July 29, 2011, - 3:03 pm

Karma #2: Norway Utoya Camp Was Also FATAH PLO Terrorist Camp

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Jon, I agree with you but I don’t think killing kids is justified even if they are as bad as you say.

I don’t want to be like Breivik and certainly not like Fatah’s psychopaths in residence.

NormanF on July 29, 2011 at 6:17 pm

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Norm:

Most of these people were 16 years old. They were not little tykes.

Speaking of which, when my uncle, a paratrooper during WWII, was in a hospital in Austria during the war, the Hitler Youth came in and shot everyone in the hospital. My uncle was the only survivor.

Hence, I would not worry about the kinder. (German for children, to those who don’t know).

Jonathan Grant on July 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm

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That’s right Sean. I heard those Savage shows and it was the rare time he was barking up the wrong tree. It didn’t sit well with me because I could tell he was trying to be provocative. I’m not sure why. You know he is moody. Perhaps he felt as if he wanted to test his audience to see if they mostly agree with him. Most didn’t, if I recall.

We also know Savage doesn’t like Beck. That’s ok, there are many things to be weary of Beck about BUT he seems to always disagree with “the blackboard”. When I heard him having a go at Beck I was not privy to the Hilter Youth bent, but once I read it here, it made sense that Beck was having a GOOD un-PC moment. Savage should have known better. (And Savage has been known to side with people he HATES when they are right or the Left is trying to take them down. I do like that about MS. Especially when the same people NEVER have his back.)

And DS is far from a Beck fan, but she is always able to admit when someone is right….even when they are usually wrong. That is Beck (from what I read here) now. He’s having one of those great un-PC moments. And if I were to praise “blackboard”…I would say when he did have his PAWNN show, he was able to successful map out the dangerous progressive matrix and the George Soros angle. He even put Islam in there (to a point).

But as we know, it is a rare soul who will admit the severe and complete threat Islam is. We know Beck equivocates and Savage does too. He takes great pains to differentiate the “moderate” Mooooooslims. It makes me cringe when he does that. I have learned better here.

And there is NO ONE, no one who understands the Islam threat better than DS. People would be better off if they could just accept and admit that. That’s half the battle.

Skunky on July 29, 2011 at 3:50 pm

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Skunky, the AUF is yes a far left group, but their primarly a communist group that started in 1927 in Norway. But since the AUF has some ties to “fatah” (that terrorist grouped merged into another muslim terrorist group a few years ago in the elections in the middle east) and yes hold anti-semitism, there a tad similar to the Hitler Youth, only difference is is that the AUF are not building concentration camps/death camps and demanding a holocaust against jewish people. Also sine the AUF is a far-left communist group, there also kinda like the “Young Pioneers” of the ex-Soviet Union.

The Young Pioneers was also a far-left communist group in Russia under Joseph Stalin that recruited young Russian people to bid and shill for the Russian government in its hey-days. The Young Pioneers indoctrinated the young people in the ex-Soviet Union by eavesdropping on their elders and report them to the state if they had dissenting opinions about the government. As I said, the AUF is a little different than the Young Pioneers that lasted in Russia for 70 years!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 4:02 pm

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you bring up some excellent points, skunkster. i listen to savage, beck, rush, levin, hannity and even some of the leftist shows (when i’m in the mood) like al sharpton’s ‘keepin’ it real’ program out of atlanta. i like to hear what the other side is really thinking. on top of all this are all of the daily blogs — and schlussel is my primary baseline for reality — i read.

my point: i don’t adopt every utterance from my favorite sources as unquestioned beliefs. i don’t subscribe to everything they say. if anything, THEY are sounding boards for MY beliefs, not the other way around.

lastly, i am not an ass-kisser but i really have to say that debbie has an iron-clad intellect and her common sense is nearly fool proof. couple that with her unwavering beliefs and i gotta tell you, the ONLY time i disagree with her is her movie reviews… they stink.

howardroark on July 29, 2011 at 4:20 pm

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Wow, Howard. You have a high tolerance to listen to Al Sharpton, LOL! I only hear snippets of his show on the radio-equalizer blog (which showcases his absurdity quite often). I hafta admit, I just can’t do it and spend my “high-blood pressure bucks” that way. I have to ration what type of crapola I can take. And I subscribe to Rush’s wisdom of knowing the Left, so why do I have to listen to them?

I won’t ever listen to that charlatan Hannity ever again thou’. DS exposed what a creep he was and his take on the Casey Anthony “not guilty” verdict really exposed him as a brainless git. I hope he lost half of his audience over that one!

And you know, the truth is the truth here. This site is so unique and there is hardly anyone one talking as plain as DS that there is no shame in admitting that she knows her stuff better than most. And I am glad I discovered her years back on Howard Stern.

I like her movie reviews because she has led me to some great films I have NEVER would have seen as I mostly avoid Yank films. The ones she gave great reviews to (that I have seen) have been sooooo good. “Taken”. “Harry Brown” (I didn’t know it was a Brit film…I prolly would have seen it sooner if I had known it was NOT American). “Inglourious Basterds”. Those are all 4 to 5 star films. And she was absolutely correct about “Horrible Bosses”. Thank goodness I saw it for free. That movie sucked! 😛

Skunky on July 29, 2011 at 4:52 pm

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If Debbie’s movie reviews consistently suck (to you), Howard, then they are Gold. The trick is to find a movie critic who’s reviews are predictable, and use them. For example, I know Ebert’s views of Michael Bay’s movies and movies like “Up” will closely correlate with mine. I know his views of movies like Team America and anything that supports Israel or America will be opposite, so those reviews are also useful.

I know if Debbie tells me a kids’ movie is good, then that’s bankable. If there is a specific concern I have with a kids’ movie for a 7 or 8 year old as opposed to a teenager, I can write her and she will respond.

On foreign policy issues, if we disagree, then I’m usually wrong and need to rethink.

To James Di Fiore

By the way, the attack on this camp was nationalistically motivated, not religiously so. And it was a dumb attack. But the people who were killed were, for the most part, Eurolefties who supported Palestinian terrorism. I’m sorry for their parents, but honestly, I care more about how it will effect the anti-jihadist movement because the people murdered would have cheerfully seen my kids murdered. If that sounds harsh, well, my kids matter more to me than their kids.

Debbie has a very cold, clinical, Wolverine-ish way of putting things sometimes, which I deeply admire. To put it less coldly—These people were getting together to celebrate in a summer camp that was deeply in support of Middle East terrorist groups. They were advocating death to Jewish babies by advocating the destruction of the terror fence, among other things. They were Nazi assholes. The shooting of them was wrong, but they were hardly innocent advocates of Liberty shot down by a Totalitarian asshole.

Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:03 pm

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Strider is wrong on one point…from all reports, the mass murderer WAS NOT insane…a traitor and enemy of the Norwegian people, perhaps.

If being a mass murderer qualifies a person as insane, all the Germans, Italians, Poles, etc. that were executed after WWII for being involved in the Holocaust would have been committed to an insane asylum, instead. Words have meaning.

Dr Dale on July 29, 2011 at 7:39 pm

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“Tear down the walls” is NOT FIGURATIVE. It specifically refers to the anti-terrorism fence, which these scum wish ripped down so that more Jewsih babies can be murdered.

Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:05 pm

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With respect, if they supported HAMAS, they were pro-terrorist. Even so, I wouldn’t want them killed now, and regret that they were butchered because in 30 years they will be Islamic slaves, and that would have been more fun to watch, especially if we set up the Quad 50s along our borders and meatchopped the Norwegians who tried to seek sanctuary.

Occam's Tool on July 29, 2011 at 5:22 pm

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With respect, these were not pro-terrorists, but the complete opposite.

Strider on July 29, 2011 at 3:38 pm

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Dear Strider: If they weren’t pro-terrorist, why did they support the Gaza Flotilla?

Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 5:28 am

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I agree with you wolf2012.

We have been told. We have been warned. The rise of Nazi Germany was fully documented in films, photos, immense volume of documentation and first hand reports from people who survived its horrors. This was not a mythic tale full of over-the-top rhetoric told by imaginative story tellers. There is so much indisputable, highly detailed proof for what happened in Nazi Germany. From beginning to end. Although, I believe what we are seeing now, is that it didn’t really end.

It is rising again from the ashes. Aided by dimwit liberals who arrogantly prance around with their childish signs and slogans of peace on behalf of an ilk of people who don’t want peace at all. How incredibly stupid is that? They send their impressionable youngsters off to hobnob at delightful summer camps with the youngsters of the most unabashed and dangerous liars the world has ever known. Are these Norwegian parents really that gullible? They can’t be. These are not compulsory indoctrination camps (yet). What does this say for the souls of those parents who willingly send their kids off to be immersed in this atmosphere of hate?

To all those who have commented here at Debbie’s site trying to defend the purpose of this camp as something other than hate indoctrination that is squarely directed at Israel and the Jewish people: Cry Me a River.

There are no longer any reputable excuses for Norwegians of any political stripe to continue aiding and abetting these abominable indoctrination camps. There is no hiding ones head in the sand now. Who dares continue coming to Debbie’s site to defend what these camps were really all about? Unless you want to openly and brazenly admit to all of us that you are a brazen, anti-semitic hater of Israel and the Jewish people. Think real hard on this. Are you really that proud of your hatred?

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 5:17 pm

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Who dares continue coming to Debbie’s site to defend what these camps were really all about? Unless you want to openly and brazenly admit to all of us that you are a brazen, anti-semitic hater of Israel and the Jewish people. Think real hard on this. Are you really that proud of your hatred?

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The answer is a simple yes. Yes, I am anti-semitic. Yes, I hate Israel. And yes, I hate the Jewish people.
I am not PROUD of my hatred – it’s silly to be proud of something that comes so naturally. I am born and raised this way. My grandfather was in the SS for God’s sake.
The truth is this: Israel will soon be nothing more then an illusion, a dream, a fairy tale, once again. Then there will never be a Jewish state ever again.

Motives on July 30, 2011 at 3:41 pm

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Well, Motives, at least you recognize that you are the spawn of a scum sucking dirtbag who deserved vivisection.

Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:13 pm

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Your words, not mine… All I know is the “Chosen People” will soon be gone. 😛

Motives on July 31, 2011 at 5:21 am

Justwondering:

Here is why, and being Jewish, I will answer your question with a question (or more).

Why is Israel the only country in the world whose mere existence is questioned?

Why is Israel’s human rights record questioned when China, Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria,Sudan, Zimbabwe, etc. are exponentially off the charts for bad behavior?

Why is Israel singled out for a boycott?

Why is there an insistence to make Jerusalem the capital of another Arab country, but no one in the world will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

Why is Israel singled out for boycotts?

Why can missiles be shot at Israel, and its citizens constantly murdered, yet Israel is condemned at the UN everytime it fights back?

Why is Israel virtually always (90% of the time) singled out at the UN?

Why do so many of Israel’s critics accuse Jews of inventing the “Holocaust myth?”

Why doen’t anyone talk about the over 1,000,000 Jewish refugees that were kicked out of Arab countries?

Why do the Arabs yell “Kill the Jews?”

Why is Israel falsely accused of killing Arab babies for body parts? This is the same canard that was used through the past two millenium to rape and murder millions of Jews (Jews killing Christians for matzo–have you ever seen a read matzo)

Do I need to go on?

Jonathan Grant on July 29, 2011 at 5:20 pm

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Jonathan, you offer many salient questions to which the answers should be so obvious. Yet all my life I have been made aware of negative attitudes and opinions about the Jewish people and Israel that seem to defy the laws of common sense and common decency. An irrational hater of the Jewish people will not answer your questions. In fact I dare say they will hardly consider them. I don’t fully understand why. It seems to me that once a person has gotten so enmeshed and entrenched in such fallacious hatred, they usually can’t seem to find their way out of it. The knee jerk reaction for these haters is to get even more rabid in defense of their hatred. You can sometimes see that they understand what they are saying sounds ludicrous. The persistence sadly remains in far too many people.

Still. I too remain persistent in expressing my utter disdain and contempt towards anyone I encounter who even so much as hints to me any hateful, lying rhetoric about the Jewish people and/or Israel. I have done my homework. I will not be duped by anyone who obfuscates the truth of Judaism or the historical facts of the Hebrew people and how they have gone about their lives where ever they have hung their hats in the world. I am thankful for the Jewish people. I am forever grateful that they are still here, blessing humanity with their extraordinary talents and gifts.

Almost every person alive on earth today has benefitted from the amazing array of innovations by way of very smart and talented Jewish persons. The vehement haters included.

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 6:11 pm

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Jonathan and Kairn—thank you for existing. G-d Bless. By the way, there are only 1500 Jews in Norway. I suspect there will be some antisemitic violence, although the shooter was not Jewsih.

Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:15 pm

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To: Occam’s Tool, Thank you for standing up for Israel
and for the Jewish people. As a Jewish religious woman, I say
of course murder is terrible, but when the victims (in Norway) are associated with Fatah, who murdered the Fogel’s and 3 of their children, then I thank G-d. Let the non- Jews have some fear.
There is a G-d of Israel. We cannot bring the Fogel’s back,
but we can see the hand of G-d in the murder of the enemies of the Jewish people. Sincerely, Dinah (New York).

Dinah on July 30, 2011 at 11:39 pm



You don’t need to. I do “get it.” I make the point that responsible criticism Israel is one thing and mindless criticism of Israel is used to justify all the evils in the world inflicted upon the Jewish State. I think all that will change once Israel become an energy superpower.

NormanF on July 29, 2011 at 6:21 pm

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” 1.000.000 ” jews kicked out of arab countries ?

wait a minute , i thought israel was the country of all jews , so how is this a bad thing ? if anything , arab countries saved israel lot of money by shipping all those jews to ” their ” country , and helped the ashkenazim get cheap labour during the early days of israel

israel should send arabs some money for this favour

waldemar on July 29, 2011 at 8:35 pm

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Jonathon, the fact of the matter is, is that Israel was formed on stolen land. People were thrown out of their home, and even your founder admits to stealing the land, ben gurion said, “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” and you call them terrorists…please tell me why, because they wont let u live in peace in your stolen land…Israel is at war with Hamas, PA, Hezbollah, just because you are at war with someone it does not mean they are terrorists. Why is it OK for you to vacate a whole neighborhood that Arabs were living in and destroy it then rebuild settlements for Israelis? Why is it OK when the IDF is searching for someone they demolish a neighborhood looking for person. You say that land belongs to Jews, but the Muslims can make the same claim according to the Koran and Im sure the Christians can too…so why is Israel throwing people out? Furthermore, only two countries in the whole world consider Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists and thats Israel and USA. Both those countries have a motto if your against us you’re a terrorist.

DS just because you say you condemn something doesn’t mean you mean it….i like the way u guys work…lol. They deserve to die, they are anti-Semite, karma…..etc. and in the end i condemn it. That’s the same as me saying everything that happened on 9/11 they had coming to them but i condemn it….makes no sense and i would be labeled a terrorist sympathizer if not a terrorist.

and another thing why is Hezbollah consider terrorists, “all acts of terrorism” were committed on Lebanese soil during a time of war, never against civilians. and the marine barracks bombing was not Hezbollah for they were not formed yet so how can u label them Hezbollah? to terrorize someone is to do things for no reason, but Hezbollah was protecting Lebanese land while Israel was occupying theirs. makes no sense why they are called terrorists?????? Why cant you guys admit, that you are at war with these groups, you are the oppressors, so how can u label them the terrorists, it makes no sense to me LOLOLOL. for example, Im being oppressed, my home is being occupied and every time i want to walk in my house i have to go through a checkpoint, so one day i decide to fight for whats mine, and they call me the terrorist….Israel is the Biggest Terrorist organization on land, the definition of terrorism is Israel, they are oppressing the people….Bottom Line. remeber the oppressed can never be the terrorists…
which leaves me with this quote

“Never in history has violence been initiated by the oppressed. How could they be the initiators, if they themselves are the result of violence? How could they be the sponsors of something whose objective inauguration called forth their existence as oppressed? There would be no oppressed had there been no prior situation of violence to establish their subjugation. Violence is initiated by those who oppress, who exploit, who fail to recognise others as persons – not by those who are oppressed, exploited and unrecognized.” -Paulo Freire

justwondering on July 30, 2011 at 2:12 pm

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The land was bought, not stolen. The other land was conquered in defensive wars.

Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:17 pm

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justwondering,

The narration you have shared here doesn’t make any sense to you because it is plain and simply incorrect. If you are sincere and truly wish to have this puzzle demystified please order and read the following book:

‘Palestine Betrayed’ by Efraim Karsh

Here is part of the Product Description from Amazon.com regarding this very informative book:

“In this brave and groundbreaking book, Efraim Karsh tells the story from both the Arab and Jewish perspectives. He argues that from the early 1920s onward, a corrupt and extremist leadership worked toward eliminating the Jewish national revival and protecting its own interests. Karsh has mined many of the Western, Soviet, UN, and Israeli documents declassified over the past decade, as well as unfamiliar Arab sources, to reveal what happened behind the scenes on both Palestinian and Jewish sides. It is an arresting story of delicate political and diplomatic maneuvering by leading figures—Ben Gurion, Hajj Amin Husseini, Abdel Rahman Azzam, King Abdullah, Bevin, and Truman —over the years leading up to partition, through the slide to war and its enduring consequences. Palestine Betrayed is vital reading for understanding the origin of disputes that remain crucial today.”

Please, please come back here after you have read this book and share your thoughts with us! Let’s keep the dialog going.

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 11:02 pm

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Because Israel is very important to Jewish survival. And the number of people who are anti-Israel but not anti-semitic can be fitted into a Phone Booth designed for dwarfs.

Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:12 pm

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Just wondering: I ahve a few questions for you:

1)As a Catamite of a Hamas terrorist, do you spit or swallow?
2)Do you use an electrom microscope to find the genitalia, or can you get by with high power light microscopy?
3) Given the small size of the invading organ, is KY Jelly necessaqry, or do you even feel anything?

Just wondering.

The Inquirer on July 30, 2011 at 10:48 pm

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Bilbo, I take it you have had your head buried in the sand your whole life and have never looked into all the aspects of the rise of the Third Reich in Germany during the 1930’s?

Can you honestly tell us you have never seen film footage or snapshots of all those handsome young German youth ecstatically and proudly saluting Hitler? Have you honestly never learned of how the Hitler youth, so happy to have been indoctrinated by Nazism, gleefully turned in their friends, neighbors and their own parents for expressing political views different than Nazism?

Are you now going to tell us that young people are incapable of expressing political views just because they are too young in your estimation to ever be made the dangerous pawns of evil men and women?

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 5:29 pm

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Straddling the fence much “Bilbo”?

Skunky on July 29, 2011 at 6:02 pm

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Debbie didn’t say that. While we’re on the subject, two wrongs don’t make a right. Keep that in mind before running off your mouth accusing Jews of something they haven’t done!

NormanF on July 29, 2011 at 6:23 pm

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Angry,
How often in life has starting off one of your arguments with the most foul and ridiculous language helped you win your case? Or does it even matter that you ‘win’?

You totally lost me at the first sentence. Whatever opinion you may have held pro or con was completely rendered null and void beyond that point.

You are not only Angry, but you are a pathetic loser as well. From here on out you will never, ever be taken seriously. Do you spit into the wind too?

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 6:26 pm

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Angry, I know why your angry, your angry because your a loser with a chip on your shoulder and you can’t use any type of logic and can’t be rational in a debate.

Where did DS say that she’s happy those young people were killed? She NEVER said anything like that you moron, so stop “reading between the lines”, people who “read between the lines” have alot of reading comphrehsion problems. So my advice for you is that to NEVER log onto this website ever again in your miserable life.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 6:39 pm

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she pretty much said it , did you read the title ? karma ( or at least american karma ) means what “goes around , comes around ” how can this be interpreted other than ” those bastards got what was coming to them ” ? please explain it to me , i’m confused .

but this is not new , for someone who bitch about the holocaust 24/7 , DS dosen’t have a problem with the extermination of the entire muslim population ( she said: 1 dead , 1 billion to go when ben laden was killed ) , and now she’s pretty much happy about the norway terrorist attacks ….hey , debby , now you know how the people who exchanged candy after 9/11 felt

waldemar on July 29, 2011 at 8:24 pm

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I think you were pulling those facts out of your ass, and I think your hate of Palestinians is comparable to the hatred of Nazis to Jews.

Dear Angry: The Nazis were people who did their absolute best to avoid killing civilians, made suicidal concessions for peace, spent years getting shot at by Jews and finally shot back?

Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 5:25 am

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Dan,
I see here we have another slothful ignoramus regarding the well documented historical facts of Nazi Germany.

Here’s a fact Dan:
As of January 1933 only 1% of the population of Germany’s 65 million people were Jews.

Now explain to the rest of us how so few could possibly be dragging a whole country down?

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 6:36 pm

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Ok Dan. I owe you an apology. I did in fact misread the irony of your first sentence. Embarrassing? Yes. Shame on me. Let’s start over can we?

However, the rest of your post left a lot to be desired. If you disagree with Debbie why don’t you write a reasoned post explaining to us why you believe she is misdirected or misinformed. Or whatever.

Then we can all have a much more interesting and thought provoking debate.

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 8:36 pm

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Dan, I am being more precise than usual in my monicker because you aren’t bright.

Jews in Germany pre-Hitler were:
1) patriotic
2) Winners of the Nobel Prize 11% of the time that Germans won them—i.e., 22 times their population in the gGerman community,
3) War heroes. The man who nominated Corporal Hitler for the Iron Cross was a Jewish Officer.

The Norwegian campers, on the other hand, were:
1) Supporters of Hamas, and 2) members of a political party whose current Ambassador to Israel defends Hamas terrorism.

Therefore, by extension, you are one or more of the following 1) a blithering idiot, 2) a complete moron, or 3) C. Elegans, a hermaphroditic self fertilizing free living nematode (that means you screw yourself to procreate) with a genetically determined max of 302 neuronal cells, not all of which are brain. I leave it to Jonathan,Skunky, Kairn, and Debbie to vote.

Occam's Razor on July 30, 2011 at 10:56 pm

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Occam,
We need SeanR to join us in that vote!

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 11:28 pm

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Umm, Dave, we are moving the discussion down the road a bit now. Beyond the motivations of Breivik. He did what he did. There is no undoing his horrific deed. He is obviously not a nice man despite whatever beliefs he held.

The bigger picture is what his horrendous deed exposed to the world outside of Norway: what this camp represented and its particular brand of ideological tripe that was promoted to impressionable youth. Certainly not the best way for to have brought this business to light. But it is what it is.

It is unfortunate that too many folks like you want to keep the focus on Breivik running around some island shooting at young people. How many times do we all need to express our sadness for this incident?

A cover was pulled back in Norway. We can’t change how it was pulled back. But we are now seeing what we are seeing and that demands a deeper investigation and a lot of open and honest discussion about the ramifications of any nation aiding and abetting the existence of youth indoctrination camps when they appear to revolve around hateful and potentially dangerous rhetoric.

What is it about this newest development you don’t understand? Or are you in full agreement with what was being promoted to these young people on that island?

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 7:22 pm

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“It is unfortunate that too many folks like you want to keep the focus on Breivik running around some island shooting at young people.”

Yeah, I do want to keep the focus on the scores of people that were murdered. I would feel the same way if they were Muslims, Jews, Hindus or atheists.

“How many times do we all need to express our sadness for this incident?”

Once would be nice in Debbie’s case:

“I don’t feel sorry in the least for those who die while cheering on my destruction. That’s what those shot at this camp did. I shed no tears for them. I don’t give even the feakest wuck about “people” who welcome Fatah Youth murderers to toast marshmallows with them and ride in canoes while they share in their Jew-hatred.”

No sadness there.

Dave H. on July 29, 2011 at 9:03 pm

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In all honesty, I see nothing wrong with Debbie’s viewpoint as seen thru the prism of a women who hails from a jewish heritage. One who knows full well what the like of Fatah is all about.

If I can help it, you will never find me hob nobbing with Fatah youth anywhere on this planet!!!! Do you want to hob nob with these people? Do you want your kids rubbing elbows at summer camp with youth the likes of those which snuck into the Fogel household and slaughtered that whole family while they slept? Proud of their deed to this day.

Are you going to convince me that the presence of this Fatah element insinuated into the courses and talks directed at the youth who attend these camps is not infecting these youth with some very dark and sinister ways of looking at Israel and the Jews? Worse yet by Fatah members no doubt engaging in private conversations with these gullible Norwegian youth. How many of these gullible youths might just take the garbage they are hearing at these camps to a higher level of evil?

Look Dave, Fatah and the way they think about the Jews is very ugly. After that they think somewhat less ugly thoughts about Christians. But ugly just the same. And the hate goes on down the line. Fatah is capitalizing on the gullibility of the Norwegians and their overblown sense of being a ‘peaceful’ people. Norwegians have in essence invited the devil to come sup at their table! Why on earth then should we hold them in high regard?

Even if Breivik had never happened, there would eventually have been a disaster come down upon Norway for their collusion with this dark and sinister force. Lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 10:16 pm

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Dan,
Speaking of throwing a hissy fit. Look in the mirror Dan.

You made a slothful reference to the Jews bringing Germany down during the 1930’s. Even with the lame excuse that you made such a statement in order to make some obtuse point, it was not very effective or funny. That statement was proof you are truly ignorant of well documented historical facts. Anyone who knows these facts would NOT make a ridiculous statement like that. You are indeed a slothful thinker. I called you on it and you didn’t like it because what I said is true. What you said was a lie! It is now documented! Ha!

If you have so dang much pride, get off your lazy butt and start doing some research about the history of the lead up to Nazi Germany and all the gore that followed and start making statements that aren’t tinged with poor attempts at innuendo within a discussion that should be taken a lot more seriously.

It is clear that you are a childish poo flinger. If you think I am as dumb as a rock, well then, a rock I am. A rock that can read and write oddly enough. Will wonders never cease?

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 7:42 pm

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Is “Herp” short for herpes?

Jonathan Grant on July 29, 2011 at 7:22 pm

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Herp or herpes, get lost, your not bringing anything important or intelligent to the table. Typical of you ignorant trolls, “read between the lines”, attack the messenger or this case attack the readers/posters and do a hit-and-run and vanish into night like cowards. You own us all an apology, but then again, I’m not holding my breath and wait for an apology from you buster. Hitler used tons of propaganda against jewish and demonized them for no damn reason, DS on the flip side is WARNING us all of the threat of islamofascism, and NO this has NOTHING to do with religion, and the islamist are using their religion as a “trojan horse”! So NO Debbie is no propagandist, do you know what the word propaganda means? It means “doctrines disseminated by an organization”, from what I’ve learned, DS is not associated with an organization, nor she’s NOT no “front-woman” or shill for any organization in this country or in the world.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 7:40 pm

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herp,
the irony here is that when one starts off a sentence on a comment thread with “You people” yada yada yada that we know we are encountering a follower of group-think in the highest order.

Isn’t that right you cute little brownshirt you?

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 7:55 pm

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ickwad,
You are not funny.

Go eat a hot dog. And don’t forget to put plenty of onions on it.

I bet you think it’s funny to talk with your mouth full too.

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 7:47 pm

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actually , a lot of people will be grieving about the loss , maybe except few butthurt zionists

people actually care about the well being of a beautiful , peaceful country like norway

waldemar on July 29, 2011 at 8:26 pm

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“people actually care about the well being of a beautiful , peaceful country like norway” – waldemar

well duh!! Why the heck do you think Debbie is keeping abreast of this story and commenting on it?!!! Once upon a time Germany was a beautiful, peaceful country too. Until they allowed this same kind of ugly thinking to overpower their sense of common decency. Look where it took them:

Europe blasted to bits. Millions of people dead. The once proud German people hanging their heads in utter shame at the destruction they helped to facilitate. What an ignoble end. Isn’t that end pretty much another “what comes around, goes around” example of karma?

This discussion is all about shining a light on Norway right now and hoping to G_d more and more people wake up to this hateful way of thinking and governing before Norway turns itself into something not so beautiful or peaceful. What will you say to us later when and if we are informed that very powerful and hateful propaganda may have been spewed at these youth camps?

It befuddles me how you feel so confident in taking what Debbie says and twisting her meanings all out of proportion. She is warning those of us who will listen. Is it possible that it is actually you who is filled with hate for truth tellers?

Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 9:13 pm

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Here you are Debbie derp, another wanna-be master of the universe who fantasizes about waving your magic cudgel over the earth in order to annihilate all the human beings you believe have bruised your kind, warm and generous heart.

In the end Debbie derp, you’d be all alone. I guess then you’d have to assuage your burning desire for power by incessantly pulling the wings off flies. Because with all the dead bodies laying around, there would certainly be an endless supply.

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 1:17 pm

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Wow, some language coming from your filthy mouth Michael, let me ask you a question dumbass, do you talk to your wife or girlfriend, your mother, grandmother, or aunts like that by calling her/them the “c” word? If you do talk to any females with that language, then you clearly have NO respect for women, and I bet that you don’t have a girlfriend by you using such misogynist language against women.

You clearly didn’t read the whole page word-for-word, so what did you do, you “read between the lines” like a retarded ass. RIF, Reading is Fundamental, where did Debbie said that she supported that nutbar Breivik? She said that she condemns his act towards those young people and what does “I condemn his act” and “I don’t condone what he did” don’t you understand Michael?

Very typical of you subliterate trolls, you come onto this blog, use inferiotity complex, attack the messenger for no damn reason, do a hit-and-run, don’t debate the issue and vanish into the sunset like the coward(s) you really are. Get lost and wash your mouth with bath-soap Michael, if you were around me Michael and you spoke to a woman like that, I would go up to you and back-slap you across your ugly looking face!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 pm

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Michael, just go away and don’t comeback onto this website EVER again in your miserable life you putz. Your not bringing anything intelligent or important to the table, all your doing is using all types of ad hominiems against DS like a little child with tantrum problems.

And your also a lying sack of kitty-litter, you originally claimed in your other message that Debbie agreed with Anders Breivik, whereas she DISAGREED what this guy did, she acknowledges what he did was complete evil and terrible. As for the AUF, your not too intelligent and bright about what that organization stands for, there just NOT a communist front group, but they also have ties to fatah (a islamic terrorist group in the middle east) and last I checked, fatah is a jew-hating anti-semitic group and they also don’t recognize Israel. As I said Michael, get lost go away for good, go far away for good Michael, we don’t need intellect-challanged doofuses like you poising the atmosphere with your hatred and bigotry!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 12:50 pm

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Michael W,

Pfffft…people who express themselves in the vulgar manner such as yours are not worth the salt in my tears.

So sad that you are bereft of any skill at utilizing a kinder, gentler approach to warming the cockles of cold, cold hearts such as you have convinced yourself that Debbie and myself possess.

Ever considered changing your approach to achieve an outcome that suits your oh so tender sensibilities better? Or would you just rather be allowed to murder people whom you take umbrage with?

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 12:54 pm

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Karin, this friggin thing Michael can’t debate the issue(s) honestly, so what does this loser does, he attacks the messenger (Debbie Schlussel) and uses a misogynist term against the woman and this thing expects us to take his/its ass seriously?

I hope we don’t see morons like Michael and his hateful ilk post on this blog again with their stupid rhetoric. Guys like that loser only poisons the atmosphere, and he’s also a LIAR for saying that Debbie supported Anders Breivik’s evil act towards those anti-semitic young people. In fact DS NEVER said that she supports Breivik, matter of fact, Debbie clearly said that she condemns what this nutcase did and she’s not taking any sides on this issue, but that’s Debbie’s opinion and she’s entitled to it!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 1:07 pm

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Sean R,

As you have well read, I’m not too fond of the vulgar way some commenters approach a debate. Although ‘debate’ in its formal sense seems to be beyond the grasp of these swarthy, foul-mouthed troglodytes.

But I do want to give them an opportunity to see if they are able to evolve their brutish, hairy selves out of their primordial cesspool and join us all at a more civilized table of scintillating and fair-minded discussion.

We learn soon enough who can and who can’t keep their marbles in the game. As you have noted, the ones who do go home with their vulgar, little marbles are not missed. And all of their puerile missives will not in the least be recalled by anyone but by their own pathetic selves.

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 2:01 pm

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Motives,

Me thinks more like what you wrote here will damage your cause. You are in possession of powerfully evil thoughts. And evil always eats its own. Always.

I hope you will be able to stick around long enough to see how it all ends.

I’ll give you a hint: YOUR ‘CAUSE’ LOSES

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 6:50 pm

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Oh no Kairn, we will not lose. We hate the Jews and Judaism with the same intensity Debbie Schlussel hates the Muslims and Islam. That’s gotta count for something, dont’cha think? 😉

Motives on July 31, 2011 at 5:49 am

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Southbay Bob,

…and we don’t have any sympathy for you being the most pathetic speller in the world. Truly, it isn’t that difficult to utilize a spell checker.

I’m sure you are also a first class klutz, so I don’t think Israel has any worries about you being a serious threat. You will no doubt only hurt yourself if you try. And we won’t have any sympathy for your inevitable boo-boos either.

We also don’t have any sympathy for your brain and heart not being quite right.

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 7:10 pm

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sean R , you are an uncle tom bro

actually , you are the biggest display of uncle tomness in the history of uncle tomness

waldemar on July 30, 2011 at 6:26 pm

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Diggin’ deep there, waldemar…diggin’ deep man.

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 6:57 pm

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Ok Waldemar, thanks for showing your true colors and your honesty you racist and anti-semitic white-trash POS! I hope Debbie let’s your ignorant and hateful comment remain on this blog so everybody can read what you wrote about me and they react to your comment you hatemongorer.

So why don’t you send your sorry ass to Stormfront or any white-nationalist blog(s) and spewout your hatred of jewish people, black people and other minorities. And I can bet if you saw me or any other black person walking down the road in your area or in my area you would probably walk the opposite direction?

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 7:23 pm

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I am very honest about my intentions, Sean.
And while I am a racist, I do not look down on those of other races. So what, you’re black; big deal. I don’t mind. Malcolm X was black, George Lincoln Rockwell was white and they got along JUST FINE, hehe. 😀

As for Christianity, it is Judaism 2.0 + Jesus. Islam is Judaism 3.0 – they threw in Muhammed. 😉

Abraham was willing to murder his own child… Muhammed a pedophile… Jesus is probably the nicest religious figure out there. Too bad he’s a jew. 😛

Motives on July 31, 2011 at 5:28 am

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James,

The article under which you are posting is about a vile organization called FATAH being heavily involved in the goings on at this Norwegian youth indoctrination summer camp.

Stands to reason, that should be the main topic of conversation here. This particular article is NOT about Breivik. If you want to read about Breivik or read other peoples comments about Breivik, go find articles directly related to Breivik elsewhere on the internet.

Most importantly, if you find Debbie so disagreeable, why have you come here? I don’t like HuffPo or the DailyKos. So I don’t visit those sites. Let alone bother to post comments there about my negative sentiments.

You enjoy labeling people you don’t like with your own version of repugnant hyperbole.

Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 8:07 pm

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Karin, speaking of the Daily KOS, I was on this particular thread yesterday at this time and one poster claimed that the Daily Kos is clearing up their blog of anti-semitic rhetoric. I think that’s a good sign what the Kos is doing (even though I disagree with their viewpoints on political issues, but their still entitled to their opinions, viewpoints, etc.), I’ve been on a few liberal blogs, the only liberal blogs I go onto are the ones who “left-of-center”!

Those liberal blogs I like alot, because those are true liberals, even though I may not agree with everything the writer and some of the posters say, but their very rational and civil about the topics they comment on. So I don’t just go onto conservative blogs, I also go onto liberal blogs and also centrist blogs, because I want to read what the other sides are saying, etc.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 8:20 pm

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Unfortunately, Debbie’s accurate. Here’s the Nowegian ambassador to Israel:

“In a recent interview, Norway’s ambassador to Israel has suggested that Hamas terrorism against Israel is more justified than the recent terrorist attack against Norway. His reasoning is that “we Norwegians consider the occupation to be the cause of the terror against Israel.” In other words terrorism against Israeli citizens is the fault of Israel. The terrorism against Norway, on the other hand, was based on “an ideology that said that Norway, particularly the Labor Party, is foregoing Norwegian culture.” It is hard to imagine that he would make such a provocative statement without express approval from the Norwegian government.”

The Norwegians can go to Hell.

Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:09 pm

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Occam’s Tool, let me get this straight, the Norwegian ambassador said that hamas’s terrorism against Israel is correct according to his pathetic mind? In other words, the Norwegian ambassador is a “neo-nazi”!

And he also said that, terrorism against Israeli citizens is the fault of Israel? WTF? As I said, Norway’s ambassador is a neo-nazi, simple as that! I also believe that’s one of the reasons why the jewish population has declined throughout Norway because of anti-semitic and anti-Israel rhetoric like that Norwegian schmuck.

And the samething can be said for the rest of scandinavia, ie, Denmark, Finland & Sweden, the jewish population is decreasing in those countries because of the rise of anti-semitism in those countries, through their educational system, propaganda, etc.!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 8:36 pm

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“If you notice, they can only name call and not one has the acumen, knowledge or even know-how to even try to counter DS’ argument”

What is her argument? She said that she doesn’t approve of terrorism, but then goes on at great length to explain that she feels no sadness for the people that were killed. That’s not an argument, it is just hypocrisy. Her supporters can say “she said she doesn’t condone it” while ignoring the fact that she spends much more time agreeing with what happened.

Her main point is about the politics of the camp. She has, directly or indirectly, said this was like a Hitler Youth camp and a Fatah/Hamas Youth camp.

The first is absurd. It was Breivik who talked about his support of National Socialist principles and that the only mistake that Hitler made was killing the Jews instead of forcibly deporting them to the Middle East. It was also Breivik who is willing to give up his support of Jews if it will help him recruit neo-Nazi groups for his mythical army.

At this point, someone usually brings up Quisling. Yes, Vidkun Quisling was Norwegian and, yes, he collaborated with the Nazis. However, Quisling was a member of a right-wing party that took over Norway in a Nazi-assisted coup. The people that Quisling and the Nazis threw out are the political ancestors of the party that holds the camp on Utoya. Comparing them to the Hitler Youth is an insult to the Norwegians who fought against the Nazis, and simply historically inane.

That leaves the charge that it was a Hamas/Fatah Youth Camp. Yes, the campers do support a separate Palestinian state. So do the last three American presidents. So does Binyamin Netanyahu. That doesn’t make them supporters of terrorism. It also doesn’t make them anti-Semitic.

Is there any proof anywhere that any of the people killed ever called for terrorist attacks on Israel, or that any of them praised terrorist attacks? I’ve never seen any, and Debbie certainly hasn’t cited any.

Some of the campers did support a boycott of Israel. Obviously, Debbie finds that distasteful, and so do most of the commenters here. However, a boycott is a political act, not an act of terror. Saying that someone deserves to die, or that you don’t care that they have died, because of a political position is not how humanity is supposed to work. I don’t agree with most of the things Debbie says, but I certainly don’t think anyone has the right to threaten her with violence, much less perform actual violence against her.

It wasn’t a Hitler Youth group. It wasn’t a group of terrorist supporters. It was a group of young socialists who hold a political position that you find offensive. You are entitled to that belief. No one is entitled to kill for that belief, and anyone who endorses those killings, whether openly or tacitly, should be ashamed.

Dave H. on July 31, 2011 at 1:15 am

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Dave H. said: It was Breivik who talked about his support of National Socialist principles and that the only mistake that Hitler made was killing the Jews instead of forcibly deporting them to the Middle East

YOU ARE WRONG!

“Breivik” said

‘that Hitler should have used his “military capabilities…to liberate Jerusalem and the nearby provinces from Islamic occupation” and give them to the Jews. Breivik calls on his imaginary comrades: “So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists.”

Mallory on July 31, 2011 at 5:22 am

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Breivik didn’t say the stuff you are quoting. That was from one of the hundreds of times that he prints entire blog posts from other people.

His views on National Socialism only show up in his rambling third book, which he appears to have mostly written himself.

Dave H. on July 31, 2011 at 11:45 am

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“What is her argument? She said that she doesn’t approve of terrorism, but then goes on at great length to explain that she feels no sadness for the people that were killed. That’s not an argument, it is just hypocrisy.”

Dave H., you just can’t see that NOT approving what Breivik did and feeling NO sadness are NOT mutually exclusive.

Why can’t you see that?

It’s NOT hypocritical. It is TWO separate things.

No have NO idea what DS knows and how this is her life calling. You stupidly stating the above sentence PROVES that you are too dumb for her.

She has NO TIME for people who don’t get it. She knows more than you. She knows more than me. We can start studying now to catch up, but it will take absolute dedication to even be up to par. She even knows Arabic fluently.

You don’t get it Dave H. You are nothing to DS. You get in the way like an annoying gnat because you have NO CLUE but make a lot of noise in an annoying way. You need to get out of YOUR own way before DS will EVER waste time on you. She on the moon and you are below the whale droppings at the bottom of the sea. That is how far below her you are. (in knowledge and education on the issue).

Again, NOT condoning the massacre and not caring about those fallen are two different things. She can feel that way because her head is on the chopping block and she is smart enough to know how evil the enemy is.

She has NO TIME for fools who play with fire and get burned.

Smarten up.

Skunky on July 31, 2011 at 12:13 pm

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So you demand a discussion with no name-calling, yet you can’t do it yourself? Fine.

Debbie may or may not be far above me when it comes to her knowledge of this subject. The reason I don’t know is that I can see two possibilities:

1) She actually knows very little about the subject, and that’s the reason she has so many factual errors on this site – calling Utoya a Hitler Youth camp and a PLO camp, calling a Christian missionary “another wannabe Islamist terrorist”, and on and on and on.

2) She’s a liar. She knows that the things she says are untrue, but slants them, distorts them or just makes them up to suit her Islamophobia.

I think it is clearly the second, especially if she is as brilliant as you all seem to think. She knows the truth about Utoya – a man who shares her extremist anti-Muslim positions set off a car bomb (she always ignores that part) and then went to a youth camp to kill young adults who had done nothing wrong other than belong to the youth wing of the political party he hated because he thought they coddled Muslims.

It wasn’t a Fatah camp or a PLO camp or a HAMAS camp. Their only “crime” against Israel was advocating for a separate Palestinian state and calling for a boycott. Guess what? That’s allowed in this society, and it doesn’t make you an anti-Semite or a supporter of terrorism.

And then, after the murders, when even her fellow Islamophobes were willing to condemn Breivik’s actions, Debbie couldn’t really do it. She threw a token sentence in there, so she can quote it and you can quote it, but condemnation means you completely disapprove of the action. It doesn’t mean “well, I wouldn’t have told him to do it, but I’m certainly not upset by it.”

No one wants an intelligent debate here. You either agree 100% with Saint Debbie, or you are lower than whale droppings. Debbie isn’t smarter than I am, and her biggest advantage in knowledge comes in the field of crazy conspiracy theories.

Dave H. on August 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm

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Geir,

AUF and thus Norway, in inviting Fatah/Hamas to come sup at their table with a naive notion that they will be teaching Fatah/Hamas youth how to be peaceniks is the most wildly idiotic thing I’ve ever read!!!

A nation of dunces you have become! Useful tools for Fatah/Hamas. I have no doubts how these people sneer and laugh at you white European nincompoops behind your backs. And don’t they LOVE, LOVE, LOVE taking the millions of dollars your corrupt government hands over to them. They are not grateful for your generosity.

Your nation has stooped this low to hob nob with followers of the most evil, vile, murderous ideology the world has ever known. And you are willingly and cheerfully presenting your precious children to bow at the alter of this cult.

You have only allowed this insanity because of your irrational hatred of the Jews!

Kairn on July 31, 2011 at 1:14 pm

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