When I first saw the promos for this series a few weeks ago, I threw up a little in my mouth. Since that time, and after watching ‘previews’, my ‘indegestion’ has metastasized into a full blown case of CNN induced botulism.
How an American network can give these people any creedence whatsoever by associating Bin Laden and his followers with GOD is beyond reproach. These people a murderers, plain and simple. THERE IS NO EXCUSE for what they have done, and what they continue to try to do.
What CNN is doing by airing this propaganda borders on treason. It is criminal. It is an accessory to murder after the fact.
The constant drone of anti-truths by the management, editors, reporters, and commentators at CNN needs to be tempered with facts. Amanpour, Michael Ware, Jack Cafferty, Wolf Blitzer, Paul Begala, and that bald, squeaky voiced guy that can’t get two words out of his obnoxious mouth without slamming Bush all need to go back to school and attend the classes they obviously missed about journalistic credibility, because they have NONE.
They are liars that don’t deserve to be in this country. Their only mission in life is to drag as many of us into their ideological septic tank.
USLESS TRASH.

billyoblog on August 21, 2007 at 7:10 pm

Debbie, I’ve barely watched CNN since they invented Fox News, but maybe i’ll watch this thing tonite. The Jewish settlers are maligned mostly because they are important to the safety of Israel. Without them the Arabs would make Jerusalem into another Beirut.

Anonymous1 on August 21, 2007 at 7:17 pm

Believe it or not, but there are extremists in all religions – Muslims, Christians, and Jews alike. I know how terribly persecuted you love to be, but it isn’t always poor Israel versus the big bad Palestine.

jkbramer on August 21, 2007 at 8:08 pm

Of course there are extremists everywhere but only Muslims behead people. If you can’t see the difference between Islam and the civilized religions, then you’re beyond help or you’re deliberately playing stupid. Or you may be a Muslim. If you are, you’d know that Islam is a violent, vicious, bloodthirsty cult that is stuck in the 8th century. Ask the Hindus, the Buddhists, in addition to Christians and Jews. And please, don’t bring up Timothy McVeigh. Come to think of it, why is McVeigh’s Muslim connection not being investigated?

lexi on August 21, 2007 at 8:41 pm

First of all, I’m not Muslim, so that can be scrapped right away. I was raised in a very traditional Roman Catholic environment.
I’m not defending Islam, or any faith for that matter. What I’m merely pointing out is that there is no major faith without blood on its hands, so to constantly attack one while glossing over the rest is a very convenient way to frame an argument.

jkbramer on August 21, 2007 at 8:47 pm

So, what you are saying jk, is that we have no more to fear (in the year 2007) from Radical Islam than we do a mentally ill person who guns down an abortion doctor in the name of Jesus? Do you not listen to the news, or read the paper? Have you not heard of Ahmehnidijad, the Iranian leader who is committed to the destruction of Israel? How about the Taliban? Al-Quaieda? These are tens of thousands of perfectly sane ideologues who are committed to either killing or enslaving you, and wiping out western civilzation and all it stands for. Do you fear that the Spanish Inquisition will arise again, posing an even greater threat to world peace? Can you reason at all?

spiffo on August 21, 2007 at 9:04 pm

jkbramer:
Wrong. You ARE defending islam and you are not defending your faith, if in fact you have faith at all. I’m not sure what liberal church you go to, but if you go to church no doubt it is a watered down liberal one. Muslims, Christians and Jews are not “alike” – as I’m sure you know Christianity derives from Judaism so they are closely linked. Islam does not, that is a lie that we have all been taught. So get a clue – and educate yourself not only about the truths of Judeo-Christianity, but about the lies of islam.

CarpeDiem on August 21, 2007 at 9:12 pm

Repeating for those needing – read and learn.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/

CarpeDiem on August 21, 2007 at 9:17 pm

First of all, I have yet to hear that mental illness was the defense of someone that killed in the name of Jesus. I suppose that it could be said that an extreme religious belief of ANY doctrine is a mental illness. Perhaps that would make sense.
In any respect, the overall theme of my post has been missed. Christiane Amanpour is just pointing out the complexity of religious battles, and the righteousness that each side seems to feel. It is not 100% Muslim vs. The World. Debbie seems to think that pointing out anything else is just ridiculous.

jkbramer on August 21, 2007 at 9:25 pm

Carpe Diem:
At what point did I state that the religions had similar derivations?
What I am saying is that it is not as simple as “all Muslim bad, all other religions okay.” That is an entirely far too simplistic viewpoint of the world.

jkbramer on August 21, 2007 at 9:31 pm

No, jk, instead, it goes something like this: Hundreds of thousands of Muslins who believe western civilization should be destroyed for Allah = BAD! 123 Christians & Jews who murder for their faith = also BAD! Billions of Christians and Jews worldwide who do not believe God commands them to murder = GOOD! Do the numbers mean anything to you?

spiffo on August 21, 2007 at 9:48 pm

jkb,
Your “point” is easily missed because you have made very simplistic statements, such as:
“Believe it or not, but there are extremists in all religions …”
“What I’m merely pointing out is that there is no major faith without blood on its hands,”
Both are irrelevant to the “point” of this thread, i.e – that Amanpour is NOT “just pointing out the complexity of religious battles, and the righteousness that each side seems to feel”. She is engaging in propaganda and moral equivalence. Jewish settlers defending their lives and property are equated with terrorists that target pizza parlors. This is a deliberate setup for tomorrow when the islamic murderers will be portrayed as being ‘forced to violence to reclaim their land’.
Look at the numbers! Compare the number of deaths caused in the name of allah to the number caused in the name of G-d or Jesus. If you cannot see the difference, you have lost your moral compass, along with your faith.

WillPower on August 21, 2007 at 9:49 pm

Jkbramer:
Listen, I’m not going to be convinced of your naive, all religions are equal (equally bad according to you) morally equivalent defense of Islam. Whether you realize it or not you are proving Debbie’s point about what Amanpour is doing on CNN. Probably the reason that you stopped lurking and spoke out is because you agree with Amanpour. Can you answer a few questions for me? What is a dhimmi? What is an apostate? What is taqiyya? What is Sharia? Let’s see how much you know about the religion you are defending.

CarpeDiem on August 21, 2007 at 9:53 pm

Seeing you idiots foam at the mouth over Christiane Amanpour’s special just makes me want to watch it more!
WillPower, which religious group tried to wipe out the Jews: Christians or Muslims? jkb may or may not have lost his faith but you have certainly lost your mind.

jaillibby2 on August 21, 2007 at 9:58 pm

Seems to me jailibby is the guy who believes anti-Christian Nazi propaganda sites. Yes – I remember now, that was before you came back to this site as jailibby2. I remember you were trying to convince us of how the Nazis were Christians as opposed to the truth which was that they were atheists. And since you are an atheist that really gets to you, doesn’t it? Nice try.

CarpeDiem on August 21, 2007 at 10:11 pm

jaillibby2,
Actually, WillPower seems to have a pretty good handle on reality. Christiane Amanpour just suggessted the bombing of a pizza parlor was the only way they could fight back !!!!!
As for who tried to wipe out the Jews, if your suggesting it was Christians based on Hitler, you may has well blame vegetarians, as Hitler was a strict vegetarian. However, it’s interesting to note that the Muslims fought on the side of the Nazis in WWII. Imagine that!!

billyoblog on August 21, 2007 at 10:14 pm

what’s with the user name jaillibby? Guess you haven’t read the news in a couple of months. fuckin’ loser

spiffo on August 21, 2007 at 10:19 pm

jkbramer: You’re doing the “moral equivalence” trick. Again, if you can’t comprehend the difference between Islam and the world’s other religions, I can’t help you.

lexi on August 21, 2007 at 10:23 pm

jlib,
So, who said, “the Middle East would be better off ‘without the existence of the Zionist regime'”?
Who started the Intifada?
Who poses the biggest danger to Jews today?
Stop living in the past!

WillPower on August 21, 2007 at 10:31 pm

CarpeDiem,
The Nazis never professed atheism. Hitler professed to be a Christian. That is a fact no matter how far up your ass you want to bury your head.
billyoblog,
Either you got your head up your ass or you got it up Carpe’s. How many vegetarians compared to Christians in Nazi Germany had anti-semitic feelings and helped Hitler?
WillPower,
It’s not about living in the past, it’s about living with the truth. I’m getting sick of Christians on their high horses in regards to this issue. I hope Christiane Amanpour does a number on them on Thursday.
spiffo,
Bite me! You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

jaillibby2 on August 21, 2007 at 10:58 pm

jaillibby2,
It’s people like you that make it necessary to print “DO NOT EAT” on packets of silica gel.

billyoblog on August 21, 2007 at 11:12 pm

Debbie, i suffered through the whole CNN docudrama. it was a hatchet job like i haven’t seen in a while. Are you related to Tzipi Sclissel of Hebron?

Anonymous1 on August 21, 2007 at 11:14 pm

jk,
Of course there are extremists of every faith. However, Christian and Jewish extremists make the news because they’re unusual. Muslim extremists make the news because they’re common…

KevinQC on August 21, 2007 at 11:37 pm

Crescent is better – Quran – or Qur’an as Robert Spencer says it’s correct spelling is – is how it’s spelt.

Infidel Pride on August 22, 2007 at 12:11 am

I feel left out – no ‘God’s Hindu Warriors’?

Infidel Pride on August 22, 2007 at 12:13 am

That’s a man, baby.

steve ventry on August 22, 2007 at 12:21 am

Jlib,
Read this from pages 9 through 11 of Chapter 1, “Hitler,” of the 1938 edition of Mr. John Gunther’s Inside Europe (New York and London: Harper and Brothers).
“He was born and brought up a Roman Catholic. But he lost faith early and he attends no religious services of any kind. His Catholicism means nothing to him; he is impervious even to the solace of confession. On being formed his government almost immediately began a fierce religious war against Catholics, Protestants, and Jews alike.
….
It was quite natural, following the confused failure to Nazify Protestantism, that some of Hitler’s followers should have turned to Paganism. The Norse myths are a first-class nationalist substitute. Carried to its logical extreme, Naziism in fact demands the creation of a new and nationalist religion. Hitler has indicated this in a speech at Nuremberg in September, 1935. “Christianity,” he said, “succeeded for a time in uniting the old Teutonic tribes, but the Reformation destroyed this unity. Germany is now a united nation. National Socialism has succeeded where Christianity failed.” And Heiden has quoted Hitler’s remark, “We do not want any other God than Germany itself.” This is a vital point. Germany is Hitler’s religion.”
Sounds like Hitler and the Nazis were NOT Christian as you have been brainwashed to believe.

WillPower on August 22, 2007 at 12:29 am

Here’s a link:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/9587/attrelig.html

WillPower on August 22, 2007 at 12:30 am

Jews & Christians believe in the same ten commandments to include Thou Shall NOT Kill. The cornerstone of ISLAM (Muslims) is KILL THE INFIDELS (Jews & Christians and ALL non-believers). Do we need to know anymore about ISLAM? ISLAM is the most dangerous enemy our nation faces.
HELLO?? THEY (MUSLIMS) want to KILL us all. Nuff said.

FingerEleven on August 22, 2007 at 12:38 am

WillPower,
Just because some guy spins shit, doesn’t make it gold. Hitler was a Christian but Christians can’t accept that and lie to the hilt about it.
Go read ‘Hitler’s Willing Executioners’
by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen.
From Publishers Weekly:
Goldhagen’s gripping and shocking landmark study transforms our understanding of the Holocaust. Refuting the widespread notion that those who carried out the genocide of Jews were primarily SS men or Nazi party members, he demonstrates that the perpetrators?those who staffed and oversaw the concentration camps, slave labor camps, genocidal army units, police battalions, ghettos, death marches?were, for the most part, ordinary German men and women: merchants, civil servants, academics, farmers, students, managers, skilled and unskilled workers. Rejecting the conventional view that the killers were slavishly carrying out orders under coercion, Goldhagen, assistant professor of government at Harvard, uses hitherto untapped primary sources, including the testimonies of the perpetrators themselves, to show that they killed Jews willingly, approvingly, even zealously. Hitler’s genocidal program of a “Final Solution” found ready accomplices in these ordinary Germans who, as Goldhagen persuasively argues, had absorbed a virulent, “eliminationist” anti-Semitism, prevalent as far back as the 18th century, which demonized the Jews and called for their expulsion or physical annihilation. Furthermore, his research reveals that a large proportion of the killers were told by their commanders that they could disobey orders to kill, without fear of retribution?yet they slaughtered Jews anyway. By his careful estimate, hundreds of thousands of Germans were directly involved in the mass murder, and millions more knew of the ongoing genocide.
Or read Hitler’s Pope by John Cornwell.
From Library Journal:
Relying on exclusive access to Vatican and Jesuit archives, an award-winning Roman Catholic journalist argues that through a 1933 Concordat with Hitler, Pope Pius XII facilitated the dictator’s rise and, ultimately, the Holocaust.
And let’s not forget Hitler’s own words:
“As a CHRISTIAN I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.”
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

jaillibby2 on August 22, 2007 at 12:56 am

GOODBYE, FingerEleven.
BTW, a great show by Christiane Amanpour. She’s the smartest woman on TV by far. Everyone should see it; if not, a transcript at cnn.com will probably be available shortly.
Once again, kudos to Christiane Amanpour, a smart and sexy woman for the sophisticated male.

jaillibby2 on August 22, 2007 at 1:06 am

Jlib,
Talk about spinning sh-t! Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about your source Goldhagen.
**Debate about his theory has been intense, with many historians of the subject rejecting Goldhagen’s scholarship. The most common general complaints are that his primary hypothesis is simplistic and either unprovable or ill-formed; that he must rely on substantial factual errors and misrepresentations of primary and secondary sources to demonstrate it; and that his methodology requires unjustifiably selective analysis.**
and
**Goldhagen has written a book about the Catholic ChurchÔø?s role in the Holocaust, A Moral Reckoning. A Moral Reckoning was criticized as being riddled with errors and falsehoods and for failing to use any primary sources. In the Weekly Standard, Rabbi David G. Dalin, Ph.D. described it as slanderous bigotry which “fails to meet even the minimum standards of scholarship. That the book has found its readership out in the fever swamps of anti-Catholicism isn’t surprising. But that a mainstream publisher like Knopf would print the thing is an intellectual and publishing scandal.”[2] In the same review, Dalin accuses Goldhagen of engaging in a “misuse of the Holocaust to advance [his]…anti-Catholic agenda.”**
So, you believe someone born in 1959 with an anti-Catholic bias over someone writing about Hitler in 1938 BEFORE the Holocaust.
As to Hitler’s own words, note the DATE – 12 April 1922 – which is BEFORE he wrote “Mein Kampf”. Could be he was just using the words for political purposes? Even, Tom Paine, a self-declared atheist, used appeals to God in his pamphlet “Common Sense”.

WillPower on August 22, 2007 at 2:04 am

JLib,
Here’s what Wiki quotes your source – John Cornwell – as saying more recently about Pius XII.
“Five years after the publication of Hitler’s Pope, Cornwell has somewhat modified his views: “I would now argue, in the light of the debates and evidence following Hitler’s Pope, that Pius XII had so little scope of action that it is impossible to judge the motives for his silence during the war, while Rome was under the heel of Mussolini and later occupied by the Germany.””
Sounds like he’s not so sure anymore. Guess you missed the update.

WillPower on August 22, 2007 at 2:09 am

WillPower posted:
“Talk about spinning sh-t! Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about your source Goldhagen.”
Wikipedia?!?? hahahahahahahhahahhahahahahaha!!!!
Really, that’s the funniest thing I’ve read from you so far. Wikipedia is as reliable as the National Enquirer.
WillPower posted:
{As to Hitler’s own words, note the DATE – 12 April 1922 – which is BEFORE he wrote “Mein Kampf”. Could be he was just using the words for political purposes? Even, Tom Paine, a self-declared atheist, used appeals to God in his pamphlet “Common Sense”.}
You previously posted that Hitler “lost faith early and he attends no religious services of any kind”. So Hitler’s own words contradict your source that he lost his faith. Even if he were using religion for political purposes, guess whom he was appealing to? Muslims perhaps?:P
And yes, Tom Paine declared his atheism just as Hitler declared his Christianity.

jaillibby2 on August 22, 2007 at 2:26 am

Salam I finally saw the Jewish side tonight and that was good, especially I’m Arab. I like to see all sides of the story. And also I know many people don’t defend Islam on here but thank you for the couple that somehow did. I will always defend Islam. I think its true that Christians and Jews need to get off their high horse. Your not better than anyone else, we are all humans and have a heart, and organs inside of us. We all have feelings. On CNN they showed both sides, an extreme Jew side and a moderate, orthodox side, and I believe that is true everywhere.

Muslim man on August 22, 2007 at 2:36 am

For anyone who thinks moral equivalence doesn’t exist or who thinks contemporary liberal culture doesn’t perpetuate it, think of the lines from a Bob Marley tune, “‘Cuz I feel like bombing a church/Now that I know that the preacher is lying.”
Now, go record the same song with the lyrics, “‘Cuz I feel like bombing a mosque/Now that I know that the imam is lying.”
Liberal anti-Christian culture is spineless, passe, untested, useless in gauging and engaging the Islamic enemy. Useless for those handful of Muslims who want to do so, too.

Jeremiah on August 22, 2007 at 2:54 am

Muslim man:
If you are honest with yourself, answer the following question:
Who in 2007 is more likely to try to kill you in the name of God?
A. A Muslim who disagrees with your practice of Islam
B. A Christian
C. A Jew
D. A Hindu
E. A Budhist
A Muslim is far more likely to be kiled by another Muslim “in the name of Allah” than they are to be killed by someone of another religion who claims the sanction of God.
Can you send me any links to any stories in which a Christian murdered a Muslim because the victim was Muslim?
I could send you thousands of links to stories in which Muslims killed non-Muslims in the name of Allah.
Even handedness is not even when only one person holds a knife at the throat of another.
Does everyone have feelings? Yes, but that doesn’t mean that people can’t become monsters.
Hitler was a monster.
Stalin and Mao were monsters.
OBL is a monster.
Violent jihadists are monsters.
Anyone who purposely kills civilians* is a monster. Doing so in the name of a “religion of peace” makes it all the more inhuman.
*I realize that suicide bombers don’t consider non-Muslims to be civilians or otherwise “innocent” so lets go with the Western definition of “civilian”.

JSobieski on August 22, 2007 at 2:57 am

The next time somone holds a knife to your throat or a gun to your head, should I be even handed and see both sides?
Would that be a good time to point out that the punk threatening you and your loved ones has feelings?
This everyone is the “same” crap is garbage. We may be made of the same stuff and we may have the capacity to change, but to deny that our own decision making doesn’t differentiate the character of a person is to deny the importance of morality.
I am no Mother Theresa but neither am I a Hitler.
Are you the same as a murderer? I hope not, but if we are all the same, and murderers exist, than you are a murderer.
See both sides of the argument and turn yourself in.

JSobieski on August 22, 2007 at 3:06 am

Jaillibby2-
You are kidding about Amanpour being smart and sexy, right? I could only watch for 10 mins and all I noticed was a constant anti-Jewish/anti-Israeli commentary by a woman who pronounces “Jews” as “Jooooooooooooooos”.
Very lame.
Sexy – NO. Fugly – YES.
P.S. “JAIL LIBBY” – You must have been devastated when Bush pardoned Scooter. LOL!

CarpeDiem on August 22, 2007 at 3:14 am

Muslim Man:
I’m sure you enjoyed the CNN propaganda.
Since jkbramer ran away can you answer 2 questions for me?
1) What is taqiyya?
2) What is a dhimmi?

CarpeDiem on August 22, 2007 at 3:24 am

That’s a man, yeah baby. Yeah!

steve ventry on August 22, 2007 at 4:40 am

Last night I watched the building of the largest aquarium in Asia. Wonder what else is on to night?

John Cunningham on August 22, 2007 at 6:12 am

“violent jihad is a constant in Islam.”
–Ayaan Hirsi Ali

ontheright on August 22, 2007 at 8:54 am

I’m sorry, that should have read:
“Violent jihad is a historical constant in Islam.” –Ayaan Hirsi Ali

ontheright on August 22, 2007 at 8:56 am

Last night on Discovery Times Channel, they had a special on “IEDs” (improvised explosive devices).
They explained that 99% of IEDs are used in the name of “religion.” Then they showed a global map and named the groups who constantly use IEDs against military personnel and civilians.
EVERY ONE OF THEM ALL OVER THE WORLD WERE MUSLIMS.
In the name of “religion”? WRONG! IN THE NAME OF ISLAM!
Now, about this CNN 3-part series on Jews, Muslims and Christians. If you look closely at the CNN Website about this series and look at the chapters for each show, here’s what you see:
Christians: Christians and Falwell; Politics and Faith; The Culture War
Jews: Holy Land Alliance; Jewish Holy Ground; Murder in Hebron; Settler v. Soldier
And last but not least:
Islam: Wearing the Huab; Daveed’s Story; HOLY KILLING (beheading in the name of Islam); MARTYRDOM (suicide bombing and murdering innocent women and children)
Ummmmm….yeah. Christianity is just as bad as MURDEROUS ISLAM!

cankelz on August 22, 2007 at 9:10 am

Allow me to put this in perspective by paraphrasing Robert Spencer a bit.
The common myth of course is that the world’s problem is “religious fundamentalism” in general, not Islamic jihad in particular.
The fact is that Islamo-Fascists commit violent acts in the name of Islam THE WORLD OVER. Fundamentalists from no other religious tradition have organized into violent groups worldwide. That is because violence and violent imperialism is “fundamental” to the teachings of Islam in a way and to an extent that is not true of ANY other religion.
The way I read Debbie’s column, Christiana Amanpour is propagating the common myth and covering up the truth about Islamo-Fascism. Knowing CNN and Amanpour’s record, I would tend to agree with Debbie with reservations based on the simple fact that I haven’t seen the series for myself yet.

There is NO Santa Claus on August 22, 2007 at 9:16 am

I watched re-runs of Law and Order SVU last night. I dont need the kool-aid of CNN like jaillibby2 does. 50 years from now when our ACLU, politically correct nation falls to the hands of the barbarians, dont come crying to me and my massive gun collection for protection. I’ll put 2 in the back of your head then, and not for the sake of christianity but, for the sake that you will dhimmify like all kool-aid swilling liberals and side with the muslimes wanting to kill me.

RadicalRightWinger on August 22, 2007 at 9:41 am

“Once again, kudos to Christiane Amanpour, a smart and sexy woman for the sophisticated male.”
Smart and sexy? You can bet your arse this Birkenstock wearing boy has trouble getting a date. Dhimmitude obviously affects reasoning ability and/or eyesight.
Update: Margaret Carlson is now off the “Most Ugly Liberal Infobabe List” (just barely). Amanpour will replace her, joining Susan Estrich and Elinore Clift.

Southernops on August 22, 2007 at 10:05 am

Ten Commandments:
The factual word is “…murder…”; not “…kill…”
Hitler:
Let’s see…assume he was Christian…hmm, a Liberal White Christian Meth addict…who throws tantrums when things don’t go his way…and blames the rest of the world for his problems?? Not much has changed no?
Submission:
Still pissed off at ‘God’ because of the ol’ Divine Inheritence clause no? First born son, not first born bastard.
Qur’an or Quran, Hadeeth or Hadith, Shariah or Shuriah…BFD. It all translates to a plaigiarized text of the Art of War…yet, we don’t see businessmen chopping heads off in the name of the almighty deposit slip.
Islam sux.

Nuggler on August 22, 2007 at 10:12 am

You guys are all nuts. I feel sorry for the lot of you.

jsnyder82 on August 22, 2007 at 10:34 am