THIS resembles one of my more two cases of Budweiser incoherrent blogs!!!
Pope Jihad, Cartoon Jihad, Koran Jihad, etc.—is just the other side of the same fair & balanced coin that all you limbaughnistas goosestep to, and it was hilarious seeing your Fox “news” clowns getting a beatdown by the ‘devil’ Bill clinton.

EminemsRevenge on September 27, 2006 at 3:53 pm

BTW…any of you dittoheads remember GW’s call for crusade [which translates into Christian jihad]???

EminemsRevenge on September 27, 2006 at 3:58 pm

So Debbie why are you mad because some one at least taking the chance to increase inter-faith communication. That is the exact thing pope asked us to do. We can only learn to exist by communicating with each other. If we go about criticize each faith we disagree with then what is the difference between us and the terrorist. We should engage in more dialouge and encourage dialouge so that improvements can be made to each faith and understanding of tolerance spreads

thirdgoat on September 27, 2006 at 4:09 pm

Well maybe this woman should understand her own religion.
Ranya Ildiby
“Nowhere in the Quran does it say, ‘Kill and you will be rewarded.'”
Uh, yes it does, Sura 9:111 to paraphrase says martyrs will be rewarded with paradise.
Now let’s take a monet to think about the Sura number 9:111. Does that number ring a bell? Maybe 9/11/01? It was not an accident that the terrorist attacks happened on 9/11. Mohammad Atta, the Muslim ringleader chose the date for the attacks. He used a couple of fake social security numbers while he was in the states preparing for the attacks, one of his numbers started with 911.
So before we can have dialogue and understanding about other people’s religions, we need someone who actually knows their religionin the first place. Don’t believe me, look up sura 9:111 yourself.

Minnie Mouse on September 27, 2006 at 4:40 pm

Ok, I looked it up so no one can complain I paraphrased sura 9:111 wrong.
Paradise is guaranteed to those who ìslay and are slainî for Allah: ìAllah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truthî (Qurían 9:111).

Minnie Mouse on September 27, 2006 at 4:52 pm

It is not surprising that those with no faith should should put so little value in “their” faith.

Burt on September 27, 2006 at 5:06 pm

EminemsRevenge could use a good Eminenema. It might help unblock his ears and brain. Bush never declared a Crusade against all Muslims. He is waging war against Islamic fascists. On the other hand, Islamic fascists have declared Jihad against all Christians, Jews, and other non-believers in the Religion of Pieces. At least he got the Clintoon “devil” part right.

FreethinkerNY on September 27, 2006 at 5:40 pm

HOW DARE YOU, DEBBIE!!! What right have you to challenge these three rightous women, who really understand how well they are treated under Islam, and how poorly they are treated under Christianity and Judaism. Among other things, Christian and Jewish societies MAKE women serve in the military, but Islam honors them as suicide bombers.
(to Eminemsrevenge- this is sarcasm, just in case you don’t notice)

Codekeyguy on September 27, 2006 at 5:53 pm

Lordy, Lordy, Lordy. Oh ye of little knowledge. Some of these comments are just nonsensical diatribes masquerading as responses to this post. They only serve to demonstrate a lack of understanding of the Islamic-fascist mindset. ìincrease inter-faith communicationî? Sorry thirdgoat, this can only happen when both sides are civilized and capable of offering ideas in good faith. Islamists are not civilized. ìengage in more dialouge (sic) and encourage dialouge (sic) so that improvements can be made to each faith and understanding of tolerance spreadsî? Sorry again, flyers filled with anti-Christian threats were distributed around Mosul, Iraq last Friday, demanding that Christians condemn Pope Benedictís quotes of Manuel II Paleologus or be killed and see their churches burned. Then, Muslims launched rockets at the Chaldean Church of the Holy Spirit. This was the second attack in three days against that Christian church. And please, before anyone brings up the Crusades, just remember that the Crusades were in retaliation to Muslim aggression. But actually, the point here is that the three women who wrote the book that Debbie is talking about are clueless and silly.

Rocky on September 27, 2006 at 6:04 pm

We hear ad nauseaum the de rigueur, throwaway line that Islam is a “great” religion, as in “a great religion hijacked by extremeists.” Well I ask…what in hell is so great about it?
What has Islam given the world? The only thing that comes to mind…and goes back to the time where Islamo-fascists want to take the rest of the world, is the zero. How fitting that the greatest feat of Islamic culture is literally nothing?
There have been no contributions to speak of from Islam in the world of science, medicine, inventions, art…nothing? Where are the Islamic Edisons, Farradays, Salks, Shakespeares, Beethovens, Newtons or Einsteins? Are they too busy blowing themselves and innocent civilians up in pizza parlors or flying airplanes into buildings filled with civilians in the hope of cavorting with legions of virgins?
Moreover, ask the average non-muslim what word or words they associate with Islam and you will get a straight answer….Jihad. How sad that the one word that everyone as heard regarding a religion means war.
Islam has never reformed. It was the latest arrival of the major religions, and basically borrowed most everything from them. However, what it did not borrow was an affinity for death and destruction.
So I ask again, What is so “great about Islam? Its only gift to the world has been Jihad. Other than that, zero.

DDB on September 27, 2006 at 6:17 pm

Bush’s use of the word “Crusade” was a mistake. The Pope’s reference to some 14th Century history was a mistake. What’s important is where we are right now, and where we are going. To people living as 12th Century goat herders the reference to a Crusade is going to have a different meaning and certainly will be taken out of context. Also,to the camel screwing Iranians, relax, no one wants your way of life, you mess with our Embassy and wonder why you’re still wiping your but with your hand?

code7 on September 27, 2006 at 6:49 pm

Wasn’t one of Mo’s wives six years old when he married her? Didn’t he consummate the marriage when she was eight years old?

zarex on September 27, 2006 at 6:49 pm

Zarex…Aisha (Mohammed’s youngest wife) was 9 years old when he married her. He was 52.

Duches of Austin on September 27, 2006 at 6:57 pm

Doesn’t sound like much of a holy man to me. Acts of pedophilia such as Mo’s are satanic in nature not divine. Who in their right mind falls for this B. S. ?

zarex on September 27, 2006 at 7:12 pm

Debbie,
You, me, and Brigitte – The Truth Club – Just the average Jew, Arab, & Christian trying to prevent the end of the world – and wishing like hell Hagar had been barren.
We would make a pretty cover page – I would get auburn highlights.
NOW THAT IS A GREAT IDEA! PLEASE E-MAIL ME.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

Dearborn Dhimmi on September 27, 2006 at 10:04 pm

Actually Mohammad married Aisha when she was six and consumated the marriage when she was nine after she reached puberty, yuck! Either way, still a sick bastard.

Minnie Mouse on September 27, 2006 at 10:43 pm

This reminds me of the wishful, blinkered thinking with which I tried to “understand” the Palestinian “side” during the Oslo years (1990s).
I attended a few “interfaith” discussion groups. The attendees were 90% Jews, mostly middle-aged or older, and more women than men. They were toned down consciousness-raising sessions, except that the enemey wasn’t “men”, it was “misunderstanding.” And there would be the obligatory pitch to buy Palestinian olive oil. I call it just a by-product of “hope pushers” (i.e., like “dope pushers”).
Dissatisfied with that, I took some steps to socialize with “Palestinians” living in my area. After a family dinner one night, when people had gotten up from the table and spreading around the apartment to relax, a two year-old boy comes running down the hallway from his room — with an al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade headband on his head. Y’know, the black & white kind, not green & white (which is Hamas).
There were lots of reasons why soon after I decided to not maintain ties with that family. That was a big one.

Jeremiah on September 27, 2006 at 10:49 pm

Zarex,
People don’t buy into this religion. People are converted at the point of a sword, and they remain moslems out of fear. Girls become women without any education, without any skills, with no opportunity to work or go into business. Their only path is baby factory. They are property.

Burt on September 28, 2006 at 4:38 am

Minnie Mouse mentioned Quran verse 9:111. I suggest verse 9:29 which tells the Muslims to make war on the unbelievers and humiliate them and make them pay tribute. The tribute, which took many forms and names later on, was an obvious reward for jihad.

Eliyahu on September 28, 2006 at 6:10 am

minor correction: the consciousness-raising groups and Pali family dinner happened after 9/11, not before.

Jeremiah on September 28, 2006 at 7:48 am

Is this a religion of “peace”?
Here is an article that shows what the quran says about how to treat Christians and Jews.
Conflict and Co-operation
A. Anti-Christian Polemics in Islamic Theology
1. Qurían
a. There is a marked difference between the treatment of Jews and Christians between the early Suras of Mecca, revealed when Muhammad was weak, and the later Medinan Suras, revealed after Muhammad had become a political, military and religious leader.
b. An example of the conciliatory verses of Medina are; Sura 10, verse 94. This verse seems to imply that Muslims should seek help from Jews and Christians, yet later verses deny the truth of these faiths and the honesty of the Christians and Jews. “If thou wert in doubt as to what we have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book before thee: The truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.”
c. Denial of Christian Faith – Sura 4, Verse 157-8: “That they said (in boast) ëwe killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the apostle of Godí: – but they killed him not, nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow, for a surety they killed him not”
d. Hostility towards Jews and Christians – Sura 5, verse 54: “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust”
e. Violence Towards Non-Muslims – Sura 9, verse 29: “Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden by God which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) people of the book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”
2. Hadith
a. The second source of Islam after the Qurían.
b. The life and sayings of Muhammad are regarded as the outworking of the Qurían and are therefore highly significant.
c. On his deathbed, Muhammad is reported to have cursed the Christians and Jews: “When the last moment of the life of Allahís Apostle (peace be upon him) came, he started putting his khamisah (shirt) on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said ëMay Allah curse the Jews and the Christians.í The Prophet (peace be upon him) was warning (Muslims) of what those people had done” Sahih al Bukhari
d. Muhammad is also reported to have called for the expulsion of non-Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula.
e. These Hadith and the Quríanic verses illustrate how Muslims were set up for confrontation with Christians: “Umar heard the messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: ëI will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims” Sahih Muslim
3. The Development of Polemics
a. Anti-Christian polemics began to emerge in the Abbasid period: This period lasted from 749-1258 during which time the center of power shifted to Baghdad.
b. John of Damascus (675-753) was one of the first people to document Muslim-Christian theological encounters. His writings were not confrontational.
c. Theodore Abu Qurra (740-825) was a very influential writer in polemics. Unlike John, he used dialectics to ëproveí Christianity and ëdisproveí Islam.
d. Of the Muslim writers, al Gahiz (776-869) is one of the most famous. He wrote the book ëA Letter on Refuting Christianityí which was a book for Muslims on how to disprove the claims of Christianity.
4. Dhimmitude
a. Umar the Second ëRightly Guided Caliphí Umar carried out the instructions of Muhammadís final Hadith to expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula. He also extended the conquest outside Arabia, changing the Muslims from a small community to a large colonial one receiving the jizya tax and slaves from new territories.
b. After the capture of Damascus, the system of dhimmitude was formalized by Umarís Edict in 634 AD
c. Among the stipulations in this Edict are:
(1) Prohibition on construction or repair of churches (obtaining permission from government is still obligatory today in Egypt).
(2) Prohibition on the outward display of signs of faith, for example wearing or carrying crosses, or ringing bells.
(3) Houses and clothes of non-Muslims had to be inferior to that of Muslims.
d. Among the stipulations in this Edict are:
(1) Non-Muslims were required to stand in the presence of a Muslim, to address them in a subdued manner and to give them the right of way in streets.
(2) Non-Muslims were not permitted to hold public office.
(3) Blasphemy against Islam was punishable by death (this is still the case in some Islamic countries today)
(4) The payment of jizya, the tribute tax
5. Apostasy
a. Because Islam is also a political identity, conversion from Islam is viewed as more than just religious defection.
(1) It is a betrayal of family and nation as well.
(2) The Qurían is ambiguous on the punishment for apostasy.
(3) There is disagreement as to whether punishment is in the afterlife or should be carried out on Earth.
b. According to the Qurían, Sura 16, verse 106-7: Anyone who after accepting faith in Allah utters unbelief except under compulsion his heart remaining firm in faith, but such as open their heart to unbelief, on them is wrath from Allah and theirs will be a dreadful penalty.
c. According to Sunna, leaving Islam is one of the reasons permitting the killing of a Muslim. ” …..He (Uthman) asked: ëWhy kill me? I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say: It is not lawful to kill a man who is a Muslim except for one of three reasons; Kufr (disbelief) after accepting Islam, fornication after marriage, or wrongfully killing someone…….” Uthman ibn Affan, Abu Dawud 4487
d. Muhammad is reported to have said: ” ….Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him…” Abdullah ibn Abbas, Sahih al Bukhari 9,57.
6. Spain
a. Islamic Spain is often seen as an example of Muslim tolerance and cooperation: We must consider that this dialogue was possible only because the Muslims were in a situation of power.
b. Arab/Islamic culture swamped the Latin-catholic society and jizya was imposed.
c. In Cordoba from 850-859, many Christians reacted by declaring their faith and denying Muhammad before the authorities: They were executed for blasphemy.
d. Although debate and dialogue existed, no criticism of Islam was permitted

INFINITE on September 28, 2006 at 2:32 pm

Cordoba SPAIN…..The Cordoba Project MOSQUE in NYC….near Ground Zero.

They are HERE folks and we best prepare for the rest of their plans IN ADVANCE

Meshuga Mikey on August 27, 2010 at 10:22 pm