November 13, 2008, - 1:56 am

EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama’s Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions

By Debbie Schlussel
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Did President-elect Barack Hussein Obama commit a federal crime in September of this year? Or did he never actually register and, instead, did friends of his in the Chicago federal records center, which maintains the official copy of his alleged Selective Service registration commit the crime for him?
It’s either one or the other, as indicated by the release of Barack Obama’s official Selective Service registration for the draft. A friend of mine, who is a retired federal agent, spent almost a year trying to obtain this document through a Freedom of Information Act request, and, after much stonewalling, finally received it and released it to me.
But the release of Obama’s draft registration and an accompanying document, posted below, raises more questions than it answers. And it shows many signs of fraud, not to mention putting the lie to Obama’s claim that he registered for the draft in June 1979, before it was required by law.

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The official campaign for President may be over. But Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our next Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it’s proof positive that our next Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.
But the Selective Service System registration (“SSS Form 1”) and accompanying computer print-out (“SSS Print-out), below, released by the Selective Service show the following oddities and irregularities, all of which indicate the document was created in 2008 and backdated:
* Document Location Number Indicates Obama Selective Service Form was Created in 2008
First, there is the Document Location Number (DLN) on the form. In the upper right hand corner of the Selective Service form SSS Form 1, there is the standard Bates-stamped DLN, in this case “0897080632,” which I’ve labeled as “A” on both the SSS Form and the computer printout document. On the form, it reflects a 2008 creation, but on the printout, an extra eight was added in front of the number to make it look like it is from 1980, when it was actually created in 2008.
As the retired federal agent notes:

Having worked for the Federal Government for several decades, I know that the standardization of DLNs have the first two digits of the DLN representing the year of issue. That would mean that this DLN was issued in 2008. The DLN on the computer screen printout is the exact same number, except an 8 has been added to make it look like it is from 1980 and give it a 1980 DLN number. And 1980 is the year Senator/President Elect Obama is said to have timely registered. So, why does the machine-stamped DLN reflect this year (2008) and the DLN in the database (which was manually input) reflect a “corrected” DLN year of 1980? Were all the DLNs issued in 1980 erroneously marked with a 2008 DLN year or does the Selective Service use a different DLN system then the rest of the Federal Government? Or was the SSS Form 1 actually processed in 2008 and not 1980?

It’s quite a “coincidence” . . . that is, if you believe in coincidences, especially in this case.
Far more likely is that someone made up a fake Selective Service registration to cover Obama’s lack of having done so, and that the person stamping the form forgot (or was unable to) change the year to “80” instead of the current “08”. They either forgot to fake the DLN number or couldn’t do so.
And guess where the Selective Service registrations are marked and recorded? Lucky for Obama, it’s his native Chicago. From an article entitled, “Post Office Registration Process”, on the Selective Service website:

When a young man reaches 18 he can go to any of the 35,000 post offices nationwide to register with Selective Service. There he completes a simple registration card and mails it to the Selective Service System. This begins a multi-step process which results in the man’s registration.
Each week approximately 6,000 completed registration cards are sent to the Selective Service System’s Data Management System (DMC) near Chicago, Ill. At the DMC these cards are grouped into manageable quantities. Each card is then microfilmed and stamped with a sequential document locator number. The processed microfilm is reviewed to account for all documents and to ensure that the film quality is within strict standards. After microfilming, the cards are keyed and then verified by a different data transcriber.

The Document Locator Number (DLN) is an automatic function (Selective Service record-keeping, specifically the DLN is described on pages 7-8 of this Federal Register document), with the first two digits comprising the year, and it was not changed to “08” in error. So if the form was filed and processed in 1980, how did it get a 2008 DLN?!
* Obama’s Selective Service Registration Form is Apparently 1990 Form Altered to Appear Like 1980 Form
On the SSS Form 1, in the lower left hand corner is the form number (SSS Form 1) and the month and year version of the form, labeled as “B“. On this particular Form 1, it clearly shows the month as “FEB” (February), and the year is either “80” or “90”. The retired federal agent investigated further:

Magnification of the form both physically (with a 10x glass) or with different image software does not reflect a clear cut result of either a “80” or a “90”.

But, checking the history of SSS Form 1 (see http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=198002-3240-001#), it’s apparent that in February 1980, the Selective Service agency withdrew a “Request for a new OMB control number” for SSS Form 1 (see also, here)–meaning the agency canceled its previous request for a new form, and one was never issued in “FEB 1980”.
Since under the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980, Pub. L. No. 96-511, 94 Stat. 2812 (Dec. 11, 1980), codified in part at Subchapter I of Chapter 35 of Title 44 a federal agency can not use a form not approved by OMB (Office of Management and Budget), it’s nearly impossible for Senator/President-Elect Obama’s SSS Form 1 to be dated “Feb 1980.” And since that makes it almost certainly dated “Feb 1990,” then how could Barack Obama sign it and the postal clerk stamp it almost ten (10) years before its issue?! Simply not possible.
The lower right hand corner reflects that the Obama SSS form 1 was approved by OMB with an approval number of 19??0002, labeled as “C“. The double question marks (??) reflect digits that are not completely clear.
* Barack Obama’s Signature is Dated After Postal Stamp Certifying His Signature
Barack H. Obama signed the SSS Form 1’s “Today’s date” as July 30, 1980, labeled “D“. But the Postal Stamp reflects the PREVIOUS day’s date of July 29, 1980, labeled “E“. Yes, Obama could have mistakenly written the wrong date, but it is rare and much more unlikely for someone to put a future date than a past date. (Also note how Barry made such a “cute” peace sign with the “b” inside the “O” of his signature. Touching.)
* Postal Stamp is Incorrect, Discontinued in 1970
Then, there is the question as to whether the Postal Stamp is real. The “postmark” stamp–labeled “E“–is hard to read, but it is clear that at the bottom is “USPO” which stands typically for United States Post Office. However, current “postmark” validator, registry, or round dater stamps (item 570 per the Postal Operations Manual) shows “USPS” for United States Postal Service. The change from Post Office to Postal Service occurred on August 12, 1970, when President Nixon signed into law the most comprehensive postal legislation since the founding of the Republic–Public Law 91-375. The new Postal Service officially began operations on July 1, 1971.
Why was an old, obsolete postmark round dater stamp used almost ten (10) years after the fact to validate a legal document . . . that just happened to be Barack Obama’s suspicious Selective Service registration form?
* Form Shows Barack Obama didn’t have ID
The SSS Form 1 states “NO ID”, labeled “F“. Since that’s the case, then how did the Hawaiian postal clerk know that the submitter was really Barack H. Obama, who may have been on summer break from attending Occidental College in California. How would they determine whether the registrant was truly registering and not a relative, friend, or other imposter?
* The Selective Service Data Mgt. Center Stonewalled for Almost a Year on Obama Registration, Until Right Before the Election.
The retired federal agent who FOIA’d Barack Obama’s Selective Service Registration Form notes:

Early this year, when I first started questioning whether Obama registered I was told:

Sir: There may be an error in his file or many other reasons why his registration cannot be confirmed on-line. However, I did confirm with our Data Management Center that he is, indeed, registered with the Selective Service System, in compliance with Federal law.
Sincerely,
Janice L. Hughes/SSS

Then, they suddenly found the record on September 9, 2008 (prior to my October 13, 2008 request), and stated that his record was filed on September 4, 1980. Did they temporarily change the date on the computer database?
On the previous FOIA response, they stated that it was filed on September 4, 1980. In my second request I mentioned that Obama could not have filed it in Hawaii on September 4, 1980 as he was attending Occidental College in California, the classes of which commenced August 24, 1980.

* Other Questions: Missing Selective Service Number, FOIA Response Dated Prior to FOIA Request, Missing Printout Page
Where is Obama’s Selective Service number (61-1125539-1) on the card?
And the retired federal agent notes that the Selective Service Data Management Center prepared its response to his FOIA request prior to the request having been made:

The last transaction date is 09/04/80 [DS: labeled “G“], but the date of the printout is 09/09/08 [DS: labeled “H“]. My FOIA was dated October 13 so why did they prepare the printout BEFORE I submitted my FOIA? I gave them no “heads up” that I was sending it. In fact it was not mailed until late October–around the 25th.
Also, notice the printout was page 1 of 2 [DS: labeled “I“].

Hmmm . . . where is the other page, and what’s on it?
A lot of questions here. And a lot of huge hints that this government-released, official Barack Obama Selective Service registration was faked. Either he signed the fake backdated document, or someone else faked his signature and he never registered for the draft (and lied about it).
Which is it?
It’s incredible that our impending Commander-in-Chief either didn’t register for the draft or did so belatedly and fraudulently.
The documents indicate it’s one or the other.
*** UPDATE: Here’s another irregularity that points to fraud, as spotted by reader Joyce:

My husband printed the information provided on your web site regarding Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration discrepancies. I noticed that the DLN number in upper right corner (labeled “A“) has only ten (10) digits with the first two being 08 , but the DLN number shown on the computer screen printout has eleven (11) digits with the first two being 80. It clearly indicates that the “8” was added at the beginning of the DLN number, in order to appear that it was issued in 1980 and wasn’t simply a reversal of the first two digits as the retired federal agent noted. This in itself appears questionable. I would think there is a standard number of digits in all DLN numbers.

**** UPDATE #2, 11/14/08: Retired Federal Agent Source Reveals Himself:

The recently retired federal agent has requested that I disclose his identity so that there is no question as to the source of the information.
His name is Stephen Coffman. He retired last year from the position of the Resident Agent in Charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Galveston, Texas office. He has over 32 years of government service and has held a Secret or higher security clearance for the majority of those years.
He filed the FOIA with Selective Service and has the original letter and the attachments. He first notified the Selective Service of his findings and they ignored the questions.
He can be reached via email at retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net.

UPDATE #3, 11/17/08: Some Obamapologists are claiming this is a fake and want to see evidence that retired agent Coffman actually got these documents from the Selective Service System Data Management Center. Below are scans of the letter and envelope that accompanied Barack Obama’s fraudulent registration for the draft (I’ve cropped the blank white space):

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SkyePuppy —
Interesting. Could the edited file then be stored on the mainframe? If not, what would it take to add or edit a record permanently?
It seems that this record existed back in August, when Almon sent that email, and it still existed when Stephen Coffman sent his FOIA request in October.
There seems to be some sort of disconnect between the image file and the RIMS screen — either that or both SSS employees realized there was a problem with the record and tried to avoid supplying the image.

JBean on November 14, 2008 at 2:20 pm

I still don’t understand whether Mr. Coffman received these documents via e-mail or snail mail. Does anybody know? It makes a difference.
btw, thanks for the info about how to edit on the screen.
I’d like to see more documentation on these images, such as the mailing envelope or, if received electronically, then some kind of signature that indicates where it came from.

MGB on November 14, 2008 at 2:34 pm

If you go to Wikipedia and verify the signature of Obama with the signature on the SS form you will see they are entirely different. Which signature is correct…can anybody explain.

MdDeeDa on November 14, 2008 at 3:00 pm

The site below records some fairly level headed reporting and discussion regarding this issue as it was first posted on pajama media in sept 08.
Several men (vets included) about the same age as Obama record their own experiences and memories of registering for Selective Service.
WE seem to be at a point where we should be comparing SSS#s and DLNs from about that time. Anyone know how to contact these men? I don’t.
Also this question looms. Where did Obama spend his summer after his freshman year at Occidental? Any proof he returned to Hawai’i? Or did he register by mail? (as brought up as possibility in the discussion below).
Apologies: I also don’t know for sure how to post a live link.
http://volokh.com/posts/1220855825.shtml

laser--*52609 on November 14, 2008 at 3:32 pm

MGB,
Regarding the signature and writing on the card: As a left-hander, I can tell you the person who filled out the form is a leftie (probably in more ways than one!). Notice how the letters slant to the left? This is a tell-tale sign. Regarding the unusual switching from regular spelling to all caps, I do this ALL THE TIME (see?). Left-handers are notorious for poor penmanship. I use all caps (especially when I’m writing for someone else) because it’s easier for the recipient to decipher.
The signature doesn’t bother me either, because I’m the same age as Obama and my signature is radically different than when I was 18. The “O” looks the same, most of the lower case letters are fairly similar. The one thing that leaps out is the 1st “B”. I think Obama got that “B” from his stepfather, Lolo, or whomever filled out his school info. in Indonesia.
I think the document is a forgery, but I think Obama’s handwriting is all over it.

paigenalex on November 14, 2008 at 3:34 pm

Laser,
My card has the same processing date as Obama- September 4th, 1980.
My Selective Service number (I’m going out on a limb here because I don’t think there’s any personal data in the number) is 61-1076250-4. I looked it up on the Selective Service website and do not have a physical card to examine.
Clearly the first 2 numbers indicate year of birth “61”. I think the middle numbers are sequential, as in 1,076,250. Obama’s SSN is 61-1125539-1. Again, 1st 2 numbers are year of birth. 2nd set probably means the 1,125,539th registrant. This is plausible.
Since this would be the beginning of re-registering for the draft, the data center would be handling very heavy volume. Our two numbers, processed on the same day (9-4-1980), would be 49,289 apart. That’s quite a few cards in one day. I’ve never worked in a data center such as Selective Service used/uses, so I really can’t speak to whether that type of one-day volume is do-able or not.
Fascinating to participate in this…whatever it is we’re doing.
P.S. Don’t tell Obama’s digital brown shirts!

paigenalex on November 14, 2008 at 4:01 pm

Laser,
One more thing. What does the last digit signify? Perhaps region? Mine (MN) is “4” and Obama’s is “1”. That would make sense if regions were counted West to East.

paigenalex on November 14, 2008 at 4:05 pm

This is just another missing bit of info on the alleged prez elect… Another thing I can’t find is a reason why Barry and Michell both lost their Law licenses in Illinois… Is it possible that they gave false info to the Ill. BAR (such as this and the bogus birth cert) and gave up their licenses to avoid scrutiny?

Hazardous_T on November 14, 2008 at 4:07 pm

I am a little disgusted with some of the posters. Even if obama is taken off the list as president, Biden would still be sworn in, and he can select a VP. Now that said. It makes no difference that McCain/Palin lost, in this case, what is at issue is being sought to be brought to resolution is this…if a person who is to take the office of President of the US can’t submit a simple birth certificate or a simple selective service form that is not forged, what in the devil can we expect him to do when it comes to something of natural security. WOULD YOU TRUST HIM, HECK NO.

MdDeeDa on November 14, 2008 at 4:20 pm

The Selective Service responded to my FOIA by US Postal Service. I still have the letter, envelope, and copies of the two documents.
I scanned the two attachments from the Selective Service letter (the form and screen printout) using an HP printer/scanner (I am not at home so I don’t have the model number).
I then attached the images to an email (via yahoo.com) and sent it to Debbie Schlussel’s email address.
Anyone can request these same documents from the Selective Service. Go to http://www.sss.gov and click on the FOIA length.
I am sure they will be happy to get your request! 😉 There is NO CHARGE for the FOIA.
Remember that the Postal stamp on the form is not a cancellation stamp but a Postal validator stamp (I believe it is item 570 of the Postal Operations Manual).
The Selective Service record retention period is until the registrant’s 85th birthday so a two digit year in the DLN is required otherwise there would be six or several duplicate numbers.
There is a difference between a Selective Service Registration Number and a Document Locator Number. I am sure my FOIA request is now marked with its own DLN.
I hope that answers the questions.
If you do submit a FOIA consider asking for DLN on both sides of the DLN for Senator Obama’s SSS Form 1. Don’t make it the one just before or just after bracket it by 100 or so each way. Then if they all are 1980 documents case closed. If they are all 2008 documents case is also closed, but with a different outcome.
I am not against anyone. I am just a retired fact finder and flaw detector. What you think or do with the information is up to each one of you.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.

StephenCoffman on November 14, 2008 at 4:39 pm

To Debbie Schlussel thank you for posting this information.
It is funny how people want to make the IRS manual the authority over how numbers are interpreted that are assigned by the OMB. Then again what do we expect from those who want larger goverment, to see if we can exhaust 3 letter alphabet combinations — challenge of a lifetime!
However it certainly does appear that, along with Mr. Obama seeming to have a problem producing a physician signed birth certificate, producing his “medical records” versus “a letter from his doctor,” and producing any of the information he’d been asked for by the media in regard to Rezko, that once again the Illinois Senator produces something impeachable as to it’s authenticity (Obama tends to do this where his charm and misdirective Alinsky style speaking method will not be accepted.)
As the great socialist lawyer President FDR before him, Barack identifies clearly that as long as the money powers are on Obama’s side (George Soros, and a host of others, together worth 500 billion dollars.) he can do no wrong.
Sadly Americans are so gullible that they’d believe Obama, who had Frank Davis as his teenage confidante in Angry Black Poetry, and to help Obama identity with himself as an African-American before 1980, would register for the draft.
Now in light of Obama studying Malcom X as well, a man who said:
“No, I’m not an American. I’m one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I’m not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag-waver — no, not I. I’m speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don’t see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.” (Emphasis mine. See http://www.historicaldocuments.com/Ball … lcolmX.htm, paragraph 9.)
Note Malcom X is part of Obama’s study of Angry Black Poetry as he has discussed in his autobiography. Thus the notion Obama would register for the draft, with the exception of political gain, is more than implausible.
Liberals want to believe this man who claimed change while referring to his grandmother as “a typical white person,” is not going to let them down. This is a man who lied about Auschwitz in his big deal 2002 speech against the war (referring to U.S. Soldiers as freeing Auschwitz), and again in 2007 after being informed of the error 5 years earlier (This time it was Obama’s Uncle who was in the lead brigade of U.S. Soldiers freeing Auschwitz and Treblinka.), and yet they believe him. A man whose minister asked Hannity “What do you know about Black Liberation Theology?” which, once you study, you find clear succinct explanation for the Che Guevara illustrations in Obama Campaign offices across America.
So no surprises here that he falsified another document, or misdirected people from knowing the truth about anything pertaining to Obama that would lead a reasonable person to conclude he is not trustworthy.
Obama’s whole campaign was in reliance on our inability to be trusted with the truth, and instead, gullible to anyone who caters to our self interest — $500 to $1,000 is cheap cost to buy votes, especially while fueling hatred for the wealthy, and, achieving endless opportunity to claim capitalism has failed.
It’s not difficult to see what more will come from a man who, during his entire political career never once reported corruption in Chicago Politics, the capital of political corruption that is now moving to Washington DC thanks to the well uninformed, blinded by their self interest and hatred for anything conservative or those with wealth.

nokneejerking on November 14, 2008 at 4:51 pm

I just checked my SS record and mine is 10 digits with a starting set of 74. I registered in 1992, but I was BORN in 74. If the first two digits reflect my year of birth, then at or around 1990, it was changed to show the year of birth and his should have been 61, not 80.
-UndergroundRev
“Seek out our farmer general, for he will lead us to victory!”

UndergroundRev on November 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Thank you Debbie and Stephen!
Stephen, could you please explain the difference between a cancellation stamp and a Postal validator stamp? Or perhaps the former postal worker that posted earlier today could weigh in on this. I am just wondering what they are supposed to look like.
Thanks!

Ladyhawke112 on November 14, 2008 at 5:35 pm

You know what.. scratch my last comment. Low blood sugar + tin hat = bad post.

UndergroundRev on November 14, 2008 at 5:40 pm

It’s fun to watch the extreme right grasp at this straw the same way the extreme left grasped at George Bush’s AWOL National Guard experience.
It’s great to be in the middle.
None of this stuff matters in the middle… just do a good job is all we ask of a political leader.

James Scearce on November 14, 2008 at 5:55 pm

“It’s fun to watch the extreme right grasp at this straw the same way the extreme left grasped at George Bush’s AWOL National Guard experience.
It’s great to be in the middle.
None of this stuff matters in the middle… just do a good job is all we ask of a political leader.
Posted by: James Scearce [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 14, 2008 05:55 PM”
Oh, yeah, it’s teh fun to be brain dead, dude!
Let us know how it’s working out for you, oh, about 2010 — unless, of course, you’re a goobermint/academia worker, because then it’s all good, with O!
And, by the way, Rather lost his job with the TANG forgeries. But that was back in the dusty, pre-dawn past where the media could be at least goosed by facts to tell the truth. Now, not so much.

JBean on November 14, 2008 at 6:38 pm

Mr. Scearce,
Who appointed you to be the spokesman for the “middle” and when did this so-called “middle” inform you that “doing a good job” is all that they ask of their political leader?
One other question: hypothetically speaking, if your political were to deceive the American people regarding various and sundry issues — both personal and public — would that influence your assessment of whether he’s doing a “good job”?

CTN on November 14, 2008 at 6:42 pm

On mail, a cancellation (or cancel for short) is a postal marking applied to a postage stamp or postal stationery indicating that the item has been used. They are to be distinguished from overprints, and, in the case of the British “Occasions – Multiple Choice” stamps, from the ticking of boxes on the stamps with a pen for which the stamps call.[1] Modern cancellations are often applied simultaneously with a postmark, for efficiency, and commonly the terms “cancellation” and “postmark” are used interchangeably, if incorrectly. (The confusion arises because of the practice of some postal administrations of applying the postmark directly on the stamp, at the cost of legibility.)”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancellation_(mail)
A round stamp, also called a validator is a hands operated “rubber stamp” that is used to validate a document such a receipt. A cancellation mark could be as simple as a handwritten “X” to mark the stamp so that it can not be reused.

StephenCoffman on November 14, 2008 at 8:26 pm

The Selective Service number on the printout ends with a 1 which means region 1 Chicago IL
If he registered with his address in HI it should read 3 which is region 3 Denver CO
There are 3 regions
1 Chicago IL
2 Atlanta GA
3 Denver CO
This just does not match the Selective Service System
Things that make you go mmm!

Holly on November 14, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Holly,
My Selective Service number was 61-1076250-4.
I was processed the same day as Obama (9-4-1980). I lived in northern Minnesota at the time. I probably would have been assigned to the Chicago region. My last digit is a “4”
Clearly there were other regions back then.

paigenalex on November 14, 2008 at 10:27 pm

For those of you who’s Selective Service registration was processed the same day, why dont you do a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to get a copy of your SSS Form 1 (it is free and info is on the http://www.sss.gov website). Then we can compare it with Obama’s.

StephenCoffman on November 14, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Stephen, Thank you for your explanation. Now we need someone to way in on the security of cancel stamps. In the current example, I am curious of the lack of the “19” on the stamp.

Ladyhawke112 on November 14, 2008 at 11:15 pm

look at the Jul 29 80 stamp. the font is different from the 29 and the 80. notice the 80 is chopped off at the top. or is it the bottom of the 08 turned upside down with the 20 cut off? look at it as 2008 upside down minus the 20. what do y’all see?

msthunderhead on November 15, 2008 at 12:46 am

In looking at the SSS.gove site, at the bottom of the records page, it does say that if you want to obtain a copy of the card, and you were born after 1959, then you write to an address in Palatine, IL. You still ahve to provide written proof that the person himself is requesting it or provide a death cert.
And, I don’t kow that there is any rhyme or reason to that last digit. My husband’s last digit is 3. He grew up in FL. The only other reason it would be a 3 is that he turned 18 while in college in NM.
If it is done regionally, that makes sense. So in effect, Obama’s should have a 3.

defendusa on November 15, 2008 at 9:55 am

Note the postmark, Jul 29 80. The 80 is displaced about one space to the right–as if it was originally 08, but someone changed it to 80.
What is a postmark supposed to look like? The only ones I have handy display the entire year (2005, 2008).

Winged Hussar 1683 on November 15, 2008 at 12:41 pm

I havn’t read this whole comment section, so maybe this has already been addressed.
Exactly what name was The Messiah going by at the time of his reported SS registration?
I was under the impression that he went by many many names at different times in his life.

Flossie on November 15, 2008 at 1:09 pm

For those questioning the Poastmark. I am a USPS clerk who has worked the “window” where customers do there business with the USPS.
The in the round daters that we use have complete year, example if the round dater was ordered in 2007, you would have complete rubber pieces for 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012.
Since i have only been an employee since the late 90’s i cannot inform you on the USPO round daters, but i would imagine that the year would have been one whole piece as well. I say that because as mentioned earlier, it would explain why the year is not centered under the day. Why the full year is not there is a good question.
The 8 in the year does hold dcharacteristics of it being 80 not 08. The eights used on our round daters have a narrower top loop than the bottom loop.
As far as a cancellation stamp, it is different than a round dater. Stamp cancellation ususally consists of some type of text with wavy lines after it that actually roll over a stamp. Any markings or ink on a stamp cancels it, either before or after you use it. The round dater is an official stamp to record a date and validate any thing requiring a date. It can be used to cancel a stamp since is is ink based.
Even though i feel that this document raises a lot of questions, I do not feel that it is fake. I think that Obama just has the bad luck of questionable circumstances.
However I do feel that the questions reguarding his citizenship need to be answered.

tjwill62 on November 15, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Debbie, I have just rewiewed your Breitbart.com interview and while I found it to be very informational, the production value was less than desirable, and I could see that being a little off-putting to those we would want to hang around long enough to absorb this information.
Any chance of doing a PowerPoint Presentation, (or whatever medium is easier for you), and posting it on every video messaging site around the world?
While I appreciate all of your efforts in this very iportant issue, if the issue is not presented to the American People in a More Professional manner, I am afraid that the Issue will be ignored due to Audio Quality, Inaccurate and Disjointed manner in which the Interview was assembled.
Please use a Script and a better audio device next time to present the facts that you are trying to influence the American Public with. The More Amatuerish the Presentation, the More Amatuerish your research becomes especially in the Eyes of the People we so desperately need to reach with this information. Young Americans that just may be Drafted in an Obama Adinistration!
Refardless if you accept my Constructive Criticism or not, please keep up all your hard work! This is a Very Important Issue!!!

SirJaxx on November 15, 2008 at 2:39 pm

You only have to register if you are a citizen. I don’t believe Obama is a citizen, and just because his wife claims they paid student loans off with his book money doesn’t mean it was HIS loans… they could have been hers.

Allie on November 15, 2008 at 4:12 pm

JUL 29 80 stamp question to those who may know. on a stamp from 1980, does the digits indicating the day (29) differ in size and style font from the digits that indicate the year (80)? also would the stamp have a defect to the point of omitting the 19 and chop off the top of the 80? all 8’s i’ve ever seen (other than hand written) the top and bottom loop are either equal in size or the bottom loop will be larger than the top loop. my belief is that the ..80 is not part of the stamp date. the size and style of the digits don’t match from ’29’ and ’80’. if you tilt your head to the right and look at the 80, fill in the missing ink with your minds eye, you may envision the top loop as being LARGER than the bottom. making it upside down. now add to your minds eye a 02 following the 0 in 80. like look at this upside down….8002…(mirror the 2). or better yet, look at your comp.screen upside down and look at this 2008 SEE that put the larger loop at the top. is that why the (top)loop is cut off as to not notice the oddity of a lg.top loop on a sm bottom loop. sorry having a hard time explaining. wish i could just point with my finger and say see!

msthunderhead on November 15, 2008 at 6:25 pm

Allie,
Your comment stating that you only have to register if you are a citizen is not correct.
See: http://www.military.com/Resources/ResourceFileView?file=Selective_Service_Who.htm
Almost all male U.S. citizens, and male aliens living in the U.S., between the ages of 18 and 25, are required to register with Selective Service. It’s important to know that even if you register, you will not automatically be inducted into the military. In a crisis requiring a draft, men would be inducted in sequence determined by random lottery number and year of birth. They would then be examined for mental, physical and moral fitness by the military before being deferred or exempted from military service or inducted into the Armed Forces.
If you are eligible to register with Selective Service and fail to do so on time, you may receive a fine of up to $250,000 and/or five years in jail. Registering with Selective Service is Federal law. It is also required to stay eligible for many Federal and state benefits.
All young men living in the U.S., with very few exceptions, are required to register within 30 days of turning 18.
Noncitizens and Dual Nationals
Noncitizens who are not required to register with Selective Service include men who are in the U.S. on student or visitor visas, and men who are part of a diplomatic or trade mission and their families. Almost all other male noncitizens are required to register, including illegal aliens, legal permanent residents, and refugees. Dual nationals of the U.S. and another country are required to register, regardless of where they live, because they are U.S. nationals.
The general rule is that if a male noncitizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service. For further details on alien and dual national registration, see this list of exemptions. For a more detailed list of which noncitizens must register, see this chart.
Hospitalized or Incarcerated Men
Young men in hospitals, mental institutions or prisons do not have to register while they are committed. However, they must register within 30 days after being released if they have not yet reached their 26th birthday.
Disabled Men
Disabled men who live at home must register with Selective Service if they can reasonably leave their homes and move about independently. A friend or relative may help a disabled man fill out the registration form if he can’t do it himself.
Men with disabilities that would disqualify them from military service still must register with Selective Service. Selective Service does not presently have authority to classify men, so even men with obvious handicaps must register now, and if needed, classifications would be determined later.
Full-Time Military Exempted From Requirement
Young men serving in the military on full-time active duty do not have to register. Those attending the service academies do not have to register. If a young man leaves the military before turning 26, he must register.
National Guard and Reserves
Members of the Reserve and National Guard not on full-time active duty must register.
Conscientious Objectors
If you want to be classified as a Conscientious Objector if you are drafted, you must also register with Selective Service. If a draft begins and you are called, you will have the opportunity to file a claim for exemption from military service based upon religious or moral objection to war.
Women and Registration
Women are not required to register, as the Selective Service Law as it is currently written refers specifically to “male persons” in stating who must register and who would be drafted. For women to be required to register with Selective Service, Congress would have to amend the law. The DoD recognizes that policies regarding women need to be reviewed periodically because the role of women in the military continues to expand. The Selective Service System, if given the mission and additional funding, is capable of registering and drafting women with its existing infrastructure.

ldtaylor on November 15, 2008 at 7:05 pm

How can this be happening????!!! Obama will destroy everything that this country has built – including the very system that paved the way for him to have the freedom and government assistance that ensured his bright future. Why??? Why are people so stupid? Is it collective guilt from white baby boomers and gen-Xers? An angry black man with a Muslim sensibility who will have his white-palmed brown finger on the nuke button? Oh my fucking G-d. Pray for us, pray for Israel. We’re fucked.

ObamaSlammaJamma on November 15, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Dear Debbie, I was looking at the document that was shown and noticed all the things you pointed out. One thing I also noticed and was not mentioned:
#4 Trouble making an O? Prints an O above after making smaller o first. Person not use to signing a name with capital O
#5 Apt # 1008, actually it’s more like 1oo8 Once again smaller o
#6 The word “ABovE” o smaller, most other letters in “above” are capitalized
#7 8o8
area code….same smaller o compared to other numbers in phone number
#9 July 30,l980
Today’s date…… I believe this originally was July 30, o8 and then was altered with a 1 placed too close in front of the o and then a 1 placed under the o, kind of attached to the bottom of the o since the o was elevated. Look at 19, doesn’t even come close to being true. Actually it looks like two l’s holding up an o between them. Forger was trying to maintain the similar space between July 30, and 08. Then they added an 0 to complete a phony 1980!
Look thur all the zeros and o in this document. This was not the work of NObama. He would have no problem writing an O to his name. Not many of us have a name that starts with a capital O so who ever did this job had trouble signing the name. Friends of NObama most likely were tasked with this job. What the hell, what’s a faked document between comrades!
Thank you for the work you are doing
shilor

shilor on November 15, 2008 at 7:41 pm

The Supreme Court is our only hope! The Executive branch has been demonized for 8 years: any response there would be called partisan, the Legislative branch is already in the tank. Pro-Obama defenders seem to be everywhere. For them, the end justifies the means. This is a win-win situation for them because “crisis” suits them just fine. A smart lawyer is needed who can move this quickly through the courts and get it to the Supreme Court before December 15th, or by any means prior to January 20th. (Visualize trying to sink a toy boat. Just keep loading pebbles on it in hopes of sinking it.) After reading Diamond Tiger’s 3-part series on Obama’s Socialism: Decades In The Making, it’s obvious we have a huge job, a short time, and must keep on keeping on.

timothy222222 on November 15, 2008 at 8:36 pm

I just checked the selective service records for my two sons born in 62 and 63. Both of their 10 digit numbers start with the year of their births, not the years they registered. Both registrations were processed through the Great Lakes, IL office. Why would Obama’s supposed number start with 08 or 80???

sowsear on November 15, 2008 at 10:28 pm

Yes, I reread his supposed forms and see that his selective service number starts with 61. I was wrong. However, the numbers on the bottom of my sons’ forms are:
(born in 1962) SSS Form 3B (Mar 61)
(born in 1963) OMB#32400003
SSS Form 3V (Dec 81)
I don’t see anything that looks like a DLN number or wouldn’t that be on their forms?

sowsear on November 15, 2008 at 10:51 pm

My sons lived in NY and the older’s last number is 4 and younger is 9. Both seem to have been processed at Great Lakes, IL

sowsear on November 15, 2008 at 11:18 pm

If the DLN is sequentially incremented, then one could look at the microfilmed records before and after this particular document to see if it falls within the date boundaries of these bracketing records. Though a few records immediately before and after it can get mysteriously “lost”, one can still search thousands of records forward or back to see if it falls within their date ranges.
It’s now not a matter of just destroying a few records to cover their trail; they’d have to burn the building down.

Kamper K on November 16, 2008 at 12:36 am

I don’t know if it means anything, but my draft card from 1973 has a nine-digit SSS number of the form: NN NNN NN NN. None of the digits are the year.

robertdog on November 16, 2008 at 4:50 am

sowsear: Obama’s SSSN is shown as 61-1125539-1. Note the middle sequence 1125539. If you could what are the first few digits of your sons’ SSSNs?

bvw on November 16, 2008 at 11:06 am

robertdog: your sssn is the old format.
Back in the sixties and earlier it used to be as follows:XX-YYY-ZZ-NN..N
XX Ôø? code for state (or district/territory) issued
YYY Ôø? local board number
ZZ Ôø? year of birth
NN..N — the registration number, the chronological sequence number that the registration was accepted at the local board

bvw on November 16, 2008 at 11:10 am

To jump into the fray, I looked up my husband, brother and my sons numbers. All begin with their birthdates. My husbands registration date was July 30, and my brother was July 29.
Regarding the last numbers of the SSS, and what they mean IF they are tied to districts. I cannot answer that, since I do not work for SSA – but my husbands ends in 9, whereas my sons end in 3 and 4. My brother ends in 8. All 4 registered in the same state. Only one was born on the west coast.
So going by what I see on my brothers and husbands (being in the same time frame as BHO – within 2-3 days of his ‘filing’) – BHO’s SSS number is correct on one aspect, beginning in 61. Until I get the actual physical proof for my husbands, I do not know what the other number means, or will show. My sons signed up online. And I asked my brother to request his.

TC on November 16, 2008 at 2:01 pm

For those who think that 28 yrs is a long time to have the same phone number, it really isn’t. My mother has had the same phone number for at least 52 yrs, within my memory, and I think it’s actually 56 or 57 yrs at least. My grandmother had the same number for 38 yrs at least. I had the same number for 26 yrs in Calif., before I moved to Maine, and my ex still has the same number, 8 yrs later. If a person does not move outside the area covered by the telephone prefix, he/she has the option of keeping the same number.
I did not support Obama — I did not trust him from the beginning and I trust him less now. If he has nothing to hide, why not release the documents in question, like birth certificate, school records, etc.? And how could he have confused the year he registered? If a young man did not have to register when he turned 18, but did have to the following year, isn’t that rather memorable? But if Obama did not register for the draft, it would be very easy to confuse the year: a young man has to register at 18, so “of course” he registered in 1979; he wouldn’t remember that registration was not required in 1979 because he never registered anyway!

CalifGirlInMaine on November 16, 2008 at 6:38 pm

FWIW: the last digit in these type of numbers is something called a “checksum” and is used to verify that the whole number is accurate.
OT: anybody remember seeing a “databus serial form checksum error” back in the day of DOS? That’s what this was referring to. (Maybe that’s not so off topic.)
I used to write these type of systems, btw, and the checksum was calculated from the digits preceding it and, no, the whole numbers were not necessarily consecutive otherwise the checksums wouldn’t work! Further, the arithmetic used to verify the checksum is not the same from one system to the next. Depended on the programmer.

Chris in Toronto on November 16, 2008 at 6:49 pm

oops. that should have been “data frame” not “data form”
c

Chris in Toronto on November 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Debbie, could you this report, or a link to it, at the top of your blog for a while?
When I saved the Registration Form as a picture and looked at it in MS Publisher at 800% magnification, your item B definitely looked like “Feb 90” to me.
I wonder if Daniel Amon mailed out these FOIA materials.

timothy222222 on November 16, 2008 at 8:36 pm

The Selective Service Registration fraud probably won’t go anywhere.
The Selective Service System says they don’t enforce the Selective Service Registration requirements, so I guess a man who fails to register won’t have to worry much about, if prosecuted and convicted, facing a fine of up to $250,000 and/or a prison term of up to five years. The Selective Service System leaves it up to the affected agencies to enforce the law.
Since we have become so “politically correct” that no one checks to see if a candidate with enough money to become Commander-In-Chief of the world’s most powerful military is a United States citizen, why would we check to see if he ever registered for the Selective Service?
Only if enough potential voters shout loudly enough will we have a future.

timothy222222 on November 16, 2008 at 8:57 pm

The middle seven digits would appear to be sequential, resetting to zero each year. I registered in early March, 1981, and my SSSN begins with 63, the year of my birth. The middle seven digits are 0063XXX. The final number is 3. I registered in Wisconsin. Having the middle number be sequential and reset annually would accomodate ten million registrants a year, assuming the final number is not used in sequencing.
Looking forward to further investigation of this issue. Even if it changes nothing, the truth ought to be known!

ubercheesehead on November 16, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Debbie:
Thank you so much for bringing this out in the open!
It would appear quite plausible that fraud has been committed. I call upon my president-elect to either clear his name and to prosecute those who have perpetrated the forgery OR if he is guilty then to promptly resign his elected post as Nixon did.
Americans deserve better than to be beseiged by government corruption that has historically permeated Chicago politics.

nacilbupera on November 16, 2008 at 10:54 pm

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