Deb, our own president (Bill Clinton) was accused, while governor, of raping a nursing home operator, and neither the Arkansas state police, nor our Congress, investigated, even though the woman was a very respectable person.

Israeli justice even trumps America’s in that regard (although I think that this was a shakedown of Katsav).

Jonathan Grant on March 22, 2011 at 2:10 pm

Islamic culture and religion are heartless in regard to their women. Shariah and law based on Shariah in muslim countries is the reason the muslim men in those countries can rape with impunity. If the testimony of 1 woman is not as good as the testimony of 1 man than the woman can never prevail because the man can say he didn’t rape the woman and her word that he did rape her isn’t good enough. In Pakistan, if a woman said she was raped they would convict her for fornicating or adultery unless she had many witnesses to prove the opposite. Most men don’t rape women with a crowd of witnesses around.

Lady in Northern Virginia on March 22, 2011 at 2:55 pm

Lets not forget what happened to Laura Logan. The Egyptians are doing a great job in tracking down the perpetrators of that one!

Shalom Aussie on March 22, 2011 at 2:56 pm

Drudge is a Jew?
(I hate using that term…Jew.It sounds like a slur)
I’d rather say Hebrew.

I had no idea he was jewish.

ebayer on March 22, 2011 at 3:14 pm

DS, that picture of that poor muslim woman in that picture you have in this article speaks a thousand words on how muslim men treat their women. You all remember back a month ago when Debbie wrote an article about what happend to Lara Logan, none of the dumbass “I-hate-Debbie-Schlussel” left wing posters DID NOT mention how muslim men treat their women, and how muslim women who are rape victims are treated in their native countries. All of those stupid leftist posters wrote all types of garbage by libeling our brave soldiers and say that “our soldiers rape muslim women in the middle east, blah, blah, blah”, BS! AND TO ALL OF YOU F**KING LEFT WINGERS WHO POSTED HERE A MONTH AGO AND LIBELED OUR BRAVE SOLDIERS, I F**KING HATE YOUR GUTS WITH A PASSION FOR WRITING LIES, AND GARBAGE LIKE THAT, YOU PATHETIC LEFT WINGERS, I WOULD LIKE TO SPIT IN ALL OF YOUR UGLY LOOKING FACES (forgive me for the caplocks, I got very angry and annoyed on what those morons said about the US military a month ago on this website).

“A nation is defined by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on March 22, 2011 at 3:40 pm

Don’t be so sure that this was justice. Israel is catching on to the fashionable ultra feminist and male hating culture and have railroaded this man. The so called victim waited for a very long time and tried to blackmail Katsav. Shame on the crooked justice system of Israel. And Debbie should be able to see thro this.

MF: I did not know the details of the case and wondered about that. But the point of my column is that Israel gives people–even Presidents–trials and sends them to jail if convicted of committing rape, something that never happens in Muslim nations. DS

MarcelF on March 22, 2011 at 3:45 pm

Sean, you’re first sentence covered exactly how I felt when I first opened this thread. It makes one so sad and so bloody angry at the same time.

Why don’t the Mooooslims just come out and say in their (satanic) religion there is no such thing as rape and if a guy actually rapes a woman, then he is not to blame but the woman he defiled? These pigs make me sick. They are getting away with zooming everyone who believes their religion is the religion of peace. What frauds.

And great point about Bill Clinton. At least Israel prosecutes their men who rape NO MATTER WHAT POSITION THEY HAVE. Ours got away with raping Juanita Broadrick and told her to put some ice on her lip after he fattened it.

And our ex-Prez is still running around with blondes…but the media covers that up so nicely, sorta like they are doing with the Afghanistan civilian murder photos released by Der Spiegel.

Skunky on March 22, 2011 at 4:03 pm

Debbie, whatever you do, please be careful in how you characterize New York Times’ photographer’s Lynsey Addario’s sexual assault by Muslim animals in Libya.

The leftists and usual seminar e-mailers will again accuse you of being insensitive to a woman’s plight.

Its just as well we don’t hear from them about how Israel respects the worth of a woman’s life!

NormanF on March 22, 2011 at 4:08 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368660/Libya-US-female-war-photographer-sexually-assaulted-pro-Gaddafi-forces.html

NormanF., I did not hear about that rape…I’m not surprised.

Boy, the US Media is beneath contempt. They really work hard at covering up certain things!

Skunky on March 22, 2011 at 4:56 pm

By Steven Plaut:

I think I would be more inclined to believe that justice was done in the trial of Moshe Katsav if the Israeli leftist chattering classes, led by Shimon Peres himself, were not running about giddily pronouncing that the trial proves that Israel has one single uniform fair justice system for all.

It does not.

Israel has a dual justice system, under which one standard of
justice applies to far leftists and another to everyone else.

The Israeli judicial system is corrupt and highly politicized. It is biased and functions in many ways as an appendage of the radical Left, and this is true going all the way to the top of the system, where so many of the country’s senior jurists are still openly practicing and preaching courtroom political bias in the name of “judicial activism.”

The court system refuses to defend the basic constitutional
rights, especially freedom of speech, for non-leftists. At the same time it refuses to prosecute and indict Arabs and leftists for treason even in the most egregious cases. Some Arab judges misuse their courtrooms as arenas of a judicial intifada against Israel. The courts castrate the military and prevent Israel from fighting terrorism properly. The judicial system openly persecutes “rightists” and “settlers,” denying them their constitutional rights. All the while pandering to the political petitions of the Far Left.

So while the self-righteous chatterers are patting themselves on the back over Israel’s judicial system being so fair and equitable, it behooves us to wonder out loud if Moshe Katsav would be headed to prison if he were a leftist. It also behooves us to wonder if he would be headed to jail had he not trashed Shimon Peres in the Presidential election of 2000, when Katsav blocked Peres and his Labor Party minions from seizing the Presidency. (Peres did manage to become President later, but he and his Labor Party bolshies always nursed a grudge against Katsav.)

Moshe Katsav was well liked before the charges of sexual
misbehavior were raised against him, much better liked than Shimon Peres. Large protions of the Israeli general public and several leading jurists in Israel are still convinced that Katsav is innocent and was railroaded, perhaps as political payback.

Me personally? I have no doubt that Katsav was always a lech and a skirt chaser and I believe he did engage in inappropriate sexual advances against anything with two X chromosomes. An Israeli Bill Clinton. But did he actual perpetrate violent rape? The court says he did. The court might be correct. And it might not be. I reserve the right to retain a bit of skepticism.

There have been too many abuses of public trust and too many
politicized decisions by the Israeli courts to presume in all cases that they are competent and reliable and fair and objective . The burden of proof is today upon the courts to prove they did not judge Katsav in a politically biased manner. It is the fault of politicized judges that things have gotten to this – where the courts themselves must convince the public that they did not produce politicized miscarriages of justice.

I have no evidence that the Katsav conviction was such a
miscarriage. But I am not willing to presume that Israeli judges are ALWAYS neutral and fair until proven biased. There are too many cases that have already proved otherwise.

Don José Manuel Fernando Villareal de Assumpción Gomez Bolaños Smith on March 22, 2011 at 5:12 pm

Another one by Steven Plaut (citing Ben Dror Yemeni’s article – Yemeni is the Deputy Editor of Ma’ariv):

While my skepticism about the Katsav verdict was the subject of
yesterday’s posting, I thought you would find Ben Dror Yemini’s take on it of interest. Yemini goes much further than I do in condemning it.

Yemini is the Deputy Editor of Maariv, Israel’s 2nd or 3rd largest daily (depending on whether you count the freebie Israel Hayom as one). He is also a regular columnist and blogs. He is somewhat left-of-center, but not too far, and he is militantly Zionist. He grew up in a religious Yemenite family. He is strongly critical of the seditious Far Left and the “Post-Zionists” and devotes perhaps half of his weekly weekend columns to attacking them. (Some of the rest of the time he attacks the Israeli Right.) He admits repeatedly
in his piece that he is not a fan of Katsav and Katsav’s politics.

Yemini’s two-page Maariv article on the Katsav verdict appears
today in Maariv, Dec 31. It is too long to translate but I will
summarize it and paraphrase parts of it for you. Perhaps someone will translate the whole thing into English – if so, I will post it.

Yemini’s column is titled “Judicial Disgrace.” He begins by
paying lip service to feminists and to their attempts to make the public aware of sexual mistreatment of women and other grievances. (Ok, so I TOLD you he is Left of Center!) But he then reminds his readers of the long track record of the Israeli political and media establishment (meaning the Left) in bashing Katsav. It began when Katsav first beat Shimon Peres in the 2000 vote for the Presidency. Yemini recalls how numerous leftwing journalists (including leftwing ultras Gideon Levy and Ron Myberg) in Israel compared the Katsav vote
victory to the murder of Yitzhak Rabin. Amos Oz published at the time a particularly offensive piece in Yediot Ahronot about the Katsav victory, as the triumph of unenlightened religious people and conservatives, and as the impudence of the “Second Israel” (meaning lower-income Mizrachi and working-class Jews). Israel’s leading comedy television program, “Eretz Nehederet,” essentially the Israeli
“Saturday Night Live” (but not aired on Saturday night) then
“Palin-ed” Katsav, turning him into their favorite butte of mocking.

Katsav was regularly vilified by the Israeli media. After all, he is not “one of us,” not a leftwing Ashkenazi yuppie. He is a man who rose from humble origins and poverty in a religious family of Iranian Jews, living most of his life in an impoverished development town in the Negev. The three justices who just found Katsav guilty (they included two women and the radical outspoken Arab judge George Kara) can claim all they want that they were not influenced by the media
frenzy and assault against Katsav (writes Yemini), but their denials are not persuasive.

Yemini then reminds his readers how the whole prosecution case got started. It has dragged on for so many years that most have
forgotten. It began when Katsav himself filed a complaint against the woman (still nameless and referred to in the media as “A”), who had been his Office Manager, when she had wanted to return to her previous job and demanded back pay. She was extorting and threatening Katsav and he filed a formal complaint. When Katsav refused he demands, Ms. “A” hired herself a PR man and started issuing media attacks against
Katsav.

That was when the first claims of sexual harassment were made by her. Note – they were being made by the same woman demanding to return to employment with Katsav! The PR people then linked “A” up with Shelly Yachimovich. The Shelly is the head of the Taliban wing of the Labor Party. She is a far-Leftist and ultra-feminist, dreams of restoring to Israel the Stalinist central planning system that operated here briefly in the 1950s. The Shelly realized she had media
dynamite in “A”. That led to the most disgraceful part of the whole story.

While “A” had never claimed she was raped, The Shelly appeared on Channel Ten TV and announced that she (Shelly) knew that in fact “A” had been raped by Katsav!! The leftist media then opened a blitz against Katsav and convicted him in the press (writes Yemini).

The Shelly was then joined by Mani Mazuz, the leftist Attorney
General at the time, who pronounced Katsav guilty of rape even before the investigation of the allegations had been conducted.

Katsav attempted to defend himself in the media. He made errors.
He bad-mouthed “A”. He attempted to recruit Yemini himself to defend him, and met with Yemini privately to state his case. Yemini says that, unlike Yachimovich, he does not engage in journalist trial by newspaper. But he then writes that if he had, he would have gone public with a Katsav-is-Innocent proclamation. The evidence and material presented to Yemini by Katsav at the time, so Yemini writes now, completely debunked what the rest of the media were running about Katsav. While Yemini says he was skeptical about many of the things
Katsav claimed to him at the time, later the Prosecutor conceded that most of those points were correct. Those confirmations came out when the state was defending its offer of a plea bargain to Katsav against the media onslaught that denounced the plea offer.

There were senior prosecutors in the Israeli system who opposed
indicting Katsav altogether, and who were convinced that there was not enough evidence to make a case. The plea bargain offered Katsav, and rejected by him, would have involved no jail time and a mere concession by Katsav that he had sexually harassed or misbehaved. The prosecutors themselves did not believe “A”. Their written response to the complaints about the plea offer remains classified but is thought to include detailed information on why the complaints about rape by
“A” were not credible and why “A” herself was not a credible
plaintiff. In any case, the whole prosecution case was full of
inconsistencies, contradictions about facts and dates, and other problems.

None of this disproves the fact that Katsav often behaved badly
and improperly, writes Yemini. (So did Clinton but the whole world treats Clinton as a cute if naughty juvenile whose private life is no one’s business. – SP) It just means that the legal case, as opposed to the media case, against Katsav was completely un-solid, writes Yemini.

The end of the story was that Katsav, contrary to the legal advice he was getting, indignantly rejected the plea offer. Had he accepted it, it would long ago have been forgotten by a world that can barely recall who Monica Lewinsky was. Had he argued in court that at his age most men are physically incapable of carrying out a rape, he also might have been cleared. (I assume his machismo did not let him raise
that claim!) Instead, he is now probably to be sent to hard prison time with actual criminals. The Hebrew university leftwing sociology professor accused by several students of raping them was never prosecuted and keeps his university job. The Haaretz journalist who taught at Tel Aviv University and was accused of rape was never prosecuted.

One can only imagine what this is doing to Katsav’s wife and
children. One can imagine how serious is the risk now that he could take his own life.

Don José Manuel Fernando Villareal de Assumpción Gomez Bolaños Smith on March 22, 2011 at 5:23 pm

Remember Lara Logan! Remember the Fogel Family! Remember all the “Honor Killings”! That’s all I have to say! Those who keep silent about these evil atrocities committed in the name of Islam should be ashamed! Israel should not give up one more inch of the tiny piece of land she has left to these barbarians!

Rebecca on March 22, 2011 at 6:19 pm

Don Jose quoting Plaut writes, “it behooves us to wonder out loud if Moshe Katsav would be headed to prison if he were a leftist”. Consider what happened within Hebrew University’s Sociology Department where several lefty professors have engaged in sexual misbehavior at least as egregious as anything Katzav is accused of – and the university tried to cover it up.

Of course, in the Muslim world it doesn’t even need to reach the level of rape. The Iranian movie “The Stoning of Soroya M” shows just the suggestion of sexual impropriety where there is none can be used as a means of social intimidation against a woman. As Syrian-American (and ex-Muslim) writer Wafa Sultan has argued, misogyny is woven deep into Islamic culture.

Raymond in DC on March 22, 2011 at 6:28 pm

Frankly, I don’t get the whole weird concept of a country having both a prime minister (who is in charge) and a president (who’s purpose I’ve yet to decipher). It reminds me of England, where there is a both a prime minister (who runs the country) and a queen (who runs a big house that is a popular tourist attraction). Iran is even more confusing. So who’s in charge? Iyatodlya Hamanytimes? or Achmadinnerjacket?

Irving on March 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm

Debbie the Drudge Report is right wing and pro-Israel, unlike the Times. I think he’s good for the Jews.

A1 on March 22, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Debbie, until you can detach yourself from being Jewish, you will continue to be ineffective with only a small following.

Contrasting Jews with Muslims ain’t working for you either.

There are bigger and more relevant issues on which you should be focusing.

For example, just as the Clinton Administration aided al Queda in Kosovo and in Serbia, and just as the Clinton Administration’s negligence with respect to addressing the threats presented by al Queda led to the events of 9/11, the equally incompetent Obama Administration is now aiding al Queda in Libya, too ….; e.g., not only is there evidence that the rebels in Libya are linked to al Queda, but may I remind you that a large contingent of those so called Libyan rebels went to fight with al Queda against U.S. troops in Iraq, too. In fact, more Libyans than radical Saudi Arabian Wahabists fought with al Queda. Gadaffy is evil. But the rebels are just as evil. Like the Clinton Administration, the Obama Administration has their heads so far up their asses that they don’t have a freaking clue what is going on in the Middle East or anywhere else in the real world.

D&B: Ah, the Anti-Semites Come A-Callin’. DS

Dianne & Brian on March 22, 2011 at 9:50 pm

That’s a wuusy cop-out, Ms. Strussel. Without lying, exaggerating or distorting the facts, you will never be able to provide any [credible] evidence that we are anti-Semitic.

We’re disappointed in you. Viciously accusing us of being anti-Semitic because we offer you constructive criticisms or because we disagree with you is sleazy, ignorant, shallow petty and beneath anybody who has your credentials, well, unless, of course, your credentials are inflated and not what you claim that they are. In any case, if you have a conscience, and if you’re not suffering from malignant narcissiism, you would should be ashamed of yourself for making such an irresponsible remark.

Making screwy assumptions and nasty conjectures which aren’t supported by any facts aren’t valid arguments. You’re just venting, and that is childish. Grow up, Ms. Schlussel. We gave you more credit than you deseve.

Dianne & Brian on March 22, 2011 at 10:38 pm

Two names? I just don’t get that. Unless you’re siamese twins.

Not sure why you’re attacking DS. She delivers stuff no one else does and her Judiaism is prolly why she is so good at what she does and lots of us here like that.

You have also been in Jon Grant’s grill…one of the most respected regulars on this blog and frankly, I was clueless as to why you TWO (??) chose to attack him.

Those not coming here and valuing what DS are only hurting themselves.

Skunky on March 22, 2011 at 11:27 pm

D&B, typical anti-semite. Instead of trying to disprove Debbie’s comment you attack her, so what else is new.
What the hell is your purpouse here anyway? Think you can do it better?..get your own website. From what I’ve read from your previous comments, you really have nothing new to offer.

theShadow on March 22, 2011 at 11:37 pm

To D & B:

If you two (?) really don’t know why Debbie, and now also theShadow called you anti-Semitic, maybe I can help.

It is when you wrote at your 9:50 pm post:

“Debbie, until you can detach yourself from being Jewish…”

It is more than reasonable to infer that that is an anti-Semitic statement, thus making you two (?) anti-Semites. If that’s not your intent, then would you mind explaining as to what you meant by that.

JeffE on March 22, 2011 at 11:46 pm

Ah, now Ms. Schlussel’s sock puppets come out to defend her. In view of her previous sleazy comments, why aren’t we surprised? Pathetic …., but funny in a weird kind of a way.

Dianne & Brian on March 22, 2011 at 11:49 pm

It’s a no brainer, Jeffy. She’s too emotional on that issue, IMHO and, therefore, utterly incapable of being fair, rational, logical and objective on those particular issues, IMHO, although she might delude herself that she is being rational. Debbie isn’t dumb, not by any means. But too often she thinks with her heart, not with her brain, and in doing so, she distorts the facts to get them to conform to her wishful thinking, to her misconceptions born out of ignorance, and to her delusions, also.

I would clean her clock if we were adversaries in a court of law.

BTW, leaving up both of our names is easier than having to type them in individually each and every time. It’s also to let you know that I’m here under adult supervision.

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 12:02 am

“previous sleazy comments”…HUH??????…what did I miss?

Amazing, D&B, the best you could do is prove our point?
Now that is really pathetic.

theShadow on March 23, 2011 at 12:08 am

Well then, Diane & Brian, tell me (and Debbie and other readers of this site) what has Debbie said here that is not true? Or was there any relevant points that she did not make?

JeffE on March 23, 2011 at 12:12 am

“I would clean her clock if we were adversaries in a court of law” Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 12:02 am

So now you’re lawyers? Seems to me like you’re trying to be judge and jury too. So how’s the weather up there in your ivory tower?

theShadow on March 23, 2011 at 12:20 am

You’re taking my words out of context, and you’re twisting them to get them to conform to your screwy, preconceived notions.

If you can’t do better than that, I’m not going to play with you anymore.

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 12:47 am

BTW, leaving up both of our names is easier than having to type them in individually each and every time. It’s also to let you know that I’m here under adult supervision.

So which of you is the adult? Seems to me neither.

You could have made the same critique w/o mentioning Debbie’s religion/race. By doing it, you just opened yourself to the suspicion people have that you are anti-Semitic.

And why this allergy over comparing Jews & Muslims? Yeah, we know Jews are light years ahead of Muslims in any positive sense of the word, but that doesn’t mean that the contrast is not merited. Regardless of whether Katsav was actually guilty of rape or not, the fact that he was sentenced speaks volumes. In a Muslim country – not just Arab, but any Muslim country, the victim would have to produce 4 witnesses to prove that she was raped, and since nobody can, she’ll be suspected as being guilty of adultery, and then stoned.

In the main paragraph of your first post, I didn’t notice any material difference b/w your criticism of the Libyan rebels vs what Debbie has already written about them. So the attack on her ‘focus’ was needless, since she has already written 2 or 3 articles about what’s going on in Libya.

Infidel Pride on March 23, 2011 at 2:24 am

Let’s see if you’re capable of being reasonable and rational, Infidel.

Here’s the analogy:

I’ve observed with Sarah Palin’s ditziest supporters that, rather than trying to elevate their own candidate by pointing out and emphasizing her merits, they viciously trash other candidates whom they perceive ro be people who would be her opponents in the 2012 primary, one effect of which is that they create a perception that, in their own recognition of the fact that Ms. Palin is too weak to run on her own merits, they need to bring her opponents down to her level, and another effect, of course, is that they just give Democrats ammunition to use against Ms. Palin’s Republican opponents, both effects of which are unethical, unprofessional and historically ineffective. That was what Tea Partiers did with Mike Castle when he was running against Christine O’Donnell, and that was what Sarah Palin did (with the help of Tea Partiers from California) when Lisa Murkowski was running against Joe Miller – to the detriment of Republicans in both instances.

What I was [suggesting] to Ms. Schlussel was that it would be more effective to promote the benefits of Israel than to make disparaging remarks about Muslims, the latter of which accomplishes nothing, other than that Ms. Schlussel insults the intelligence of people who have already heard enough about the threats of Muslim terrorists since 9/11 that Ms. Schlussels comments on that issue are redundant, senseless, tedious and sometimes even specious, well, other than that they enable her and other impassioned hotheads to vent for no useful or productive purpose.

What she does inadvertantly, also, is that she trivializes events in the Middle East, causing some people to have a perception, rightly or wrongly, that this blood feud between the Hatfields and the McCoys is getting tiresome. She should be focusing on the bigger issues, not personalities. Do you get my drift?

If not, no big deal.

BTW, FYI, There are in excess of 300,000,000 people in the USA, alone, and yet probably less than a hundred of the same people bother to post comments on in excess of a hundred blogs, because lots of other people have gone to those unimaginative, short-sighted, poorly managed blogs, read the same monolithic, boring, uninformative and monotonous opinions, and then moved on in exasperation, wasting a valuable resource. In fact, in stark contrast to a few years ago, few people take blogs seriously anymore, ’cause now they’re mostly just forums for blowhards and bullsh*t artists who don’t know squat about the issues which they discuss, and because people well informed on the issues have moved on in exasperation with people whose ignorance and pettiness are stunning …, and who are so lame that, for example, in their frustration whenever they can’t come up with a valid argument, they resort to the sleazy tactic of calling someone anti-Semitic. That’s like waving a red cape in front of an already focused bull; not exactly an effective deterrant. Now, y’all have a nice day, ya hear.

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 7:27 am

BTW, if Ms. Schlussel is so insecure and so shallow that she wants only obsequious sycophants to post here, she should post it, and we won’t bother to come here anymore. Otherwise, let her fight her own battles. She is a grown up now, presumably.

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 7:49 am

Dianne & Brian,

In my 12:12 am post I had asked you in response to what you wrote at 12:02 am to tell what Debbie wrote in this post either that is not true or if there was any other relevant points that Debbie didn’t make. Reading your response to Infidel Pride at 7:27 am, it seems that the answer to those questions are that in fact everything Debbie wrote here is true and that missed no relevant points. Instead your complaint is about something else.

Let me explain how Debbie operates:

In deciding what topic to talk about, she looks at what others in the media are covering and if the media generally, or sometimes the conservative media in particuliar, covers an issue to Debbie’s satisfaction, then she won’t comment on it. For example, on the debate on ObamaCare, the conservative media has done a good job on covering that issue and Debbie agrees with the conservatives on that issue, and so Debbie has felt it unneccessary to discuss that issue and has written very little on it. However, on stories that either the media generally, or the conservative media in particuliar either ignores, or are not covering properly, that is when she comments. Sometimes Debbie breaks stories that she is the primary source, or has sources that report only to her. For the most recent example, Debbie has just written a post reporting that a Fox News reporter had stolen her exclusive story on a bomb that was found in the McNamara building in Detriot that Debbie had posted here on Friday.

To be continued…

JeffE on March 23, 2011 at 8:30 am

…cont’d

So why does Debbie report on the Muslim threat a lot?

Because, and in accordance with what I just wrote at 8:30 am, the media generally report very little on it, and on a lot of stories, ignores it completely. It is also a real danger as they are threatening to impose Islamic law both here, Britain, and elsewhere. It’s a very important story and very few others are covering it, thus why Debbie writes on this a lot, and rightly so, and it’s a very important story.

To be continued…

JeffE on March 23, 2011 at 8:44 am

Cont’d

Now for this post in question:

The NY Times had reported that former Israeli President Moshe Katsav had been sentenced to seven years in prision for rape.

As Debbie said above, she wasn’t going to write on this story but because anti-Semites and some of here readers here had asked for Debbie opinion on it. The anti-Semites who wrote Debbie probably said something along the lines of, “See, that Israeli Jew Katsav was convicted and sentenced to rape. That proves that therefore Israel and the Jews are every bit as bad as we have been saying that they are.” Yet no mention of the rape that Muslims have been doing–and I’m sure that most of the anti-Semites in question are Muslims. Hence, why Debbie made a comparision between how Israel/Jewish people handles rape allegations verses how the Muslims do.

I hope that I have given you (Dianne and Brian) a better understanding of how Debbie operates generally and why she wrote this post in particular.

Have a nice day.

JeffE on March 23, 2011 at 9:02 am

Dianne & Brian–

Debbie, like many other people, is hyper-sensitive to what could possibly be perceived as an ethnic slur. Like it or not, this is the sad consequence of more than a century of identity politics in the US.

Yes, this situation is deplorable, and while most people will say that they are against PC, many still prefer it when it applies to how they might be treated.

I suspect that she is also carrying some guilt for so many of her nominal coreligionists who are not only Leftist in politics, but who have no sense of morality, either.

She will also post replies to comments in haste and anger, but that is true of many on this blog.

Red Ryder on March 23, 2011 at 9:12 am

You’re very nice to take the time, JeffE. I appreciate your patience.

But from what I’ve read so far, you’ve missed Brian’s point,.

No matter. We’re essentially on the same page, and you’re preaching to the choir.

Thanks for your courtesy, as in sensibly requesting a clarification, instead of reacting rashly.

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 9:16 am

What I was [suggesting] to Ms. Schlussel was that it would be more effective to promote the benefits of Israel than to make disparaging remarks about Muslims, the latter of which accomplishes nothing, other than that Ms. Schlussel insults the intelligence of people who have already heard enough about the threats of Muslim terrorists since 9/11 that Ms. Schlussels comments on that issue are redundant, senseless, tedious and sometimes even specious, well, other than that they enable her and other impassioned hotheads to vent for no useful or productive purpose.

D&B

If the goal is to point out to everybody making policy and everybody observing them that Muslims are savages and Islam is worse than your average cult, then pointing out the benefits of Israel is not only irrelevant, but also doesn’t contribute a micron towards the recognition that the root cause of all these problems, be it oil, terrorism, human rights abuses, misogyny, homophobia, et al is Islam and Muslims.

All of the policies that have been promoted by both Democrats & Republicans have been on the assumption that there is nothing wrong w/ Muslims in general, and that shouldn’t even be a factor in considering any policies towards them. That’s why all these posts displaying the savagery of Muslims are very relevant, and things like how civilized Israel is, while true, is a complete red herring in this context. In the above post, people were commenting on Israel’s former president being a rapist, and it was perfectly legitimate to contrast that, say, w/ the UAE sheikh who abused a gay man in Switzerland and is now getting sued in Boston.

It’s not just about defending Debbie. It’s about keeping the focus on the fact that Muslims are barbarians.

Infidel Pride on March 23, 2011 at 9:31 am

Brian would disagree with you, Infidel.

He comes at these issues from a different perspective than you and I do. He has trained Muslim and non Muslims soldiers in Turkey, Iraq, Afganistan and in the Phillipines. He has respect for them. He considers many of them to be fine soldiers, not barbarians.

Many of their ancestors were navigating the oceans, working with mathematics, astronomy and sciences, using silverware, plates, chalices and table linen, going to school daily, growing their own produce and breeding animals when your ancestors were still living in caves.

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 9:54 am

Thanks for confirming what I suspected about both of you – your claims of adult supervision notwithstanding.

Their ancestors did a good job conquering a huge empire from Morocco to Indonesia, and yeah, Arab seamen were good enough to conquer islands populated by people who were essentially wimps. That’s why primarily Buddhist islands like Maldives fell to Arab seamen. They failed to Islamize places like Ceylon, and encountered tough resistance in Indonesia, which only Islamized after a leading Hindu dynasty there voluntarily converted to Islam.

Math? Don’t make me laugh. Everything the Arabs claim was either invented by Chinese, Greeks, Hindus, or others. It’s like a kid in a classroom being a point guy for passing notes b/w different students of the class while writing none himself, and then taking credit as one of the bright bulbs in the class.

Similarly for things like silverware, tapistry and the like – all stolen or plagiarized from superior cultures like the Persians (Sassanids), Greeks, Egyptians (Coptic), Indians and so on.

Try something else, instead of the propaganda the local Muslims fed Brian, which he was only too happy to lap up!

Infidel Pride on March 23, 2011 at 10:18 am

Weird to see this post tagged as “sephardic jew” – and only this one.
Will you post Olmert’s/avodah’s bribery cases, Likud’s “return” of Jewish land and other cases as “ashkenazi jew”?

You’re helping the Israeli left defame an innocent men just to prove your point that Israel is different than all Arab States – and that’s not even true in this case. This, like the anti-Semitic show trials of Jews in medieval Europe and Muslim countries, was a phony trial used as a pretext to punish someone for opposite political/religious views.

Attorney Tamar Harpaz of the Zionist Women’s Forum told Arutz Sheva’s Hebrew-language news service Tuesday that Katzav was a victim of injustice. “I have said that I do not feel comfortable with the very conviction,” she said. “My feeling all along was that the person sitting on the defendant seat was not a [criminal] sex offender.”

The Katzav trial was “a sold game,” she said. “The women’s groups wanted to see him in jail, they kept going back to their familiar modes of operation. We saw them today in the courthouse plaza, shouting for joy and dancing when the sentence was pronounced. I think it was improper, a trial should not be conducted like that. Unlike those women’s groups, it was Katzav’s lawyers who showed dignity and respected the court.”

“One cannot help but note that the court originally wanted to read out the sentence on International Women’s Day (March 8), and this gives away the fact that the game had been sold,” the columnist-activist said.

Jake on March 23, 2011 at 10:38 am

Many of those “barbarians”, as you call them, are fighting (and dying) alongside American soldiers and Marines to protect you and your family, not just to protect their own families.

But hey, believe what you want to believe. Makes no difference to me. It won’t alter the facts.

BTW, the foundation of that Persian Empire to which you referred is now Iran and Iraq. Even I knew that. LOL

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 11:06 am

Infidel–

Well said. The spurious notion that Islam invented all these technologies is accepted in blind faith, by many who should know better.

Related to this is the idea that every Muslim country voluntarily converted to Islam–and that is absolutely believed by all Muslims.

Blind faith combined with no shame or morality can work “wonders.”

Red Ryder on March 23, 2011 at 11:08 am

There is a bridge connecting San Francisco & Marin County that I’d like to sell you. Interested?

Yeah, the civilized Persian empire – which followed a far more civilized religion called Zoroastrianism – was overrun and Islamized, w/ the result that we have today – an Islamic republic of Iran and an Islamic republic of Iraq. And guess what – when the Muslims were invading Infidel lands, the Persians, Egyptians, Greeks, Indians, et al were not living in caves, as Brian’s Muslim pals would have you believe.

Incidentally, know why the Sassanid empire fell that easily? Their capital Ctesiphon was where Baghdad is today, which was just on the border of the Persian empire and the Arab territory. So it was the first place the Arabs struck, and once it fell, there was chaos in the rest of the Persian empire. If the Persians had a more central capital that helped them prepare for an invasion, they’d probably have done better. After all, the Indians, who were invaded later, put on a far stiffer resistance, despite being less hegemonistic than the Persians.

Infidel Pride on March 23, 2011 at 11:15 am

I’d like to clarify something that seems to confuse, not only Debbie, but plenty of Jews and non-Jews alike.
The term Sephardic Jew is applied only, and I repeat only, to Jews that originated from Iberia (Spain & Portugal)and were spelled in the 15th century and beginning of the 16th century, and speak, or spoke ladino at one time of another.
Moshe Katsav, being born in Iran is not a Sephardic Jew, he is a Mizrahi(Oriental) Jew. At no time did the jews from Arab (and Persian Jews in this case) lived in Iberia or spoke ladino, there may be a few exceptions; but as a rule, none of the Jews from that part of the world are, or have been, Sephardic Jews.

Leon. on March 23, 2011 at 11:26 am

I’m not a Jew, and I confess not knowing anything about this. But I would think that Jews living in countries east of the Arab empire – Iran, India, Singapore – would be different from the usual – Ashkenazi, Sephardic, et al, right?

Particularly if their origins are from those countries themselves. After all, Zoroastrian Persia did permit Jews religious freedom, which they again regained under the Mongol Ilkhanate. Similarly, Jews in India had local origins, and didn’t necessarily migrate from Israel anytime, or did they? How about the ones in Singapore? Racially, aren’t these Jews essentially Aryan Jews? Or do all Jews have racial roots in Israel, and nowhere else?

Infidel Pride on March 23, 2011 at 11:31 am

You don’t have any of your facts straight, and with good reason: You’re making them up and winging it as you go along. LOL

This site must be the ward in the rest home for old blowhards and bullsh*t artists, segregated for your own safety and to keep other old coots from beating the sh*t out of you. LMAO

What time does the nurse come around to give you your meds and your jammies, to get you to use your bed pan and and to tuck you in for your afternoon naps, you batty old coots? (Not to be disrespectful, mind you.)

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 11:42 am

(Not to be disrespectful, mind you.)

But of course! And what was it you were saying earlier about Debbie being the one who was insecure & shallow? First, you insult her religion, then you pick on my ancestors (w/o even knowing my ethnic background) and finally, you decide that we are all on our deathbeds. Spoken like a true Muslim, even if you’re not.

Besides, who better to give you the facts than Muslim revanchalists who having won those wars are free to write whatever they like, and pass it on as history, particularly to gullable saps such as Brian

Infidel Pride on March 23, 2011 at 12:02 pm

Dianne and Brian, no one here is interested in your assertions of how wonderful some muslims are. The fact of the matter is, the law Muslims live under run in direct conflict with the rights we enjoy as westerners..

Islam has been built and endured on lying, stealing, enslaving, raping, murdering….The only place in the Middle East that doesn’t hold to these “qualities” is Israel alone.

And why should Debbie “seperate herself” from her “Jewishness”? It is a part of who she is, and definitely a part that makes her a target to the very Muslims you poorly attempt to defend here.

There will never be peace with Islam because Islam doesn’t want peace with non muslims..Period. I don’t care how much sunshine was blown up your boyfriends behind by the Muslims he interacted with. Lying to the kafir is not only recommended for Muslims, it’s expected.

Christine on March 23, 2011 at 12:09 pm

Debbie, you may want to look into how muslims treat eachother generally. Once observed, (it’s all in plain view, on the Internet, for example), it then becomes clear that, when it comes to the “muslim world,” we are not dealing with a civilization, but something dark and sinister; and there is a complete absence of civility. So this is how we should understand the PA, Hamass, the Fogel murders, etc. Look, as another example, at the public executions in Iran, where children are in attendance as spectators. And contrast that to the U.S. where executions are limited to a small number of interested parties; and where the judicial process is open to all. In the “muslim world” the jucial process is secret; but the exections are in public; for all to see: This is a violent, degenerate “society.”

Lance on March 23, 2011 at 12:22 pm

Oh gosh, D&G, you’ve totally given yourself away as a very freakish person. I had the first inkling of that when you tried to take Jon Grant’s post a few threads back out of context. You were just looking for an internet row. Bore, snore.

In your haste, you exposed yourselve(s) and DS got it right in one pithy line. That’s why we come here…it’s not sucking up, we know we are gonna get something here other conservatives are too wimpy or PC to say.

DS is far, far beyond all the faux-Mooooslim nice-ities. That’s another reason we come here. We are beyond it too.

DS knows her stuff. Those who have been here awhile know that they had better know it as well or better. We do have gentile disagreements, but we also know how to write them out as to not come off as a blowhard as you did with her and Jon Grant.

Some of us are not so arrogant as to puff up to DS when we know she can better us in an argument. She is bar-none on Islam. Some of us have known this for 10 years.

So you are wrong when you(se) get all agro because she sussed you out. All the sudden when she responded to you TWO, you started speaking to her as you were a hater. 1) You should NOT have been so arrogant and 2) you BOTH have done what you accused her of doing (as well as to Jon Grant). Hypocrites.

There are nice ways to write out your disagreement. DS prolly has not the time for such BS, and besides, in her one sentence, she sussed you out. Proven by your many chest-thumping posts since then.

What you mistakenly see as obsequiousness is just gratitude that DS is not zooming us on the Moooooooslim conflict. Those who respect that (this is her site after all) know how to not come off as a-holes if and when we disagree with her or not. We get something of value from this site. If you can do better, where the hell is YOURS?

Skunky on March 23, 2011 at 12:27 pm

To expand on Leon’s {worthwhile] contribution, a little known fact is that some of those Jews to whom Leon referred were the very same Jews who joined Hernando Cortez’s expedition out of desparation and fled to what is now Mexico to escape from the Spanish Inquisition and, as legend now has it, to open the first deli in the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan, while a few of the more enterprising ones went on to California to open MGM Studios and Starbucks, and the rest is now history folks.

Whatever you say, Christine. If you want to remain ignorant, that is your prerogative. It is still a free country. I will defend your right to be stupid.

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 12:37 pm

Doesn’t it embarrass you dorks that you’re Jewish and I know more about your history and culture than you do? It should.

Dianne & Brian on March 23, 2011 at 12:48 pm