Well as the ole saying goes, silence our voices and the next thing you will hear is the sound of rifles. If I was the owner of that company I would do a little extra-judical culling to send a message to the next useful idiot.
As far as Europe goes Debbie, they ain’t done yet. The useful idiots of the left and the muzzies that join them are in for a very rude awaking.

Drakken on July 2, 2010 at 2:09 pm

I wonder if this blurb about the judge in the case has anything to do with it? I am not citing the source since it comes from an anti zionist (read anti semitic) blog and I don’t want to give that site any traffic.

“Perhaps the fact that His Honour was born in the Arab town of Jaffa opposite Tel Aviv might have something to do with it! Judge George Bathurst-Norman was brought out of retirement to hear the case.”

I_AM_ME on July 2, 2010 at 2:24 pm

The Jews are guilty… so this justifies in sick minds anything against them.

And now the law is on their side!

The Decline Of The West continues to gather full speed.

NormanF on July 2, 2010 at 2:32 pm

During WWII, many Jewish people got into boats to flee Germany. Britain had a “quota” and actually turned them back to sea. When they returned to Germany, the nazis got them.

Since that time, Britain has steadily declined. It’s history and fact, not opinion.

As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 2, 2010 at 2:36 pm

The British enforced their White Paper against Jewish Palestine, condemning millions of Jews to their deaths. That’s historical fact.

Flash forward 70 some odd years later, a UK court ruled that is now permissible to deny Israel self-defense from Arab Islamic barbarians.

The more things change…

NormanF on July 2, 2010 at 2:40 pm

Debbie it,s a good job your not mainstream. But I do find the clowns that take you seriously amusing.

leon on July 2, 2010 at 2:44 pm

Any chance this gets overturned on appeal?

Gerald on July 2, 2010 at 2:52 pm

By the defendant’s logic, I can go and burn down all of the Mosque’s in my town because I feel helpless since 9/11.

Notice how when any muzzie does something horrible to people, the first thing that is done is police protection for all muzzie mosques and businesses.

How come when Israel does something that “upsets” some members of the community, the police dont go and protect the temples and Jewish businesses ????

jimmyPx on July 2, 2010 at 3:03 pm

Gerald – Reading Is Fundamental = RIF.

An acquittal can’t be overturned!

Sheesh…

NormanF on July 2, 2010 at 3:03 pm

NormanF:

Tell that to the cops who were initially acquitted of beating Rodney King. Sheesh …

Gerald on July 2, 2010 at 3:22 pm

Gerald, that was a state case and they were then tried and if memory serves me right, convicted on federal charges.

The UK is a unitary state and there is no separate tier of courts on another level, like in the United States.

So the precedent established there now stands.

NormanF on July 2, 2010 at 3:27 pm

Yep, disgusting. (I still can’t get over it…I’m reminded of that story, an old one, in which a person is assaulted and there’s a trial, and in the trial the judge finds the victim guilty and in need of an additional beating..whereupon the victim is flogged; while the actual criminal is not only released, but rewarded compensation…”Justice” inverted.)

J.S. on July 2, 2010 at 4:00 pm

Raul Hilberg noted that one of the most obvious features of Nazi Germany was its corrupt judiciary…(The trial of Katzenberger marked the beginning of Germany’s destructive fall into the abyss.)

J.S. on July 2, 2010 at 4:30 pm

I don’t always agree with Gerald, but I certainly support the sentiment of his comment this time, regardless of whether or not his specific facts are correct. There are enough Muslim supporters to attack. Fair question, after OJ was acquitted in the jury nullification trial, he was sued civilly. If the sentiment is in the right place, I can overlook technicalities, assuming they exist.

As has been stated, Europe has a long, dishonorable tradition going back at least to the Roman Empire, with a few, isolated bright spots. Lawyers make up the most wild arguments these days, and with the dumbing down Debbie mentioned, there are always juries and judges stupid enough to believe them, or find a justification for their own prejudices. The expulsion of the Jews from England, the White Paper, the genteel prejudices of centures, the widespread Naziphilia of the 20s and 30s, to the anti-Israel sentiments from the 40s through today, with only brief interludes.

Little Al on July 2, 2010 at 5:40 pm

People will always find a way to signal approval of what they consider acceptable.

I’d say no one really learned anything in Europe from the Holocaust.

Tell me what’s changed there.

NormanF on July 2, 2010 at 6:00 pm

Jewish sources say the fourth Rome is the descendant of Edom – the West which would be the European Union and America. Its at the peak of its power but like the other empires before then, its on a swift path to disappearing from history. The Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans along with the Nazis and the Soviets are all gone forever. The Jews are still around.

NormanF on July 2, 2010 at 6:29 pm

Part of the problem also is the British are so wimped out and and confused because of political correctness. Any conflict they face, they will give up without a fight. That too is coming to America, and Obama is leading the charge.

Back to the British. They are so cowed and so unwilling to rise up against real wrong-doing that the whole society is going to implode.

John on July 2, 2010 at 6:49 pm

Although to put things in perspective, Britain was devastated by World War II, and the resultant loss of their ’empire’. It was a tremendous blow to them nationally, and other European countries, such as France, suffered similar blows. This was combined with the anti-semitic traditions that commenters have written about, to weaken any resolve that may have existed to fight Islam. This created fertile ground for the political correctness that further sapped any constructive national traditions that may have survived the loss of empire.

Although there are some parties and movements that are rising in Europe to fight the Muslims; hopefully these movements will be untainted by lunacy or conspiratorial theories, although I’m not optimistic, overall.

Little Al on July 2, 2010 at 7:29 pm

Satan hates the Jews because they are G=ds chosen people.
No, I am not Jewish.

Max on July 2, 2010 at 8:10 pm

um, you know, your hysteria may perhaps make a little sense if there were actually any muslims involved.
also, if the factory was selling arms to Israel it was breaking the law.
stop equating all criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism, you actually debase legitimate cries of anti-Semitism when you do that.

jay on July 2, 2010 at 9:03 pm

“..if the factory was selling arms to Israel it was breaking the law,” alleges one poster, above. Kindly elaborate.

Little Al and NormanF: You both have a solid grasp of history, but even you, my friends, may be surprised at the degree of British antisemitism during, and immediately after, the Mandatory period. The Palestinian authorities (i.e. the British, who were charged by the League of Nations to enforce the provision of the Mandate that the Jewish people should have their ancestral homeland restored) were, in actuality, largely hostile to the Jews and sympathetic to the Arabs, permitting Arabs to murder Jews with impunity and preventing Jews from retaliating or defending themselves by disarming them. This hostility to the Jews culminated in the issuance of the White Paper. British antisemitism, despite the Balfour Declaration, ran deep, and nothing, evidently, has changed. I refer everyone who is interested in discovering the profundity and pervasiveness of English (and French) antisemitism from the Middle Ages to the present, aided and abetted much of the time by the Church, both Catholic and Protestant, to read Malcolm Hay’s “Europe and the Jews: The Pressure of Christendom over 1900 Years.” Jew hatred in Europe was worse, far worse, than even I imagined..how Jews survived in any numbers, even before Hitler, is nothing short of a miracle. Please get the book.

commonsense on July 2, 2010 at 11:20 pm

Because we both speak the same language, too many people confuse England with America. No joke, but Canada England and any other English speaking country is not the USA. Different laws, different rules, different rights. The English have a different judicial system, and this ’round, it obviously sucks, big time.
And since when are the Brits our allies, except when they have no choice. What has England done For the US-of-A out of the goodness of their hearts and their own freewill?
…unless it’s to their own benefit of course

theShadow on July 3, 2010 at 12:54 am

And as long as we’re discussing history, let’s remember that the Balfour Declaration was not a pure, dispassionate statement of support for Jewish interests or for Israel. Remember that the Balfour Declaration was issued shortly after the Russian Revolution. The Brits considered Zionism a lesser evil compared to Bolshevism, and it was hoped by many Brits including Churchill that the Zionist movement would gain adherents at the expense of Bolshevists or Communists. Thus, even the Balfour Declaration arose in part because of antisemitism; an exaggerated and distorted impression of Jewish support for Communism, and because of this distorted fear, a pro-Zionist declaration to counteract it.

Little Al on July 3, 2010 at 1:20 am

Three comments:

1) What the British judge and jury did was reprehensible. Thank you for reporting this, Debbie.

2) jay has not respond to commonsense’s July 2 at 11:20 pm post. Could it be because jay made that statement up?
(The statement in question is his claim that “…if the factory was selling arms to Israel it was breaking the law.”)

3) Concerning the point made by Little Al on July 3 at 1:20 am about how the Brits issued the Balfour Declaration, not because it was the right thing to do (it was), but for realpolitic reasons, i.e. using it for anti-Communist/Bloshevik purposes. If this is true, then it would all the more show as to the way G-d plans things. That is, in this case, in order to help sow the seeds for the reestablishment of the Jewish state of Israel, he had Great Britain capture “Palestine” (the land of Israel) from the Ottomans/Turks, at the same time allow the Bolsheviks to take over Russia, and then using Britain’s fear of Bolshevisim/Communism to have Britain issue the Balfour Declaration, which sowed the seeds for the re-establishment of the Jewish state of Israel. It would also mean that G-d used the Brits’ anti-Semitism to in fact help resstablish the Jewish State of Israel, whch in turn helps the Jewish people.

JeffE on July 3, 2010 at 11:16 pm

Jesus Christ, do you guys actually read the links and stories Debbie posts, or do you just read the inflammatory headlines. I didn’t make anything up, my statement “If the factory was selling arms to Israel it was breaking the law”, is based on this direct quote Debbie herself provided above:

“They believed that EDO MBM, the firm that owns the factory, was breaking export regulations by manufacturing and selling to the Israelis military equipment which would be used in the occupied territories.”

There were no Muslims or Jews involved in this court case so hold off the lynch mobs ok?

jay on July 3, 2010 at 11:55 pm

Oh and as a matter of fact, you can include the 7 million Jews of Israel on the other side as being involved since this attack was against our interests.

mk750 on July 4, 2010 at 4:09 am

In his summing up, Judge George Bathurst-Norman suggested to the jury that “you may well think that hell on earth would not be an understatement of what the Gazans suffered in that time”.

Hell on earth is what the people of Israel experienced during the Intifada and what the people of S’derot and Ashdod continue to experience to this day. The people of Gaza provide Israel with rockets and in return, Israel provides them with water, electricity and tons of humanitarian aid.
Pretty soon, the Arabs will be shooting at England. You can bet on it. Judge Bathurst-Norman thinks its hell on earth to shoot at Jews and have them shoot back, to deal with Jews who don’t sit down quietly and let you murder them. Does he also think it was hell on earth for the SS troops in the Warsaw Ghetto? Will he also think its hell on earth to shoot at Englishmen and have them shoot back? Will he think that Englishmen trying to defend themselves from Arabs are behaving so reprehensibly that any company that does business with such Englishmen has placed itself beyond the protection of the laws against vandalism and breaking and entering?

The acquitted are Nicholls, 52, Tom Woodhead, 25, Harvey Tadman, 44, Ornella Saibene, 50, all from Bristol, and Simon Levin [DS: In every anti-Semitic operation, there’s always a kapo in there, somewhere], 35, from Brighton.

If Mr. Nicholls, Mr. Pinhead et alia, ad nauseum, find war crimes so objectionable, why don’t they vandalize factories that are doing business with the Chinese or the North Koreans?

Miranda Rose Smith on July 4, 2010 at 7:08 am

Actually Debbie, you need to go further back. the Nazis were not the first to use identifying patches on Jews.
The first was Caliph Uthman – a Muslim, naturally – in the early 800s, who used yellow patches for Jews and blue for Christians, so Muslims would know who the (inferior) infidels were.

The British used this handy device as well at various times in their own Jew hatred, but the Nazis got it from the Muslims.

Jill on July 4, 2010 at 7:48 am

The Brits are a bunch of spineless cowards who suck up to anybody perceived to be more powerful.
That was always their modus operandi while occupying other countries and using the infamous divide and conquer methods to achieve their goals.

RG on July 5, 2010 at 10:16 pm

Is there an email or other way to contact the “judge” so we can write and tell him what we think.
I agree with the comments that the situation is getting towards a state where there will be reprisals from us. What other choice do we have?
As they said after the Holocaust – “Never again” – well it is happening again.
We need some “Inglorious Basterds” as in the film.

Banjow on July 6, 2010 at 7:46 pm

Is there an e-mail where we can send our comments to the good judge?

william bilek on July 8, 2010 at 4:32 pm

It gets worse. I understand the judge (born in Jaffa) was brought out of retirement. If this true then who made this decision and did he make it to get this very specific outcome from the trial.

Also, the elected MP for the Green party had argued in favor of the three Brits that vandalized the place. I guess green is a nice word for political left.. not just environment friendly.

Worst of all… it barely made it to news paper.. who is hiding the truth and on what authority?

Jacob on July 19, 2010 at 5:14 pm

So what was done (and continues to be done) in Gaza was fine by y’all?
No crimes committed here.
All honour to a decent man who supports the natural right of good British people to do what they can to protect the innocent from persecution and foul violence…..as the law proscribes.

How is the suffering in Gaza different from the suffering in the Warsaw Ghetto?

There are good Jews who publicly assert that Palestinians too are human beings worthy of justice and protection.

History does not begin with Jewish suffering. It is sickening to continue to listen to the bleatings of people who see the world as a conflict of interest rather than impersonal principles:

That which serves Jewish interests Good.
That which doesn’t Bad.

If the tide is turning against universal submission to the Jewish will then that is a great day for everybody….
…..including Jews…..who are more horribly misled by their elite than the rest of us are by ours.

ThereisaGod on July 27, 2010 at 5:53 am

Re: “Well as the ole saying goes, silence our voices and the next thing you will hear is the sound of rifles. If I was the owner of that company I would do a little extra-judical culling to send a message to the next useful idiot.”

George Bathurst Norman has indeed set a legal precedent that it is all right for Britons to take the law into their own hands (unless he is overruled and disciplinary action taken against him for malfeasance, which I think is happening). If it is OK for Smash EDO to destroy EDO’s property (as opposed to proving in court that EDO is violating arms export laws, which it obviously failed to do), it is equally acceptable for EDO to hire Clockwork Orange droogs, yobs, or soccer hooligans to go to the homes of the Smash EDO activists in question to throw rocks through their windows and smash their cars’ windshields with cricket bats or whatever.

Vigilante justice, posses, and so on are a very poor second best to rule of law but, if judges like Bathurst-Norman abrogate rule of law, vigilantism is better than “Lord of the Flies” starring adults instead of teenagers. Britons will have to go back to the methods that were used in the border lands between England and Scotland in the 16th century, e.g. the “hot trod” (hot pursuit) of bandits followed by rough justice meted out to same. This is why England needs to dismiss Bathurst Norman from the judiciary very quickly.

Re: “Pretty soon, the Arabs will be shooting at England.” What do you mean, “pretty soon?” The terrorists killed a large number of Britons in the 7/7 subway bombings.

Winged Hussar 1683 on December 29, 2010 at 3:08 pm

Oh no, some bad men stopped a country from killing some people from another country with weapons that shouldn’t have been in the hands of the first country.
Please for the love of your god, stop using what happened during the second world war as a reason to perpetuate hatred for others. So I’m guessing that puts me in your narrow minded view as an anti-semite, I don’t support your views therefore I must hate you. I don’t hate anyone as that requires more energy then I’m prepared to expend.
You all sit there and go on about how badly done to you are, whilst espousing hate, this makes you a large bunch of bigots, now ask what yourselves what your relatives who died at the hands of the nazis would have done, would they have hated others, or would they have accepted them for who they were, regardless of faith.

WHB on June 3, 2011 at 9:15 pm

As Jackie Mason noted what the hell happenned to the brave Brits that resisted the blitz only to be intimidated by a bunch of haters of Israel and the country that hosts them.
It is ironic that boatloads of Jews fleeing the Nazis were returned to thier deaths while the door has been left open for Moslems that have already plied their terror there.

Ron Wolf on December 27, 2011 at 5:49 pm