May 24, 2011, - 2:27 pm

Netanyahu Speech, While “Disagreeing” w/ Obama, Agrees w/ Obama; Compares Jews to “Occupiers”

By Debbie Schlussel

Anyone who applauds today’s speech by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Congress simply wasn’t listening and/or falls for cheap talk and has no critical thinking skills whatsoever.  Per usual, Netanyahu talks tough, but at the same time says he  is ready to make “painful” and “far-reaching compromises.”  That means he is willing to essentially return to the pre-1967 borders that Barack Obama urged, last week, with maybe a smidgen of irrelevant difference so he can say he didn’t return to the pre-1967 borders when he essentially did.  If you don’t get that, you don’t know Netanyahu and  you haven’t been paying attention to him or his record of constantly giving in to Muslim and American demands and attacking Jewish settlers in the so-called “West Bank,” as well as repeatedly freezing and restricting new housing even in suburban Jerusalem.

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Netanyahu & Obama: Yup, They Agree on Israel’s Borders, Jews as “Occupiers”

Here is just a portion of Netanyahu’s speech (read the entire transcript), in which he compares Jews in Judea and Samaria–historically and always Jewish land–to “occupiers”:  to Belgian “occupiers” in the Congo and British “occupiers” in India.  He pretends he disagrees with the comparison, but he does agree with it, or he’d never have made it in a major speech to Congress. A world leader doesn’t insert two different noxious comparisons of his countrymen, just to say, “Hey, we’re not that.” A world leader mentions this before the U.S. Congress to say, “Yup, we’re that, but I can’t say it, so I’ll let you know by saying it, while disclaiming it.” Never before has an Israeli Prime Minister made such a disgusting public comparison of his own people–including a Jewish family murdered in cold blood while they slept on the Jewish Sabbath–to “occupiers.”

The peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan are vital. But they’re not enough. We must also find a way to forge a lasting peace with the Palestinians. Two years ago, I publicly committed to a solution of two states for two peoples: A Palestinian state alongside the Jewish state.

I am willing to make painful compromises to achieve this historic peace. As the leader of Israel, it is my responsibility to lead my people to peace.

This is not easy for me. I recognize that in a genuine peace, we will be required to give up parts of the Jewish homeland. In Judea and Samaria, the Jewish people are not foreign occupiers. We are not the British in India. We are not the Belgians in the Congo.

PUH-LEEZE, if Netanyahu didn’t agree with this absurd comparison, why the heck did he make it? And if the Jews are not occupiers–and they aren’t, but that’s not how he sees it–then why is anyone “required to give up parts” of it? I’m sickened, and you should be, too.  Leaving these areas is exactly the pre-1967 borders that Obama seeks.  If  you don’t see that, try looking at a map.  If Obama had made this “non-comparison” comparison, we’d have been all over him. . . and we should be all over Netanyobama for making it before the U.S. Congress today.  More:

The status of the settlements will be decided only in negotiations. But we must also be honest. So I am saying today something that should be said publicly by anyone serious about peace. In any peace agreement that ends the conflict, some settlements will end up beyond Israel’s borders. The precise delineation of those borders must be negotiated. We will be very generous on the size of a future Palestinian state. But as President Obama said, the border will be different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967. Israel will not return to the indefensible lines of 1967.

We recognize that a Palestinian state must be big enough to be viable, independent and prosperous.

Translation: to save face, Netanyahu can’t admit he’s going to make Israel exactly the same is pre-1967 borders, but it’ll be pretty close and any difference will be a distinction without a difference.

Get a clue, people. That means all of you gushing over Netanyahu, today. All the tough talk today about the Muslim nations and their treatment of gays and others is nice PR, but it means nothing and is absolutely useless if Netanyahu–or as reader Jon Grant more aptly calls him, “Nothingyahu”–won’t refuse to give the Muslims more land.  And he’s already made many movements toward giving them exactly that.  If  you were mesmerized by today’s speech, you are naive and ignorant.  Instead, you should look to Netanyahu’s history.  Just as he betrayed three wives, he’s betrayed Israel multiple times, including with the Wye Accords, in which he was ready to give up almost everything, but Yasser Arafat wouldn’t take it.  Arafat’s replacements aren’t so stupid.  Netanyahu, though, hasn’t changed.  Same old guy, same old capitulator.

While I’m glad Netanyahu repeated the facts about how Israel treats Arabs, Muslim, gays, and others versus the way its Muslim neighbors and the rest of the Middle East treat them, that is useless if Netanyahu continues to give in to these people, and that is exactly what he will do.  He has a consistent track record.  Rah-rah stuff won’t mask the stench of the facts of what Netanyobama–which is essentially who Netanyahu is–has been doing.  On Passover, for instance, when two Jewish men were shot to death by Palestinian police as they visited Joseph’s tomb, a holy site in Judaism, Netanyahu instructed his government to PROSECUTE the surviving Jews for trespassing on what is Jewish land.  This is the Netanyahu present and it is the Netanyahu future.

Anyone hypnotized by Netanyahu’s oratory, including Rush Limbaugh–who said on his show today that Netanyahu is “showing the West how to win” (which he most certainly is not; he’s showing the West how to lose while giving tough speeches, kinda like what Bush did)–simply falls for rhetoric and hasn’t a clue about what Netanayahu is doing on the ground every single day in Israel.  It is still a struggle to get less than 2,000 housing units built.  And it is a struggle because of Netanyahu.  Menachem Begin and Yitzchak Shamir repeatedly increased housing and development every time the Muslims–and the West–complained.  That’s how you win.  Not by giving speeches.  It’s nice that Rush slaps himself on the back for knowing “Bibi”–as is his nickname, but this isn’t about name-dropping.  It’s about the facts behind the image. Not whether you got invited–as Rush brags that he did–to smoke stogies with “Bibi” at the Essex House (which is incidentally owned by Israel-hating Gulf State sheiks, so why did Netanyobama stay there?).

This isn’t the first “tough” speech by Netanyahu to Congress, and not the first time he is simultaneously pandering to and assuaging Muslim demands back home.  It is simply par for the course. Some humans are terrific fertilizer factories.  But Israel doesn’t need more fertilizer, as the Jews already showed they know how to reclaim rocky, abandoned land and make it fertile without BS.

Speak softly but carry a big stick is the oft-cited advice of Teddy Roosevelt.  But Binyamin Netanyahu does the opposite.

He speaks loudly . . . and carries a toothpick. And he’s already let the Muslim world know–via his speech to the U.S. Congress–he’s willing to cut up the toothpick to the point it won’t even hold a piece of cheese.




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75 Responses

Debbie – there I was, thinking I was the only one who was disturbed by most of what he said… including the often-used “Israel rose from the ashes of the Holocaust!” It did NOT – and to say that only gives those who deny the ancient ties more reason to believe the lies! Netanyahu, who fancies himself an historian, in that one comment, denies not only the connection to Abraham, Issac & Jacob but also to Herzl and Jabotinsky and all those who persevered to bring us BACK after 2,000 years of exile!

Besides that – I haven’t trusted Bibi since he gave up Hevron. No doubt, he’s the best PR-man Israel has ever had – but that’s not enough to qualify him as PM. People who swoon over his speeches in Washington don’t have a clue how he governs in Jerusalem.

Suzanne Pomeranz on May 24, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Netanyahu is the best advocate Israel has ever had. It may be enough to get Israel’s friends to rally around the Jewish State. I don’t want to say I agree with what he talked about in the “peace” part of his speech. You do know what I really think about it. In fact, I think inside, he himself agrees that the Arabs are not going to pay the price of real peace. But then you don’t have to be a genius to know that was just PR stuff. Israel looks reasonable and accommodating. And I expect the Arabs to be rejectionist and extreme cuz that’s who they are. What he said today won’t change what happens on the ground in the months and years to come.

    There will be no two state solution even if “every one knows” what the final outline of a peace deal would look like. The unvarnished truth is some problems in the world don’t have a solution. The Israeli-Arab conflict is one of them.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 10:07 pm

Debbie, you put so fine a line on being hard-core. Bibi N is a politician and he is here not to express the best defense of the state of Israel–he is here to bond with the American public in the best way he can–and that is to be and sound conciliatory.

Obama’s rhetoric is all he has–what Netanyahu stands for is action behind the rhetoric. The reality in the Arab states is both fluid and very tough. Netanyahu is trying his best, on a public platform, to speak to both the reality and the hope. The hope is dim–the reality is daunting.

Would it be best to have Netanyahu stick with only the reality? In my book, a political leader must be in a position–to state the hopes and aspirations of his people. Sure, I owuld have preferred that he stated direct opposition to an Arab Palestinian state of any form or size and this is obvious his preference. From the seat of DS–it is easy to say.

As a leader of a tiny vulnerable state–blunt speech must be modified by the political context.

I want the Jewish state to stay one and I hope that the Arabs leave our soil and go elsewhere–but I am only one person and no leader of Israel. Bibi’s job is to reflect a right of center Israeli position–not my narrow view, not DS’s point of view. He schooled Obama and hopefully made something of an impressiion on a man who is pro-Arab and no friend of Israel.

To coldly state our preference is easy–to do it when almost all the world is against you requires a bit more tact.

Having said what I have said–I do not agree with your assessment–I am simply willing to look outside our bubble. Israeli survival requires more than the tough, blunt talk and military response Israel is prepared to unleash.

David N. Friedman on May 24, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Debbie and I aren’t politicians. Netanyahu is operating in an Israel whose media is far to the Left of him, so far to the Left, it makes the American MSM look moderate. His speech was intended for several audiences. And he made none of them happy. That may not be principled but its the work of a politician who does what he must to survive. The Israeli centrist position Netanyahu embraces is not what Debbie wants or what I want but its what the people of Israel want. Still, it doesn’t change the fact that while Israel is a democracy, all its neighbors are run by brutal despots. There is a chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon. A moral chasm and its not going to be bridged in the foreseeable future.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    “Debbie, you put so fine a line on being hard-core. Bibi N is a politician and he is here not to express the best defense of the state of Israel–he is here to bond with the American public in the best way he can–and that is to be and sound conciliatory.”

    Try reading what you just wrote. An Israeli Prime Minister is not supposed to put the best defense forward for the State of Israel? Rather, he is to accommodate and please some American politicians? You are describing a master-serf relationship, and not a normal relationship between states. As for your other comments, they are reminiscent of those made by Jews in Tsarist Russia and in the early years of the Third Reich. By taking such a stance, they made pogroms and the Holocaust far easier for the authorities, since any real resistance was uncouth and unduly belligerent. We both know the outcomes in both cases. Finally, if you are unwilling to stand up for yourself, why should anyone stick their neck out for you?

    worry01 on May 24, 2011 at 10:08 pm

      Worry–I said that in a speech before Congress–Bibi N is not sup[posed to give “our” speech in defense of Israel. He is there to broaden bonds between Israel and the US and there is a difference here.

      It is common sense. It is my job to brighten my relationship with my wife–not to give a total defense of my actions and an extended essay on why I am the way I am. Rather, it is to flatter and find common cause. The find ways of deepening the relationship on terms special to the other person.

      Bibi is not speaking to the Arabs–he is speaking to Israel’s best friend and closest ally. His speech, his tone, his content, was fine.

      David N. Friedman on May 25, 2011 at 10:24 pm

1. The average American needs to travel there and check out the WHOLE land, including Judea and Samaria ….that’s the best way to get a dose of reality and see that the Jewish ties to the Land go way way back.
2. We all know how the Arabs have treated the land and its holy sites when they rule it….case closed.

Not Ovenready on May 24, 2011 at 3:17 pm

I watched his speech and thought he did what he had to do. He played to congress and the American people to see Obama as a pro Arab leader of this once great republic. He may not get all the American liberal Jews to not vote for Obama but he sure is reaching those Americans who vote and are on the fence to rethink about who and what Obama stands for. Those are a lot of votes Obama needs. This is a political chess match and I see bibi winning the match against Obama. We also know the Palestinian leaders won’t except anything that is offered up short of Israel leaving it’s rightful land or giving up Jerusalem. This is how I herd it, but I think unfortunately as a Christian peace will happen and be broken. There is nothing anyone can do about it it is written. But in the end Israel will be where God lives in the new heaven where peace will be forever.

Darren on May 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    With all due respect, I fail to see why Obama is more “pro Arab leader” than Bush Jr. was. Here is Bush in 2005:

    “Israel must continue to take steps toward a peaceful future, and work with the Palestinian leadership to improve the daily lives of Palestinians, especially their humanitarian situation. Israel should not undertake any activity that contravenes road map obligations or prejudice final status negotiations with regard to Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem.

    Therefore, Israel must remove unauthorized outposts and stop settlement expansion. The barrier being erected by Israel as a part of its security effort must be a security, rather than political, barrier. And its route should take into account, consistent with security needs, its impact on Palestinians not engaged in terrorist activities. As we make progress toward security, and in accordance with the road map, Israeli forces should withdraw to their positions on September the 28th, 2000.

    Any final status agreement must be reached between the two parties, and changes to the 1949 Armistice lines must be mutually agreed to. A viable two-state solution must ensure contiguity of the West Bank, and a state of scattered territories will not work. There must also be meaningful linkages between the West Bank and Gaza. This is the position of the United States today, it will be the position of the United States at the time of final status negotiations.

    The imminent Israeli disengagement from Gaza, parts of the West Bank, presents an opportunity to lay the groundwork for a return to the road map.”

    http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050526.html

    Begletz on May 24, 2011 at 3:49 pm

      Obama is no different from Bush and Netanyahu only pretends to be a hawk where Sharon was a dove.

      After 18 years, you’d think people would learn. But nothing ever changes from generation to generation.

      And its safe to say that long after Debbie and I and the rest of us now alive who post on here are finally gone, nothing will change then, too.

      NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 9:52 pm

Nothing new from this f..king moron. Funny, I never heard the so-called Palestinian leaders ever talk about their need for “tough compromises.”

Jonathan Grant on May 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Yup… I was thinking as I heard him, why in the world does Israel need to pander to Arab savages who want to destroy it? Why not say the unvarnished truth – this is Jewish land, its our land, we’re not ever giving it up and if the Arabs don’t like it, that’s not our problem.

    Netanyahu may be good with moral equivalence but none of the “painful compromises” – code for a retreat to the pre-1967 borders will ever happen is simply because for the Palestinian Arabs, an Israeli surrender will never be quite quite good enough for them.

    The more generous Israel is, they more they stiffen their hearts. There is Providence behind their conduct. And G-d is essentially saying to the Jewish People, you will never be allowed to give it up, no matter how hard you try. I have given you an enemy with whom you will never be able to make peace.

    Netanyahu’s speech to Congress won’t change this reality. There will be no peace in our lifetime no matter how much he would like to sign it all away. For that Jon and Debbie – the Jewish people need to thank G-d. That is only reason Israel is still there to this very day and will remain so long after Obama and Netanyahu are no longer with us.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 9:10 pm

Bibi is weak and can’t be trusted. He should be a diplomat, but just a diplomat. Moshe Feiglin for Prime Minister!

David on May 24, 2011 at 3:35 pm

[Debbie – Menachem Begin and Yitzchak Shamir repeatedly increased housing and development every time the Muslims–and the West–complained.]

Israel no longer has leaders like those two. That is the problem.

I_AM_ME on May 24, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Leaders of principle in this world are rare today. We may think we have free will but we all act as G-d wants us to. Netanyahu may be a nice man, he may be right about Islamic evil, especially from Iran but he ignores the evil right next door to him. If the PA weren’t doing funny business with Hamas, he’d still be figuring out how to give them a terror state. The Palestinians refuse to make peace because they don’t want peace with a Jewish State of any size. Jewish niceness won’t make them more conciliatory. Jews have to learn to stop apologizing for living in their homeland. They are neither colonialists or occupiers. Its not like they took someone else’s country that didn’t exist and claimed it for their own. Golda Meir had it right about the Palestinians four decades ago. How sad Israeli leaders can’t bring themselves to acknowledge that self-evident truth before the world today.

    In the end, the Palestinians won’t get a state. It won’t be because of Obama or Netanyahu. It will be cuz Israel has a Higher Authority.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 9:21 pm

      Amen, NormanF.

      JeffE on May 24, 2011 at 10:49 pm

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Historyscoper on May 24, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Israel’s existence depends on G-d.

    I like to observe to all the Haredi Jews and their leftist allies who also condemn Israel’s existence, if G-d didn’t want it, Israel would not have survived back in 1948.

    The Jewish State survived for one reason only – G-d wanted it to. Someday, the Jewish People will come to understand it and the entire world will then in accordance with Isaiah’s prophecy, acknowledge the rule of G-d over it.

    That my friends, is the only reason Israel exists – to witness the Lord Of Heaven and Earth will always exist.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 9:26 pm

He strikes me as a pseudo-tough guy. It reminds me of France during the 1930’s. Various presidents, premiers, and cabinet ministers made loud noises about the Third Reich, but little or nothing actually done until shortly before France was invaded in May 1940. Benjamin(Nothing but a Yahoo)is following the same path as the French decades ago.

Worry01 on May 24, 2011 at 3:56 pm

When I heard him say “Palestinians,” I turned it off. The last Philistine I saw had a rock stuck between his eyes.

Rick on May 24, 2011 at 4:15 pm

The problem with David N. Friedman’s post, and others like it, is his statement and assumption that:

“he [Netanyahu] is here not to express the best defense of the state of Israel–he is here to bond with the American public in the best way he can–and that is to be and sound conciliatory”.

Friedman takes it for granted that these are mutually exclusive goals, but of course they are not. Why in the world do something that is not the best defense of Israel?

A good leader must increase the ranks of his supporters, and the way to do that is with maximum political clarity, especially with an opportunity to convey such clarity when hundreds of millions of people throughout the world are listening to your words. What an opportunity to educate, and win supporters.

Instead, by creating confusion, and giving Obama and those misleaders and their sycophants, masquerading as supporters of Israel in its struggle against Islamic destroyers, he will make Israel’s overall position weaker, and it will be that much harder to convey goals and positions when the chips are even more down.

He wasted an opportunity to stand firm, and gain increased respect, which is the only way to fend off the vultures in the international community. The position of the Netenyahu supporters among the comments here, mirror by and large, the stated position of the Israeli embassy, and represent appeasement. I wouldn’t be surprised if the israeli government was behind some of the comments here.

And of course, Obama’s rhetoric is not all he has. He is the head of the most powerful military and economic nation in the world, and if he gains against Netanyahu as he has done this last week, he will build upon those gains to further weaken Israel.

How has Netanyahu spoken to reality and hope? There is no hope in a moribund peace process with united terrorists groups, both bent on Israel’s destruction. Of course there is no reality in projecting hope in such a process. The peace process is dead; it was never alive, and the mark of a good leader is to educate potential supporters to see this so that Israel will have increased, rather than decreased, options.

Little Al on May 24, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    That why I agreed with Debbie the “peace” portion of the speech is PR fertilizer. Nothing will grow from it.

    The Palestinians have already rejected it. If they were smart, they’d grab Israel by the balls and squeeze hard. But they won’t cuz their hatred of the Jews and Israel prevents them from making the tiniest concession for peace.

    Even before Israel was born, the Jews made compromises and adjusted to reality because they had to. The Arabs were always intransigent and extreme and they would never do anything to benefit their own people. They will end up destroying themselves. Nothing Netanyahu offers them will turn them away from that fate. When an enemy is in the process of destroying himself, don’t interfere.

    Its good advice the Jewish State should take.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 9:35 pm

None of the politicians will be able to resolve this problem which is founded on radical Islamic extremism and the ruthless nature of Jihadists and radical muslims which exist in large numbers in the middle east and near Israel. The politician Geert Wilders is right about what is happening in the world regarding Islamisation and Sharia laws being passed. Unless the people of the world realize the problem and source of violence is founded on religious extremism of Islam which fuels Al-Qaida, Hamas ,Hezbollah, Taliban there will never be real peace in the world nor in Israel. I am against a Palestinian state because it will only make things worse for Israel. If they wanted a state on the other hand they should have made one in Jordan. Don’t think Fatah won’t doublecross Israel for being moderate as opposed to Hamas as they both signed a deal together. Israel cannot afford to make the same mistakes as before when it gave up lands in 2005 such as Gaza thinking there would be peace. What happened after that? More rocket attacks of course, and those wonderful greenhouses and other facilities made by Israel in the area was destroyed by the terrorists. Awareness of radical Islamic extremism which i feel is one of the evils of Islam teachings along with corruption in organized religion is the real problem in this world. The day people stop being brainwashed to kill in the name of Allah and to kill Jews in duty of being a muslim who fights Jihad then we will have real peace for Israel and these wars will finally be over once and for all. The truth has to be spread out and we have to demilitarize Hamas and other radical muslims near Israel.

The messiah on May 24, 2011 at 6:11 pm

Little Al and The Messiah seemed to have bottom lined the issue here (however, I have learned enough here, Messiah, that DS may properly correct your “radical” modifier of muslims).

This conflict is not my expertise, but I have always felt Israel IS the 100% good side (and how many things are ever 100% good?) and as a novice, I read D. Freidman’s post and could see what he why he tought as he did BUT I have learned enough HERE to know that it is NOT THE WHOLE STORY and as I said, Little Al and The Messiah took my (limited educational) doubts and bullseyed them for me.

At the end of the day I think Israel should stand as tough as they can, that they should NOT give away ANYTHING else to those terrorist pigs and I am always shocked by even how PC so many Israelis are. I also think there should NOT be a Palestinian state.

Skunky on May 24, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    The Sultan Knish calls it Terrorstine. In all the 18 years since Oslo, the Palestinians have never prepared themselves for statehood.

    Even if the world gives them one in September, nothing will change on the ground. Their desire to destroy the Jewish State is greater than their desire to build a country which by the way they could easily have created between 1948 and 1967 when Israel wasn’t in Gaza and the so-called West Bank and Jerusalem was a divided city.

    All Israel can do is give them a launching pad to conquer the rest of Israel. That’s not a two state solution; its a two stages solution. And peace is not in the cards on account of Islam. The PA/HAMAS are no different from Al Qaeda. Indeed, the people Netanyahu would like to make peace with lionize Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah. The Palestinian Arabs are far more extreme than Arabs in the rest of the Middle East.

    The Arab Spring is not going to lead to democracy and freedom but to Islamism, terrorism and future wars. Israel is living in a dangerous time. Professing peace now is a distraction from the real issue at hand. A pity Netanyahu couldn’t be forthright about it to Congress: its the Islam, Stupid.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 9:46 pm

We need a Churchill right now, not a Chamberlain. Appeasement of evil leads to mass murder.

In Israel’s case, the only two words that matter:

NEVER AGAIN.

There is no “land for peace”. There is only “peace for peace”. Either the Muslims accept peaceful coexistence with Jews and Christians, or they don’t. That is the core issue.

Reminds me of the sad joke: What would happen if all the “Palestinians” (Arab Muslims) laid down their weapons? There would be no more terrorism and wars in the Middle East. What would happen if Israel laid down its weapons? There would be no more Israel.

nailsagainsttheboard on May 24, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Exactly – and so on target!

    The Arabs are never going to lay down their weapons – and they won’t agree to ever recognize Israel is a Jewish State. Islam prevents them from reconciling with the dhimmi Jews.

    You don’t have to ask why Abu Bluff chose peace with Hamas over peace with Israel. Its obvious to every one aware of the truth.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 10:13 pm

And wouldn’t it have been something if Netanyahu had called Obama and the Europeans on the carpet for giving huge financial aid to the Palestinian terrorists.

Little Al on May 24, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    LA, Netanyahu could have called on Obama, the Europeans and the Quartet not to fund and not to recognize a Palestinian government in which HAMAS is a partner. Its just me but in reality, there is no real difference between Fatah and HAMAS. They may hate each other but let’s never do forget that most of all, they hate the Jews.

    NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 10:16 pm

Debbie is right on the money here, as is Little Al and Messiah. Israel is insane to keep upholding the chimera of a “peace process.” There is only capitulation to Arabs/Muslims who wish to see Israel destroyed, either in stages – Fatah’s plan – or immediately – Hamas’s plan. Fatah and Hamas have the same objective, merely disagreeing about the means. And there already IS a Palestinian state…it’s called Jordan. Any additional Muslim state or statelet is redundant. The Israeli leadership must read the world the riot act and adamantly refuse to dismantle itself to please the so-called “international community.” Furthermore, what is historically known as Judea and Samaria, and Gaza as well, were legally part of Jewish Mandatory Palestine, even after much of the planned Jewish homeland (under British stewardship after World War I) was instead given to the Arabs as Transjordan. In ’48, when multiple Arab/Muslim countries attacked nascent Israel, Judea and Samaria were captured by Jordan, and it was not until 1967 that these areas were retaken by Israel. Jordan stole these lands, including East Jerusalem, but Israel retook them in 1967. They were legally Israel’s to begin with, as per the League of Nations, a plan its successor, the U.N., was obligated to uphold after the second world war. Israel has already rescinded the Sinai, an area larger than Israel itself, and Gaza. (continued)

commonsense on May 24, 2011 at 10:18 pm

CS, Egypt tears up the peace treaty, Israel should reclaim the Sinai and never give it back.

That’s what smart nations do.

NormanF on May 24, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Thank you for your reply, NormanF. I didn’t see it until I finished posting part II of my diatribe.

    commonsense on May 24, 2011 at 10:56 pm

But apparently, this is not enough, along with previous Israeli acts of self-amputation, i.e. the transfer of parts of Judea and Samaria over to Arafat’s Palestinian Authority. We know that such a decision has been disastrous for Israel.
The one thing which has saved Israel from its own idiotic insistence on clinging to the charade that there is any possibility of peace with murderous Palestinian Muslims is that the Palestinian Muslims are even more stupid than the Israelis. Time and again, they could have had their genocidal state, and used it as a beachhead to advance their goal of destroying the Jews. A second Palestinian sovereign state, after Jordan, could have been the locus for a buildup of military strength, where not only local Arabs, genocidally inclined, would take up arms against the Jews, but also other non-Palestinian Arabs and Muslims from all over the globe, who would swell the ranks. High-tech weaponry, much of it purchased from the West, would find its way into this new, death-loving country, and the war of annihilation against the Jews could be renewed vigorously. But the fools in Fatah, in their arrogance and blindness, fail to see the opportunities Israel has, and continues, to give them, and because they reject Israel’s offers to kneel and put its figurative head in the guillotine, Israel, somehow, survives. But one day, perhaps, a smarter leader, or group of leaders, will emerge on the Palestinian Arab side, and they will accept Israel’s offer to destroy itself. Let us, who wish Israel to survive despite its incredible self-delusion that it owes the Muslims something – or anything – hope that its adversaries forever remain just as abysmally stupid as they have been all along – more stupid, even, than the Israelis.

commonsense on May 24, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    CS, such Arabs will never emerge.

    As long Islam is what it is, its own logic and nature compel it to seek to destroy Israel and the West.

    A compromise is impossible. I’ll say it again: the Middle East is NOT the American Mid West.

    I wish more people would truly get it.

    NormanF on May 25, 2011 at 12:59 am

Debbie, I couldn’t agree more with your analysis.

Personally, I don’t give a damn about “Israel”; I care only about the Jews there. Bibi doesn’t speak for these Jews, but but for a tiny clique of “Israelis” who are terrified that their privileges are threatened by Jews who actually love the Land.

skzion on May 24, 2011 at 11:36 pm

Rush Limbaugh loved the speech. Pathetic.

GianniV on May 24, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Its a good speech.

    Will it change the world?

    No, it won’t. No one will remember it a century from now. Does any one recall the last speech Netanyahu gave to Congress?

    There you have it.

    NormanF on May 25, 2011 at 1:01 am

Debbie:

It is unfortunate that the civil rights movement has destroyed american jewry to such an extent that israeli leftists and secularists can get away with speeches like this one.

Although I appreciated parts of the speech , I am in agreement with you that parts of it were damaging.

This nonsense that there is such a thing as Palestinians and that these nonsense people have a right to israel is destroying the secular inside and outside of israel.

The only hope israel and the jewish people have is the orthodox, who have on average 8 children per family.

This is the real future of israel and it is a bright one.

These speech makers and the stranglehold that the secularists have had on israeli life since the 1920’s will soon pass into history.

SHMUJEW on May 25, 2011 at 12:06 am

    ShmuJew,

    Spengler wrote an article today in which he makes an educated guess about what the world will look like in a century and he wrote Israel will be a country with 20 million Jews and the median age of its population will be 32. Think about it. More Jews will live in Israel than at any time in history!

    I wouldn’t worry about the secularists and appeasers in Israel. They can offer the Arabs the moon but the Arabs will never buy what they’re selling. You know as well as I do its impossible to relinquish a birthright.

    Israel will be the superpower of the future and the next century will be the Jewish one. There are brighter days ahead for the Jewish People.

    NormanF on May 25, 2011 at 12:55 am

BFD!

While President O’Bama has us all distracted by all this crap that is going nowhere, the Muslim nations are crumbling under the stress of an Islamic imperialist movement that is more hostile and dangerous than the nationalist movements that define those countries.

The Muslim Brotherhood is the world’s largest terrorist organization. Pakistan/U.S. relations are crumbling. Look at a map! If Pakistan falls to the Muslim Brotherhood, our troops in Afghanistan will be surrounded.

Egypt is about to fall to the Muslim Brotherhood. Syria is about to fall. Libya is falling with the HELP of the USA. Yemen is going under. Bahrain is falling.

President O’Bama has “played the Israel card” in order to distract us. It’s working!

There is NO Santa Claus on May 25, 2011 at 1:14 am

Thank you, Debbie and others, especially NormanF and Little Al, for your analysis in regards to Bibi’s speech before Congress.

My only comment is that it is a pity that it should be like this, when Bibi could be so much better. Bibi is an eloquent speaker, who if he wanted to, could explain as to how Israel must remain in the territories of Judea and Samaria, that those territories belong to Israel; that in fact that it is a must ingredient as part of any peace agreement that Israel makes with her neighbors; also, as NormanF said, to warn Egypt that if it were to tear up its peace treaty with Israel that it would cause Israel to re-liberate the territories of Gaza and the Sinai desert and expalin how Israel would be in the right in doing so, out (and that Gaza also belongs to Israel.) Also, to point out that Abbas is not a peace partner not only because of Fatah’s agreement with Hamas, but also because he–like the other Mahmoud–is a Holocaust denier, and provide the quotes from him to prove it, and how he, like Arafat before him, is using the so-called peace process as a means to destroy Israel in accordance with its 1974 phased plan resolution, again providing the quotes to prove it. Also, in making other points that other commenters here have made above.

He could have done that and then have Israel defend its rights by military and other means, and then back them up by also defending them intellectuality. This one-two punch would not only cause the Israel-haters to be upset by Israel’s acts, but backed by Bibi making the above points, would cause the Israel-haters to be demoralized because their anti-Israel talking points would be demolished and refuted while Bibi’s points in turn would be both unanswerable and irrefutable.

But, alas, Bibi instead has chosen to surrender to the anti-Israel myths that Israel’s presence in the territories of the so-called “West Bank” (Judea and Samaria) and the lack of a Palestinian state in those territories and Gaza is somehow the cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict; that his position is that under the right circumstances Israel could give up those territories and have a Palestinian state be established in those territories and that then there would somehow be peace between Israel and her neighbors.

Such a pity.

JeffE on May 25, 2011 at 1:30 am

The sun has never shown on another sick
people as a “jew”!
You freaks think you have rights?
God the Lord took them away from you freaks!
“Israel” is such a joke!
My Lord My God does not know you!
The real remmnant will kick your asses!

Zillalilly on May 25, 2011 at 1:51 am

Can you leave my post up for at least a day?

Zillalilly on May 25, 2011 at 1:55 am

I doubt it!Do you freaks think that the maker of
the “universe” really finds you freaks “special”?
Jesus told you what he thought about your “traditions”
aka the “talmud”!
Aka your “sages”!
The Christ of mankind knows what you are!
Repent like Saul did!
Open your eyes!

Zillalilly on May 25, 2011 at 2:11 am

Hey Deb have you told your followers about
the “ring worm children”?
Deb be honest!

Zillalilly on May 25, 2011 at 2:17 am

If no why not?

Zillalilly on May 25, 2011 at 2:20 am

“Anyone who applauds today’s speech by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Congress simply wasn’t listening and/or falls for cheap talk and has no critical thinking skills whatsoever.” – DS

Besides Limbaugh and the others heretofore mentioned, I can name at least one other person who fell for “Netanyoyo’s” malarkey hook, line and sinker: the shamelessly self-promoting Botox case “Scamela” Geller, who called his speech “brilliant.” Yeah, right. Talk about someone with “no critical thinking skills whatsoever” . . .

ConcernedPatriot on May 25, 2011 at 6:24 am

Mark Dice who takes on the Illuminati posted the following at his Facebook…

“Benjamin Netanyahu told Congress today, “you don’t need to do nation building in Israel. We’re already built. You don’t need to export democracy to Israel. We’ve already got it. And you don’t need to send American troops to defend Israel. We defend ourselves.” What about the 3 billion in aid America gave Israel THIS year? Guess he forgot about that, and I’m an evil anti-semite for wondering about this.”

And to quote Thomas Jefferson…

“Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.”

Three billion dollars in US aid to Israel? Yeah I would call that entangling.

Does this nation think it can print more and more money from the Federal Reserve and devalue the dollar even further to pay for this relationship with Israel? REALLY?!

Bob Porrazzo on May 25, 2011 at 6:35 am

Netanyahu gave a fine politically smart speech. I know about Netanyahu’s shortcomings, nevertheless today he is the best possible leader of Israel especially in the given situation.
While some of your criticism of him valid in a very small portion, most of your twisted psychoanalysis are laughable.
Most of the times I like your criticism, but tell us sometimes if you prefer or respect anybody on our side. I mean the patriotic American and Jewish side. sometimes I wander if you respect anybody but yourself.

Berkovits on May 25, 2011 at 8:27 am

Those who may doubt DS on her summation on this issue (NOT because one doesn’t value her analysis BUT because BN doing the “political” thing does SEEM like a valid explaination) DON’T.

I heard this am on the Jeff Katz Show (he, himself fell for the CW of the BN speech) an Israeli who came on and practically said EVERYTHING DS said. She even said the papers in Israel are poking fun and saying something like they were surprised Congress did not do “the wave” for him.

DS knows this issue back and forward. She is spot on in her analysis. I never doubted her acumen, but when one hears the same thing from a separate source, it bolsters the TRUST and KNOWNLEDGE of this blog.

Skunky on May 25, 2011 at 8:49 am

Haaretz was p*ssed off. For the opposite reason Debbie disliked it.

It thought Netanyahu had not completely capitulated. Granted, there is much to dislike in the speech but the bottom line is this: no Israeli leader is going to make concessions without a Palestinian quid pro quo.

I don’t expect there to be peace in our lifetime.

NormanF on May 25, 2011 at 9:33 am

Dear Debbie,

There is a book written by abother intelligent woman under the pen name Bat Ye’or. The title of the book is the Dhimmi. I think Nethanyahoo should have presented Obama with a copy of the book to enlighten him on the nature of relation that developed over time between the Moslems and the “Dhimmis”. As you know Islam’s war dry is; “Our life is worst than death. That is why we love death to get rid of our lives. But your life are beautiful. That is why you love life and you do not want to die.” What a code to live with Debbie. Herodotus in his “History of the World” tells us to avoid these people both as enemies and as friends. I wish Obama reads this work of Herodotus.

G. R. SCHAROUBIM on May 25, 2011 at 10:20 am

Debbie,

I will tell you the story of the Arab abd the Camel. It was a cold and windy night, The Arab selpt in his tent and the camel was outside. The camel said to the Arab; Just let me put mu head inside the tent to heek it warm. The Arab aquisced. A little bit later, the camel pleaded to have his neck inside the tent and the Arab ageed. A little bit later the camel asked for his front legs to be inside the tent, tha Arab consented. Letr on it was his belly and later his hind legs. The Arab protested saying there would be no place for me here. The Camel said; then get out of here. This is the game the Arabs are playing with Israel. Keep shisling until you get it all.

G. R. SCHAROUBIM on May 25, 2011 at 10:31 am

Netanyahu is not perfect, that’s for sure, but for a politician I’d trade him for most of those clowns we have
here. Obama can throw Israel under the bus but Netanyahu
cannot throw the USA under the bus. He gave a great speech,
used no teleprompter, and he knows damned well Israel cannot
afford to give up any more land “for peace.” They never should have given up the Sinai or Gaza. You can criticize
this guy, but what a great change from the clownish fool he
succeeded. I hope we can have a similar change in 2012.

Daniel K on May 25, 2011 at 10:31 am

I suspect that Bibi was engaging in some form of Newspeak – which, if you follow politicians and ideology, is not new at all, Orwell notwithstanding.

Maybe it’s his way of saying “I really don’t know what to do but I’m going to do something anyways.” But then I’m clutching at straws.

I’m sick of Newspeak. Speak English, please. And thank you.

The Reverand Jacques on May 25, 2011 at 11:40 am

The very fact that there is any talk of peace now that Hamas is involved is a travesty. Netanyahu talks big but acts very small.

It’s truly pitiful to watch him grovel to the likes of the current American government.

The bottom line is that the salvation of the Jewish people comes from G-d. Those that don’t believe this have no hope and chase more and more bizarre schemes that only lead to more pain and suffering.

The Americans know that the Palestinians will never want peace. The whole push for this phony peace initiative is to placate the Arab masters of our oil supply.

Facts Life on May 25, 2011 at 1:09 pm

I only saw portions of the speech and his interview last night, but I felt he was speaking to congress and the American public to reassure us of our commonalities. This was for PR, sustained relations and hopefully to sway some 2012 voters. He knows they will never agree to recognize Israel so the land borders are of no consequence in actuality.

CJ on May 25, 2011 at 1:25 pm

Debbie,

I always look for your view on a topic because I know that you will cut to the chase and get the real truth. You’re right on target on this issue.

Facts Life on May 25, 2011 at 1:38 pm

Those who think Bibi was just being “political” do not understand the real politics involved–which is for domestic, Israeli, consumption.

Israel’s PMs have been trying to give away Jewish land since it was reconquered in the Six Day War. This pattern is consistent across Israel’s elite stratum, including the Trembler (Haredi) elites; it cannot be ignored in assessing Bibi’s speech, as it provides the context for it.

Bibi desperately wants to get rid of nearly all of the Jewish heartland. He would like to get rid of Jerusalem entirely, but the Tremblers, though prostitutes, wouldn’t tolerate that. So, we get “peace processing.” Bibi and his ilk feel terribly threatened by real Jews. I sympathize somewhat, as Judaism in Israel does not exactly thrill those who are concerned with individual rights. However, as the current regime is not even a democratic republic, but a curious authoritarian mishmash rapidly moving to destruction, I’d side with the believers.

Those who dispute my characterization of Israel’s political system are encouraged to Google “Paul Eidelberg” for details.

skzion on May 25, 2011 at 1:56 pm

The speech was fine and was on target for the intended audience. You wouldn’t present an opera to children in kindergarten because they wouldn’t understand it. Netanyahu explained everything in terms they could understand.

Any speech that long would never make everyone happy, especially Debbie S, because she is so far right. Going into congress with a militant speech would have turned people off to the cause. Now they have a feel-good attitude and think they understand the situation. The point was to win their support, not confront them. But with Debbie it always has to be a fight.

fred on May 25, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    fred sez:

    “The speech was fine and was on target for the intended audience.”

    The real intended audience was Bibi’s cronies at home. As in Ayn Rand’s nightmarish world of Atlas Shrugged, in Israel one does not advance without corruption. The law is quite impossible to follow, so law-breaking is universal. Therefore, every elite member, and his/her family, can potentially be jailed at any time, depending on the existing coalition of forces. There is no constitution, and nothing resembling a Bill of Rights. What we find so bewildering and dysfunctional in Israel derives from basic political problem.

    “You wouldn’t present an opera to children in kindergarten because they wouldn’t understand it. Netanyahu explained everything in terms they could understand.”

    Ridiculous. Netanyahu has no problem explaining difficult matters, and the Republicans are already sympathetic to a responsible Jewish position. Many Dems could also be easily persuaded. While Netanyahu is not much supported by the liberal rich Jews of the US, he is worried about their support for Birdbrain Livny.

    “Going into congress with a militant speech would have turned people off to the cause. Now they have a feel-good attitude and think they understand the situation.”

    What “militant”? It takes much more ingenuity to “explain” Israel’s patently suicidal behavior than it would to tell the truth. However, fred does make one good point. Bibi really does want people to have a feel-good attitude–about expelling Jews from the Land.

    The great advantage of the stupidity of Israeli Jews is that the stupidity of American Jews is put in some context.

    skzion on May 25, 2011 at 5:32 pm

“…So I am saying today something that should be said publicly by anyone serious about peace. In any peace agreement that ends the conflict, some settlements will end up beyond Israel’s borders…”

Then what, the settlers in those settlements become Hamas’ next murder victims, or are their estates seized by Netanboo-hoo to be handed over to Hamas for them to loot and store weapons in?

CornCoLeo on May 25, 2011 at 4:00 pm

Right back @ Facts Life…

“The bottom line is that the salvation of the Jewish people comes from G-d. Those that don’t believe this have no hope and chase more and more bizarre schemes that only lead to more pain and suffering.”

The problem is that God was nowhere to be found when an Austrian corporal conducted a massive social engineering experiment on approximately millions of people over a 6-7 year period.

Salvation comes from the people, the traditions, common sense and reason.

God doesn’t kill people – people kill.

So forget religion and let’s boil it down to the Arabs and the Jews. Even without Islam, the Arabs will still find millions of reasons to destroy the Jews, just because.

In this type of conflict, there is no why.

The Reverand Jacques on May 25, 2011 at 5:14 pm

Skzion: Normally I don’t respond to people, but your response is so bizarre I can’t help myself.
The intended audience was the US congress. If Netanyahu wants to say something to people in Israel, then he does. The complicated stuff you mention is off on a rant about Israeli law.
As far as explaining complicated things goes, a speech to the joint session of congress is not the place and few care about Livny let alone know who he is.
I am not sure why the word “militant” doesn’t work for you. In this context it means argumentative and threatening.
I can tell you are an Israeli who doesn’t like Netanyahu and I don’t have an opinion on him, but when he represents the Israeli people well, you should be happy in at least that. Then at the next election you can vote him out.

fred on May 25, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    fred sez:

    “Skzion: Normally I don’t respond to people, but your response is so bizarre I can’t help myself.”

    “Normally,” then, you do not engage in argument. Yes, I gathered that.

    “The intended audience was the US congress.”

    Please learn to read and think more precisely. The word “intended” begs the question: intended by whom? Anyway, I’m skipping most of your reply because my intended audience is those who would benefit from seeing your example of the Jewish inability to think.

    ……………………………………….

    “I can tell you are an Israeli who doesn’t like Netanyahu and I don’t have an opinion on him”

    Sorry freddy, but I am NOT an Israeli at all. Now don’t you have some female “rabbi” to converse with?

    skzion on May 26, 2011 at 11:01 am

The Reverend Jacques,

“The problem is that God was nowhere to be found when an Austrian corporal conducted a massive social engineering experiment on approximately millions of people over a 6-7 year period.”

This destruction was actually predicted in the bible for those who abandon G-ds laws. See the curses listed in Deuteronomy.

There was massive abandonment of His laws and this is the direct result.

“Salvation comes from the people, the traditions, common sense and reason.”

Common sense and reason argues that there are billions of Muslims with billions of dollars and a stranglehold on the oil production industry. See the activities and pronouncements of the UN and you will learn that most of the world kowtows totally to the Muslim line.

Europe is doomed to become Eurabia in short order. American political stupidity in not developing our own energy sources has made us totally dependent on the Arab oil and American policy will reflect this more and more.

“God doesn’t kill people – people kill.”

So G-d is a wimp G-d that sits idly by as all sorts of horrors go on and does nothing according to you. Best of luck in this random world.

The Jews have been pursued by the best of them over the centuries and miraculously survived. There is no way to explain it except by Divine intervention. This is our only hope.

There is no other alternative. The enemy has numbers, money and political influence on his side. As time goes on in the current framework, this will get worse and worse. The current piecewise dismantling of Israel to forestall the ultimate end is like what Churchill said. Appeasing an enemy is like feeding others to a crocodile in the hope that he will eat you last.

Facts Life on May 25, 2011 at 7:08 pm

PM Netanyahu missed an opportunity to refer to the 800,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries who lost their homes,livlihoods & material possessions. Title deeds to these properties are still held by Jews, compensation to date has been ‘nothing’. However, these Jewish ‘dhimmis’ with backbones of steel and the love of G-d built the foundations for the Israel of to-day. No tribal supremacists, no one was better than the next, a common bond held together by a cultural togetherness gave them a purpose for living.
So what we have on the other side of the wall is the exact opposite. Gimme, gimme, gimme whilst hate festers and their own citizens are murdered In the meantime the West drowns under a tsunami of transplanted medievel ideology.A cunning ploy to spread the message.
To those who comment on the USA’s largess at funding Israel to the tune of BILLIONS. Go to YOU Tube and you will hear PM Netanyahu saying that Israel has invested $50 BILLION in the USA through areas of medicine,advanced technology, patents & other nu-age business. The USA has always had first choice. Israel in to-days financial climate could go ‘open market’ and select other trading partners who are solvent.
What is never mentioned in the same breath is the USA taxpayers cash going to the ME trouble makers. $1 Billion to Yemen, Billions to Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Fatah, Pakistan. The return on this ever flowing stream of cash has been’ a poke in the eye with a sharp stick’. Billions of western currency has gone in the biggest drive towards ‘SECURITY’ of the populace, protecting the people against the same people who are getting the billions.
As Sherlock Holmes said ‘Watson, when is the game going to be up’…..

Eyes Wide Open on May 25, 2011 at 7:36 pm

It seems to me, the average American Christian is more concerned for the Jewish state than most Jews. I suppose that is one of the many implications of the saying “You are your brother’s keeper.” After all, Jews and Christians are brothers.

I believe Israel made a grave error when it ceded most of the the lands it captured in the Six Day and Yom Kippur wars. Since then, Israel has had no bargaining chips, except to withhold appropriate retalitation for rocket and homocide attacks.

U.S. “diplomacy” has only served to help the Islamic cause at the cost of Israel’s security. I propose, that from now on, Israel should act as it sees fit and the U.S. should support Israeli decisions.

Once a majority of U.S. cities are Islamified, we will begin to appreciate what Israel is contending with, from her ‘neighbors.’ Islamification of the U.S. is a top priority to Obama.

May the Creator help those who fear him!

Cody on May 25, 2011 at 8:51 pm

Right back @ Facts Life. Again.

“This destruction was actually predicted in the bible for those who abandon G-ds laws. See the curses listed in Deuteronomy. There was massive abandonment of His laws and this is the direct result.”

So Shoah was a biblical curse, eh? Allow me to tell you a short story.

My dad (of most blessed memory) grew up in a well-off Jewish family in Arzew, back in the day when Algeria used to be French. Even though my great-grandfather was once the Chief Rabbi of Oran, the family lived a somewhat secularised life, notwithstanding concessions to their faith such as the High Holy Days and Pesach.

When the Nazis came into town, Jewish life became a bit rotten. There were restrictions on commerce and curfews galore, but my grandfather, who was a butcher by trade, kept his business. By virtue of his business’s importance in the community – or sheer dumb luck, the Nazis and Vichy collaborationists pretty well left my dad’s family alone.

After the war, it was business as usual. Dad eventually left home to attend a cooking school in Paris, then left to travel around the world until he finally settled in Canada. The rest if the family carried on until the Algerian Revolution in the early 60s. Making matters much worse, they were chased out of Arzew with only the clothes on their backs. Compensation from the French government was next to piddling, to put it gently – a drastic lifestyle change for a group of people who were Algerians for generations.

There is a point to this story. God had nothing to do with my father’s family, and other Jewish families in the Maghreb being spared the horrors of Shoah. Those who were discreet and learned how to “dance” were spared forced labour in makeshift concentration camps. Nonetheless, it was only after the war that things go a little more uncomfortable for the communities in North Africa.

Also, I doubt that Deuteronomy would’ve predicted “Mein Kampf” and the pseudo-sciences of eugenics and “racial-hygene”, all three being the toxic ingredients that helped create the genocides.

I also doubt that the biblical auteurs would’ve predicted the rise of fascistic Islam throughout the ages.

I’d even go out on a limb and say that the Jews themselves have placed too much faith in government and ideology when it came to attaining rights, freedoms and protection. The strength came (and will always come) from WITHIN – within the group, within oneself, not from some heavenly phantom.

It’s always easy to point out that being a “chosen people” helps out a lot in the most dire of times, and that concept kept the Jewish people and faith from becoming extinct. Not surprisingly, there are many other people who could lay claim to that title – most notably “Aryans”, Arabs/Muslims, Blacks and gays. But no offence – the Jews got there first; grab a ticket and stand in line.

I know that I am writing this post straight from the heart and train of thought (and you can forgive me for that), but you can not say that any given event was predicted by God or any other deity or pantheon. For every action there is a reaction. In order to survive, one must adapt. In order to beat the Man, sometimes you must be the Man. In fact, every known civilization – past, present and future – rose and fell under the leadership of whoever wielded the most money, the bigger stick, the best-sounding lies. If God of the Pentateuch, Apocrypha and the New Testament (sorry Latter-Day Saints: “Book of Mormon” does not count) had anything to do with anything that happened since the beginning of the written word, then I can safely say that, as God is my witness, he is one Hell of a trickster.

In DS’s post, it’s not about biblical prophecy or God’s mysterious ways. She was posting about a politician’s apparent doublespeak about dealing with the “Palestinian” issue. And it’s about time to end this whole “Dayenu” mentality that seemed to have permeated contemporary Jewish political discourse. Peace alone is never enough. Without security, resolve and justice, there will never be peace. If the Palestinians want to go back to their homes in Jerusalem, Haifa and Hebron, then they might as well start getting used to being Israelis, because it is just their land.

I know that I should just let this be. But I wanted to get this off my chest before I get back to my regularly-scheduled life.

All the best, FL. My God is also the Devil.

The Reverand Jacques on May 26, 2011 at 12:18 am

Clarification on last post (so much ranting – so little facts)…

Great grandfather was a rabbi in Tlemcen, not Oran. Sorry, Great Grampy.

Second, my grandfather (like my dad and great grampy, of most blessed memory) served in WW ver 1.0 at Verdun, got gassed and decorated. Part of the reason why his shop didn’t get Aryanized was due to a strange loophole in Vichy’s Nuremburg-Lite race laws that allowed Jewish veterans of France’s wars some rights. Whether it was divine intervention or a nicely-veiled “F— You” to the Nazi overlords at the time that made my dad’s family’s lot bearable, I don’t know. But at least I’m here to tell the tale.

The Reverend Jacques on May 26, 2011 at 1:18 am

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