I’m not surprised…. the Russians have FSB which has a relationship with FPS. There’s a federal agency overseeing internal security and another federal agency there overseeing border protection. Do we want an FSB? No, I don’t think so.

Congress was specifically emphatic about not establishing a federal police. I guess J-No and the Homeland Security honchos didn’t read the memo.

Bad, funny and scary is the understatement of the year.

NormanF on January 4, 2011 at 1:42 pm

Way back in the early 90’s I tried applying for a position with the DEA and the FBI… I was told “there is currently a hiring freeze; we can only hire Spanish speaking latinos at this time”.

OK, that’s obviously a big bonus for the DEA to hire people who can blend in with those who make up a large part of the southern US drug trafficking business…

But I guess it’s a good thing I didn’t get in, or I’d probably be one of those seriously screwed agents formerly known as “Senior” now…

Doda McCheesle on January 4, 2011 at 1:54 pm

Sheriff Paul Babeu on Napolitano’s Afghan Trip: “It’s Outrageous!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWAdBYPm7WE

This is a no-kidding call to you in regards to our lifeline. Obviously there are many other SAFE costs which we are not even touching here, such as the SAFE website, and which for the most part, thankfully, have been met by other means Plea…se help if you can.

http://patdollard.com/2011/01/new-safe-on-the-border-episode-and-patrol-base-6k/See more

Capt-Dax on January 4, 2011 at 1:55 pm

This is all of government. White guys are only supposed to pay the taxes and fight the wars. Forget about getting hired by the government agencies (unless your father or sister work there).

That brings up another point. The amount of nepotism in government is incredible. Entire families (Mother, father, son, daughter, cousins) work in the same government agency, in the same building.

Turning back to the topic at hand, remember when the liberals used to make fun of the conservatives who talked about jack booted domestic storm troopers? That day has arrived.

Jonathan Grant on January 4, 2011 at 2:14 pm

Actually, the term “Jack-Booted Government Thug” was coined by a DEMOCRAT…..John Dingell !!

Shootist on January 4, 2011 at 2:34 pm

Im sorry this has nothing to do with your column it is so goofy how Arabs think.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20027199-71.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

sal on January 4, 2011 at 3:02 pm

As it happens, J-No also popped into Israel to look into things like airport security – no doubt questioning why Israeli security doesn’t make one remove shoes or limit your carry-on shampoo. No full-body scanners or pat-downs either.

But if anyone thinks she’ll take real lessons back to TSA – like fully integrating intelligence into the security process, hiring ex-military as screeners, or looking for the bomber not the bomb – forget it. Wouldn’t be politically correct.

Raymond in DC on January 4, 2011 at 3:10 pm

Well….I think the woman looks kinda hot.

They didn’t really show the prisoners long enough to easily tell their races, but certainly some of them were white, in contrast to the affirmative-action agents.

And the definition of human trafficking is becoming more and more expansive, just like the definition of ‘rape’. While I am naturally strongly opposed to real rape and human trafficking, the definitions of both are becoming so expansive, that now they can say illegal aliens coming here to have anchor babies were victims of trafficking, and the poor dears and their anchor babies should be made at home here at the expense of the taxpayers.

Little Al on January 4, 2011 at 4:00 pm

LA, the Muslims have a sordid record of trafficking in the sex trade and human misery. And we keep importing them here.

I don’t see the new HSI being overly concerned about it.

NormanF on January 4, 2011 at 4:20 pm

Debbie: Wasn’t it Barry himself who said something about having a civilian police force as well armed as the military? Something like that anyway. So is this just Barry’s way of working his up toward an army of Brownshirts or Blackshirts or whatever color shirt they decide to wear? A force that is loyal to Barry and NOT to the Constitution which, as you know, the military swears to support and defend. But not these people. I think I’m going to go out now and look for a new gun.

kenny komodo on January 4, 2011 at 4:25 pm

That video really is comical! No doubt produced by the former Customs Agents who did all they could to get rid of any name associated with immigration!

Mahalo on January 4, 2011 at 6:05 pm

The term ENFORCEMENT has disappeared and ICE is ending up with the name of ‘Homeland Security Investigations’ – which I guess is fitting because ENFORCEMENT under the Obama Administration is officially a thing of the past. Actually – HSI sounds like some kind of cheesy detective show on TV.

Take a look at the link below – despite the fact that Detention and Removals is budgeted for $2.75 billion (to include $200m for Secure Communities) – which is almost half of the agency’s budget and far more than Investigations – somehow they are left out of the new name….and the video (fortunately for them). I’m not sure what moron thought of ‘HSI’ – but it is assenine.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24704564/ICE-Fact-Sheet-FY2010-Budget-11-5-09

P.S. – Any female law enforcement officer that wears spiked heels like that on the street while on duty is a flaming idiot. Not only can she not do her job appropriately – she is a danger to her partner and society. You want to be taken seriously – use commonsense and dress the part.

belugajedi on January 4, 2011 at 8:40 pm

Seems all they do is investigate and then spend tax money on new names and logos. So how much is this new new name going to cost us in letter head, business cards, t-shirts, office signs and contracts? Do they even let the paint dry before redecorating at our expense?

ender on January 4, 2011 at 8:47 pm

The video is totally embarrassing. The female agent struts around like a street walker, overly trying to shake her ass, she’s probably some manager’s special on-the-side girlfriend. I think the black agent is one of the three black agents that hastily formed the ICE the National Association for African Americans in the Department of Homeland Security (NAADHS) and came out in support of Julie Myers after she was involved in the black face Halloween party incident. From my understanding, all three black agents received “promotions.”

ICE has the lowest qualification standards in the federal government for criminal investigators (GS-1811) and it shows. There are drug users, drug dealers, gang members, mentally unbalanced people, and people so out of shape and obese they cannot even walk in ICE law enforcement positions. In some instances, one doesn’t even need a high school diploma or GED to become an in special agent, and there are absolutely no physical standards. The ICE special agent hiring does not even meet the requirements for the 1811 position as specified by OPM; no one cares.

Probably in reaction to Janet Napolitano’s (AKA Nappy) actual or perceived social engineering, white males are now considered out of favor for hiring (note in most pictures with Nappy in them there are no white males in the picture, or the while males are on the peripheral). The word is that Dinkins wants to increase minority hiring even more. A few months back CNN did a piece on ICE and in relation to ICE’s primarily hiring minorities because they were viewed as more empathetic to illegal aliens, and therefore better employees. The head of the ICE academy, one Joseph Wolf, stated that minorities were better employees. Now, turn that on its head, could you imagine the public outcry if ICE came out and stated that white males were better employees, and as such ICE would be primarily focusing on hiring them? They interviewed an ICE academy student who was from Cuba (one has to wonder if at one time he was an immigration scofflaw) whose English was horrible–he could not even pronounce “shark,” he pronounced it “char-ck.”

ICE is being staffed more and more by re-hired retired people (re-hired annuitants) who have no loyalty to the government, only their masters at ICE (they actually have people in the field that are supervised by a retired person). Take the ICE academy for example, my friend there tell me that the upper management positions are all mostly staffed by retirees–you can see what ICE thinks about its most important resource, its people. In addition to that ICE upper manager (both current and retired) is hiring their relatives and family friends for special agent positions–Nepotism flourishes at ICE.

Is it any wonder that ICE is the laughingstock of the LE community?

King David on January 4, 2011 at 8:54 pm

Debbie I think you mean well, in that you are a self-proclaimed watch dog for an agency that is as large as DHS, with so much authority, and an incredibly large budget. However, in your zeal to find injustice you have misrepresented the Special Agents of ICE-OI, HSI or whatever you want to call 1811s within DHS, since the inception of the agency. You boast of your many contacts within ICE, but the simple truth is you are not an agent; you do not do the job, so you have no idea. The bottom line is that the 1811s are by definition charged with conducting complex criminal investigations into violations of the United States Code, Title 8, 18, 19, 21, and 50. We are not to pick up illegal aliens, we are not to solve the countries immigration issues and we are in no way a national police force. Our agency’s managers are made up of more people like you, in that they have no idea what we are supposed to be doing and/or how we are to do it. An unfortunate result of this ignorance is that the 1811s, ICE-OI/HIS or whatever we are, was not properly established within the hierarchy of DHS, which created a misrepresentation of what our authority and capabilities are. Our agency has many skilled, educated, motivated and dedicated 1811s that are doing complex criminal investigations that result in; large narcotics/currency seizures, racketeering cases against violent criminal street gangs, arrest of persons trafficking weapons to foreign countries and the seizure of laundered money from foreign officials using the United States system to stash their cash. We are not a simple immigration agency. Complex immigration violations, is only one aspect of law that we are responsible for investigating. Your simple immigration agencies within DHS are Border Patrol and DRO. That is their sole mission and their sole authority. I really do not care what you write about managers, agency policies and general DHS stupidity when it is obvious and ridiculous. But please stop acting as a supporter of the 1811s, while with the same breath you misrepresent what our mission is in order to communicate your perspective of what is wrong with DHS and specifically ICE. I would suggest you be a little more critical of your sources and maybe do some research of your own. The simple truth is that for the first time since DHS has been around it seems they are finally moving to properly utilize the criminal investigator in a manner for which the position was created. Rather than burying it beneath layers of bureaucracy intermixed with a corrections agency that has very specific limited authority that does not correspond with the mission of the 1811s.
And just so you know the big five federal investigative agencies all have overlapping authority and it has always been that way. Turf wars are turf wars, but the bottom line is that our authority demands us to be in the arena competing and investigating the violations we are charged to investigate. Thank you.

IW on January 4, 2011 at 9:12 pm

Yessir, yessir, IW, the voice of the DHS bureaucracy speaks! Look at the rattling off of Code sections without any attempt at explanation.

The first half of his long post says nothing at all;

— simply a stilted repeated assertion that Debbie does not understand the situation (with no supporting specific evidence), and that the bureaucracy is comprised of people like her — and the surprising admission, showing IW’s incompetency for making the statement, that the DHS bureaucracy doesn’t know what it is doing.

Reductionism, in oversimplifying the whole illegal alien problem to “picking up illegal aliens”, ignoring all the derivative problems caused by illegal aliens. (And someone ought to tell this self-proclaimed Agency spokesperson how to punctuate ‘country’s — it is embarrassing that a supposed agency spokesperson makes numerous grammatical errors and cannot write in coherent English. himself)’)

Complex immigration violations?!? What is complex about being in this country illegally? I think it’s pretty straightforward. Seizure of money from foreign officials? Which officials? There is nothing concrete in this litany of supposed accomplishments which is specific.

You also need to improve your reading comprehension skills. Debbie did not say that the main mission of the 1811s (more bureaucratic jargon) is to pick up illegal aliens. She was making a comment about the agency as-a-whole losing its mission re illegals. She made a point about the 1811s becoming a duplicative organization — unanswered in IW’s attempted defense, and, in fact, astonishingly, this bureaucrat DEFENDS overlapping turf at a time when government deficits are beyond comprehension, and the need to reduce government deficits is acute; but IW says that overlapping authority has always been the case, and, aw shucks, this is the way it is.

This is what Debbie was criticizing, a grouping with no clear mission, as acknowledged by IW, with overlapping authority, defended by IW, no response to Debbie’s comments about contrived affirmative action and hostility towards Caucasians, and no comments about the lack of limits for the 1811s, something serious in a government organization that can very easily become intrusive against ordinary citizens.

And I will make a general comment about government– reorganizations are invariably political. They always masquerade as producing more efficiency, but they are always about increasing or reducing power of one or another department head, manager or bureaucrat, with lofty rhetoric about missions that are never fulfilled, and are just window-dressing. DHS itself is a bureaucratic duplication of other functions, as are all the Czars, and other administrative positions not responsible to the taxpayers.

And then the Uriah-Heep-like “thank you” at the end.

Little Al on January 4, 2011 at 9:53 pm

And one more thing — IW is silent on the whole issue of workplace violations, where raids have been abolished by JN, yet the video talks about this.

Little Al on January 4, 2011 at 10:04 pm

King

FYI, I have cut and pasted the education requirements from DEA, ATF, and ICE and will post it below. It’s a little choppy; however it shows that they are all pretty much the same. I especially call your attention the word “OR” on DEA’s and ATF’s. So your assertion that ICE 1811s are a bunch of uneducated gang bangers compared to our peers in other agencies is a complete fallacy. My guess is that you are an inspector without a 4 year degree or relevant experience and have been rejected by ICE and all the others. Keep chipping away at your degree and maybe we will see you in a couple of years, if you don’t age out.

Love
Stop Whining

DEA
Have a bachelor’s degree, with a GPA of 2.95 or higher
OR
Possess specialized professional experience conducting independent narcotics investigations.
OR
Three years or more substantive work experience and Special Skills
OR
LL.B. or J.D. degree with prosecutorial experience.

ATF
A bachelor’s degree from an accredited college or university
OR
Three years of general experience, one of which was equivalent to at least the grade 4.
OR
A combination of education and experience.

ICE
Qualifications
Education Substitution
GL-5: You may substitute successful completion of a Bachelor’s degree or a full 4-year course of study in any field of study leading to a Bachelor’s degree for the experience required at the GL-5 level. This education must have been obtained in an accredited college or university. One year of full-time undergraduate study is defined as 30 semester or 45 quarter hours.

GL-7: One full year of graduate level education or Superior Academic Achievement (S.A.A.) is also qualifying at the GL-7.

GL-9: You may substitute a master’s degree, 2 full years of graduate education, or a L.L. B. or J.D. degree in any field of study for the experience required at the GL-9 level. This education must have been obtained from an accredited college or university. Check with your school to determine how many credit hours comprise two years of graduate education. If that information is not available, use 36 semester hours. You may also combine graduate education and specialized experience to meet the total experience requirements at the GL-9 level.

Stop Whining on January 4, 2011 at 10:20 pm

You are spot on IW.

Silent on January 4, 2011 at 10:30 pm

Wow Al…One of those guys who talks to hear himself talk. But for the sake of being clear, allow me to elaborate on your stupidity. My comment was not in defense of the agency it was a defense of who and what an 1811 is within DHS. Genius! I do not need to explain the titles for those who know what our job is; however, for those of you who are a little slower than most, you can Google or go to Westlaw and get an idea. Also I really do not care about derivative effects of anything. My job is to collect evidence against violators of the federal statutes I am responsible to investigate, impartially without bias. I am not a politician or political strategist. Those are the folks who should be concerned about derivative effects of the policies and laws that they are willing to pass. Further I made it clear who is responsible for picking up illegal aliens, DRO and Border Patrol, which is why I they are responsible for that mission, because it is not complex. Complex violations of immigration law deal with human trafficking, smuggling and complex fraud used by violent criminal organizations to facilitate their criminal activity. There is no support from me regarding turf wars, but it is the everyday reality and for people who are actually out here doing this job, for any agency, you work around it the best that you can. I know probably went a little overboard with all the bureaucratic terminology in my rebuttal, so for that, my horrible grammar and lack of comprehension I apologize. But I guess that is what people like you do, comment when you have no clue and then use insults to blur your own ignorance. Thanks for your contribution….

IW on January 4, 2011 at 11:28 pm

Well, yeah, I guess anyone can go check up on bureaucratic jargon. But shouldn’t those who work for us, the taxpayers, be able to clearly express themselves so we don’t have to do that? After all, I pay your salary. It is your responsibility to communicate clearly with me. I shouldn’t have to run through hoops to understand you.

And you keep saying ‘complex’. Is that like the overused word ‘special’, that bureaucrats are so fond of throwing around, so that no one will know that you really don’t do anything?

Of course you don’t care about the derivative effects of anything. You probably didn’t understand what I was saying or what ‘derivative’ means. And you’re trying to draw attention away from the fact that these problems aren’t ‘complex’ at all; the use of that term is just bureaucratic arrogance — i.e. these issues and tasks are so complex that who are we, who don’t even work in your complex agency; how can we possibly understand all this complexity? How dare we question you? More elitist contempt for the rest of us.

It’s really not complex. It’s pretty simple — we are being invaded by illegals; your boss has stopped workplace raids, your boss defends illegals, she screws up all the time, and has set up her own private little workforce to increase her bureaucratic turf.

I’m not interested in your contrived apologies, your self-serving sarcasm or your phony thanks. I am a taxpayer, and I am sick and tired of supporting bureaucrats like you with my hard-earned money. If that is the best you can do, it is disgusting. Your phony humility just shows further, your contempt for the taxpayers.

You would be doing the public a service if you could muster even one-tenth of the energy fighting illegals that you do attacking Debbie, and people like me who are fed up with your little bureaucracy.

You say you don’t support turf wars, but…..but…..you’ll support them anyway.

You fight human trafficking? Duh, you mean like what Norman F was talking about, all these Muslims that DHS ignores?

Complex fraud? Violent criminal organizations? Impartially without bias? I haven’t noticed you getting rid of the illegal alien gangs or packs that are terrorizing all of us near the border. And you don’t like to hire too many Caucasians, and you give no specific examples of mission, or why the taxpayers should have to pay for duplication of functions fulfilled by other agencies.

Little Al on January 5, 2011 at 12:01 am

Are readers upset that the video shows a Black Man with a White Woman? It certainly is not representative of ICE special agents, a vast majority of which are of the white persuasion.
Obviously the brother doesn’t know what he’s in for; he may have managed to gotten hired, but he is not going anywhere, except to open that door for the White Woman. ICE is a joke because of the clowns that are running it, and the way they get promoted, no experience, but heavy use of the knee pads,or, if on the fast track, no knee pads. It is definitely not a race issue, unless of course you view the fact that “minorities” are grossly underrepresented in the management ranks. So, this one is all yours, whites fault, you hold the keys to the agency regardless of Obama.

QTD on January 5, 2011 at 1:00 am

You go Little Al!

There is very little that is ‘simple’ about immigration laws. If it was simple – do you think it would be the hot potato it is today?? Moreover, anyone who thinks it is simple has a brain the size of a pinhead.

I’d rather have someone working the ‘simple’ day to day jobs – rolling up their sleeves digging in to do the dirty work…regardless what that work is….. covering my back – as opposed to a Diva who thinks all the ‘little people’ in the BP and ERO are simple and think immigration work and what it entails is nothing but fluff. People like that are danagerous to the security of this country because they disrupt the work that must be done.

IW – get over yourself. There is a job to be done. Some of it is exciting and ‘sexy’ – and some of it drudgery. If people were more focused on the mission – whatever mission they are tasked with – and less on the ‘We’re too important to do THAT part of the job’ ICE might get more accomplished….in spite of the attempts to derail by the morons appointed to run the agency.

belugajedi on January 5, 2011 at 5:25 am

IW is spot on! Debbie if you read IW’s post again and keep this in mind when blogging about HSI, your facts will be more in line. For the most part HSI agents do not pick up illegals or deport them; that’s the job of Border Patrol and ERO/DRO.

If you really want something interesting to blog about: try looking into why ICE can’t get ERO to take over all administrative illegal alien pickup and processing (Union?).

DHS-HSI on January 5, 2011 at 10:10 am

Another aspect of this is that the department is returning to pre-9/11 organization. Customs on one side and immigration on the the other, HSI and ERO. So now we are back to the old USCS and INS. All at a cost of billions and nothing to show for it.

Federale on January 5, 2011 at 11:07 am

The real problem though is that ICE and its agents think they are another FBI, which they are not. FBI had primary jurisdiction in terrorism and HSI has just a supporting role. But DHS and HSI think that they are the primary agency in dealing with homeland security.

But, in reality, ICE’s authority is no more than immigration and customs work. In fact ICE cannot work a drug case unless they have direct evidence that the drugs are entering the U.S. Otherwise the case belongs to the DEA or FBI.

The next question is why is ICE’s customs function separate from that of CBP? If CBP has a seizure at a POE, they call ICE HSI, who may or may not respond. When CBP catches an illegal alien, they process that illegal alien. They don’t call ERO. Nor does the US Border Patrol.

Why not give the HSI investigations, which are mainly developed from POE arrests and seizures to CBP? That makes more sense.

As a matter of fact, the separation between ICE and CBP is artificial and counterproductive. One fact at the border should be one face at DHS. Combine CBP and ICE into one vertically integrated law enforcement agency. Obviously it can have specialty investigate subgroups, just as a major metro PD or county SO has a homicide unit, a juvenile unit, a bunko squad, a burglary unit, etc. The best agents would be promoted to customs investigations, but would start out in the easier immigration investigations. But all would start in uniform like any other law enforcement agency.

Federale on January 5, 2011 at 11:18 am

Federale, DHS Management let’s the public believe we our a terrorism agency not HSI. The special agents in HSI no that we don’t do terrorism cases. We do assist the FBI. We handle Customs and Immigration investigations and are very happy doing that. The key word investigations. I do agree with you Federale about CBP and HSI combining and also feel that ERO would be better suited with Border Patrol.

Silent on January 5, 2011 at 4:34 pm

Stop Whining:

As usual, you are incorrect and out of your depth. It seems the Kool-Aid has gone to your head.

You only show one part of the qualifications standards for the SA position. One can substitute a college degree for three (3) year progressively responsible experience; literally, that means that a person started flipping burgers and progressed to assembling them. In some instances, ICE does not even require a high school degree or GED diploma. If you doubt me, I suggest you contact the Dallas Hiring Center and they will enlighten you. There are currently openings for International Affairs positions (found in USAJOBS), positions for which ICE supposedly wants the best and brightest–note the educational requirements, there are none. You don’t even need to be a high school graduate. You will also find the knuckleheads at the Dallas Hiring Center are so confused that under their mistaken belief that the CBP officer position is a LE covered position they are hiring people in the late 40’s and 50’s, and under their misinterpretation of a court case involving a DSS applicant they are putting not applying the mandated maximum age for LE positions of 37 years old to military veterans (you could be in your 60’s or 70’s and get hired).

The qualifications you listed for DEA and ATF are the base requirements, if you check with their respective recruiters your will find you cannot get into either agency without a minimum of a Bachelors degree and at least five years of LE/military experience. DEA, ATF, Secret Service, and even IRS, in addition to the college degree requirements, also have strenuous physical standards–ICE has none.

Some notable examples of ICE agents I have seen (in addition to the gang members, etc.) are a male with hair below his waist (no he did not work undercover), a female who reported for work (whom I am told is now a GS-14 at HQ) wearing a midriff-bearing short sweater, a pierced navel, and plaid super short mini skirt, and platform shoes, agents with pierced noses, lips, multiple ear piercings, green and blue colored hair (a male no less); to name a few.

You have not seen ICE LE personnel with gang tats, full sleeve tattoos, white supremist tattoos, gold teeth, tattoos on their faces/necks/head, grossly overweight, etc? Your office must be a darkened closet.

Additionally, you will never find a bona fide LE agency that puts out a recruitment video with a woman wearing hooker heels and a fat old guy wearing pimp-daddy ghetto “attitude” glasses. Check out some of LAPD’s recruitment videos and observe how their detectives are dressed.

If you don’t think ICE is a bad joke, then I suggest you Google Robert Schoch and his concubine Jennifer Silliman (who I am told still works for ICE); in both instances individuals with little actual LE experience were advanced to senior management positions. Or Google Jennifer Sedgebeer (who also still works with ICE and from my understanding is being moved into management); the only beer you do not take to a party. Or submit a FOIA request asking for the number of ICE LE personnel that were former illegal aliens.

Lastly, I would refer you to the comment of Silent, an ICE LEO. Silent does not know the difference between “lets” and “let’s,” and “are” and “our,” and “no” and “know.” This is a person who is supposed to be able to write a report that can carry a case to court and he cannot even communicate in writing.

King David on January 5, 2011 at 8:34 pm

Sorry to interrupt the little pissing contest that is going on…but what’s the latest scoop on us getting the new HSI badges and creds? If your in the “know” please respond. THANKS.

awonderin on January 5, 2011 at 9:16 pm

Border Patrol will end up forming their own CID to do immigration investigations, after all of the alphabet agencies drop the ball.

Army Guy on January 5, 2011 at 9:39 pm

Re: the badges – the scoop is that they are coming – to great expense to the American taxpayer. A name change…..all for what???

belugajedi on January 5, 2011 at 10:35 pm

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Security video course on January 6, 2011 at 8:05 am

obviously a fradulent ad – everyone knows men don’t open doors for women anymore AND for the fed govt to be promoting that would be for the feds to be promoting sexism and oppression of women.

Excuse while I was the oppression out of my hair.

sandy on January 6, 2011 at 10:43 am

King

A couple of questions:

Are you an ICE SA?

Have you applied to these other agencies that you think are perfect?

Why have they not hired you?

Love
Stop Whining

Stop Whining on January 6, 2011 at 9:28 pm

Whining:

As usual, you attempt to deflect the issue. No matter what you say, you cannot dispute that ICE has the lowest standards in federal goverment for the GS-1811 position (criminal investigator). Nothing you can say will change the fact that ICE is hiring gang members, white supremists, drug users, drug dealers, people with gold teeth, massive amounts of tattoos, people that cannot speak English well, people that have very low levels of education, and alcoholics, etc. Nothing you say will change the fact that ICE is bringing into the agency as senior ICE LE management people who have no LE experience or background. Nothing you can say will change the fact that ICE is hiring retired people in mass, and that current and former ICE upper managers are getting their children and relatives hired. Lastly, nothing you can say will change the fact that ICE is not considered a LE agency (ICE doesn’t even consider itself a LE agency) by the LE community.

The ICE 1811 positions should be converted to GS-1810 (general investigator series) with a FPL grade of GS-12. That would save the public millions of dollars in that LEAP would not have to be paid. I cannot take credit for this idea though, as it what the IG has recommended in its findings that the ICE SA’s do not meet the definition of a criminal investigator.

King David on January 6, 2011 at 9:49 pm

King

I’m not trying to deflect anything. I’m trying to use you as a test case. You have a low opinion of your co-workers. You seem so unhappy, why have you not moved on? I can only assume that you either you can’t get hired by ICE, and you are a poser. If you are, as you claim, an ICE SA and have such agency envy, why not apply and move on to one of the other agencies?

A negative guy like you must be so much fun to work with. One word Prozac.

Waiting for the cliche. Go ahead, you know you want to say it. Speaking of Kool-Aid, my guess is that you are a butt smoocher to your GS.

Hugs and kisses,
Stop Whining

Stop Whining on January 7, 2011 at 7:29 am

King

Stop avoiding the questions.

Are you an ICE SA?

Have you applied to these other agencies that you think are perfect?

Why have they not hired you?

Love
Stop Whining

Stop Whining on January 7, 2011 at 7:31 am

Woman- “Are you the police?”
Elwood- “No ma’am, we’re HSI”

Blues Brother on January 7, 2011 at 8:46 pm

Thinks the “Poser” needs to answer the questions. Thinks he knows who KD is. He is an IEA with a masters degree, but can’t get hired.

1789_FEC on January 8, 2011 at 3:16 pm

LOL, Stop Whining is an IEA? That makes sense as he/she seems completely out of the loop as far as information. Maybe he/she should take a stroll through a HSI office and get a lock on who/what HSI is hiring as SA’s. It will definently be an eye opener!

King David on January 8, 2011 at 5:55 pm

I was referring to you King David, you are a moron.

1789_FEC on January 8, 2011 at 7:40 pm

I was talking about you King David, you moron. You still have not answered Wining’s questions.

1789_FEC on January 8, 2011 at 7:57 pm

His avoidance speaks volumes.

Love
Stop Whining

Stop Whining on January 9, 2011 at 11:12 am

I can’t believe that FBI let the whole HSI thing happen.
Wasn’t it the Bureau that objected to the original title of Investigations & Customs Enforcement?

ICE Hole on January 9, 2011 at 11:39 am

1789, as your comment followed Stop Whining’s then it would follow that it was directed at Stop Whining. You are certainly lacking in written communication skills.

As Stop Whining cannot dispute my statements/information, he/she chooses to attempt to attack me–a tired tactic.

As far as the IEA position, apparently you both do not know that the IEA position has higher standards and qualifications than the special agent position. For example, the IEA position has rigorous physical standards that an applicant must attain to pass the academy. The ICE special agent position, on the other hand, has no physical standards. The IEA position also requires that the applicant pass a test. Although there are some applicants that have to take a test for the ICE special agent position, for the most part, most applicants do not have to take a test. The IEA position requires the applicant to take and pass an interview. ICE is hiring people for the special agent position without benefit of an interview; sight unseen.

While any IEA can become an ICE special agent, not every ICE special agent can become an IEA. That speaks volumes, but goes along with ICE’s unofficial agency motto: “ICE does everything in reverse.”

If you both were truly concerned about ICE, then one would think that you would spend less time worrying about me and patting yourselves on the back, and more time working towards getting ICE to improve its hiring standards for the special agent position. One of the reasons ICE is so ridiculed in large part is due to the people that it hires. When your only resource is your personnel, then your organization will be judged by those people.

King David on January 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm

King David, I speak for myself and no one else. Did you ever think moron that the reason my comments come after Whinny Boy, is because the three of us are the only one still reading them. The rest of the world has moved on. You still have not answered the questions. I don’t make a habit of writing into these blogs. However, every now and again I read complete BS and can’t help myself. I read both of your comments. Five years ago I would have probably agreed more with you. Now that I am no longer completely bitter about the merger, I see things as they are. They are far from ideal, but moving in a better direction. ERO is becoming INS, and HSI is becoming more like the old USCS. A trend I want to support.

Every office/group has a guy like you. The type that are so miserable in their lives that they have to pull everyone around them down into their abyss.

Answer the questions.

1789_FEC on January 9, 2011 at 3:50 pm

1789, this is my last comment for this post. I am not trying to pull anyone down, I am just discussing the facts/truth. If you really work for ICE then you certainly must see the people that ICE is hiring as SA’s, the re-hired annuitants, the relatives getting hired, people in upper management that have no college educations (some may not even have high school educations), or the people getting hired as 1811 management that have no prior LE experience, etc. I am not the progenitor of this, only the messenger.

Do you think I made the recruitment video? Who do you think made that? The video speaks volumes about ICE, and not in a good sense. Have you even watched the video? After seeing that how could you possibly express your opinion against me?

By no means am I stating that ICE does not have an important mission. That being said though, ICE is not a law enforcement agency; ICE is an administrative enforcement agency. Seriously, do you think a SA that sits in a jail all day writing up NTA’s and deportation orders is law enforcement? And how many LE agencies are you acquainted with that have such low qualification standards? ICE does not even consider itself a LE agency–that is precisely why they allow the low standards. Talk to workforce management if you doubt me.

The government has a fiscal responsibility to run the government in the most efficient manner. If an agency’s positions are misclassified then the government is duty bound to re-classify those positions. By reclassifying the ICE 1811 position to its correct designation, GS-1810, the government would realize huge savings. ICE would still be able to continue with its mission.

I suspect both you Whining are management “policing” the Schlussel site in an attempt to deflect information which reflects badly on ICE, and attempting to identify from whom the information is coming. Your ire would be better directed somewhere else. Maybe if both you and Whining were so passionate at the formation of ICE, ICE would have turned out to be a real LE agency.

King David on January 9, 2011 at 4:44 pm

King David, I am not management. My heart was ripped out when they merged us with INS. I also realize that senior management has been on of the biggest problems with the formation of this agency. Garcia, Ridge, Marcy, and many more have been more of a hindrance than a help. That being said your comments about who ICE is hiring do not reflect what I am seeing. I have never seen an ICE 1811 with gold teeth. I have seen guys with many tattoos, but ATF and DEA still seem to be ahead of us in the ink department. As far as your gang member comment, I have not seen or heard that one. I don’t doubt that someone may have slipped through. However, it is still the same people that do our backgrounds as all the other agencies except for the FBI. The biggest knock I have when I stroll around my office is the amount of fresh faced college kids with their advanced degrees, and no street experience. The FBI has the same issue. I am happy when I see an older slightly overweight former street cop with a night school degree behind him. He can usually hit the ground running. The fresh faced college kids will be fine in a couple of years if the senior agents guide them. I also see large numbers of former Secret Service Agents and Postal Inspectors beating the door down. After the merger we had many that left for other agencies and none incoming. It has done a 180 and now people don’t leave and others want to lateral in. I haven’t heard of any 1811s still doing jail work, ERO took it over a few years ago. Where you are may be different, but it is not like that in the majority of offices. I have not done an NTA in over 2 years. In fact when I need to have someone arrested on admin charges, ERO jumps all over doing the NTA. They want the stat, God bless them they can have it.

You can Mutha F management all you want, but stop bashing your fellow 1811s.

You still have not answered the questions.

1789_FEC on January 9, 2011 at 6:19 pm

If you don’t want your job, I’ll take it.

GWT_Vet on January 9, 2011 at 6:27 pm

“King David”:

I usually hate to get involved in online debates, but reading your posts compels me to respond, because they are so misinformed. Although I despise the merger, and feel that things would be much better if Customs and INS went back to doing what they did prior to 2003, I take issue with your assertion that ICE is not a “law enforcement agency”. If that is true, then we were all badly misinformed when ICE was created, when we were told that ICE would include all prior Customs and INS authorities.

I was a Customs agent for 20 years prior to the merger, and after the creation of ICE in 2003, I continued to work in my area of expertise, namely, CRIMINAL investigations of money laundering and other financial crimes involving the border. I’m still an 1811 criminal investigator, because I never stopped doing criminal investigations.

I was totally opposed to the merger, for various reasons, but the merger didn’t change what I do, and my authority as a Customs agent continues under ICE, with the addition of immigration authorities, whether I use them or not. Don’t think that every ICE agent does nothing but adminitrative immigration enforcement, because we do plenty of other things too, including CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS involving violations of both Customs and immigration laws.

Senior Special Agent on January 9, 2011 at 8:05 pm