I found the cache file on google dated 11/10/2008. I screen captured it and saved it on my hard drive. When I did the search it came up with this address:
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:KD1EZptok1AJ:www.history.army.mil/books/dahsum/1980/ch05.htm+%22In+accordance+with+a+presidential+proclamation+signed+on+2+July+1980,+men+born+in+1960+were+required+to+register+during+the+week+of+21+July+1980+and+registration+of+males+born+in+1961+began+on+28+July+1980.%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
Hopefully that will let everyone link to it.

ldtaylor on November 18, 2008 at 12:08 pm

Okay, mystery solved. No conspiracy going on. The article wasn’t scrubbed. I will now remove my tin-foil hat.
Look at the hyperlink in my original post. The close parenthesis mark was included in the hyperlink, and that was sending to the wrong page. You can still directly link to the page without the parenthesis mark, like this:
http://www.history.army.mil/books/dahsum/1980/ch05.htm
But, hey, now I know how to find a copy of something that was scrubbed, should I ever need to do so.

erkyl on November 18, 2008 at 12:47 pm

There have been a couple of comments along the lines of, “Obama has already been elected, so what is the point?” Well, actually, that is false. OBAMA HAS NOT BEEN ELECTED UNTIL THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE MEETS TO CAST THEIR BALLOTS. Alan Keyes has filed a lawsuit in California to prevent the electors in that state from voting until the birth certificate issue is settled. Biden wouldn’t automatically take his place because they have not yet been sworn in. I’m not even sure what would happen in the (admittedly unlikely) case of Obama’s being found ineligible to hold the office of POTUS before they vote. What a mess! Obama should have straightened all of this out a long time ago if he has nothing to hide. Why start out your term of office with clouds over your head?

Snarkymom on November 18, 2008 at 12:49 pm

>>> OBAMA HAS NOT BEEN ELECTED UNTIL THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE MEETS TO CAST THEIR BALLOTS.
Technically, he’s not even the President-Elect yet! Not until the voting takes place on Dec. 15. And with all of the lawsuits in place, I can honestly see the Electoral Vote being delayed.

RobertR on November 18, 2008 at 1:17 pm

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I pray that someone with influence in the media or the government reads this and is compelled to bring the facts before the public.
JUST IMAGINE THIS:
If my Government teacher in 1978 would have told me that in 2008 the President Elect would have 15 lawsuits filed against him in the State Courts and 2 filed in The Supreme Court of the United States filed. If she said that the 17 lawsuits would accuse him of fraud and question his status as a natural born citizen. If she said that his father was a foreign national and that he had held citizenships from other countries. If I was told that the President Elect was not coming forward with documents and records that would put an end to the charges and demanding that his honor be restored. If she said that the major Newspapers and National TV News Networks would not report it. When she said millions and millions of people learned about it on reports from a digital web of world wide computers and were left wondering what does the President Elect have to hide. Was he hiding something that had to wait until after his inauguration to go public? Would it have cost him election? I would have said that that would make for the start of a good novel. But no way could that ever happen.
Well here we are. 11-18-08
Tonight FOX News reported in detail on legal cases about the 8 year old Arizona Boy who may have killed his father, a Mom who may have cyber bullied a girl into committing suicide and yes a little more Drew Peterson updates for desert. Not a word on the existence of the 17 lawsuits accusing the next President of the United States to be a fraud. Is this fair and balanced reporting, you decide?
Yesterday while reading an online news story a link led me to a report by Debbie
Schlussel. a columnist who has put her name and reputation in red letters on documents that raise questions that Obama may have not registered for the draft and lied and that there may be forgery involved. Her source for the aforementioned documents identified himself. I am left wondering are these documents genuine, is this a hoax? Where can I go for the answers. Will the Major News Papers or the National TV News Networks investigate this and honestly report what is true and what is false? Thirty years ago I would have thought so but now after the 2008 election I have serious doubts.
Why are these reports not getting coverage and national attention? Why does Barrack Obama have to be protected from investigation? Is the DNC indirectly using fear of racial violence and riots to obtain and maintain their grasp of executive power? I am a white man and I have a picture of Martin Luther King on my desk. His picture reminds me to judge people ìby the content of their character not the color of their skin.î I am a contractor and work with people of all colors every day. I personally employ 2 African Americans and 3 Lost Boys from Sudan. They are good men and deserve the respect they have earned. The current political and racial climate makes me sick. Will fear of riots and violence keep the truth from being told to the people? If we let this happen then it may be the beginning of the end of the America we knew. Think about what could happen in the next 30 years if we do not make a stand now.
I was born in 1961 and graduated High School in 1979 same as Barack Obama. My SSS record is genuine. I have been married 24 years, we have 2 children and a small business that my wife and I started 20 years ago that now employs 24 people. I pray to God for knowledge of his will for me.

Ken from VA Beach on November 18, 2008 at 9:45 pm

There is only one slight problem here and I am amazed that no one on the board, even the biggest O-bots, has pointed this out. It something that anyone who has worked in or with Federal agencies in the past 30 years, including the retired agent who made the FOIA request, would know: this record cannot be released without the individualÔø?s written permission. The Federal Right to Privacy Act would apply to anyone and everyone whose records are on file with the Federal government. ThatÔø?s why the IRS agent who looked up the celebrity tax returns got in so much trouble.
This is something I dealt with many times a day during the 3 1/2 years I worked in a Congressional office. ItÔø?s why we needed the constituentÔø?s written permission to even contact a Federal agency on their behalf. It didnÔø?t matter if it was Social Security, the INS, the VA, any branch of the military, etc. We even needed the constituentÔø?s permission to get them their military medals. Some records are public. Meeting minutes, for instance, donÔø?t contain personal data. This is a personal record and is not public.
IÔø?m not saying this wasnÔø?t bent. For instance, the INS would generally give you the status of an application if you had the file number (how else would we know it if we didnÔø?t talk to the applicant or their attorney). The National Personnel Records Center usually took someoneÔø?s word for it if they said the veteran whose medals or records they wanted to obtain was deceased. This was especially true for WWII vets and Korean, most of whom have in fact died by now. Also, if you write to a Member of Congress about legislation, your personal information isnÔø?t relevant to their ability to respond, so long as they have your address.
My best guess is that both the document and the Selective Service System response is a forgery. If this agent really exists and did work for the INS for so long, he should know that records containing personal info are private.
Just for fun, try to get your favorite male relative younger than 45’s Selective Service registration. Getting a public figureÔø?s isnÔø?t any different. Try getting your favorite baseball player’s, assuming he’s a U.S. citizen, of course. Derek Jeter, Grady Sizemore, etc.
A free and fair press would be after Obama to release any or all of the following: birth certificate, high school transcript, college transcript, law school transcript, application for student aid, college disciplinary records, employment records, clients represented as an attorney, you name it. They are definitely falling down on the job. That doesn’t mean those who are trying to fill the gap aren’t trying a little too hard.
[E: WRONG. DRAFT REGISTRATION WITH THE SELECTIVE SERVICE IS, INDEED, FOIABLE. HIS SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER WAS BLACKED OUT TO COMPLY WITH THE PRIVACY ACT. DS]

elmo on November 18, 2008 at 10:30 pm

I am confused. On November 13 this story was broken on this website. It seemed to provide hope for those of us who believe in the rule of law. It seems the numerous cases in the courts regarding ObamaÔø?s eligibilty as a natural born citizen are not going to prevail.
This revelation of an apparent serous crime by someone, maybe by Obama falsifying a draft registration seemed significant. If true, Obama would not be eligible to be POTUS. Not due to the falsification of the registration but by failing to register he is banned from holding any job in the executive branch of the federal government.
Here is my dilemma. Since posting this story it seems that this issue has been put on the back burner and I am beginning to wonder if I am wasting my time coming to this now archived story to see if any action has been taken. This story is off the home page of the site and I get here now by having saved the link. It seems that since posting the story and doing the Breibart interview this story is dead. I hope I am wrong but I do not see any follow ups from Debbie on the site or even responses to questions posed to her. Stephen answered my first e-mail but no answer from Debbie.
It seems to me that if this were a real story and I was the one breaking this story and believing in it I would be doing some follow up. That has not happened; at least on the surface. Perhaps Debbie, Stephen, and others are working hard behind the scenes. If this is this case, please let us know somehow that this is a real issue.
I would like to know if the authorities are involved or going to be involved. If this is just about looking for an archived story on a blog giving false hope to loyal Americans then I would like to know that. I have no interest in reading about amateur interpretations of the documents that will lead to no where. I am very interested in StephenÔø?s analysis and whether or not the apparent crime can be confirmed by the authorities.
Maybe I am wrong but it seems that a law enforcement forensics team could settle this matter in a day. My question is: is that in the works?

MIDDLE CLASS GUY on November 18, 2008 at 10:41 pm

I note that the phone number is a 7 digit number (although marked out) – when I lived in Hawaii in the late 60’s the phone numbers were only 6 digits. In what year did Hawaii go to the 7 digit number – if after the date of this document, it would prove interesting.

Karen on November 19, 2008 at 2:34 am

New to this site. Is it usual that we receive no response to our inquiries? I realize that things must be checked out with several different authorities but will Debbie get back to this site to inform us?

shilor on November 19, 2008 at 9:13 am

She responded on the 18th to the post by Ken from VA Beach.

erkyl on November 19, 2008 at 11:57 am

Well, indeed, there is a privacy act statement. However, I have called the numbers provided and I have my husband’s ss#. If Mr. Coffman had the SS#, then he could certainly have gained access. It took me days to get through by phone. Why is it people keep putting him on the pedestal?

defendusa on November 19, 2008 at 1:13 pm

Hey Erkyl, DS loggoed on and corrected Elmo on the FOIA post that was put up.
She did not respong to my post.
The writer is listed at the bottom of the post, I have made the same mistake.
If this was a fake why would she put her name and reputaion in red letters on the documents?
Keep on Trucking DS!

Ken from VA Beach on November 19, 2008 at 4:44 pm

I have provided the registration form, the computer screen printout, the letter from the Selective Service, and the envelope. If anyone thinks I forged or altered the documents, please go to http://www.sss.gov and click on the FOIA link. And request the documents yourself.
The unredacted information (name, DOB, address, Selective Service number etc.) is in the public domain.
From my experience as a federal agent, I know there are ways to ask for something that will produce the documents when a normal request does not produce anything.
I explained that if the Selective Service did not provide the registration form, then I would request under FOIA all correspondence (including, but not limited to) to and from the agency concerning Senator Obama’s Selective Service registration. I also said that if they did supply the registration form, I would not request anything more from them.
Carrot and the stick approach.
So fell free to send in a FOIA request yourself. All it costs is a postage stamp.
I would suggest someone request all the correspondence concerning Senator Obama’s registration. I would also suggest that you request a Document Locator Number greater than and less than the one on the form. Don’t do the immediate ones before or after the DLN on the registration do a large bracket.
Ken from VA beach, why don’t you FOIA your form?
I hope that helps.
Stephen Coffman
retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net

StephenCoffman on November 19, 2008 at 9:22 pm

Stephen, Debbie:
I do not question your veracity, your analysis, or your method of obtaining the documents.
My only questions are:
Ôø?Are the proper authorities getting involved?
Ôø?If not, how do we get them involved?
The clock is ticking. December 15 is coming fast. If your theory is correct then Obama is not eligible to be POTUS or to have any job in the executive branch of the federal government. A forensics team could validate or disprove your conclusions easily. We need the authorities to be involved or all of this chat is meaningless.
Thanks, Ken

MIDDLE CLASS GUY on November 19, 2008 at 10:19 pm

Mr. Coffman, I enlisted in the USCG in 1979. I registered on April 28, 1982 after I received my honorable discharge from the USCG. I do not think my form and DLN would be of any help. If it can be of help I will request it.
Honestly I am afraid to request information for fear of reprisals from Obama supporters that work for the government. I am a small business man and OSHA VA Dept of Taxation or the IRS could make my life a nightmare. I run a legitimate company but these agencies have regulations that no one can follow to the letter. They can make trouble for a business if they want to. Look at what the state of Ohio did to Joe the Plumber. Within 24 hours after he asked Obama a reasonable question they illegally dug up any dirt that could find and ABC,NBC, and CBS al ran it the next day.
I hope you understand that people will naturally be skeptical. I guess I have been conditioned to only believe reports in the News Papers or on the Cable and Network News. I am an average guy who is baffled about the lack coverage of the Natural Born Citizen Lawsuits. The lack of coverage seems to be a cover up. This bias and lack of honest coverage of the real Obama has brought me to the internet news and blogs for the first time. Some of the reports and opinions I have seen on the net seem far fetched. So when this news release about Obamaís SSS info came across my screen, I just did not know who to believe. I try not to jump to conclusions and make false accusations.
If you know in your heart that you are telling the truth, please do not take my skepticism personally.

Ken from VA Beach on November 19, 2008 at 11:28 pm

The above comment just proves that the majority of people already feel they have lost something vital and important in this country. The freedom to question our leaders. The freedom of speech.
We do need Debbie and Stephen to take this information to someone who can see if there something in fact wrong. No one should be above the law.Debbie what are you guys going to do with it?
I saw plenty enough for me about Obama before the election to know that he was not the best person for the job and I will never feel he deserved the honor in history of being the first African American President. There are many honorable AA men that where far more qualified and far most honest with the American people

Holly on November 20, 2008 at 7:39 am

Ken from VA Beach, thank you for your service. I fully understand your concern about being targeted. My wife worries about that every day since I released my name.
No one will take the case. The Assistant United States Attorneys (AUSA) are waiting to see if they lose their jobs when Obama becomes president (they are appointed positions). And to take such a case would be a sure political career ending move.
As I have said before, I provided this information to Selective Service weeks prior to giving it to Debbie. They are just waiting it out as they know that no one will do anything about it. That is the most serious aspect about this, you have probable cause that a crime has been committed and it is ignored.
The Selective Service form may not be that important, but what government document will be forged next?
Look at the $2 trillion bailout, but the government will not tell even Congress who is getting this taxpayer money!
We are becoming a government that operates on secrets and crimes.

StephenCoffman on November 20, 2008 at 8:01 am

I was born March 15, 1961. I checked my Selective Service Verification on the internet Site. It shows the ate of registration as August 22, 1980. I registered in southeast Texas, close to Beaumont, TX
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My SSN first two numbers are “61” not “80” and in addition some people have been claiming the last number can only be a 1, 2 or 3, which pertains to certain regions.
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The last number of my SSN is “4”

BobbyR on November 20, 2008 at 10:01 am

“While I admit or confess no expertise in DLNs or how they are assigned, I was just looking at the one listed above and find it odd that the DLN just happens to start with the same area code as the phone number in Hawaii. In a way this makes sense if records were going to be tracked based on where the person resided and had a phone, the area code would be a good way to do it.
And this in its own way comports with the IRS manual provided, with the first digits being location, just here, its the first three instead of two-which would all that the IRS would need to correlate the number to its filing center, of which there was a limited number.”
I can confirm this to be true. I just looked at my draft card and the first three digits of my DLN is, in fact, the area code that corresponds to the place where I registered (even though I was born in a different state). If he was in college at Occidental during the time that he registered, as someone here suggested, the first three digits should correspond to that area, not a Hawaii area code. Oops!

bdybldr on November 20, 2008 at 11:12 am

bdydldr, how did you get your DLN? Did you FOIA it? The DLN is the way they locate the document on the microfilm. It is put on by the computer before the document is microfilmed.
A good example, is to go to the library and ask for the microfilm of your local news paper from 1980. See if the DLN doesn’t start with an “80.”
Remember these documents must be retrievable until the 85th birthday of the registrant. So how many times do you think a person may move between their 18th and 85th birthday?
And each time the person moves, they are required to notify the Selective Service (until their 26th birthday). So do you really think the Selective Service retrieves the form and restamps it?

StephenCoffman on November 20, 2008 at 11:43 am

Hi Stephen,
I have a Selective Service Registration Acknowledgment card that I have carried in my wallet since I got it in 1989. On the front is my Selective Service # (starts with 70; ends with 3). On the back is my name and address (at the time) and above that is my Sel Serv # and another set of numbers (11 digists) which I assume to be my DLN, the first three correspond to the area code in the location where I registered.
I wasn’t aware that I needed to notify SS when I relocate so I never did that.

bdybldr on November 20, 2008 at 12:04 pm

bdybldr & Stephen, I am looking at my son’s Registration Acknowleegment Card, SSS Form 3A (05-01). He was born in 1983. The front of the card has the SSS emblem with “Registration Acknowledgment Card” (RAC) at the top it then has his Selective Service Number, date of birth, name and address and a space for his signature. On the back it shows the Form number (I stated prior), his Social Security Number, Last Action Date, a statment thanking the registrant for registering and the Director’s signature – – No DLN. BUT…his RAC is still attached to the whole entire form (two cards) the top card has two government form numbers 1.) OMB-3240-0003 and 2.) SSS Form 3B (05-01) (FYI: 05 means May, 01 means 2001 – date form was established or changed). Across the top of Form 3B it has his SelSvc#, SocSec#, Sex, Date of Birth and Last Action Date. In the middle of Form 3B it has his Name and Address. Directly above that is his SelSvc#, although it is not identified as such {A normal SelSvc# with birth year at the beginning and a dash 4 at the end (Central U.S.)} After that SelSvc# there is a large space then the number 10, then another large space and then 201##-###### (each # is a number). The Form 3B is a Change of Information Form, therefore the 201##-###### could be a DLN but it is not set up like above’s sample. Sorry for the rambling!!

FedMom on November 20, 2008 at 9:20 pm

*sigh* I havent read this whole page, but am increasingly disturbed thinking about what future my children will have. I cant complain about the newly elected President as I didnt vote. Mind you, I was torn, and couldnt vote. Hence, I opted out. Both sides told me what I wanted to hear, and I didnt want to make an uninformed decision that would affect us as a nation.
I personally discovered recently that Im a Libertarian, but knew if I voted that way, it would be a wasted vote.
Im in the middle as far as conservatism and liberalism (if that makes any sense).
Im on board in thinking that Obama does indeed have a shady past. Im a bit fearful now.
And the Senate is primarily Dems, there is little to no chance of impeachment if he ruins the country??? Is that accurate???

shadowlogic on November 21, 2008 at 5:27 am

Selective Service registration was mandatory for all young men 18 and over, in 1980. I came to this country in 1979 as a refugee, and became a U.S. citizen in 1985. I clearly remember how my brother and myself had our doubts re Selective Service registration, but still went and registered in 1980. I was not a citizen of this country at the time, and citizenship was not a prerequisite for registration. Our registrations were accepted and we both received letters from Selected Service attesting to the fact that we registered.
Furthermore, I’d like to dispel any doubts re the last digit of the registration number. In the mainframe world (and IT world, for that matter), it is common practice to utilize what is known as a ‘check digit’. This is also known as ‘data integrity’. Check Digit serves as verification that no figures were transposed or missed in the original number. It is derived from doing some mathematics on the original number – in this case – assigned Selective Service Registration number. For example, multiply it by 3 and divide by 7 – every data processing shop has its own formula. The last digit of the result would be added to the main number as a check digit. This is how the system knows if your number is wrong and would not provide you with someone else’s information.
Here’s an example:
Your original number is 1212. Multiply by 3, divide by 7, result is 519, check digit is 9, becomes 1212-9
You transposed numbers, it is now 1221. Multiply by 3, divide by 7, result is 523, check digit is 3. Becomes 1221-3
This is how you check for integrity. Selective Service computers have this algorithm in them to catch errors. I sincerely doubt that the last digit has anything to do with the Selective Service registration center location. So don’t waste your time on this, other facts are much more significant in my view.

EK on November 21, 2008 at 6:34 am

FedMom,
My card is exactly as you describe above:
Sel Serv # 10 DLN# (I assume anyway–not indicated as such)
Is the area code where your son registered “201”?

bdybldr on November 21, 2008 at 9:01 am

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