Sad. But I fear you’re correct Deb. We need to do more to Americanize Muslims who do emigrate here. But that radical element will always pit “them” against “everyone else”

KayserSozay on December 8, 2010 at 10:55 am

The left-wing Jewish idiots who prattle on about “religion of peace” have the blood of future generations of Jewish children on their hands. The are sentencing their own grandchildren to death.

The Helen Thomas event covered so well by Debbie illustrates not that Thomas is a bloodthirsty anti-semite. We all knew that already. It’s that the assembled Arab and Muslim throng cheered the murderous libel.

Regarding the Netherlands: if the Christian (and post-Christian) Dutch think they are safe, think again. Their turn will come.

adam on December 8, 2010 at 11:22 am

I understand the term “when” as suggesting something that we accept as inevitable. Surely you meant “if” – which is still doomsday tempered and only a tad less unfortunate. And frankly I can’t understand why Jews persist in living in any European country anyway.

Arn on December 8, 2010 at 11:25 am

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

samurai on December 8, 2010 at 12:14 pm

Wilders has it right, but one problem w/ him – not mentioned in the above story – is that he tries to explicitly persuade people that while he is anti-Islam, he’s not anti-Muslim. A distinction w/o a difference, since nobody would care about Islam – what’s in the Qur’an & Sunnah – unless it was those millions of Mohammedans in bilad-ul-Kafir (lands of infidels). More specifically, he wants immigration of Muslims to be restricted to those who’re willing to learn Dutch, embrace Dutch values, etc. Only problem w/ that is that it’s possible to know how to speak Dutch, how to live in the Netherlands, and yet continue to support Jihad campaigns worldwide. Aside from that, nothing wrong w/ him.

I do have hope, Debbie – ultimately, due to their insatiable greed and total lack of subtlety, Muslims will ultimately ensure that they have a direct face-off w/ the rest of the world that even pro-Muslim cretins worldwide will be unable to ignore. That’s probably when the borders of Islam will roll back, just like the borders of Communism did.

Infidel Pride on December 8, 2010 at 12:30 pm

Ugh, I have no idea who or what is worse…Islamo-fascism or the so-called “good people” who let them win with their creeping incrementalism.

It’s disgusting!!! Religion of Peace, my arse…and we see lots of American wackos more concerned with Mormons (??) than
mooooooooooslims.

Skunky on December 8, 2010 at 12:30 pm

“Then, where will we go? Martin Niemoller told you so. But no one listened then. And few are listening now.”

The crux. This post made me so irrate, I commented before I read the whole thing through…and I almost cited Niemoller (my Dad posted his famous quote on our cabinet in the 70’s) because I was thinking of him as I was typing.

Everyone loves the quote but who the hell are gonna take his words seriously???

Skunky on December 8, 2010 at 12:34 pm

Political Correctness is the smoke screen the anti-semites hide behind.

They aren’t just after the Jews either.

Read your history.

Sam Adams on December 8, 2010 at 1:19 pm

[Debbie – Politician Geert Wilders, who visited Israel this week, responded that “Jews shouldn’t emigrate, anti-Semitic Moroccans should.”

Sadly, he’s just one guy.]

I disagree. It may be too little to late, but his recent elections success is a reason for hope.

I_AM_ME on December 8, 2010 at 2:31 pm

I wish people would stop already with the Martin Niemoller bit. He was an ardent Nazi, and by all accounts never even uttered the poem that would forever be linked to his name. Strange also how this poem appears in about 20 different versions, too.

And, when “they” did come for him, many people did speak up, and his life was spared.

OH–and after the war he became a Commie, and even received the Lenin Peace prize. In truth, the guy was little more than a self-promoting scumbag.

So please stop!

RR: I was unaware of these things. Thanks for the information. DS

Red Ryder on December 8, 2010 at 2:56 pm

There is no future for Jews in Europe and there hasn’t been since 1945. The war may have ended the Nazi scourge but the virulent Antisemitism that existed in Europe before and during the war has never really gone away. The new menace from Muslims is nothing new for Jews who know their history. The difference between 1939 and today is that today Jews have a country to immigrate to unlike the pre-war years when country after country shut down their borders because they didn’t want “Jews”. I believe the Jews should leave Europe, the continent is awash in Jewish blood, the countrysides full of Jewish corpses including over one million children. Let the Euro-trash deal with the Muslims and they are in for a huge shock when their countries are one by one swallowed up by the Muslim horde.

kenny komodo on December 8, 2010 at 3:55 pm

And yet Geert Wilders is the one being defamed by the fascist liberals for speaking out against radical Islam.

Rocky on December 8, 2010 at 3:56 pm

Niemoller’s record is more complex, and defies easy categorization. For instance, he was in concentration camps for several years. He did get caught up in the movement against the Vietnam war, but the quote is classic, and capsulizes the consequences of inaction better than anything else out there.

Little Al on December 8, 2010 at 4:24 pm

And from the probable timing of this comment, he was not yet a Communist,and had just spent several years in concentration camps. Granted his politics were unstable, but that remark was one of the most prescient and penetrating short comments ever made about those who pandered or acquiesced to Hitler in the 30s.

Little Al on December 8, 2010 at 4:37 pm

But he was not the author of that famous quote. And if anything he was treated far better than the Nazis ever treated their enemies not to mention his fate after the war. Niemoller had an enviable life – he lived to tell the tale. Millions of other people, including Debbie’s and my forebears were not so fortunate.

NormanF on December 8, 2010 at 4:46 pm

“Don’t kid yourself into thinking these Muslims in the United States are any different… They’ll get there soon enough. Then where will we go?”

As I witness the ongoing legal immigration of, and asylum granted to, increasing numbers of Muslims here, I have indeed started to wonder, “Where will I go?” I long ago studied in Canada, and Harper is a great leader. But Muslims are moving there too in large numbers, and one can be charged with “hate speech” for offending Muslims or Islam. Australia too is under threat. Iran is already turning Venezuela and Bolivia into proxy states with a growing Hizbullah presence. Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina just “recognized” the state of Palestine. Even Israel is too PC to speak of those Arabs among them who tried to spark a few more fires last week.

Raymond in DC on December 8, 2010 at 5:20 pm

Off topic:

Oh joyful holidays! Maybe not if you’re flying the friendly skies. If you thought the TSA’s sexual molestation theater made you feel safe, think again. Israel Matzav reports the Muslim Public Affairs Council will (or has already trained) train TSA agents in among other things, “the diversity of Muslims around the world from cultural dress to language and tenets,” and “taught the TSOs how to properly handle a Quran and discussed the different ways Muslim women and men choose to cover or dress.” That’s from MPAC’s own press release. Talk about the fox guarding the proverbial aviation henhouse. Ka-ching!

More here: Great News: Muslim Public Affairs Council Training TSA Agents

I’m sure us dhimmis feel a lot safer now!

NormanF on December 8, 2010 at 5:24 pm

Martin Niemoller was a U-boat captain in WW1 and was awarded the Iron Cross for bravery. At first, he welcomed the Nazis and hailed them as heroes who would restore Germany’s dignity. He even met privately with Hitler. When he realized he had been taken in, he turned against the Nazis. The Gestapo were in attendance at his church. he often openly mocked them. He spent eight years in a concentration camp as the personal prisoner of Adolf Hitler, some ardent Nazi.

Aaron on December 8, 2010 at 6:39 pm

Instead of continuing to discuss Niemoller, I’ll simply say that re the main point of this post,the comparisons with the 30s are eerie and disturbing. Europe wasn’t safe for Jewish people, and antisemitism was rising to disturbing proportions here in the US. Then, as now, the formal Jewish leadership was delusional. Roosevelt/Obama, unbelievable mythology about each of them. But ironically, the leftists who condemn Jews, Israel and Judiasm would be immediate targets of the Muslims, once the Muslims reach a tipping point, bearing out Niemoller’s warning (and from all evidence, the words were most likely written by Niemoller — generalizations can be valuable if they generalize actual facts, rather than combine fact and fancy).

As a slight aside, an excellent book about the inadequacies of the Jewish leadership (sic) in the US up through the end of the 30s is “America, its Jew, and the rise of Nazism”, by Gulie Ne’eman Arad (Indiana University Press, 2000).

It is superb, and relies almost entirely on primary sources, and the narrative flows smoothly. In a way things may be worse now, ecause the main fault of the Jewish leaders was relying on Roosevelt, and trying to show how “American” they were. Now they rely on Obama and try to show, in large part, how anti-American they are.

Little Al on December 8, 2010 at 7:10 pm

Of course the word in the title is “Jews” not “Jew”. I regert the typo.

Little Al on December 8, 2010 at 7:28 pm

NormanF and Red Ryder:

You know perfectly well that you are distorting known, verifiable historical facts concerning Neimoller, who while no Barth or Bonhoeffer, was most definitely no Nazi supporter or collaborator, especially after 1934. The question is your motivation for doing making these false claims and for your determination to discredit the fellow. I have a strong suspicion concerning the actual reason for your animus against Neimoller, but I want to you to state your reason openly.

Gerald on December 8, 2010 at 8:17 pm

Geert Wilder may be our best non-Jewish global political friend but unless he wins parliment and makes some enforceable immigration policies in Holland no Jew should stick around based on a powerless politician. There won’t be cattle cars taking Jews away this time but an open rein of allowed muslim terror perpetrated against Jews who remain.

Us Israelis best friend in the world is our collection of atomic weapons that we’d let loose on the bulk of world muslims should the moment arise and at least go out of this once in 2000 year old dream on a high note (compared to Masada). If such happens you’ll survive another day Debbie without much of a backbone remembering the brief miracle called the modern state of Israel trying to survive in a very cruel world.

Fred on December 9, 2010 at 2:03 am

The only people who ever get expelled from Europe are the Jews.

Dear Debbie: Weren’t the Moors and Moriscoes expelled from Spain? Oliver Cromweel deported whole districts of Irishmen to the American colonies and many Scots, I believe thousands of them, were deported to the American colonies after the Battle of Culloden.

Miranda Rose Smith on December 9, 2010 at 2:07 am

The facts are available on Niemoller, and are fairly easy to obtain. The problem is that his miserable history has been distorted by the Left.

He never had any problems with Hitler’s race theories, and only “turned against” the Nazis (a better way of stating it would be to say that they turned against him–as they interfered in church activities).

Yes, he spent time in Dachau, but his life was spared only because people did speak up for him, including–believe it or not–Alfred Rosenberg himself, the purest Nazi of them all.

If he really did compose the poem connected with his name, how strange that neither of his biographers mention it.

Also, as stated in my earlier posting, he became a Communist (neat trick for a supposed Christian), and his much younger widow is the one who started the cult of his poem–which oddly enough appears in at least ten different versions. Why did it take 38 years for this poem to appear?

Beware of the heroes of the Left.

Red Ryder on December 9, 2010 at 10:27 am

The Jews were not the only people who were expelled from Europe. The Irish were starved and kicked off their own farms which is why the Irish are in every continent. Funny how Jewish people never mention this fact.

The Irish Truth on December 9, 2010 at 5:41 pm

Niemoller’s critics, especially RR, appear to overlook the autobiographical nature of Niemoller’s famous comment. He admists that he did nothing to protest or circumvent the roundups of Hitler’s early years, and although his comment is self-centered, it is also critical of his early actions.

Since RR mentioned Niemoler’s biographers, here is a comment on Amizon from a review of one of these biographies:

“One of my New Testament profs at Sem raved about Niemoller. He was at that time unknown to me. So, I bought several books, one of them this by Bentley. It is the best I know of.

This dedicated man to the gospel, would not surrender to Nazi pressure, but continued to wield the sword of God’s Word against him. His congregation was continually surrounded by Hitler’s men, who eventually arrested him, tried him and kept him as his own personal prisoner. On his way to execution, freed by American squad. Went on to ecumenical fame.

Great read, well done!”

Little Al on December 10, 2010 at 7:11 am

Little Al re..

This dedicated man to the gospel, would not surrender to Nazi pressure, but continued to wield the sword of God’s Word against him. His congregation was continually surrounded by Hitler’s men, who eventually arrested him, tried him and kept him as his own personal prisoner. On his way to execution, freed by American squad. Went on to ecumenical fame.

Are you serious?

Niemoller was never “on his way to execution,” although some Nazis would have liked it that way.

As to “ecumenical,” I guess being a communist “Christian” is about as ecumenical as you can get.

That fact that neither Bentley nor his other biographer Dietmar Schmidt mention the poem–which is supposedly the most famous thing he ever did in his life–should give you some pause.

Red Ryder on December 10, 2010 at 10:19 am

RR, you need to improve your reading comprehension skills. I was quoting a review of one of the biographies to illustrate that a reviewer of one of the biographies drew the conclusion that Niemoller ultimately opposed the Nazis. You are silent regarding my comments on the autobiographical nature of his comment. I will have to consult the bios; I do not have them at home, but I find your assertion hard to believe. A conscientious biographer would inevitably mention the “poem” as you call it, either to attribute authorship to him, or to explain why an aphorism (the word you should have used) which was attributed to him universally, for decades, was not written by him. But the biographer would not have ignored it. One way or another, a credible biography would have mentioned it, as I said, either to acknowledge authorship or to explain why authorship was wrongly attributed to him. By the time I get to check both bios, this post will, unfortunately, be in the archives.

Little Al on December 10, 2010 at 4:24 pm

I think Canada is even worse off than the United States (in terms of immigration). We already have a small population size, and it doesn’t take much to change the demographics. Someone recently noted that in the past five years, 150,000 or so Muslims have moved into Montreal. And the Harper government has recently approved another 8,000 plus Iraqi “refugees.” We have the highest refugee and immigration rate in the world. (Even in northern areas, isolated areas, they’re building mosques — including mosques built by the Muslim Brotherhood — and, it’s all done openly. There are so many raging antisemites — and not all of them Muslim of course (many are of the Far Left or Far Right variety). The Far Left are represented by political parties — The Greens and the NDP. And what comes out of them is definitely not good. Everything is upside down — the haters of Jews are protected by Human “rights” organizations, while those resist are defamed as “racists” and hauled before tribunals. (or sued by supporters of the Islamists.) Canada, imo, like the Netherlands, hasn’t much of a future.

J.S. on December 13, 2010 at 12:59 pm

Debbie. This is the result of the jewish diversity lobby such as Paideia. You are Jewish aren’t you? Well if your tribe isn’t strong enough to survive without a complacent host tribe (Christendom) then you should not encourage policies that undermine the nations of that particular tribe. Muslims kill Jews. In a multicultural society Jews are always the first to go. You can thank Jewish leadership for any pogroms that occur in Europe because they encourage these policies to garner sympathy for their agenda.

Evil_White_Male on March 28, 2011 at 1:42 pm

The real problem is not the Muslims, it is the United Sates that real violent antisemitism will happen. As it has happened in the past, most Jews will be caught flat footed.

This is how it happens. Millions of smart hard working Jews arrived to the US over the years. Many have achieved great success in many fields and have made unparalleled contributions. You would that should make most Americans Jew lovers but it does not work that way for a number of reasons.

One of the things Jews naturally want to do is to make sure antisemites do not rise ever again. Since many hiperbright Jews associate Christianity with antisemitism, they work hard at dechristianizing the US. They see that plus increased tolerance of all diversity, especilally anything that dilutes the Christian Anglo European traditional moral values as good. They also seem to sense is good to weaken the traditional identity of the US as good because they feel more diversity will make Jews feel safer.

The intentions are goodbut the effect is to make more and more anglo europeans and even many blacks and chicanos that the US is going fown the tubes and blame many Jews.

Such people become more and more anti Jewish.

The ADL and others react rredoubling their efforts to fight antisemitism. Such added efforts are to others further proof Jews have too much power, this generates even more antisemitism which in turns generates even more efforts by ADL and others. This means we enter a spiral until a critical mass of non jews decide to act. Either because they elect openly anti Jewish politicians or by physical violence against Jews all hell will break loose.

Soon we will see a book that attacks Jewish power in the US at large like the book about the “Israeli lobby” did for Jewish influence in Congress.

Once the masses start to act out their anti Jewish feelings Jewish power will dissolve like a sugar cube in hotwater.

The blindness of Jews to the dynamics of antisemitism is what explains the recurrence.

The solution; jews must act and be seen to act in defense of a real Judeo Christian US and actively undermine and discredit those Jews that are trying to “perfect the US to death” with their hiperbright, hiperarticulate and hiper
critical Jews.

Let us not forget Jews came to a successful country created by anglo european christians and it is suicidal to undermine such country.

If we do not change the current dynamics it is

victor on June 7, 2011 at 8:23 am

Debbie

Geert Wilders supported the sechita ban. Do you still support him? His crusade against Moslems affected Jews, cause they don’t require stunning their slaughter animals.

Dutch parliament likely to ban ritual slaughter next week
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/50261

Kelly on June 29, 2011 at 7:57 am

Who would ever believe that the same country that once was the home to those who risked their lives to save Jews from the Nazis are now such sniveling cowards. These anti-semites who commit hate crimes should be deported by the Dutch. As for the murder of the cartoonist (Van Gogh) for depicting the raghead Mohammed who started their “peaceful religion” the death penalty needs to be instituted, you do not negotiate with cockroaches, or rattlesnakes,if you can’t live with them you deal with them.
The latest on Obama refusing to salute during the anthem and his irrational rants on why and remark about his peaceful muslim brothers over there, WE have to deal with THAT next election. I only wish we had more honest and qualified choices.

Ron Wolf on January 5, 2012 at 10:44 pm

Mohammed the prophet: this son of a lizard.

waldemar Jan Johansen on February 3, 2012 at 10:34 am

The jewish majority voted for Obama and continues to vote against anti-israel democrats. Thank you my brothers and sisters for condemning us again with your stupidity. Did your relatives in Germany vote for Hitler too? Mark my words, within 200 years the world will be under Muslim control thanks to your help. I hope I am killed off quickly when they come to round us up again. If you voted for Obama and the democrats, just remember that you brought it upon yourself when you are forced to register as a jew and rounded up for the death camps.

David on March 19, 2012 at 9:18 am