Who gives a fuck if he is Muslim but not technically, shit our constitution is built on freedoms and religion is one of them!

I Fux on December 21, 2006 at 3:49 pm

“Osama Obama’s father was also involved with the Mau Mau terrorist movement after the British left Kenya.”
Just so that you know Thee_Bruno, the Mau Mau uprising was well and truly over many years before the British left Kenya

The Purple Cow on December 21, 2006 at 4:43 pm

friend680 writes:
“…are you guys kidding me with the ‘Banana Hussy Obamba’ stuff? Does that actually qualify as humor to some people? ‘I can’t stop laughing!’? Are you serious?”
You just don’t get it, friend680. See, Obama is black. Many of our more Confederate-minded citizens like to compare black people to monkeys. Monkeys eat bananas. I bet calling him “Banana Hussy Obamba” brings down the house at your average GOP or Klan meeting.

Gen. JC Christian, patriot on December 21, 2006 at 5:45 pm

mamusa, you are right, except the Coptic church in east Africa is older that Islam.
All I can see that its about blackness,too. We have had no perfect candidate to run for any party. But a black person still has to be a super negro; more qualified and more pure than any white. This sounds like we are still in the fifties. Genetically any half black is as black as any other. Black is a state of race perpetrated by whites to define how blacks must be treated. Islam is the Red Herring in this case.

VRB on December 21, 2006 at 6:20 pm

Considering how well our nation’s most recent anti-Hussein effort has been handled, Obama’s middle name will most likely work in his favor.
BTW, to whoever said Obama supported the bankruptcy bill: you should try looking at the actual roll call vote.

Apartment 604 on December 21, 2006 at 9:04 pm

I’m not for everything posted on this site–but I will call a clown a clown–Obama is a clown. You supporters of this clown were the same ones rooting for Dean and Kerry last round. Hang in there, you still have Hillary as a plan B.

BB on December 21, 2006 at 9:25 pm

One of the weakest excuses for a column I’ve read in my 44.8 years. If this is the best the “opposition” to a presumed DNC candidate for the White House can do by way of muckraking, Obama’s stint as Commander-in-Chief is all but a slam-dunk.

Scott Lahti on December 21, 2006 at 11:23 pm

I hate to engage in back and forth with little babies…but the truth needs to be told.
This is in response to Thee-Bruno:
Christianity was spread into Africa via Missionaries (first came the explorers, Livingston, et al.); they saw the minerals, then the kings of europe decided to conquer africa (the white man’s burden they called it), but they needed to pacify the masses — so they introduced christianity — by FORCE — because the natives were hesitant to adopt a foreign ideology, so they had to be given incentive. Islam was spreading in Africa LONG, LONG before christiantiy — Thee_Bruno — do some research, go to a library (know what that is??) and read on the history of religion and the history of africa..enlighten yourself and stop sounding like an idiot
Kenya under Kenyatta was not only prosperous by African standards, but by global standards as defined by the World Bank. Go check the world bank standards definitions for countries — between 1963 – about 1976 — and you will notice that Kenya was considered a 2nd class country — not 3rd world, not 1st world..Kenya was on par with countries such as South Korea… i agree there was an element of corruption in Kenyatta’s regime (just like no bid contracts to Haliburton — the VPs former company) .. but rape??? please, where do you get your information from (Rush LImbaugh, Hitler, KKK???).You ask if i was there?? NO, but i know people who were there, were you there??? as for coups…you are indeed a fool… most (i’d say over 90%) of arfican countries were one-party states, yet most of these saw coups…thus Kenya being a one party state and not experiencing coups as a result of that is an illogical conclusion … take some time and take some college courses on logic and critical thinking
i can not valdate that obama’s grandpa owned a huge ranch, all i can say is that at that time, kenya was like south africa, wherein the british imposed apertheid — africans could not own certain tracts of land, africans were second class citizens (well, i guess Thee_Bruno likes the black people where they belong…behind white people, right??)
as for obama’s father being part of mau Mau — there my friend you have proven without the slightest doubt how ignorant you are. Mau Mau was disbanded after Kenya’s independence (actually slightly prior to that). It was an independence movement, so why maintain it after idependence? Thus to say that Obama’s father was part of mau mau and as part of mau mau attempted to overthrow Kenyatta, is like saying that George Washingont commanded the confederate troops against Lincoln.
SO my dear little friend .. for your mind is feeble.. i am not a revisionist .. you are the revisionist..and for your info, i have grad degrees in philosophy and economics….
Get a life, get your facts straight, and stop being such a bigot!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year…make it your resolution to learn to get along with others Mr. Buno.

mamusa on December 22, 2006 at 9:49 am

Who cares what Obama’s religion is.
There are no religious tests for public office in the US and there should be no political tests either.
But that’s exactly what the far right is attempting to impose.
The right wants to make adherence to some vague form of Protestantism a sort of political test for holding office.
If Obama is willing to support and defend the Constitution, that’s good enough for me.
Now. What about ‘once a Muslim, always a Muslim’? What kind of nonsense is that? People change their minds about religion all the time. It’s part of being American.

Carl_W_Goss on December 22, 2006 at 12:17 pm

This making unfounded assumptions based on names looks like fun, can I play too?
Let’s see, Debbie’s last name is Schlussel, which is German for key. Since her last name is German, she obviously must be a Nazi. Oh, wait. That probably doesn’t count as an unfounded assumption, since her ramblings above certainly make her look like she really is a Nazi.
Wait, let me try again…
I’ve got it, since her first name is Debbie, and she’s a blonde, at least in the picture above, she’s obviously brainless. No, that doesn’t hold up as an unfounded assumption for the same reasons, she really does appear to be brainless.
Give me time, I’ll come up with something…

DocWeasel on December 22, 2006 at 1:52 pm

While all you idiot so called conservatives are worrying about muslims, your stolen utopia is being reclaimed by native indigenous people from so called latin america and you can’t do anything about it. Within 20 years the majority in this land will be non white. And soon DNA will prove most of you so called whites are really 30% black. For years you have hidden behind the white mask when really most of you are poor southern white octoroon surfs trying to prove that you are better than others by being racists. The future is here.

future on December 23, 2006 at 7:09 am

No matter how much you try to obscure things by blowing smoke, you cannot refute ONE aspect of those arguments that exposed Osama Obama as a liar!
I love all you LIBERALS who came out of the woodwork to defend another LYING LEFTIST politician just as you defended Bill “Convicted of Perjury” Clinton.
All of you LIBERALS love to defend those who would tear down America!!!!
LIBERALS Hate Religion, But They Love Islam!
LIBERALS Hate America!
You LIBERALS have ALWAYS sided with America’s enemies and those Democrap politicians who were useful idiots to their cause.
Democraps have always wanted to placate Communists of yesteryear and Muzlums of today.
No matter how much you try to obscure things by blowing smoke, you cannot refute ONE aspect of those arguments that exposed Osama Obama as a liar!
BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..

Thee_Bruno on December 23, 2006 at 9:21 am

“you cannot refute ONE aspect of those arguments that exposed Osama Obama as a liar!”
errrr yes we can, dimbulb. Obama has not been exposed as a liar.

The Purple Cow on December 23, 2006 at 11:51 am

Wow… I got as far as the very first post and found utter nonsense:
“Barack Obama was originally named “Baraka.” It is not an African name. It’s an Arabic word meaning “blessed” and comes directly from the Koran.”
Barack was originally named Barack — same spelling as his father’s name (He’s a jr., his father was Sr.) It IS an African name. The only part you are correct about is that it means “Blessed.”
“BTW, Obama lied about his father’s religious denomination during the DNC Convention in 2004. He said his father was a non-practicing Christian. Let’s see how the LIBERAL media uncovers this lie, as well. Don’t hold your breath.”
The reason you won’t hear the media – “LIBERAL” or otherwise – report this is because it’s a lie. Anyone with an internet connection can find the transcript of his speech and see that he made absolutely no mention of his father’s religion.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2004/demconvention/speeches/obama.html

Jewels324 on December 25, 2006 at 12:39 pm

“Barack Obama was originally named ‘Baraka.’ It is not an African name. It’s an Arabic word meaning ‘blessed’ and comes directly from the Koran.
Thee_Bruno”
Right. ‘Baraka’ is an Arabic word meaning ‘prayer’ or ‘blessing.’ Guess what — it didn’t originate in the Koran. A cognate can be found in many related Semitic-Hamitic languages, used by many religions in the Middle East and North Africa, e.g.:
*Hebrew (i.e., Judaism): ‘Baruch’ (blessed), ‘brucha’/’berakha’ (prayer/blessing)
*Coptic (NOTE: Christian!): ‘baraka’ (blessing)
*Aramaic (NOTE: Christian!): ‘baraka’/’birkah’ (prayer/blessing), ‘bereikh’ (praise)
*Hausa (Nigeria and most of Western Africa): ‘barka’ (prayer/blessing)
*Swahili: ‘baraka’ (blessing)
*and the list could go on and on.
As for the spelling — these are all mostly transliterations from languages not normally written in the Roman alphabet, so I wouldn’t read anything sinister into the Barack/Baraka distinction.
It’s interesting to note that bereikhah is an old Hebrew word for a pool of water — which certainly is a blessing!
Can’t we all just get along??!!

maren on December 25, 2006 at 3:08 pm

“Can’t we all just get along??!!”
No, because thee-bruno is a racist pig, I for one, would not want to get along with him.

The Purple Cow on December 26, 2006 at 1:33 pm

IWHAT A PICKLE
Obama is a Dem, and the Muslims consider him one of them. Since Dems pander to Muslims for their votes, and Obama has to please both (or switch parties?), he’s really in a bind.

yonason on December 26, 2006 at 8:16 pm

“Obama is a Dem…”
No shit, sherlock.
“.. and the Muslims consider him one of them.”
no they don’t.
” Since Dems pander to Muslims for their votes..”
No they don’t.
“.. and Obama has to please both (or switch parties?)”
No he doesn’t.
“.. he’s really in a bind.”
no he’s not.
34 word post with 4 untruths and 1 statement of the totaly obvious. Must be some kind of record even for the average extreme-right nutjob.

The Purple Cow on December 27, 2006 at 12:09 pm

About me:
I am an ex-Muslim, having left Islam after spending 11 years in its fold. One thing I am completely against, is extremism in any guise. I consider extremeism for anyone to promote something as fact without having verified the statements. That having been said
1. Hussein is a Muslim name
Hussein is an Arabic name. The name itself is not intrinsically Islamic anymore than the name Thomas is Christian, or Caesar is pagan.
One of our chief warfighters, General John Abizaid, has an Arabic last name which literally means “Father of Zaid.” Simply possesing the name indicates nothing of his religious preference.
Similarly, the former Atlanta Falcons runningback Jamal Lewis was not somehow Muslim by default just because his given name of Jamal is Arabic.
2. And while Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that’s not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it.
It is common knowledge in the Muslim community that what makes a person Muslim is that the person declares him or herself as one by uttering “there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger.”
3. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back.
In Islamic law, in the event that a Muslim mand and his wife are divorced, the children go with the father – the rationale being that it is the father’s responsibility to raise the children and ensure that they grow up to be good Muslims. There is no concept, as exists in Jewish thought regarding the Jewishness of the child being dependent on the faith of the mother, wherein a child is automatically Muslim by virtue of the faith of the father. As for there being no going back – were this true, then Islam’s abhorrent laws against apostasy would not exist!
4. As best-selling author Scott Turow wrote in Salon, Obama went to a Muslim school for two years in Indonesia. His mother, Anna, married an Indonesian man (likely another Muslim, as Indonesia is Muslim-dominated and has the largest Islamic population in the world).
Joe stuck candy in his diaper as a child and left without him or his parents having paid for it. Later, his mother married a man who was once arrested for shoplifting. The obvious conclusion is that Joe, now 31, must necessarily be a thief. Please tell me you’re kidding.
5. And Obama has a “born-again” affinity for the nation of his Muslim father.
Did I miss something? Nothing presented in the article suggested any “born-again” affinity as you term it, unless that is what is meant by simply having a desire to see where one half of your parentage came from. In that case, I guess I must have a “born-again” affinity for Puerto Rico sense I wanted to see where my biological father came from.
6. is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim
I’d be really curious as to how many Muslims you’ve discussed this opinion with, or perhaps, is this is an attempt to pawn of your own opinions as belonging to others.
7. who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father’s heritage
Um, again, where did this come from? I can’t say that there’s nothing that suggests this, but there is certainly no proof of this in the article other than you simply saying it is so.
Now lest anyone get the purpose of my statements confused, this is not a defense of Barack Obama, and it definitely isn’t defense of Islam – but just an objective look at what was stated.
Remember, extremists usually view objective statements that do not buy into their own views as being extremists statements for the other side.
God bless America, her people, her friends, and keep her safe.
I’M WELL AWARE THAT HUSSEIN IS AN ARABIC WORD, BUT AS YOU WELL KNOW, IT IS A MUSLIM NAME. YOU WILL BE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND TO MANY CHRISTIAN ARABS WITH THAT NAME. AND FYI, OBAMA IS NOT AN ARAB, NOR WAS HIS FATHER. HIS FATHER CHOSE THE NAME, NOT BECAUSE IT IS AN ARABIC WORD, BUT BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM. AS YOU WELL KNOW, NOT MANY NON-MUSLIMS WANT TO NAME THEIR KIDS AFTER ALI’S SON. AS FOR THE REST, I DON’T SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR FALSE PREMISES AND FAILED LOGIC, AND SIMPLY DON’T HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO IT ALL. BUT YOU ARE WRONG.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

taalibeen on December 27, 2006 at 2:27 pm

Thank you for your attention and response to my post. Please, there is no need to “shout.” I can “hear” you just fine.
1. I’M WELL AWARE THAT HUSSEIN IS AN ARABIC WORD, BUT AS YOU WELL KNOW, IT IS A MUSLIM NAME. YOU WILL BE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND TO MANY CHRISTIAN ARABS WITH THAT NAME. AND FYI, OBAMA IS NOT AN ARAB, NOR WAS HIS FATHER. HIS FATHER CHOSE THE NAME, NOT BECAUSE IT IS AN ARABIC WORD, BUT BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM.
Your logic is still very much flawed. There are many people whom, according to the declarations of faith that they have uttered, are Muslims but have the name ‘Isa, which is the Arabic form of the name Jesus. By your logic, simply having the name should make them Christian; or is it your contention that the “having a name automatically makes you a member of a particular faith” game is a only works if the outcome makes a Muslim?
Again, even if his father was Muslim, that does NOT, in regards to Islamic law, or just plain common sense automatically make him one.
2. YOU WILL BE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND TO MANY CHRISTIAN ARABS WITH THAT NAME.
And your point is? I personally have a friend who is white, his wife black, and of course their children are biracial. He and his family, like myself, were Muslims. They named their four daughters with Arabic names, one of them being Fatimah, which is a popular name among Muslims because it was the name of one of the Prophet Muhammad’s daughters.
After leaving Islam for Christianity they did not rename themselves or their daughters.
Now these girls are Christians, have Arabic and by your call Islamic names. Their parents named them such because they WERE Muslims at the time of the births of their daughters.
How does any of that necessitate that they, the girls or their parents, MUST necessarily be Muslims now?
2. AS FOR THE REST, I DON’T SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR FALSE PREMISES AND FAILED LOGIC, AND SIMPLY DON’T HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO IT ALL. BUT YOU ARE WRONG.
I don’t claim to have all the answers and am certainly aware of my own propensity to be mistaken. Alas, it is a shortcoming I accept due to acknowledgement of the frailty of human nature as all other than God fall far short of God’s perfection.
That being said, in regards to what I mentioned above, I guess I MUST be wrong, because you said I am.
I suppose you are the proof and no corroborating evidence need be provided.
Take care and God bless.

taalibeen on December 28, 2006 at 7:18 am

Oh and for the record, I know more non-Muslims named Fatimah than I do Muslims!
Oops, I meant to say that I know more Muslims who do not know that they are Muslims because they have that name, than I do Muslims who know they are Muslims because they have that name.

taalibeen on December 28, 2006 at 7:22 am

من اين تعلمت اللغة العربية؟
Please forgive the lack of shaddah and other diacritical marks, the online keyboard at http://www.al-islam.com/key.htm does not accomodate them all.
But I trust that from context you know what I’m asking. Just curious.

taalibeen on December 28, 2006 at 11:43 am

Hah! Debbie…. let me ask you something.. If you are able to put up an obviously misleading picture of yourself up on your website (let’s face it.. it stinks of photoshop or whatever the hell touch-ups you did to it) then why can’t Barack Obama polish up his image? 🙂 Now… you’ll probably accuse me of fighting dirty and tell me what I just stated is irrelevant to the subject… well… so is your warped reasoning and wishy washy links and connections that your bigoted mind has come up with. broad, sweeping statements, and being uncultured doesn’t win the day my dear.

JimboJoe on December 29, 2006 at 4:09 am

Let’s say he is Muslim…obviously he has some African blood in him. So what?! What are you afraid of! He’s an American…through and through! Not to mention he IS a practicing Christian.
Get rid of your irrational fears.
Independents for Obama

Independents for Obama on January 5, 2007 at 12:12 pm

The first permanent European colony in the modern U.S. was founded by people seeking freedom from religious persecution. It is amazing to see how far we have come nearly 400 years since then. There seem to be many people [trolls?] posting here that are so cavalier about using strong and hateful language with regard to Islam. Leading politicians (including the president) from both major parties have insisted that we are not in a war against Muslim people. I think some of the readers here missed that message. Isn’t freedom of religion one of the bedrock values that once made America “morally superior” and the envy of other nations? Why should a candidate’s religion matter in a free country? Did the terrorists win? The signs point to yes because here there are scores of comments here by people who are terrified that a guy with a funny name could be president. Maybe I was raised with some screwy branch of Christianity, but I was taught to love all of God’s children–regardless of their race, religion, or political affiliation.

nfh0012 on January 5, 2007 at 6:25 pm

Hi, any voter or potential voter should be concerned if ANY politician lies, paticuarly about himself.
For the information of those ignoramous revisionists who claim that islam spread in Africa before Christianity…in his early days mohammad was given refuge in Ethopia by a CHRISTIAN king. How did that happen if Christianity was not in Africa? btw Ethiopia was and is an African (Christian) country. Christianity was ALSO spread throughout the Middle East by the time mohammad was born or are you going to deny that too? The Coptic church was THE national church of Africa till the 7th century when the muslims began to invade. Islam was spread by force in Africa and Europe,Christianity was not.
Now if you are going to deny what I have posted please give us a reference instead of endlessly repeating your opinion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/index_section8.shtml
http://www.allaboutreligion.org/history-of-christianity-in-africa-faq.htm

Dragonlady on January 10, 2007 at 10:52 pm

I dont? understand why you use the logic of assumption for exampleÔø? So Debbie, Schlussel is in all likelihood a German name, which if we apply the same logicÔø? Schlussel is a polish Jewish name not a German name. Your logic has imbedded an ignorant assumption based on an error. Seems to me that this type of rationalization is nebulous. I take personal offence of this as I am Jewish. If Obama is and identifies himself as Christian then he is Christian period. Would you like people calling you a Zionist even though you are not and youÔø?re merely Jewish? Like Ôø?Debbie is a Zionist even thought she does not know it?Ôø? Debbie this is America. Anyone who wants to pursue their dreams is going to. This country does not belong to a particular ethnic group including Polish Jews, It belongs to all of us and we all participate in it. Some will fail some will lose based on there ideas and their success but not based on their religion! God knows I would not like the tables turned and people like you could be personally attacking someone because they are Jewish!
In other words grow up youÔø?re a 50+ year old women, common donÔø?t embarrass your family.

usapatriot on January 12, 2007 at 4:27 am

I dont? understand why you use the logic of assumption for exampleÔø? So Debbie, Schlussel is in all likelihood a German name, which if we apply the same logicÔø? Schlussel is a polish Jewish name not a German name. Your logic has imbedded an ignorant assumption based on an error. Seems to me that this type of rationalization is nebulous. I take personal offence of this as I am Jewish. If Obama is and identifies himself as Christian then he is Christian period. Would you like people calling you a Zionist even though you are not and youÔø?re merely Jewish? Like Ôø?Debbie is a Zionist even thought she does not know it?Ôø? Debbie this is America. Anyone who wants to pursue their dreams is going to. This country does not belong to a particular ethnic group including Polish Jews, It belongs to all of us and we all participate in it. Some will fail some will lose based on there ideas and their success but not based on their religion! God knows I would not like the tables turned and people like you could be personally attacking someone because they are Jewish!
In other words grow up youÔø?re a 50+ year old women, common donÔø?t embarrass your family.

usapatriot on January 12, 2007 at 4:29 am

Thanks for the great article. I would strongly urge you and your readers to remember that in the Islamic faith that it is perfectly acceptalbe to lie to infidels. As for Obama’s “Christian” faith, the United Church of Christ is a very liberal organization and is the church home of a Who’s Who of hard line leftys with Howard Dean at the top of the pile. Jesus said in Luke 6:43-44 “For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.”
At the very least with Obama’s stances on abortion, “gay marriage”, anti-Israeli stance, as well as other issues, his fruits make him anything but a true Christian. Myself, being a Christian pastor, I am offended by his actions and his claim to be a Christian. The world has way too many part time Christians as it is, but wolves in sheeps clothing must not be tolerated. Whether or not Obama is a Muslim, I can’t say, but I can say that his fruits and his ambitions are anything but Christ-like or in the interest of the betterment of our society or culture. Ideals and beliefs like these have been systematically destroying our country and our society for the past fifty years and if there is any hope to save our way of life, people like this must be exposed and stopped.
Please keep Shining and Buy No Lie

buynolie on January 13, 2007 at 3:21 pm

Debbie loves to toss out the word “radical” as an adjective to describe people she disagrees with. Let’s call Debbie a radical illogician.
I wrote the following email to her, but thought I’d share it with you folks. (By the way, Purple Cow rocks!)
Dearest Debbie,
Are you so desperate for attention that you’ll just say anything, no matter how dangerous or hurtful or illogical? Do you feel so badly about yourself that you have to mock other religions and cultures? What’s funny to me is that you make fun of the names JosÔø? and Hussein — and your name’s Debbie. Debbie? As in “Debbie Does Dallas”? Are you for real? You make me as embarrassed of being white as Osama Bin Laden makes my friend Mahia embarrassed of being Muslim. Fortunately, neither you nor Bin Ladin reflect the rich and beautiful cultures you come from. You two both come from one culture — the culture of hate.
I really don’t understand people like you. What’s the point of your divisive commentary? Why are you so wedded to hate. Your type was much more interesting when you still wore hoods and burned crosses. Now you dress well. You wear makeup. You speak well. But you’re still just as ugly and ignorant as ever. Please put your hood back on. It’s awfully embarrassing for you to go out so exposed.
I pray you find compassion. When you do, I’ll find some in my heart for you. Until then, your chatter is just more noise amid the cacaphony.
Best to you and your recovery…

Abdul Mohammad Obama on January 15, 2007 at 2:18 am

Baraka is a Swahili word meaning “blessing” and is derived from Arabic. Much of Swahili is derived from Arabic, but Swahili is one of the two national languages of Kenya. Regardless of the origin of the man’s name, it’s the name of his father. Period. Did you pick your name?
And Muslims are free to pretend that Senator Obama is a Muslim, but if he doesn’t think he is, I’d say he’s right. Or, is what one is CALLED by others supposed to alter what one actually is? If someone calls me a kangaroo, I don’t magically become a kangaroo.

AndySocial on January 17, 2007 at 7:34 pm

Oh, and for those who say Senator Obama should embrace his mother’s religion, Ann Dunham is listed as an atheist in several biographical documents. Senator Obama merely says she is spiritual, but has a skepticism of organized religion.
So, should the Senator embrace atheism? If religion is so bloody important to his politics, wouldn’t that be a death knell in this country?

AndySocial on January 17, 2007 at 7:41 pm

Has our population been “dumbed down” enough to believe that “no judgment” is “good judgment?” If that’s the case, what the heck is “poor judgment?” Using facts set before you to come to logical conclusions?
I find it extremely disturbing how susceptible people are to propaganda. If the media hyped it long enough, they could easily convince many that it is prejudiced and hateful to hold it against any candidate if he/she has a history of affiliation with white supremacy groups, pedophile organizations, etc.
It reminds me of a family member of mine who, after being warned repeatedly of the violent and cruel history of a certain male, believed everyone was being unfair and judgmental. Ignoring all warnings, she married the man. She was actually surprised when he cursed, abused, financially raped, and cheated on her.
There are times when one definitely must err on the side of caution – electing a president is definitely one of them.
I challenge any and everyone who has not done so to pick up unbiased reference books, to read up on the current nations run by Muslim governments, and to GET A CLUE!

Deepskirt on January 19, 2007 at 9:53 pm

Just out of curiosity, what makes Islam a “worse” religion than Christianity/Judaism? Everyone (including Ms. Schlussel) seems to assume that Islam is in itself a bad thing, but I fail to see any evidence of this. Until someone shows me definitive proof that (a) Obama is truly Muslim and (b) Islam is inferior to Christianity, I will have a problem with this article.

rostra on January 19, 2007 at 11:43 pm

To rostra,
What makes Islam “worse” than Christianity/Judaism? That is not a pertinent question. This article and the ensuing discussions are in the context of current political affairs. The correct question would be: What makes Islamic connections a problem in American politics.
Politically speaking, there is CURRENTLY a wealth of difference between the politics of Muslim vs. non-Muslim nations. Do you have no access to reference materials? Just READ! Read non-partisan, regular ENCYCLOPEDIAS; find articles in mags such as National Geographic (pre-dating the war are best), etc.
Ask yourself a few questions. What freedoms do you expect/enjoy that you are unwilling to give up? The right to be non-religious? The right to speak your mind on ALL accounts? Make a list, then check and compare every Muslim nation’s laws/rights (note: they are indeed literally “Muslim governments”, but America/United Kingdom/Israel, etc. are NOT literally religious governments) and answer for yourself why many freedom-loving people have a problem with the Muslim ideology seeping into our political system.
BACK AWAY FROM THE T.V.! READ, THINK, AND PROCESS FOR YOURSELF

Deepskirt on January 20, 2007 at 12:52 am

Why dont we judge people on their merit, what they stand for.. lets not reduce multifaceted individuals to a singular identity which is religion

gandalf on January 20, 2007 at 9:29 am

I have a couple of questions in response. The first is, what makes you think that Obama being elected is going to allow “Muslim ideology to seep into our political system?” Secondly, one of the rights you mentioned was the freedom to choose my religion. Why should my president not have the same right?

rostra on January 20, 2007 at 9:35 am

Anyone that calls him “Osama Obama” or “Banana” or any of the other stupid shit people are saying on here don’t deserve to be on the internet. It’s a wonder people like you manage to provide for yourselves. Are you really so caught up in your partisan world that you sit around stupid blogs like this circle-jerking with other dipshits? This is the same kind of mentality we’ve had to put up with from extreme liberal teenagers who think that ‘omg bush=hitler’. Maybe you all should rethink things. When you’re ready to act like an adult (not to mention a responsible American citizen), the rest of us will be waiting.

Walldo on January 20, 2007 at 5:45 pm

In his autobiography Mr. Obama admitted that his Indonesian stepfather (Sutoro) was a non-practising Muslim. However, ‘non-practising’ Muslim only means that one does not pray five times a day. It does not at all mean that one is opposed to Islamic terrorism and/or other radical Islamic teaching.
It is quite easy to test whether or not Mr. Obama is a closet Muslim: Just observe whether or not Mr. Obama eats PORK. Practically ALL non-practising Muslims of Indonesia do not eat pork, just like their devout Muslim brothers. This fact can be generalized to all Muslims in the world, and can be very easily tested, e.g., during Democrat Party convention meetings.
If Mr. Obama eats pork, than it is true what he said, that he is not a Muslim. However, if Mr. Obama avoids eating pork, then he is a true Muslim in his heart. Thus, if Mr. Obama does not eat pork, he reveals himself as a dangerous threat to all Americans; he is practising the notorious Koran tactics ‘al-Taqiyya’.

Momentoftruth on January 21, 2007 at 10:55 pm

to deepskirt,
your analysis of whether christianity is better than islam is DEEPLY flawed. If you really read history, you would realise that Islam is now what Chritianity was for most of western civilization since its adoption as the state regime of Constantine. In early america politics was deeply tied with religion. Thing such as fornication, alcoholism, and Christamas were against the law and punishable by law. Let’s not forget the incident of the hangings of the “Salem witches” who were not really witches but were probably halucinating thanks to a bacteria in the year’s crops. Let’s remember the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisitions that resulted in the death of an untold multitude for being “heretics.” Deaths due to the inquisitions are estimated to be from “600000 to as high as 9000000” and “the total number of deaths due to the crusades had been estimated at around nine million.” Let us also not forget the worst genocide of all history, that which the so-called Christian nations inflicted on the native americans and african slaves. All of this was supported by the Christian church in the name of “saving the heathens.” One could even be killed by law for trying to translate the Bible into the vernacular in certain European countries of the time. These are just a few of the killings that happened in the name of Christianity as supported by the “Christian” nations of the time.
The real issue is not muslim vs other religions. Rather, it is religious government vs atheistic or agnostic government. The form of government that we feel is so “just” has nothing to do with religion. It is based on the French Revolution and french concepts of enlightenment. In the French Revolution, religion was actually turned upon and the Catholic Chruch was forced outside of government. One work says on the French Revolution:
“PhilosophÈs, rejecting the church and embracing Deism, Agnosticism or Atheism, had a good deal of historical rationale for their attacks on the church. And many who occupied high positions within the Revolution thought as they did. ”
So the ideal government as Americans see it is really scientific rather than religious. The French succeeded in throwing religion of it’s back. Eventually I think this same concept will be used to throw religion out of the bed and crush its political influence all-together. Modern western politics is particularly
areligious.
So to condemn muslim as a bad religion is wrong and faulty. History already attests to the fact that the christian clergy in power is, to date, worse than the muslim clergy in power. The real condemnation is in “religion” affecting politics. All of the presidents of the US have been religious only in name. The government of the US and other nations is based firmly on secularism.

rebellionofthemind on January 23, 2007 at 1:42 pm

my mother was a Jew. that makes me a Jew.
i accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah. that makes me a CHristian.
a man is who he believes he is, bloodline aside.
if Obama says he’s a Christian, it’s a slippery slope to say otherwise.

atticus_finch on January 24, 2007 at 7:35 am

Sorry state of affairs, first we have to worry about the Dems electing DYKE Hillary, now we have to worry about a rag head in the US Senate. Man those bastards will do anything for power. Maybe Bill Clinton will become a rag head. He already likes head……
cchotard

cchotard on January 24, 2007 at 4:41 pm

In the interest of fairness and balance, I’d like to say: who cares what his religion is? He can worship whatever or whoever he wants to as long as he can get the job done! Apparently, to some petty and hateful people, the works and policies of a candidate are not nearly as important as having a facade of faith, white skin, and a feigned folksiness.

ccorday on January 26, 2007 at 2:37 am

Disagreeing with someones political views is one thing, but to hate them is something different. Many people on this site have stated that they are christian and that they hate Obama. Being born into a christian family and raised as such, I dont see how that is christian like at all. It shouldnt matter what religious back ground they come from, what the color of ones skin is, or what the origin of thier name is. We should be treating each other with respect. There are many political things that I disagree with but I dont hate the person for it. I just disagree with thier politics. Having an arabic name doesnt make you arabic, nor does it make you a muslim. And if it did then so what? My parents gave me an arabic name because they liked the name. My family heritage is primarily from England. Does this mean that I cant be christian because of my name? And if it did would it make me a different person? It makes me really sad to see people hating each other for where they come from. If you believe that Obama is a wrong canidate to lead our country then say why he is and being muslim has nothing at all to do with if he is going to make our country better and stronger. Im a republican and seeing this attitude towards a fellow American distrubs me.

al on January 26, 2007 at 9:29 am

So, you will believe this muslim that he is a non-practicing muslim. Then what will you do if you vote him in and he gets to the white house and then says, “I fooled you all, I am a muslim. I was schooled in wahibism, I hate all Americans and I now have control of the white house. I will now see it lay in crumbles. Islam will control the world. Just like no one checked the background of the congressional candidate who refused to take the oath of congress unless he put his hand on the koran instead of the Bible. Now we have a islam in congress.
Something ironic? Took my son to the airport to leave for boot camp… our country was attacked by radical islam… you wouldn’t believe how many muslims work at Louisville International Airport. They are so smart… they are putting themselves into the places where they will be able to attack us easily. Thanks to the ACLU, we have to continue to be civil to the people who attack us. We, the citizens of the US have to keep losing our rights and keep our mouths shut about it. Well, I’m tired of keeping my mouth shut. If you’re not a citizen, then if you don’t like the way things are done here, then go home. IF my American flag offends you… then go home. If you don’t want to speak the official language ENGLISH, then GO HOME!!! If you don’t want to accept that this country was founded on CHRISTIAN principles then GO HOME!!!! Marriage is between a man and a woman… just because you make it across the border, illegally, to give birth in this country, your baby should not be a US citizen and it give you a right to stay here and get benefits afforded by my hard earned tax dollars… don’t want to be here by legal due process… then GO HOME!!! I’m sick of losing my rights all in the name of being POLITICAL CORRECTNESS… if you don’t like my attitude, then GO HOME! If this is your home and your a liberal and don’t like it… then that’s your right for being a citizen of the United States. However, you might be too blind to see it now, but all of those people who pretend to be your friend and are shaking your hand right now to get you to help fight to get them the rights they don’t deserve for not being a citizen here, well do you remember your history and what happened between the U.S. and Japan in WWII???? When Japan was pretending to have talks with the US and were shaking our hand with the right while stabbing us in the back with the left? When they attacked us at Pearl Harbor???? History does repeat itself… they will not protect you or remember you when it comes time for them to take over for what they want.

Proud_American on January 26, 2007 at 8:59 pm

“Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep; it starts when you’re always afraid; you step out of line the man comes and takes you away.”
‘Nuff said.
JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE BLIND, DEAF, AND DUMB, DOESN’T MEAN YOU’LL BE SAVED FROM THOSE THAT WOULD HARM AMERICA.
OH, AND JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE PARANOID, DOESN’T MEAN THEY’RE NOT OUT TO GET YOU.
‘NUFF SAID.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

chimpevil on January 27, 2007 at 10:08 am

I’m still recovering from NCN saying that all the information about Barack Hussien Obama being muslin educated in a Madrassa School is false with no basis in truth. I guess we are just to believe that 180 degrees is telling us the truth and go back to sleep. So lets again think about NCN and its statement knowing that NCN and 180 have actually no understanding of the Islamic faith and have tried to always be PC at every turn. When has NCN ever not put their particular spin on the news for their political bent. I would say that Hussien Obama is ignoring this whole controversy allowing others to say its false-BTW why dosn’t he state this clearly. I have also heard that when a person who is non-muslim converts to Islam they immediately get a new islamic name. There are hundreds of examples from a very famous boxer to others. I think Obama needs to maybe change his name to David or Thomas. Seriously though, when he continues to hide his name and his past and his Father from the public by lying …especially when he wants to be the President of the US( Highest Office in the USA)- which is not exactly a low profile job there’s something not quite right. Out and Out Deception is a quality of the muslims when dealing with the infidels ( US Ameicans ). He could be practicing al-Taqiya-outright denying one’s faith in order to protect themselves primarily while living with infidels (americans). This is in the Quran-Surah 16;106. This is an accepted position. I would go on to say that even if he stated that muslims and their phophet are false I would like to see something of an action that speaks louder than words.. and not just words that state a position. Lastly, we need some very courageous journelists to do a very good background examination of Hussien Obama before we get any closer to the 08 election.

Superpatriot47 on January 28, 2007 at 5:58 pm

Both of my parents were devout Jews but I renounced Judaism and am a devout Episcopalian. Thus, I really don’t understand why Barrack’s father, born in an Arabic speaking part of the world, could not have been born a Muslim while Barrack, who was born in the United States to a black man from Kenya and a Christian White Woman from Kansas, attended Catholic Schools for several years while young, and lived a good portion of his lifew with his maternal grandparents, could not be a completely and utterly devout Christian. Heck, the story of my own conversion is much starker and more dramatic, especially given my parent’s reaction.
In any case, I really don’t understand how Obama’s faith is material or relevant to anything substantive.
But the subtle racism that pervades Ms. Schlussel’s blog entry is both amazing and frightening to me. As if being a Muslim (which Obama obviously is not) is a bad thing, something that we should be automatically be mistrustful of. What small-mindedness! People said the same kinds of ridiculous things about JFK before he was elected, only it was because he was Catholic and would presumably be taking orders from the Vatican.
A wise man once said in a sermon on a mountaintop in the middle east that we should judge not, that we be not judged.
I’ve never heard of Debbie Schlussel but, given that a devoutly Christian man (who I voted for, by the way) has lead us into the biggest blunder in U.S. foreign policy history, it appears to me that no faith has a monopoly on wisdom — or foolishness.
May God bless all of you.

Dances with Possums on January 28, 2007 at 10:22 pm

I AM AN INDONESIAN MAN
I ABSOLUTELY KNOW WHAT SCHOOL HE ENTERED IN INDONESIA.
IT’S REALLY A PUBLIC SCHOOL, NOT A MUSLIM’S SCHOOL.
HOWEVER,,,
WHAT’S WRONG WITH HIS ISLAM BACKGROUND? IF HE CAN BRING PEACE IN THE WORLD ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA?
THE ONE WHO DOESN’T WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM JUST BECAUSE HE HAS THE BACKGROUND OF ISLAM,, IS COMPLETELY A FOOL AND SELFISH…
HE/SHE ONLY THINK ABOUT RACISM NOT ABOUT PEACE AND NOT A LITTLE ABOUT THE COUNTRY….

chipta perdana on January 30, 2007 at 5:49 am

To Mr. Chipta Perdana, the Indonesian Man ….
I agree with you, it is not a madrassa, but it is still a public school that teaches Islamic religion and probably al Qur’an (although Arabic is unlikely). Today, most Indonesian schools are teaching anti-American attitude and celebrating Osama bin Laden, our arch-enemy, as a hero.
You asked, what’s wrong with Obama’s Muslim background? The answer is, YES, it is very wrong to have a Muslim background and want to run for president. Why? Because we are at WAR with Muslim extremists and Islamofascists. With his Muslim background, which covers all parts of his family (father as well as stepfather), Mr. Obama is most likely to be an undercover enemy for us, Americans. As such, he will NOT bring PEACE as you thought, but instead, a WORLD WAR, because even his camouflage Christian church, i.e., the Trinity United Church of Christ, is well known as anti-Israel, anti-Jew and pro-Arab. How can he bring peace with all the background?
I am pretty sure, Mr. Obama will never become US President; but Vice President may be possible, i.e., if Hillary Clinton is forced by the Democratic Party to accept Obama against her personal will. Even as Vice president Obama might still be able to reverse our Middle East policy and let Iran become regional nuclear power that soon will wipe out Israel from the map. HOW CAN THAT BE CALLED PEACE???
Fortunately you are Indonesian, not American. Otherwise, it is YOU YOURSELF who is A FOOL AND SELFISH, for voting for Obama. However, for your being an Indonesian, I completely understand your anti-American attitude, also your al Taqiyya tactic, since I suppose you donot eat pork and donot drink beer, which I suspect to be also the case with Senator Obama.

Momentoftruth on January 31, 2007 at 9:59 pm