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July 28, 2011, - 1:34 pm

Karma?: Norway Camp Breivik Shot Up Celebrated HAMAS, Jew-Hatred

By Debbie Schlussel

**** UPDATE: Karma #2: Norway Utoya Camp Was Also FATAH PLO Terrorist Camp ****

It’s trite but true: a picture’s worth a thousand words. And the Norwegian newspaper pictures from the “political youth camp” at Utoya Island, Norway–the day before terrorist Anders Behring Breivik attacked it–say it all. The boycott sign is obvious, and the other pic is a game, re-enacting of the HAMAS flotilla in which terrorists tried to murder Israeli soldiers (complete with Palestinian flags and Norwegian kids’ smiles). These kids who were killed by a terrorist . . . well, they sided with Islamic terrorists. Look at the photos brought to our attention by Zalmi’s Weblog, and they appeared on Norwegian news site Politisk, right before the attacks. Read all the insightful details provided by the astute Zalmi, who notes that the man in the pic happily encountering the boycott sign is Norway’s Foreign Minister Gahre-Store, who went on to praise Palestinian terrorists and condemn Israel.

“Victims” or Perpetrators?: Norwegian HAMASniks Join Norway Foreign Minister @ Utoya Island Camp

Funny how Glenn Beck has come under attack for comparing the camp to a Hitler Youth camp. Based on these pics, seems like he’s spot on, though he should have added, HAMAS Youth camp, too. As we all know, Nazis boycotted Jews and were Jew-killers. And these hateful, privileged brats at the camp boycotted Jews and sided with Jew-killers. I don’t condone violent massacres on innocent civilians, and I condemn what Breivik did. He is a terrorist just like the 9/11 hijackers, Hezbollah, HAMAS, and Nidal Malik Hasan. But what goes around comes around. You support terrorists against innocent civilians in Israel, then you get attacked by terrorists who are upset with your support.

For me, this is like Alien v. Predator. I’m not sad for either side. And I make no apologies for it. Now these kids’ families know what it feels like to be victims of the Islamic terrorists whose Judenrein boycotts and terrorist flotillas against Israel they support. We don’t live in a vacuum. I can’t feel sorry for those who support my would-be assassins. And I don’t get too upset when they face the karma that is their fate. HAMAS isn’t just against Israel, it’s against all Jews . . . and all Christians. Just ask the Christians who’ve had to flee Gaza for their lives. And read the HAMAS charter. I’ll bet that’s something these spoiled airheaded kids with their Boycott Israel signs and HAMAS flotilla re-enactment games never did.

Frankly, the HAMAS charter and HAMAS’ behavior, all of which these kids at the Norwegian HAMAS youth camp cheered on, is a lot more scary than the screed and deeds of Breivik.

My late grandfather, a Holocaust survivor, never shed a tear for dead Nazis. My late father, a Vietnam era Army veteran, never shed a tear for those who supported the killing of Americans and Jews. And I shed no tears for these HAMASnik campers with a Scandinavian dialect. Perpetrators are not victims. Sorry. HAMAS collaborators don’t get my pity. They never will.

Again, you must read Zalmi’s important piece on this, which provides far more detail on these “victims” of terrorism who celebrated terrorism against other victims.

That Was Then . . .

This Is Now . . .

460 Responses

As the world seeks balance from its entirely askewed intentions
toward Israel and Jews, a tiny minority in the sea of the PC who view them as the problem, the Brevik incident is only the tip of the iceberg for the shitstorm to come.

elvis on July 29, 2011 at 9:36 am

Debbie, as a civilised, open minded and courteous human being I would like to say that I am disgusted and appalled by the above ‘article’ and I use that term loosely. Having lived in Israel (probably for a considerably longer time than you could dream) I find your veiws repulsive. Pro Isral support does not warrent anti ‘everything else’ hatred. It’s exactly that attitude that lead to the holocaust.
As a politics student I would like to introduce you to the concept of political significance. Just because these children renacted a highly publicised and contentious event does not go to say they were ‘celebrating’ it.
Take off your blinkers, go back to university, learn to write and finally do us all a favor and stop with you obviously biased and disgustingly pro Zionist propaganda. That way the world might just start to realise that not all Israelis/Jews are absolute idiots.
Kindest Regards,
Lauren

Lauren on July 30, 2011 at 2:51 am

Calling for a boycott has NO equivalence for mass murder. Only a pro-zionist could see any corelation. Similarly, the few rockets that land in Israel’s zone in Occupied Palestine, has no equivalence to the mass murder of Israel’s attack on the civilians under occupation. The paranoia of Zion is a psychosis that threatens the entire world.

allen heart on July 30, 2011 at 12:30 pm

Similarly, the few rockets that land in Israel’s zone in Occupied Palestine, has no equivalence to the mass murder of Israel’s attack on the civilians under occupation. The paranoia of Zion is a psychosis that threatens the entire world.

allen heart on July 30, 2011 at 12:30 pm

Don’t you mean the THOUSANDS of rockets that land in Israel, within the 1967 borders? What mass murder of civilians under occupation? YOU fight a war against people who fire rockets from residential areas and use civilians as human shileds and do the job of avoiding killing civilians that the Israelis do. If the now-so-called “Palestinians” tried to pull, on their fellow Arabs, 1/4096th of what they pull on the Israelis, they’d all be dead-an event the international news media would greet with yawns-and they know it. Ever hear of Hama? Ever hear of Black September? Remember when the Lebanese shelled the “Palestinian” refugee camps?

Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 5:46 am

After going over the numerous news articles on this case, then placing it withing context of the history of the region, and after careful soul searching, I’ve come to a conclusion. Debbie is absolutely right and you are woefully wrong.

Ted on July 30, 2011 at 10:48 pm

Lauren says: It’s exactly that attitude that lead to the holocaust.

What? Moron knows no bounds.

Israel, I suppose should ‘turn the other cheek’ while they are rocketed in Sderot and Ashkelon.

Israel should give up Jerusalem and kiss the Muslims A$$es. Do exactly as Obama the Muslim says..

THAT would ‘prevent’ a Holocaust, eh, Lauren?

Rabbi Kahane:

“I understand the A-rabs and the A-rabs understand me, but nobody understand the Jews”

You fit the bill, Lauren.

MJ on July 31, 2011 at 6:02 pm

MJ, I fit the bill how exactly?
Explain this in a concise and reasonable way and I will happily take you ‘moron’ comment on the chin.
This woman is obviously a complete moron not me and to support her views just says everything for me,
Ignorance leads to the problems in Ashkelon and the north (I myself experienced a bombing so I know how it is)

P.S I hate to gt personal but your comment makes you look like a dick, good luck with that!

lauren on July 31, 2011 at 11:58 pm

Re:

[“MJ, I fit the bill how exactly?
Explain this in a concise and reasonable way and I will happily take you ‘moron’ comment on the chin….”

lauren on July 31, 2011 at 11:58 pm]

What good advice that you gave. Too bad that you you didn’t take your advice. All I see in both your post and in original one is name calling, both to Debbie, and now to MJ. (I didn’t include in my excerpt fom your post your personal attack against MJ, but others can see for themselves in your original post what you called her.) What substantive facts that you did offer was rebutted by MJ, at least more so than you have done in response to either Debbie or MJ. Now will you please follow your own advice and explain in a reasonable and concise what either Debbie or MJ wrote that isn’t true and provide evidence to back them up?

JeffE on August 1, 2011 at 8:26 pm

Hi Lauren.
It was good to read your comment after reading blondies article. And I agree with every single word you write. As a norwegian I would like to mark that Norways foreign minister is NOT standing there smiling to the boicot sign, as you clearly can see. And he has never said he is pro palestina. BUT he has said during the years that he does not support the way Israel is handling this case. To replace the nazi flag with the norwegian flag is the biggest offence I’ve seen towards Norway actually. But I’m not going to get mad about it. It only makes me feel sad for blondie (Debby). This article is on the same level as Fox news is all the time. And I guess that says it all. I would like to remind blondie about where the Nobel peace prize is given every year. I would also remind blondie on which country on several occations has been peace mediator in the middle east. Yes Norway. Heard about the Oslo treaty?
And Norways reaction on our terror attack was not:” we’re gonna hunt them down.” A 14 year old survivor at the youth camp said: ” one mans hate will never beat the love of millions”. A wiser thing to say than blondie ever will be able to even think. And does blondies article even make sance when you think about what Norway has done for peace for decades? We are NOT the ones who have invaded several countries going to war with them since world war II! Instead of hate and anger (like some others) we have chosen to work for peace. And that without weapon. Rather with roses!! Do your homework blondie before you write things that unveils your lack of knowledge. I could have written more angry stuff in my respons. But I don’t want to lower me down to that level. I only have one life. So I choose to say that even if I disagree with blondie (Debby), I have love for her as well.
And to Lauren: Thank you for your comment! Very well written! And very wise written. I wish my english were better so that I really could express what I have on my mind. But hey. None of speaks / write norwegian either:-)

Bjorn on August 1, 2011 at 4:50 am

It would be interesting to know what else Breivik claims about being a Christian in his 1581 page “manifesto”. Many say that just because he says he’s a Christian that that makes him one. Well, I’m a member of the New York Yankees, which is odd since I’m not on the roster of the NYY, but I say I am so that must make it true.

I think soon I’ll use a word search on the manifesto to look for phrases like “Atonement of sins”, “Savior”, “Lamb of God”, “King of Kings and Lord of Lords”, “Redemption”, or any other reference to the person and work of the New Testament Jesus Christ. These are words that real Christians use to convey their conversion experience to others. My guess is that I won’t find any.

CornCoLeo on July 29, 2011 at 9:56 am

Here is what Breivik said about Christians and Christianity in his manifesto:

(Credit: Ann Coulter, who actually buckled down and read the thing. Ick.)

A casual perusal of Breivik’s manifesto clearly shows that he uses the word “Christian” similarly to the way some Jewish New Yorkers use it to mean “non-Jewish.” In this usage, Christopher Hitchens and Madalyn Murray O’Hair are “Christians.”

[…]

Breivik is very clear that you don’t even have to believe in God to join his movement, saying in a self-interview:

Q: Do I have to believe in God or Jesus in order to become a Justiciar Knight?

A: As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus.

He goes on to say that a “Christian fundamentalist theocracy” is “everything we DO NOT want,” and a “secular European society” is “what we DO want.”

“It is enough,” Breivik says, “that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist.” That statement doesn’t even make sense in America.

At the one and only meeting of Breivik’s “Knights Templar” in London in 2002, there were nine attendees, three of whom he describes as “Christian atheists” and one as a “Christian agnostic.” (Another dozen people mistook it for a Renaissance Faire and were turned away.)

Breivik clearly explains that his “Knights Templar” is “not a religious organization but rather a Christian ‘culturalist’ military order.” He even calls on the “European Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu community” to join his fight against “the Islamization of Europe.”

He doesn’t believe in Christianity or want anyone else to, but apparently supports celebrating Christmas simply to annoy Muslims.

Breivik says he is “not an excessively religious man,” brags that he is “first and foremost a man of logic,” calls himself “economically liberal” and reveres Darwinism.

But Times reporters had their “Eureka!” moment as soon as they heard Breivik used the word “Christian” someplace to identify himself. No one at the Times bothered to read Breivik’s manifesto to see that he doesn’t use the term the way the rest of us do. That might have interfered with the paper’s obsessive Christian-bashing.

Other famous killers dubbed conservative Christians by the Times include Timothy McVeigh and Jared Loughner.

McVeigh was a pot-smoking atheist who said, “Science is my religion.”

Similarly, Breivik says in his manifesto that “it is essential that science take an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings” –- a statement that would be incomprehensible to all the real scientists, such as Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Descartes, Bacon, Newton, Mendel, Pasteur, Planck, Einstein and Pauli, all of whom believed the whole purpose of science was to understand God.

The Tucson shooter, Jared Loughner, was lyingly described by the Times as a pro-life fanatic. Not only did more honest news outlets, such as ABC News, report exactly the opposite — for example, how Loughner alarmed his classmates by laughing about an aborted baby in class — but Loughner’s friends described him as “left wing,” “a political radical,” “quite liberal” and “a pothead.” Another said Loughner’s mother was Jewish.

The only reason Timothy McVeigh has gone down in history as a right-wing Christian and Jared Loughner has not — despite herculean efforts by much of the mainstream media to convince us otherwise — is that by January 2011 when Loughner went on his murder spree, conservatives had enough media outlets to reveal the truth.

winoceros on July 29, 2011 at 2:06 pm

Yeah, the problem with that; is that whenever someone who is a Christian does something that they may not support, they all rush to the excuse of,” well, he’s not a real christian because we say so.” Of course, because you say someone is not a Christian doesn’t mean they are not a Christian. By the very definition, a Christian is one who accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

McGee on July 29, 2011 at 4:08 pm

Well, my last comment got zapped, somehow.

As much as I despise their politics, I’ll mourn the kids of Utoya, then get on with my life.

I agree with Debbie. But I also have to add that mixing ideologies and religion can be toxic.

Plus to all those trolls posting hate in one form or another in this thread, take this into consideration: the JOOZ are not responsible for this massacre. Okay.

I didn’t know that there’s a fire sale going on for meth Stateside. De-tweak yourselves first before posting, please. And thank you.

And for everyone, the horse is already dead. Please stop flogging it.

The Reverend Jacques on July 29, 2011 at 10:21 am

Another similar (and I believe correct) take on this;

http://www.badeagle.com/

jcnez762 on July 29, 2011 at 10:24 am

WOW, i am appalled by ALL of the hatred on both sides! WE ARE ALL BORN like each other IN GOD’s IMAGE….WHICH IS LOVE! As a child – ALL CHILDREN – I DON’T CARE WHAT COUNTRY, REGLION YOU ARE BORN IN or INTO – the only true time humans fulfill GOD’s CREATION IN HIS IMAGE – because children only know LOVE when they are born.

HATE is taught and each of you who are HATERS of others, You will die by your HATE – no one will do it to you! SO HATE AWAY so one day ONLY LOVE LIVES!

hatin the haters on July 29, 2011 at 10:54 am

HATE is taught and each of you who are HATERS of others, You will die by your HATE – no one will do it to you! SO HATE AWAY so one day ONLY LOVE LIVES!

love to the haters on July 29, 2011 at 10:55 am

I have to be frank with you, Debbie: you are ONE STUPID BITCH. And a hateful, fear-mongering, insensitive, brainwashed one, at that. I started out taking this article seriously, but the further I read the more laughable it became… you really give Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly a run for their money as far as ill-informed controversy goes – and one might also speculate about whether you, like those two, are just in it for the attention (much like Anders Behring Breivik, ironically enough) or if you actually believe your own horseshit.

No further comment on exactly WHY I find your claims to be so fundamentally wrong, as it is probably just going to go straight over your bigoted, pea brained bitch head anyway. I really can’t be arsed to argue any further with somebody so obviously out of touch with reality (again, much like Breivik).

3000 on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 am

Ok Mr./Mrs. 3000, and what exactly is your point about this issue? You come over here and start to throw all sorts of ad hominiems against Debbie like a mental-midget moron, if you disagree what DS wrote, that’s fine, disagree with her in a rational and civil way, no need to call her misogynist words and ad hominiems, it only proves how stupid your inferiority complex is. Either debate with us in a civil way or get lost for good buster!

“A nation is defined by its borders, langauge & culture!”

Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 1:36 pm

I’d love a reason. I’m no right wing nut but I’m curious what you find to be so factually wrong about the article? Seems to me the chickens came home to roost. I feel for them and this terrorist deserves to be punished but to ignore their stupid and ignorant actions and call her such a vile term without the decency of at least making a factual argument against her is pathetic. My friend told me about this flotilla pictures and I actually told him there was no way it was true. It made no sense. It what world do you reenact events like this for fun? Now I agree that to say it’s ok to kill them is disgusting too and the reason why this situation will never be resolved. Each side is willing to kill the other side. Not enough people are willing to take a stand and say the killing stops. We will raise the next generation to be different.

Reason on July 30, 2011 at 7:25 pm

3000, were not on Facebook so I can’t ‘Like’ your comment but here have a ‘like’ anyway!!
I ahve no power to get political with this dick but I’m with you on the horseshit!!!

lauren on August 1, 2011 at 12:05 am

Wow, what a dumb argument from leftys saying he is a Christian; and even a dumber argument from Radio personality Michael Savage.

The killer claims to be a Christian.
However, the Holy Bible never states to kill those of an opposing religion.
The Koran does. Therein lies the difference.

JE on July 29, 2011 at 11:22 am

JE, Michael Savage is RIGHT, this Anders Breivik is a “christian”, simple as that! Have you read the guys manifesto, he claims that he’s “100%” christian. Breivik claims that he’s a member of the Knights of Templar, that’s a christian group that participated in the crusades in the 1100s in europe. He also justifies his own violence and he quotes the “Holy Bible” in his manifesto, he quotes the books of Luke, Matthew, Isaiah, Daniel, 1 Corinthians & 2 Corinthians, Exodus, Samuel, Judges, and Psalms, his manifesto claims that “god will anoint you with his power to go into battle”, and “god can be a man of war if he wants to be.” He even liseted in his manifesto the aligned dates in the history of the christian/muslim conflicts. He also dated the selected for the last purge of muslims from Norway was in 2083, the 400th anniversary of 1683 at the battle of Vienna, where the muslim Ottoman Empire was defeated and stopped fron invading the rest of Europe.

Your also right about one thing JE, the Holy Bible does NOT say to kill people from other religions and also, the bible does NOT refer to non-christians as “infidels”! Only the koran has those writings in it. So JE, I disagreed with you in a rational way at the beginning of your message, then I agree with the other half of your message, so it’s a 50-50!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 1:46 pm

The Jews need to be able to stand up and be strong. This will never happen with the weak kneed, liberal self hating jews. Are they aware that the holocaust could happen again. Stop pandering to those, ones, whos main objective is to wipe you and all other jews off the face of this earth. You stand by a president, whom is truly antisemtic and anti Israel. Wake up before its to late and you find yourself in a cattle car heading for a death camp. One with the USA and Israel ..

Figgy on July 29, 2011 at 11:33 am

As always, it seems Israel may be linked here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLm4-srIzg

Joe
CCFIILE.com

Joe Rizoli on July 29, 2011 at 11:57 am

You might want to look at history and see that Norway has worked for peace between Israel and the Palestines. You comparing Norway to the Nazis is ignorant. There are more facts to look at than just the pictures… Norway does not support terror attacks or killings of any innocent people – neither does any of its citizens…

I urge people to read the history books and figure out the facts for yourself! You are all entitled to your own opinion, but be a little careful judging when you don’t have all the facts at hand.

Monica on July 29, 2011 at 12:03 pm

“Norway does not support terror attacks or killings of any innocent people – neither does any of its citizens…” (Sez “Monica”)

Yet in this thread there is a picture of the kids in a mock Floatilla (with Palestinian flags…and nasty messages to Israel). As well as HUGE signs saying “Boycott Israel” in Norwegian.

WAKE UP MONICA. How can you lie so bold facedly? Just because YOU can’t see it Monica, do NOT tell us a LIE and tell us what we are seeing is NOT truth!

Skunky on July 29, 2011 at 12:17 pm

“Norway does not support terror attacks or killings of any innocent people – neither does any of its citizens…” (Sez “Monica”)

Yet in this thread there is a picture of the kids in a mock Floatilla (with Palestinian flags…and nasty messages to Israel). As well as HUGE signs saying “Boycott Israel” in Norwegian.

WAKE UP MONICA. How can you lie so bold facedly? Just because YOU can’t see it Monica, do NOT tell us a LIE and tell us what we are seeing is NOT truth!

Skunky on July 29, 2011 at 12:17 pm

Oh can you guys listen??? The picture with the kids in the boat, with the palestinian flag are NOT the kids of the Labour Party youth organization. OK? They’re the youth organization of the party SV, which means “Socialist Left”. The kids that were on the Island of Utøya were in an organization called AUF, Labour party youth organization. The kids on the pic are – as you can see – of the party SU, Socialist Youth. Socialist Left (SV) = Socialist youth (SU). Labour Party (AP) = Labour Party youth organization (AUF). Every single party here, no matter left, right, liberal, conservative, middle, christian, communist HAS A YOUTH ORGANIZATION!!!!! Because in Norway young people are interested in politics!

Oh why bother. You guys are idiots anyway.

I-Love-Oslo on July 29, 2011 at 7:11 pm

“Norway does not support terror attacks or killings of any innocent people – neither does any of its citizens…” (Sez “Monica”)

Yet in this thread there is a picture of the kids in a mock Floatilla (with Palestinian flags…and nasty messages to Israel). As well as HUGE signs saying “Boycott Israel” in Norwegian.

/quote

so where does a boycott of israel equate to a terror attack?

or flying a palestinian flag?

zionists are so full of shit!

the death star of david is a terrorist flag you have a history of ugly, evil, brutal terrorism in palestine, that is all you know.

the very day your nasty little state is wiped off the map will be a great day for humanity.

palestine was wiped off the map by zionism, if we wipe israel off the map we are wiping the map wipers off the map, this is a right and just thing to wish for and will happen.

nothing lasts for ever and the rothschild money power will one day be broken..that is the ONLY reason this colony exists..

bollos on July 30, 2011 at 10:07 am

Debbie… thank you! I had been twisted up in horrendous grief over the murder of innocent children. I condemn the Norway killer too but what you said opened my eyes to the fact that there is no good side in this war between violent ideologies. Thank you for having the courage to say it like it is!

Jeff P on July 29, 2011 at 12:18 pm

You poor ignorant Christians. You know nothing. Keep defending Israel and pray for the peace of Jerusalem even as we own your country, your congress and your media.

Who do you think let the Muslims and all the other minorities into America since 1964 ?

Hint: Start with a Jewish Republican senator from NY, Jacob Javits.

Seth Steinmetz on July 29, 2011 at 1:52 pm

Umm… Sean R. If I’m not mistaken, somewhere in the “Old” Testament, it did require people to take over enemy property, sometimes by force of arms. This would also apply to “infidels” who got in their way.

Unlike the Surahs in the Koran, the “New” Testament doesn’t abrogate the “Old”. Just saying. I may be wrong.

And are there still people posting DS-disses naked while typing with one hand? Sheesh, once again get off the meth.

The Reverend Jacques on July 29, 2011 at 3:08 pm

You guys seem to know a whole lot about Norway. A whole lot of things that you made up in your little sick heads. The Norwegian government should report this, this is basically internet terrorism against Norway. Funny that you have the picture of the Youth fraction of the Party SV (Socialist Left, youth union SU) and NOT the picture of the youth fraction of the Labour Party (AP/AUF), the youth organization that the kids who were massacred actually belonged to.

You seem to share a brain amongst yourselves, but that doesn’t make you harmless. This hatred can leed to terrorism and massacre, we just saw that. I just hope you realize a thing or two before you die. Oh so you now, Norwegian Jews morn the dead, because they’re Norwegians too.

I-Love-Oslo on July 29, 2011 at 7:21 pm

You’re really crazy Debbie. What’s so terrible about a bunch of kids having idealistic political views? They are just going by a fad and are too young to know different. Had they grown older, they might have jumped on some equally rotten neo-con wagon.
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You say that you don’t condone children as young as 14 being murdered for having political views that you would never have known anything about unless you went digging for it, yet you call it “karma”? Apparently being a kid with an opinion about a country is evil enough to merit an execution. How is this any different from a muslim fanatic hoping death on someone because of a comic strip?

Tell me what kind of bearing, on jews, has the opinion of a child in a far away land? How do you know that these kids wished harm on jews? If a bunch of jewish children died, would you think it’s OK if you found out that they had a negative opinion of the politics of a state? You can pick any state, such as Sierra Leone, Canada, Uruguay, Laos, Sweden etc.

Tell me do you have your head so far up the jew’s ass that the only country you even care to think about (other than USA) is Israel? And why? Why are their problems so important? I don’t see Israel giving a hell about the problems of everyone else. Is it because they control the media?

Finn on July 29, 2011 at 9:56 pm

I feel for the innocent people across the world who are murdered in any terrorist act! That includes both in Israel and the Palestines!

Now i might not have all the facts – but this is what i remember from my history class, and i’m sure you will correct me…

After the horrendous acts of the second world war againts jewish people, it was decided to create Israel in 1947. This meant taking land from surrounding countries and creating a new country. From what i understand today – much (but not all) of the conflict that today exists is because Israel and the Palestines are fighting for the same land…

Norway (among other countries) was part of discussions to create peace in this region in 1994/1995… to try to end the conflict and save innocent lives on all sides.

Ah – so much conflict arise when it comes to land…

A life lost in Israel is equally tragic as a life lost in the Palestines… just wanted to put that out there!!!

Would you feel bad for the innocent children killed in the terrorist attack in Norway if the sign on the picture had said “boicott the Palestines.” I’m assuming you would… cause who cares if an innocent Palestinian is murdered in the conflict that unfortunately still exists…

Well – i do! And so do many others!!!

Just an FYI – and i see that this has been addressed several times. You state a picture says more than a 1000 words – well look closely… the kids in the boat are not part of AUF.

oh – and just a thought – “boycott Israel” doesn’t equate “be violent and hurt people from Israel.”

But hey – we can’t all see the other side of the story… oh yes – there are always two sides…

You’re entitled to your opinion just like every else is – but you lack compassion and you obviously don’t respect that people have a different opinion than you.

I’m sure you’ve figured it out – Yes, i am Norwegian… i have friends from Israel, the Palestines, the middle east, Europe, Africa… and on and on we go. I condone violence against innocent people in any country – regardless of their political view or religion…

oh – and comparing Norwegian people to the Nazis… I’m sure the resistance and everyone who fought to keep the Norwegian jews safe – and the Norwegian jews who were saved by a fellow countryman would be appalled by your comment.

There will always be a bad seed in every country and in any religion… but should we really judge everyone of that country or religion based on that?

Have we all lost compassion for those who are not exactly like us…

I feel for ALL Innocent victims regardless of their political opinion, religion, ethnic background, gender, color…

How about we all try to stop the violence and hatred for others and actually try to make this world better…

Monica on July 29, 2011 at 10:00 pm

Debbie is just another neocon jew loyal to Israel. If as someone posted, Norwegians sheltered jews in the past, it was their mistake, one I hope they will never make again. BDS all the way!

SA on July 30, 2011 at 1:14 am

What other group is so utterly evil, they’ve been chased out of hundreds of places since the time of Ancient Rome? What other group is so evil that a country as refinced and civilized as Germany went off the deep end. What other group is so evil that women and children put bombs on themselves so they can die and take out these evil vermin? Answer, the “Satanic Tribe” known as jooz!

The holohoax is the biggest lie of the 20th century, but jooz deserve a complete extermination once and for all!

wallt235 on July 30, 2011 at 5:41 am

you can always tell when a zionist is lying, because you can see their lips move.

this amoral racist is ONLY against terrorism against israel. ANYONE else she will be a bystander and walk past and her comments about not feeling any pity for DEAD INNOCENT CHILDREN is truly shocking and ugly.

but she’s a zionist, so those are redundant judgments!

if the people you see in the following link called themselves “jewish” (like zionists call themselves), it would be the most terrible thing ever. because they are not jews or call themselves “jewish” (forget even that they are palestinians), it’s ok, or it’s their own fault: http://giwersworld.org/antisem/GAZA-pics/index.html

zionism is evil, it is supported by evil or stupid people. israelis are not nice people, they are cruel and heartless..the tiny minority of decent people in israel should give it up and go and live in america.

no crusader colony ever lasts, sure as night follows day this one will fail one glorious day in the future, as well.

bollos on July 30, 2011 at 10:01 am

hamas are merely palestinians “zionists”..

the irgun and the stern gang were “jewish” “hamas”s..

it’s the same thing..

zionists don’t understand what they support..they are maybe the worst example today of what they say they condemn..

bollos on July 30, 2011 at 10:14 am

Oh my God!! There were no high jackers on 9/11 .
I can see already just by that Debbie is pro – zionist .
Take a look at a building demolition / implosion . Then take a look at an explosion . Those buildings fell down on themselves ! We are still being sold the same old B S . Only thermite can melt steel in those buildings . These buildings were made earthquake proof . A plane cannot bring down thos ebuildings . And there has been a few cases of planes hitting buildings before . The Empire State building is one of them .People are waking up !

dieter krotzek on July 30, 2011 at 1:13 pm

I boycott Israeli products. Debbie, will you be cheer leading when somebody comes and bombs my house? I am really sick of this “god’s chosen people” BS pushed by Jews. “god’s chosen people” = “the master race”. I think if Jews would give up this racism, they would engender the respect of a great many people. Supporting a Palestinian State does not mean you oppose Isreal. Recall that the 1948 UN partition created two states. Jewish Supremacists in Israel are militarily occupying the Palestinian part of the partition and saying it belongs to them because some dirty “god” of theirs says so. Jewish supremacism and all forms of racial supremacism are wrong and the Pals legally are deserving of their own independent state as per the UN agreement. To call the (mostly Turkish) volunteers who were attempting to bring relief materials, food and medicine to the Gazans last year as “terrorists” shows the moral depravity that flows through your veins. Was it not the Pope who referred to Gaza as an “open air concentration camp”? I guess, Debbie, you will say that the Pope is a Nazi too? Get the facts on what really happened in Norway at johndenugent.com (or .org) See the pictures of all the victims, all white faces except for 2 and then ask yourself why a “white supremacist” would kill all those beautiful white kids who were boycotting Israel.

john king on July 30, 2011 at 1:48 pm

Everyone is entitled to their opinions… but:

The first picture is in fact from Utøya the day before the attack. The norwegian Labor Party (Arbeiderpartiet) and its youth party AUF has always been split on the issue of Israel/Palestine. If you’d known anything about norwegian politics, you’d know that.

The second picture is not of the AUF at all!

It is SU=Sosialistisk Ungdom=Socialist Youth, which is the youth organization of the SV=Sosialistisk Venstreparti=Socialist Left Party. I’m not sure when this picture was staged, but it is completely unrelated to AUF, Utøya and 2011, and therefore ONLY included for disinformation purposes, and provoked emotional response from the reader.

SV has always been strong supporters of the creation of the Palestine state, and the SU youths have always been known to be more radical than their grown up leaders (as most youth organizations are). This is ALSO very well known, if you’d known anything about the norwegian political landscape, this shouldn’t come as a surprise.

The fact that our foreign minster supports the Palestine state doesn’t mean he is antisemitic. Except in your head:

Jonas Gahr Støre is one of the better foreign minsters we’ve ever had, because he supports tolerance and international relations, but not on the expense of what is right. And giving the palestine population a place to call their own is the right thing to do, and a lot of norwegians agree with him (both labor voters and others)

It does NOT mean that Israel has to be elimiated or eradicated or any other violent equivalent… but they may have to give up some of the land they were given in the unthinking post-ww2 haste, and try to find some common ground with their arabic neighbors.

BUT no matter if you disagree with their political views, do you think that these people…
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/ofre/
…deserve to die? Seriously?

Because if you do, you are plain evil. Or at least severely misguided.

And if jewish people in general, or the Israeli state, supports the killing of these people… What makes you ANY better than HAMAS or even Al Qaeda?

And if ANY criticism against Israel or her politics is anti semitic, then you need to adjust that particular definition.

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This blog “article” is propaganda… or perhaps just a tasteless attempt to get more “clicks”(?), and you know it.

TruthBeTold aka Norwegian mourning the dead

PS: I expect this comment to be deleted, or at least never responded to, but I hope you read it and realize what you’re actually saying… and how your actions reflect on the jewish people.

TruthBeTold on July 30, 2011 at 2:04 pm

Your comments on the shootings in Norway are offensive and reprehensible. What you are in effect saying is that anyone who disagrees with Israel and supports the Palestinians deserves to die. I am 100% against anti semitism. At the same time I am totally against what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinian people and indeed if the Israelis were more reasonable and open to the idea of sharing land, including Jerusalem with the Palestinians there would be no Hamas – extremism on one side causes extremism on the other. Many, many more Palestinians have died in the conflict than Israelis – that is a fact.Your fascist remarks about the shooting of innocent teenagers in Norway because there was a sign saying “boycott Israel” was incredible – people like you are responsible for so much hatred and unhappiness arounfd the world – your views put you in the same camp as nazis, extreme jewish nationalists, islamic terrorists and all the others who thrive on hatred and prejudice. Hopefully one day people like you will just be remebered as strange racist oddities who failed to percieve the common humanity in all of us,

Glen Hague

Glen Hague on July 30, 2011 at 2:29 pm

Glen Hague sez:

“What you are in effect saying is that anyone who disagrees with Israel and supports the Palestinians deserves to die. I am 100% against anti semitism.”

Poor sanctimonious Glen doesn’t get it. I’ll speak for myself: if you support Nazis–e.g., Muslims–your life has no value for me. You cannot support the Muslims that we call Fakestinians and also oppose anti-Semitism because Islam is inherently anti-Semitic. The Fakes are the vanguard of Islam. I rejoice when Fakes are killed, and I smile when there defenders are.

Ok, Glen?

skzion on July 31, 2011 at 7:22 pm

I meant “their,” not “there.”

skzion on July 31, 2011 at 7:24 pm

Clearly, you fail to see the big picture through the haze of your own bigotry.

The reason Norway supports Palestine is simple. They were there first. Then the jews were given their own country by the United Nations, stuck right where there already lived a group of people. Obviously, the jews deserved some form of compensation for the atrocities that were committed during WWII. However, they couldn’t manage to live in peace, come to some sort of compromise, with the Palestinians. During the 70s, Norway as a whole were pro-Israel. As Israel continued their wars, they continued to oppress the Palestines, a people suddenly without a country. Palestines are now much like the jews before and during WWII, except they’re not placed in huge deathcamps waiting to be slayed. Instead, they are placed in ghettos, walled out from quite a prosperous state, and bombed at least once a year.

Terrorism breeds terrorism, my friends. War breeds war, which is why the United States has been involved in some kind of war ever since its foundation. Your country was founded upon ideas of democracy, yet this ideal, the American dream, is dissipating into several cases of nationwide paranoia and right-wing fascism. The United States of America is much closer to right-wing fascism than Norway is.

Take the Utøya-killings as an example. A right-wing fascist attacks a socialdemocratic youth party, with plans to carry out even more attacks. How do we react? We’re angry. Matter of fact, we’re pissed off. We’re sad. It’s an attack on our country as a whole. How do we treat this guy? We lock him up. We’ll give him a humane trial. There will be no death penalty. We didn’t even consider reinstating the death penalty for this man, simply because it’s against OUR DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES. We stand firm with what we believe in.

You think Israel is untouchable because it’s run by jews. It’s not. In fact, their religious orientation doesn’t even matter. We Norwegians see past religion. It’s one of the greatest things about this nation, our extreme freedom of religion. See, if someone in the US says they’re a muslim, you instantly think they’re a terrorist threat, meanwhile they’re even less extreme than their Christian counterparts. Now, I won’t deny that there is religious dogmatism in Norway as well, but it isn’t even close to what it is in the US.

You use the n-word, NAZI, so freely, yet you have no understanding of what it means. You weren’t even touched by nazism, yet you throw this word around like a racquetball. The political youth parties in Norway is part of the foundations of democracy in Norway. Every party is allowed to have a youth party, and every youth party is independently run. The only connection between the youth parties and their senior parties, is the fact that the youth parties officially sympathize with the views of their seniors, and thus there is an affiliation. There is absolutely no indoctrination whatsoever within these parties. I’d like to underline that I am not a member of any of the youth parties involved, nor any of the political parties. I vote during elections, and that’s it.

The youth parties help us establish the democracy. It teaches the youth of our nation the principles of democracy at the most intimate levels. We have school elections. No “school president” or any of that non-sensical monkey business about popularity and who gets to take the prom queen home for the night. We have political elections. They serve no purpose other than to teach the youth of Norway how to vote, and to drill the principles of democracy, so that future generations can take what we have now, and perfect it.

I’m sorry to say, but when you compare our nation to nazis, simply because we sympathize with Palestinians, it shows just how insensitive you are. To accuse someone of being a Nazi, is accusing someone of having distinct political beliefs. When you wrote this article of yours, you clearly lacked the understanding of what it means to be a nazi. To further worsen things, you clearly lacked an understanding of the democratic principles upon which Norways is built, and the principles upon which the Norwegian Labor Party, and the Labor’s Youth Party were founded.

I can’t take you seriously, but I know Americans and their small-mindedness too well, to the point that I realize that you must be. And it hurts me to see that a nation so great, has inhabitants that are so sectarian.

The American model for democracy is dead.

Norwegian on July 30, 2011 at 3:22 pm

Thank you, Norwegian, for your heartfelt comment. Of course, nearly every sentence of yours contains factual error, or an error in reasoning. (Who can take you seriously when you start off saying that the Fakes were in Eretz Israel before the Jews?)

What is amusing, though, is that you expect those who regard you as a Nazi to sympathize with your Nazi dead. Who cares, really, about you and your countrymen? Your country is a very young democracy that has always been protected by the US. Your idiotic conception of how a democratic republic should be managed is leading to your own subjugation by Islam. This, too, is karma.

skzion on July 31, 2011 at 7:36 pm

Agreed. WHITE PRIDE WORLD WIDE! I love Stormfront. Still, we should stop banging on about the “Evil Nazis,” and learn about the REAL evil. That is the Jews and their communism. Ye are of your father the Devil..”

Talmudburner on July 30, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Talmudburner, you are also a truthburner as well. The Nazis were indeed evil. The Jews, on the other hand, are staunchly anti-evil and pro-good. Of course, you know this as that’s the real reason why you hate the Jewish people. You see, if the Jews really were evil, you’d support them, but as I said, they have always been anti-evil and that’s the real reason why you hate the Jews.

As far as your claim of a Jewish-Communist conspiracy is concerned, that is a lie. There may have been some Communists who were Jews by birth, or who are said to be Jewish by Hitler’s definition, but not the Jewish definition, but they were acting as Communists, not Jews, and were themselves anti-Semites. Communism is itself anti-Semitic because while they go by the doctrine that everyone should receive the same amount of wealth and the rich are automatically evil, Judaism says that how much wealth one receives depends on hard they worked to earn it.

Since you claim to oppose one form of evil (Communism) while supporting the other (Nazism, and/or hating Jews generally), I hate to break to you, but a lot stronger case could be made for a Nazi-Communist collaboration than is the notion of a Jewish-Commuinist one (refuted above). For the former I will leave you with just three words: Hitler-Stalin pact.

JeffE on July 30, 2011 at 9:46 pm

What???? So because the young people on Utöya didn’t think that Israel shall treat the palestinians as shit, they deserve to be executed???? I wonder who is playing nazi…? Moron!

Linda on July 30, 2011 at 7:27 pm

So because the young people on Utöya didn’t think that Israel shall treat the palestinians as ****, they deserve to be executed????

Nobody suggests that Israel should treat the “Palestinians” as ****. Israel provides water and electricity for Gaza, while Gaza provides rockets for Ashdod and S’derot. Israel stands endlessly willing to give the now-so-called “Palestinians” a SECOND autonomous homeland, besides Jordan, if the now-so-called “Palestinians” will just agree to quit killing Jews for five minutes. Books packed with “Palestinian” propaganda are published by Israeli universities. The naive, ignorant, brainwashed dimwits on Utoya thought that because the Jews in Israel wouldn’t let the Arabs walk in and slaughter them, the Jews deserved to be slaughtered, or at least boycotted. These young people did NOT deserve to be shot by a psychopath.

Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 5:58 am

Another excellent post, Debbie. It seems that the truth that you reported here are very hurtful to the trolls lurking here, which of course, are the trolls’ problem.

JeffE on July 30, 2011 at 9:29 pm

To the Norwegians who posted here trolling against Debbie and finding the truth that she reported to be hurtful, I want to post the kind of response that the Norwegians should make in response to this post:

“On behalf of all Norwegians, we want to apologize to both Israel and the Jewish people for the way that we have been acting. We were mindlessly opposed to Israel and supported boycotts and worse against Israel and excused the Palestinian terrorist acts against Israel by citing what we wrongly believe to be Israel’s occupation of the territories that Israel captured in 1967 and that we mindlessly wanted to believe the Palestinian Arabs to be the good guys in the conflict and Israel the bad guys. Now that we suffered a terrorist attack, we now know how Israel must feel and how much pain that they must feel everytime we excuse the terror attacks against them. Our knowledge of the history of Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict only dates to the 1940’s, or at most, the 1900’s for those most educated among us. We will rectify this by studying the history of Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict going back to its origins studying not only the Bible, but also secular histories and study websites like this one. In the meanwhile, we will now be supportive of Israel and recognize its right to exist and fight against anyone trying to destroy her.

Once again, our apologies to Israel and the Jewish people.”

A good start would then be made by reading from the following links:

On the origins of so-called “Palestine”:

http://tinyurl.com/3b6kaw8

How Israel’s history didn’t start in 1947 (or even 1900):

http://tinyurl.com/3h39w5x

JeffE on July 30, 2011 at 10:39 pm

Miss Schussel is right. All enemies of Israel deserve to die just as they wish all Jews to die. The anti-semites are not within the so-called far right of Europe and America, but within the left wing socialist parties. It is the left-wing in England that calls for boycotts against Israel, it is left-wing governments in Scandinavia that support Hamas and othe arab terror groups. In England the EDL, described as “neo-nazis” by left-wing media wave Israeli flags when demonstrating against muslim extremists, they also have a majority Jewish leadership–so how can they be “neo-nazis”?
Breivik will one day be a hero to te Jewish people.

Leo Caesius on July 30, 2011 at 11:55 pm

Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917.

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country”.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour

“it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”

All high and mighty and a complete FAIL to consider just how mislead we have been into believing Israel has a right to exist. It had a right to exist based on the above and it broke that agreement at every level. Throw the whole weight of the International Criminal Court (ICC) at Israel and HAMAS and see who is responsible for the greater number of atrocities. What has Israel to fear from the ICC, it’s a perfect little angel as debbie says so?
4 million refugees
60,000 homes destroyed
Theft of nuclear technology from the US
1987 to 2010
7978 (1620) Palestinians Killed
1503 (142) Israelis Killed
(under 18yo)

My heart bleeds for the Jews in Israel they are so hard done by!

You need to grow up debbie and do some factual research and stop being a mouth piece for evil!

Yani on July 31, 2011 at 5:30 am

Many of my best friends are ‘self hating jews’. A term the lying Zionist developed to slag off at anyone critical of Israel abysmal human rights record.

Of all the anti-Semitic bullcrap in the world by far the most foul is generated within Israel.

http://www.masada2000.org/

You must be particularly proud of this site Jonathan as it names and shames thousands of first rate Jews and human rights supporters.

Israel is nothing but a lie of humanity based on the false belief that god write real estate contracts with selfish twats governed by psychopaths. HAMAS is little more than what happen when good people are abused for 63+ years. Israel is a pariah state that leaches on humanity through lies, decent and utterly selfish Jewish dogma that everyone in the world should deal with and put to an end. And the ‘self-hating Jews’, the international human rights movement and courageous governments like the Norwegians intend to ensure that is what happens.

Yani on July 31, 2011 at 5:49 am

Many of my best friends are ‘self hating jews’. A term the lying Zionist developed to slag off at anyone critical of Israel abysmal human rights record.

Dear Yawni (You’re putting me to sleep.): What abysmal human rights record? Are you sure you’re not thinking of Syria? It’s right next door.

Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 9:56 am

Many of my best friends are ‘self hating jews’. A term the lying Zionist developed to slag off at anyone critical of Israel’s abysmal human rights record.

Dear Yawni (You’re putting me to sleep.): What abysmal human rights record? Are you sure you’re not thinking of Syria? It’s right next door.

Didn’t your second grade teacher ever tell you what an apostrophe was?

And the ‘self-hating Jews’, the international human rights movement and courageous governments like the Norwegians intend to ensure that is what happens.

Yani on July 31, 2011 at 5:49 am

I don’t believe the Norwegian government has the courage to, as they say in Anne Rivers Siddons novels, spit in a privy.

Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 9:56 am

Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 10:06 am

Yani,

Miranda Rose Smith has already responded to most of what you said, but I actually want to give you credit for something. The Masada2000 website that you linked to is an excellent website. It’s just a shame that you linked it with disapproval. I suggest that you and others who share your viewpoint visit the website not only for the list of self-hating Jews, but also to demolish the lie that Israel is somehow waging war against the so-called “Palestinians” but instead reports the truth that is instead the Arabs/Muslims–including the so-called “Palestinians”–are the ones waging a war against Israel and the Jewish people. It also exposes the lie that Israel displaced anyone. It is actually a good idea to read those latter materials first and then read about the Self-Hating-and/or Israel Threatening Jews list and other related materials last. Then one can get the idea of how and why these JINOs (Jews-In-Name-Only), far from being “first rate Jews and human rights supporters” are instead scum and what the capital letters of the words “Self-Hating-and/or Israel Threatening” says.

JeffE on July 31, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Debbie,
I don´t know you or your views, but from reading your 2 posts on the Utøya massacre I sense the same hate and narrow perspective as the mass murderer shows.

Have you or your sources ever been to Utøya or met any of these kids?

How you can sit there in front of your screen and lay judgement upon 6-700 people, mostly youths you never met or know anything about is to me totally unforgivable.

You don´t know that some or all of these kids even support a boycott of Israel or anything else, just because some of them may do and they promote their views?
These kids attend to this camp because they believe they can make a difference in Norway and elsewhere, both against anti semitism, islamic terrorism and other crimes to mankind based on differences like skin color, religion or culture.

While you and your likes are the totally opposite, nurturing hate and spreading false accusations with no root in reality.
Shame on you!

The T-shirt you are so angry about says “Tear down the wall!”, what is so terrible about that?
Any person that prefer peace before war would agree that any wall separating people is a crime to humanity.

If you choose hate as your weapon, you will never win and to quote Manic Street Preachers great song, “If you tolerate this, your children will be next”!

Hate can only destruct, but goodness towards a stranger will build the greatest castle man has ever seen!

Good luck to you!

And may these peoples sacrifice never be forgotten, may they rest in peace, I love you!

Chris Wang on July 31, 2011 at 8:57 am

I think boycotting entire nations is rather silly and as such I never participate in any boycotting, however I am Muslim and if somebody told me they were boycotting Saudi Arabia or Pakistan I would find that quite reasonable as those countries are responsible for a tremendous amount of human and women’s rights abuse; it’s not anti-Islam or anti-Muslim to boycott Muslim nations, many of which are authoritarian hellholes. Then how, Ms.Schlussel, is it anti-semitic to boycott Israel? And how is boycotting Israel akin to Jew killing or Jew hatred?
If one disagrees with Israel’s politics, why should he/she be killed for that? How are you, an “enlightened, civilized” American, any better than the “Jew-killers” and “Nazis” you rant about if you sentence anyone with political views unlike yours to death?
You are one disgusting human being. The killing of innocent children is never justifiable. If these were a bunch of Jewish kids holding up “kill Palestinians” signs I’m sure you’d be mourning their deaths (as would I) however if they are children who don’t support Israel they deserve to die.
As has already been pointed out, the young people with the Palestinian flags are part of the socialist party’s youth wing while those who were massacred were part of the Labour party’s youth wing.

Anticipated Serendipity on July 31, 2011 at 11:42 am

Breivik was a Mossad operative he even visited Israel!

6 Million More on July 31, 2011 at 1:33 pm

Dear Deborah,

By writing articles like this you damage Israeli cause and support more than all Far Left newspapers in the world all together.Bare in mind that people hating someone for his race or religion is always hating Jews as well. Over the years we will discover the real face of most of so called Judeo-Christians defensors. Crusaders will never be friends of Jews – have we lost our memory?

Andrea on July 31, 2011 at 3:38 pm

Andrea, you darling Muslima, don’t you have a clitoridectomy to perform?

skzion on July 31, 2011 at 7:03 pm

“The Masada2000 website that you linked to is an excellent website.”

What it is is Zionist bullshit, half truths and absolute anti-Semitism from within the Jewish population that is beyond contempt.

Yani on July 31, 2011 at 5:01 pm

One more thing, Yani. My philosophy is, anyone who says that (X) is B.S., needs to prove it with at least one example–preferably more. Concerning the excellent website that YOU introduced and say that it is B.S.–prove it. Especially, concerning what it says about Zionism and “Palestine”, name one thing that the website says that is not true, and what the truth is instead (snicker).

Also, as far as the Self-Hating and/or Israel Threatening Jews who you are so in love with are concerned, as one of the audio clips of the website that YOU introduced pointed out, one of the miracles of the Jewish people is that not only have they survived for 2000 plus years against such vermin as the pagan Egyptians, Romans, Nazis, who were one time were powerful, but now no longer exist (thank G-d) but have also overcome the traitors within their own people who has been within them since at least Isaiah.

JeffE on August 1, 2011 at 9:45 pm

Dear Yawni (You’re putting me to sleep.): What abysmal human rights record? Are you sure you’re not thinking of Syria? It’s right next door.

Didn’t your second grade teacher ever tell you what an apostrophe was?

And the ‘self-hating Jews’, the international human rights movement and courageous governments like the Norwegians intend to ensure that is what happens.
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And this is how it goes with you lot! I give you facts and immediately you go on the ad-hominem attack because the facts don't match the wonderful perfection of your Jewish selfishness. There is never a sign of 'maybe we could do better' just 'we are the Jews and god gave us this land and we will have our genocide on the balance of the population that isn't Jewish to get it'. With of course 'we are the poor Jews that Hitler tried to kill so we deserve it'.

Load of crap! It's 2011, grow up! Comparisons to other middle east countries don't stand up or have anything to do with the issue. It's comparisons to world values that are what is of concern. And were I an American it would be the $2 trillion sucked from the US economy and the inevitably the poor in the US.

Israel is a cancer on international human rights just as South Africa was before it. Israelis don't get to be judged against other middle east nations because Israelis are not Arabs, Israelis don't lack an educated population, Israelis are not ruled by those who weren't chosen to lead them.

Israel plays way above its weight in international affairs and enacts genocide at the local level.

Let's take one instance, the bombing of the American International School in Gaza. The claim being it was used as a weapons store from which rockets were fired. Total rubbish, the school was managed to the nth and there is zero evidence of any wrong doing. What is was was a beacon of hope that a limited number of kids in Gaza might live an normal life and has aspirations of normality. It was bombed to the ground because normality and Gaza will not be allowed under Israeli control. The school had previously been attacked by Islamic fundamentalist for being progressive. $7 million of education infrastructure destroyed that now can't be rebuilt due to restrictions on building materials.

You think the people in the world are as easy to corrupt as the US political system? You think Jews that give a damn about being represented as quality intellectuals are going to ignore genocide to remain off the S. H. I. T. List. Not so! Being on the S. H. I. T. List is seen as a reward for your contribution to peace! The premise of 'god gave us this land' and 'we have a right to ethnic cleansing to boot' is unacceptable to many Orthodox Jews, Jewish Intellectuals and the Peace Movement. It doesn't work for Gore Vidal and it doesn't work for me!

Yani on July 31, 2011 at 6:07 pm

And this is how it goes with you lot! I give you facts and immediately you go on the ad-hominem attack because the facts don’t match the wonderful perfection of your Jewish selfishness.

Dear Yawni: I didn’t see a single fact anywhere in any of your postings.

Miranda Rose Smith on August 1, 2011 at 6:02 am

Re: Yani at 6:07 pm.

I don’t know where to begin.

Well, first, when you say that Israel commits genocide against the “Palestinian” Arabs, do you mean like this incident of beheading an infant?

http://tinyurl.com/6777xop

and

http://tinyurl.com/6777xop

Oh wait a minute. That were “Palestinians” doing this against an Israeli baby. Does your favorite Jews, the ones that I call JINOs but who you think are such wonderful people–did they condemn this incident?

Meanwhile, rather than my going tit for tat with you in arguing that this Israeli action or that Israeli action against Hamas/Fatah was justified or not, how about asking you if you and your favorie Jews were In Israel’s shoes, of trying to make peace with the Arabs by giving up land and offering to give up more, and all you get in return are rocket attack and terror attacks and slaughtering infants, what would you/they do? What would any country do? Would their be any act of self-defense on Israel’s part that would meet your approval? Or do you and your favorite Jews think that the Jews of Israel should surrender and march right into the gas chambers? If you were to say the latter, then neither I, nor any other decent human being, will have nothing more to say to you.

JeffE on July 31, 2011 at 7:08 pm

Hi Debbie,

Please delete my 7:08 post that is awaiting moderation. The one here should replace it.

Re: Yani at 6:07 pm.

I don’t know where to begin.

Well, first, when you say that Israel commits genocide against the “Palestinian” Arabs, do you mean like this incident of beheading an infant?
http://tinyurl.com/3r5vubn

and

http://tinyurl.com/6777xop

Oh wait a minute. Those were “Palestinians” doing this against an Israeli baby. Does your favorite Jews, the ones that I call JINOs but who you think are such wonderful people–did they condemn this incident?
Meanwhile, rather than my going tit for tat with you in arguing that this Israeli action or that Israeli action against Hamas/Fatah was justified or not, how about asking you if you and your favorite Jews were In Israel’s shoes, of trying to make peace with the Arabs by giving up land and offering to give up more, and all you get in return are rocket attack and terror attacks and slaughtering infants, what would you/they do? What would any country do? Would there be any act of self-defense on Israel’s part that would meet your approval? Or do you and your favorite Jews think that the Jews of Israel should surrender? If you were to say the latter, then neither I, nor any other decent human being, will have anything more to say to you.

JeffE on July 31, 2011 at 8:13 pm

Debbie is a vile hate filled woman. The fact that she is still allowed to be accepted in the mainstream after hateful screeds like this testifies to the fact that jews are not expected to play by the same rules as the rest of us. The precious little oppressed victims get a pass because of the holocaust. They get special treatment because of something plenty of people have faced throughout history, genocide. And these shameful hypocrites see nothing wrong with using the holocaust to silence the critics who speak of their human rights violations.

Samantha on July 31, 2011 at 7:18 pm

Debbie Schlussel you are a ugly sick gene reject Zionist bitch! You are grown ready for Auschwitz already!

hunter on July 31, 2011 at 7:39 pm

“ignoring the fact that Jews were hated before 1948”

Perhaps ‘the Jews’ should look to pre 1948 and why they were ‘hated’ and deal with those issues. That sort of reflection on Jewish history is the process that ensures it isn’t repeated.

It is a choice to be more a Jewish fascist than to be a member of global humanity. It is a choice to behave with responsibility and ethics that goes beyond the tribe. The world is not made of 2 tribes the Jews and the Goy. The world is a collective construction of humanity. You either participate in a world where ‘no one is free until everyone is free’ or you participate in racism, religious divisions, sex discrimination and prejudice. You can’t fight for humanity and hand an exemption card to the Jews.

None of you have responded to a single point.

1. The state of Israel is in breach with the agreement that enabled it to come into being.

2. None Jewish Israelis, IE those born within the undefined boarders of a state without a constitution, are suffering at the hands of Zionism.

3. More Jewish Israelis die in car accidents (550 per year on average) even in the worst year of violence than by the hands of non-Jewish Israelis. (I haven’t seen any signs of missile strikes on parked cars.)

4. Jewish Israelis are prevented from marriage to non-Jews. A clear sign state entrenched racism.

People write books on how sick the state of Israel is! Our ability to vent utter contempt for your Jewish Racism is clearly limited in the context of internet posts. Instead of this ‘poor me’ bullcrap, it is past time for Jews to deal with the real issues within Jewish practice and face up to the 21st. century, with human rights and modernity. As the many Jews on the S. H. I. T. List are doing.

Yani on July 31, 2011 at 7:59 pm

Yani,

I posted a response to your 6:07 pm post, but my comment is awaiting moderation. I let Debbie know and I am sure that she will show it soon, so please stay tuned. In the meantime, if you haven’t seen a response to any of our points, it’s not due to my lack of trying.

JeffE on July 31, 2011 at 8:45 pm

my second to last part should read: “if you haven’t seen a response to any of your points,…”

JeffE on July 31, 2011 at 8:47 pm

Update:

My two posts are now posted. Thank you, Debbie.

JeffE on August 1, 2011 at 8:58 am

Yani, you really are a sick puppy. In fairness, your writing is so bad that it is sometimes impossible to understand you.

“Perhaps ‘the Jews’ should look to pre 1948 and why they were ‘hated’ and deal with those issues. That sort of reflection on Jewish history is the process that ensures it isn’t repeated.”

Yani dear, maybe Muslims should ask why THEY are hated. The Fakestinians surely are hated–rightly so, in my view. The native Europeans are hated throughout the Dar al-Islam. Hatred is part of the human condition, which you would understand intuitively if you were human rather than a walking anti-Semitic infection. You see, Yawni honey, ‘the Jews’ did understand, finally, that Jewish history would always be gruesome without a Jewish state. That is because minorities are almost always vilified because they CAN be, and Judaism will always be a minority faith.

One Big Lie that should stick out even to you:

“4. Jewish Israelis are prevented from marriage to non-Jews. A clear sign state entrenched racism.”

No, you fiend. It’s just that rabbis and imams have control over whom they will marry, and in Israel, rabbis are Orthodox. Orthodox rabbis and (most) Muslim imams will not accept marriage outside the faith. Indeed, I believe Catholic priests won’t do so either (but I may be wrong). Any Jew who really wants to marry an Amalekite can do what many Israeli Jews do when they want a secular marriage: go to another country and get married, then return. Such marriages are fully recognized.

Anyway Yani, you subliterate slime, I’ve spent far too much time on you.

skzion on August 1, 2011 at 6:14 pm

This article is beyond offensive. It is simply indefensible. Can you imagine the response if on 9/11, someone in Norway had posted something to the tune of: “Those Americans deserved this; it was karma for all the harm they’ve done in the world”? You and others would have gone ballistic.

You bring shame on yourself and this country. I hope no one in Norway reads this trash, and if they do, I hope that they understand that this is your unique mental illness, not a general sentiment shared by other Americans.

There are no words to describe how much you disgust me. You are an advocate for terrorism. You owe the parents of these slain children a public apology.

I will call attention to this article and ask others to publicly condemn it and you.

MM: Americans don’t support Islamic terrorism, then get outraged–OUTRAGED!–when that terrorism is turned on them. Nice try but no cigar with your faux-moralist attempt at comparison. There is no comparison. Norwegians play with HAMAS and FATAH snakes, they get bitten. I can’t help it that they got bitten by a copperhead instead of the rattlers they are having sex with. Nuck Forway and the Forwegian Nazis. DS

morning's minion on July 31, 2011 at 10:53 pm

You are clearly mentally unhinged. Your response didn’t even make sense. Trying joining the world of rational people who don’t kowtow to hatred and cultivate fear. It must be very sad and very lonely to live like this.

morning's minion on August 1, 2011 at 12:18 am

Just to be clear. You support the mass murder of children.

Malcolm French+ on August 1, 2011 at 12:24 am

I Am quite horrified by Your writing.

Jews as You choose the term, are also Israelis [ref boycott sign]and you teach us all to lump you all together as a group – & forget an individual being.
Israel has done unspeakable & despicable things to it’s neighbors.
You have now taught me to hold all Jews accountable for the acts of Israel. Real food for thought.

Jews, like You, seem incapable of understanding “do unto others, as you would have them do unto you”. You cannot understand ‘that which you resist will persist’. You appear to be devoid of any humanity.

I Am moved by your writing to call for a total boycott of all Israeli goods sold in South Africa – and will ensure your piece is seen and read – juxtaposed with pictures of Israeli brutality in Gaza & the West Bank.

I shall also forward links to influential Egyptians urging them to more fully open access to Palestinians from their territory.

In one fell swoop You have certainly alienated any sympathy I still had for Israelis. Israel will be proud of You.

Fortunately I know individual Jewish people who are kind and caring humans.

Ian Jankielsohn on August 1, 2011 at 1:20 am

Who do you think you’re kidding, Ian? You’re a Jew-hater plain and simple. You just think that Jews should smile & take it and are terribly offended when we won’t.

BTW, how is South Africa working out for you? I’m surprised your land hasn’t been seized yet. Anyway, keep it up! Given the incidence of AIDS there, soon whites will be a majority there.

skzion on August 1, 2011 at 6:20 pm

This article is disgusting and I believe its author has serious mental problems.

Dan on August 1, 2011 at 1:25 am

Like the Lara Logan thread, another army of trolls here to condemn Debbie for not tearing up for Jew haters, be it Logan or Norwegian anti-Semites!!!

Since they don’t normally visit or comment here, what brings them here on such occasions? CAIR bellyaching? Or notifications in loonwatch?

Infidel Pride on August 1, 2011 at 1:32 am

Wow.

It is true. Jews have become the nazis.

Well done Debbie dear.

wow on August 1, 2011 at 2:22 am

Shut this place down immediately. Disgusting. “Free-speech” run amok in the same vein as “Pastor” Terry Jones.

Djmcs11 on August 1, 2011 at 3:33 am

You are not an American, are you, Djmcs11?

Well, in any case, since you are anti-Free Speech and want to silence people, how about if we begin with your own speech.

Djmcs11: “What? My speech? Are you crazy?! I only want my opponents’ speech to be silenced, not my own. Free speech for me, but not for thee! Besides, don’t you know how horrible this article is?”

Me: Really? I see nothing wrong this this article other than that she’s telling a truth, albeit a painful one for you. But since you seem to think that there is, would you please use your free speech to tell me what’s wrong with the article?

Djmcs11: “No, I can’t. That’s precisely why I want this site shut down. She’s writes things that I oppose, but yet at the same time it’s unanswerable and irrefutable. My bad ideas can’t trump over her good ideas with free speech, so therefore the only way for my bad ideas to trump her good ideas is to censor her good ideas.”

Me: Well, at least you are now honest.

JeffE on August 1, 2011 at 9:33 am

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