PS- HYDRA came into fruition long after World War II in the Marvel Comic universe. Baron Strucker created HYDRA as a substitute to the Nazis and he was the head of it. Occasionally the Red Skull would enlist the aid of Hydra after World War II but he was never of member of any terrorist organization. He would plot and scheme on his own and enlisting or “joining” terrorists to further his agenda.

Mario on July 24, 2011 at 9:54 am

The filmmakers can make any movie they want. They have simply chosen to rewrite real history and the history of comics. Cap was created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby and exploded on the scene in 1941 several months BEFORE Pearl Harbor launched the U.S. into WWII. Cap’s unapologetic role was to fight the Axis and Hitler is featured on the very first cover getting decked. This was a clear call for America to get into the war. Cap has fought Nazis his entire 60+ year career in comics. It is his reason for existing. The current movie wipes clean any symbols which may have been used by the Nazis and part of me wonders if the parent companies Marvel and Disney are too squeamish to include them or it is a highly calculated effort to count seats in theaters worldwide. I am curious as to why this was done…

Rick Arthur on July 26, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Don;t you know? Nazi symbols are banned in Germany and Europe as well. They listen to the panderers and pander to the people in Europe so that they will sell it to them over in Europe. That’s all they’re doing here. To make it “acceptable” for Europe. They would not censor Soviet symbols, to censor the Nazi sign is to censor history. We have to preserve history for future generations, no matter how bad it might be and this puritanical stuff with the Nazis makes me sick to my stomach.

They’re censoring history because they HATE World War II because it makes America and the good old American values heroic and look like heroes, which the far-left hates, like the clowns in Hollywood. In Europe, they censor anything about America’s role in World War II, and call people who loved America bring them freedom as “Nazis” or “Fascists” by the same “Antifa” group that hates Western Civilization and values and calls anyone who preserves them as Nazis. That’s the mentality of the far-left to discredit our freedom and our values to revise our history to make themselves look good.

Can anyone say “psuedohistory?” for their own gain.

This is a revisionist slam on World War II history, they hate their grandfathers and fathers that gave them freedom in World War II, which is why the far-left hates anyone with a pair of balls that fights for their freedom, then calls them fascists and accuses the World War II veterans of fighting for ” Jim Crow” racism and segregation of blacks, then tries to discredit our World War II veterans in such a fashion.

I am really sick of this BS from the far-left. Please STOP THE HATE and stop the hatred of World War II veterans and their values and spitting on the values that we hold true and cherish to this day, that they don’t.

The far-left that calls our World War II veterans cause as bullshit and the far-left that says that the Polish Forces in exile in World War II is “Bullshit about Poland” from a moron I knew on the internet who had a degree in history from Stanford University. Yeah right, and all that revisionist garbage that they teach makes me sick. He asks me if my middle name is bullshit because I espouse a traditional, pro-American viewpoint of fighting for freedom and brave Polish men and I do not believe that the Poles blindly submitted to the Nazis, when so many of them fought back for freedom in the Battle of Britain and Battle of France, which that guy calls “bullshit”

The far-left hates traditional values and considers the values that we fought for to liberate the world from Fascism as “bullshit” and they call the History Channel the Hitler Channel because of its pro-American stance in World War II to call our veterans, “Nazis” it makes me sick to my stomach. The far-left are the most rephrehensible human beings on this planet to call our World War II troops as murderers and war criminals. It sickens you to death, don’t it?

Patchman123 on July 26, 2011 at 6:52 pm

The far-left considers us to be racist against the Japanese, they were racist towards us and that a girl from Europe told me that preserving history for fututre generations is “bullshit” and all that while listening to her hip hop music.

THE FAR LEFT racist assholes who think that we fought for racist white men make ME PUKE! I HOPE THESE PUDDLES OF PUKE like living in a world ruled by Hitler and Hirohito because they would have, oh they would have! The latest tripe from an Asian studies department revises our current American history about the Pacifi War, calling the current history as written by racist white men, and retold from a globalist perspective.

These fucking puritans want to revise history and censor traditional history, which they call “pseudohistory” and all that disgusting revisionist hate-filled tripe that passes for curriculum. I am sickened to death, that a pro-Japanese history that denies Japanese atrocities and glorifies their brutal wars of conquest against the Pacific nations and the Allied powers is passed off as real history. These people sicken me to death. To call us “racists” for preserving World War II history and preservers who hold on to these values as exremists. They should thank their grandfathers sometime, If their ass isn’t stuck up their “politically correct” brain.

Honoring our troops is not politically correct. These haters of our veterans and tradtional Western viewpoints on World War II that fought and died for their freedom to label anyone who preserves World War II history as “Nazis and racists and haters and filled with hate” IS DISGUSTING. It’s history, if we don’t preserve it, we lose it forever and HAVE NOTHING to pass on and we must preserve it for future generations.

These assholes think that just because the World War II veterans are dead and dying off, that means that they can spit on everything that they fought for as “racist” and “Nazi” and “fascist” in their disgusting arrogant manner. I hope these assholes like collaborating with the Nazis, because they would have, most certainly. These rephrehensible animals should be thrown out of academia and discredited like the filth that they are, to say, “Oh these WWII veterans (vets) are dead, I can say whatever I want to” These people MAKE ME PUKE! THEIR POLTICALLY CORRECT WORLD WAR II REVISIONIST “HISTORY” SHOULD BE THROWN IN THE trash heap as is and these people who hate our World War II veterans should get if from all of us.

Let’s teach these bastards a lesson about preserving history and freedom for future generations to come. They should get their asses kicked REALLY REALLY hard for this hateful slandering of our veterans and our freedom. They hate preserving history, if it does not agree with their agenda of learning from it because they hate it too.

Our history learning is abysmal. Look at what this clown on AmThinker wrote about FDR and North Africa. He says that our first combat action was in North Africa! WRONG! Our first COMBAT ACTION OF WWII was in the PACIFIC against JAPAN AT PEARL HARBOR AND THE PHILIPPINES. At least the Philippines are THANKFUL for America preserving their freedom. The far-left news media says that they are bitter of American rule, BULLSHIT! THEY ALWAYS Loved America, those “protestors” were a bunch of far-left commie nationalist idiots anyway on NWI. Newsworld International, a FAR-LEFT Canadian news organization. Any wonder they went belly under? The far-left hates the military because the military are hereos and tough guys and stronger than THOSE PANSIES EVER WILL BE!

SOMEBODY TEACH THE FAR-LEFT, please!
Thank you.
Justin.

Patchman123 on July 26, 2011 at 7:07 pm

The movie lost me when the ‘Peggy Carter’ character decks the big bully recruit with one punch during the boot-camp. (As Debbie would say: “Puh-leeze!”) Somehow, I found it difficult to swallow (even in a fantasy-movie context) that a (maybe) 110-lb. woman (in the pre-feminist, 1940s American Era, no less!) is going to take out a big, hulking 200-220 lb. guy who’s built like a brick house. (To quote Monty Python: “It’s a simple question of weight-ratios.”) Had she thrown him with a judo-move (which has at least some historical basis–WACs in the South Pacific were required to learn Judo & other self-defense techniques, for example), it wouldn’t have been so absurd. But as it was, I couldn’t help but roll my eyes at that point & think, “Oh, come on!” My irritation-quotient only increased when I saw the suitably-PC & obligatory ethnically-diverse makeup of Capt. America’s commando-squad. (I’m like, “OK, is there any ethnic-group they left out in this mix?”) I’m with Debbie: Not a bad flick, but not as good as it should’ve been, nor anywhere near the big whoop the critics are making it out to be.

Paul GC. on July 27, 2011 at 11:56 am

Let me say this as nicely as I can put it Ms. Schlussel: Shut up and stop ruining everyone’s fun. The Cap still kicked Nazi ass for the record.

MB on July 28, 2011 at 12:48 am

I liked the movie–it was fun, which was what a comic book movie should be.

As much as I hate criticizing Debbie, she missed several other swastikas in the movie: when the Himmler expy walked in to talk to the Red Skull, one of his entourage was wearing a swastika armband. Most of the German military did not wear or display the swastika on their equipment or uniforms (you’d have to squint really hard to see the swastikas on the officers’ caps and formal uniforms). True, Hydra is shown to be a rogue Nazi think-tank, but we don’t exactly see the Wehrmacht joining with the Americans in taking Hydra down.

Moreover, it makes sense that we don’t see a lot of American flags or insignia at the front. Given that Cap and his bunch are part of a secret organization, they wear different insignia than regular line doggies. US combat uniforms were very subdued on purpose (shiny stuff makes good sniper targets). The Howling Commandos were always multinational.

It did bother me that they showed Army units as being integrated in the States; it would be uncommon, but not unknown to see integration at the front. (Patton introduced it when rifleman losses exceeded 100% of replacements; he needed warm bodies, and as he said, he didn’t care what color or creed people were, as long as they killed Germans.) If I was the director and knew that a lack of black faces might get me a bunch of crap from Al Sharpton, I’d just say “Screw it,” stick in a few black guys, and not worry about the handful of historians (like me) who would notice it in a comic book movie.

I found Cap to be unabashedly patriotic, which is something lacking in movies these days. They didn’t dumb down his character, and if that “study” that Americans who see patriotic displays tend to then go vote Republican is true, then we’re going to have a lot of comic book fanboys (like me) voting for “Anyone But Obama” next year. Well, one can hope.

Sentinel on July 29, 2011 at 6:57 pm

So you had no problem with the Super Soldier Serum, the involvement of Norse Gods, or the powering of advanced weapons with a cosmic cube? The English woman giving orders to an American man was where you drew the line at believability?

And nobody in the UK is rewriting history, we’re all just fed up of the americans acting like they single handedly won the war.

Patchman123 on August 4, 2011 at 10:22 am

In a few years from now, especially if Obama makes it for a second term, a movie like Captain America will never ever get made. The multiculturalism in Europe, beginning to seep into America, has an invisible undercurrent that slowly disappaits the ideals of patriotism.

Americans are losing their reason for being patriotic and who’s to say if even in 50 years days like the 4th of July will be celebrated or it’ll be just a day to watch sporting events on TV.

We are catching a true American icon, that ultimate boy scout, in Captain America in the wanning days of a demoralised America. Captain America may be loaded with muscles but his dialogue has been reformatted and his villians white washed and mellow.

A true marvel comic fan like myself knows Captain America stood for higher ideals while this flick simply does not.

This is Captain Muticulturalism with an American accent – nothing more.

Fred on August 10, 2011 at 5:17 am

Take a chillpill.

Its a movie. And i must agree that it isnt a particular good one. But its a entertainment movie.

Not a Propaganda film.

And if you talk about realism then please tell me how it is possible that the Hydrazis could have Lost? it isnt possible. They had perfect defenses superior firepower (this laserguns would make toast of even a contemporary M1A1) manpower and training.

And along comes a strong boy who sweeps them aside like its nothing….Yeah.

However that doesnt matter, its a movie. A movie for kids… a movie where logic and history have to take a coffebreak and are just sometimes alowed to peek in.

In a war there are always 2 sides and each side thinks its doing the right thing. Germany lost the war so its evil. If the allies would have lost then Stalin and FDR would be dragged to court for their crimes against humanity.

Anyway, Neat movie and i like that they left politics out.

In this setting the movie is a VERY clear good vs Evil story and as history has told us many times, those are the best.

Selket on September 2, 2011 at 3:33 am

?? In the scene where the laser cannon is first shown there is a Nazi officer shown with a Swastika armband for several minutes. And it is on Hitlers arm during the fake fighting scenes.

Deezil on October 29, 2011 at 6:06 pm

I have seen captain america last night, very carefully, and that was a blast ! I don’t know who is to blame but the only thing that came into my mind while I was waching the movie is that someone in the “scnearistic chain” or maybe most of them are truly in love with their mothers (agent peggy carter IS captain america’s mummy), and more or less almost nazi-friendly. The fact that all the movie is there to tell you that there were worse than the nazis make me feel this like that (I am not good enough in english and moreover in
wrinting to explain this more but…). And the last one that make me LOVE this movie so badly is the “german” doctor that hire captain america, he is not german, he seems to be Apu in the simpsons, even the worst german doctor movie performances were not that far from what would be a caricature of a german doctor (I guess).
And also it seems that he doesn’t really like japanese, no?
A real “american” propaganda movie for a change…

did on November 7, 2011 at 7:31 pm

Swastikas 4 life

Der Fuhre on December 7, 2011 at 2:07 am

Maybe the filmmakers (like a lot of other people who are not American) got tired of making films depicting the US the saviours of Europe (that they NEVER were and winning the Second World War single handely). A war America was only ever involved with to stop stop the Communists from reaching Berling before the British (who had been fighting the war alone between 1939 and 1943 when America finally saw action against the Germans).

Tell me (without looking in Wikipedia can you name all four of the codenames for the beaches in Operation Overlord and who took them). It’s about time America stopped claiming that it did anyone (other than itself) any favours in World War II, it would have been won without you (and equally stop stamping your feet when you don’t get your own way).

Damien Dawson on December 26, 2011 at 9:49 pm

Now I wonder, why didn’t you mention that it was absurd that there was a black guy in Captain America’s squad, who was treated as equal by others? It makes no sense too, you know. Because it wasn’t the case at all. Or are you simply afraid to raise that topic? You probably are, and that’s also why an American movie can’t fail to have African-Americans, even if it makes no sense. This has made lots of people laugh in many cases. But we accept it as an American movie conventionality and a tribute of respect to the idea of multiculturalism and stuff.

As for swastikas, I didn’t relaly notice their absense until I started thinking about that. Which means that this fact simply doesn’t play any important role in the movie’s artistic quality. And I’m pretty happy that there wasn’t much of American symbols, because most American movies about American soldiers a filled with so much naive patriotism it’s sickening. Actually, I’m quite happy that this wasn’t the case with The First Avenger, and I’m quite happy that it only pictured Captain fighting Red Skull and not Nazis, because this makes much more sense: America’s role in fighting Nazis was virtually non-existent, except dropping two bombs, which I don’t see as much of an achievement, and as for German Nazis and Hitler, Americans did nothing to them, they were defeated by USSR practically single-handedly. So, the movie was more or less realistic in this respect, as much as a comic-book-based action movie can be.

Jekyll on March 7, 2012 at 3:59 am

“America’s role in fighting Nazis was virtually non-existent, except dropping two bombs, which I don’t see as much of an achievement, and as for German Nazis and Hitler, Americans did nothing to them, they were defeated by USSR practically single-handedly.”

Jekyll, you probably could use a history lesson or two, my friend.

Anyway, I also noticed the lack of swastikas and the minimal mention of Nazis, and I felt it detracted from the movie. Captain America is supposed to be a symbol of America, freedom and the ideals that made this country great. The Nazi swastika is a symbol of fear and oppression. By using that symbolism in the movie, they could have added more weight to the subject matter and done it more justice. I think the main reason they omitted it was more to sterilize the movie for the purposes of marketing (although now that you mention it, Cap’s commandoes were very diverse and multi-cultural).

It’s a shame that they had to cheapen the movie and take it down a peg from a storytelling standpoint, for the sake of selling lunch boxes and action figures.

Dave on April 10, 2012 at 11:41 am

This is the most idiotic thing I’ve read all week. Greetings from Norway.

Bjorn on April 26, 2012 at 9:47 am

What a waste that they didnt do it right,out of fear of offending people.If you are going to use a certain part of history,do it right,..or not at all.Dont white wash it.Ya know,..everyone believes that the Swastika stands only for Germany’s bad years,racism,etc.However,it is a very ancient symbol for the four seasons in some cultures.In others,it’s a symbol of peace and good fortune.It’s also a symbol of Thor’s Hammer,waaay back in time. I get tired of the poor cross having a bad rep.(if my dad read this,he’d role over in his grave!! lol.)

Shiloh on April 30, 2012 at 4:17 am

The film was quite OK, anyway it is fictional, and so are SHIELD and HYDRA. Some people think depicting swastikas are offensive, but films like “Inglorious Basterds” and “Indiana Jones” have plenty of them…

There are a few points that I would like to comment. Reds started to spread the idea that US contribution to WW2 was minimal compared to Red Army. Red Army indeed fought huge battles against the Wehrmacht, having also terrible losses. But United States created an army, a navy and an air force starting from scratch, and after hard initial battles proved to be good enough to face the Axis. Their industrial power surpassed the Axis capabilities and D-day landing was the greatest landing on history. Of course USA was not fighting alone, there was around 60 allied nations, and the war didn’t started in december 1941, but earlier in 1939.
Unlike Vietnam and other proxy wars, it was clear for all the soldiers and citizens why they were fighting for. Against totalitarism. The truth: western allies restored the order in Western Europe and stopped the madness that was going on there.
Polish cause remains impopular with communists. Nazis tried to dissasemble Poland and use their “labor force”. Soviets became allied with the nazis because they were also interested into invading Poland. Due to the “class struggle”, communist agents persecuted polish intellectuals, teachers and military officers. They always attack educated people.
About Antifa groups, they should be called “Antina[zis]” and sadly enough, they are 60 years too late. Fascist were far-right italians, germans copied their organization but added their own racist and totalitarian ideas from their sick leaders. Lack of moral was a common denominator of Hitler, Göbbels, Göring, Himmmler…

Julius on January 12, 2013 at 10:34 pm

All that patriotism is starting to sound like fascism to me.. and yeah, this was the most idiotic thing I’ve seen in a long time (meaning the article, not the movie).

Ok the movie is quite bad too. The Worst Avenger.

Greetings from Finland.

Taneli on February 21, 2013 at 9:58 pm

I think this lady is right about the film producers doing wrong on being to scared to add the nazi & U.S.A. symbols in the movie but besides that i liked the movie I think it is real cool how it connects with the rest of the story line that he has been asleep for 70yrs. and wakes up in 2013 to find them trying to hide the truth from him & i also think its cool becuase i saw a prius there. Besides NOT showing american pride and puting U.S.A. symbols on the soilders & showing that the powerful U.S. beat the UNSYMBOLIZED stupid german nazis, i would give this movie 4 or 4 1/2 stars.

Juan Rondarilla on April 5, 2013 at 3:44 am

chanel ??

??????? ????? on September 10, 2013 at 4:45 am

you people are so stupid youre fighting about a fictional character in a world where anything can happen. most of you sound racist always blaming one culture it even says it in the movie the first county the nazis invaded were their own, did that mean all germans were bad and hated the jewish, no, so dont hold all of one type of ethnicity accountable for a group of bad eggs (thats kinda what the nazis did just saying)

Thetank13 on October 13, 2013 at 4:50 am

and for the record agent carter punched him in the nose which can bring down most men

Thetank13 on October 13, 2013 at 4:52 am

Only one word for this: TOYS.
They want to sell toys and swastikas for kids hmmmm not a good idea.

Gaijin386 on October 26, 2013 at 7:09 am

Keep in mind it is a Marvel Universe, not our own but a parallel, fantasy universe, so anything is possible, even altered or missing insignia’s. I can understand how it is easy to accept genetically altered soldiers and tech that didn’t exist but still shows up in the movie during WWII but a couple missing national symbols throw you for a loop. It really is not that big a deal, the movie was written and designed to be enjoyed by many nationalities around the world. Also, it is an origin story so being a bit long and drug out is perfectly fine IMO.

Chuck on May 2, 2015 at 10:37 pm