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April 19, 2010, - 3:07 pm

In Defense of Jamar Pinkney, Sr.: A Detroit Father’s Story

By Debbie Schlussel

Last week, in a Detroit courtroom, Jamar Pinkney, Sr. was found guilty of executing his fifteen-year-old son, Jamar Pinkney, Jr. The 38-year-old father was sentenced to 37-82 years in prison and will be 75 years old at his earliest possible release from prison. His story is one of the many tragic stories of life on the wilding streets of Detroit.

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And I’m the only person I know of (other than his attorney) to defend him. But I think he got a raw deal. Sadly, the Detroit mainstream media all editorialized against him in their coverage of the story.

You see, Pinkney’s son, Jamar Jr. raped his three-year-old sister. And while I don’t condone executions for rape, we know that those who rape kids will do it over and over, again and again. There is no cure, and all the counseling in the world doesn’t cure child molesters of their sickness. A fifteen-year-old boy is old enough to know that raping anyone–especially a three year old child who happens to be your sister–is wrong. In most jurisdictions, a 15-year-old is tried as an adult for such crimes. And at age 15, this kid’s warped, perverted behavior was likely a preview of his lifelong conduct, had he lived beyond that day. Via his execution, how many girls’ lives of pain, humiliation and lifelong mental problems from child-rape were spared? Quite a few, I’ll bet.

But, instead, the mainstream media soft-pedaled the rape, describing it as “molestation”–a sanitized word for it. The Detroit Free Press quoted the sentencing judge as saying the father denied his son the chance at rehabilitation and repentance. Do you really think a 15-year-old rapist of his 3-year-old sister will ever truly be rehabilitated? Dream on.

How many parents wish they could execute the rapists who have killed the mental lives of their kids after raping them? We don’t condone that kind of violence, but when it happens in the movies and in real-life, we generally applaud those people for cleaning up the earth of some of the excessive scum that made it dirty. I wish these child rapists would all serve life terms in prison. But we know that’s not what happens. They get out, and they rape little kids again.

I feel for Jamar Pinkney, Sr. He was one of the few fathers in Detroit (and Highland Park–a destitute, wholly surrounded suburb of Detroit) who was actually around and actively in his kids’ life. And when he learned that his teen son raped his daughter, he apparently snapped and immediately took his son out and shot him, execution style. I don’t think he was sane at the moment. And it’s clear he feels terrible for what he did. This was a father who cared about his kids. He went off the handle as many would in a very traumatic tragedy. It’s a horror and rage any parent of a raped child feels because they know their child is irreparably scarred forever, some of the life in them permanently killed. Now, he will likely spend the rest of his life in prison.

There are plenty of other fathers a/k/a sperm donors in Detroit who deserve life in prison far more than Jamar Pinkney, men who are far more of a threat to society. Some are hardened criminals who don’t kill as the result of the rage over a raped daughter. Others are those who spread their seed at random to various babymamas. And their absenteeism results in their kids becoming killers, drug dealers, pimps, and thugs. And, unlike Pinkney, Sr., they’ll never do a day in jail for the monstrosities they’ve borne on this city. Pinkney, sadly, is a babydaddy, too. The raped girl was his daughter by another mother. And that’s why Pinkney, Jr.’s mother and grandmother don’t mention (in the video above) the daughter her son raped and dismiss the heinous act as “lust.” Rape is far more than lust. And now the raped young girl will be yet another damaged Detroit victim of violence who also won’t grow up with a father.

Like I said, I don’t favor this kind of vigilante justice or personal death penalty, executing someone for a sex crime. it is uncivilized. But sometimes vigilante justice ends up working out for the best. And frankly, I think Jamar, Sr.–in the heat of a loving father’s anger that his toddler daughter was raped–did a lot of potential future victims of Jamar Pinkney, Jr. a favor. He saved their lives.

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280 Responses

Wow! I am so saddened to think anyone would consider murder a remedy or a justified in any way except in cases of self-defense. Are we really so callused that we now want to live in a society whether murder is accepted? Debbie, I can not even begin to put together the words to address your offensive article defending what this man did. So I will disregard it and you. However, I will say simply I am sad for you. Whether or not Jamar Jr. would have grown up to be a bonafide unrepentant molester as some of you are claiming we will never know. Jamar Jr. could have grown up to be a man any mother would be proud of. We will never know that either. What he did was awful, but he deserved at the very least a chance to redeem himself. One thing we do know is his sire definitely grew up to be a remorseless killer who did exactly what he killed his son for. He preyed upon someone weaker than himself. How do you justify that Ms. Debbie?What he did was awful, but he deserved at the very least a chance to redeem himself. Also, regarding the 3 yr. old child, one day she will know the details of what happened in her family. How do you think this will effect her life? None are righteous saith the Lord. We all make mistakes big and small. Do we really want to live in a society where murder is an acceptable remedy for our mistakes. Before anyone asks, yes I have children. I can only pray for God’s divine wisdom if I am ever confronted with a situation concerning my children where I might act out of control. I believe that is the answer.

Betty on August 11, 2010 at 3:44 am

Betty thank you for a wonderful well written reply. You left nothing else to say. I too was appalled and saddened by the article that Debbie Schlussel wrote. This boy became a victim as soon as his father picked up a gun and took it upon himself to be the judge, jury, and MUDERER. I feel if he was concerned for his 3 year old daughter and not being a father in her life he would have resolved this situation differently. Who is to say that this child would have turned out to be a rapist or molester, NO ONE, so to say the father saved alot of other potential victims is callous.

Gina on August 11, 2010 at 11:20 am

I don’t see how you can say that the little boy was a victim, he committed a crime and from the boy’s on mother she thought that he done nothing wrong when Sr told her that the little girl’s mother wanted to press charges. She said press charges for what… regardless if there was physical evidence or not he admitted to it and you know something had to happen because there is no way a 3 year-old toddler is going to know about what boys have. And no one can honestly say what they would or wouldn’t do in that situation b/c it’s not us. B/c if I had a 15 year-old close to an adult touching, humping, anything to my 3 year-old baby there is no telling what I would do either. You can lie to yourself and say you would never kill for someone violating your baby because it’s not you. I do think that he should have gone to jail; however, I think that max time he should have gotten was 10 to 15 years. Cause if this would have been a stranger who did this to his baby, then it wouldn’t even be a conversation. So ask yourself how much did he care about his sister, his father, or even his mother…he didn’t

Sara on August 12, 2010 at 5:15 pm

Sara,
You are one sad human. Without the details I will say that have faced the same situation with my child and also when I was a child. The situation was handled with the child and his parents and a pastor. I let God be God. I did not choose to play God. This was not a crime of passion, this was premiditated murder. Children are introduced to sexuality by the internet and television way before most parents find it appropriate to have the puberty discussions. So while you are praying, I would hope that you would pray for the same mercy for the children of this world, that God has given you on your life. Pray for understanding. He who has not sinned, cast the first stone.

Rell on August 12, 2010 at 6:27 pm

Who are you to say what was passion and what wasn’t you don’t know what he was feeling and people handle situations differently. This was his flesh and blood his sister and you’re right they see sex on the internet, television, on the streets anywhere. But there are other 15 year olds, he could have tried to experiment with someone the same age as him, but his poor innocent baby sister, are you serious??? I’m not saying what he did was right but as a parent I understand how he just reacted, I don’t think he’s a cold person I think he is a man who has done all he could and he’s drained he’s emotionally disconnected now. So you can’t escape seeing sex but at 15 go find another 15 year old not a 3 year old baby who is your sister.

sara on August 12, 2010 at 10:55 pm

Wow it’s amazing how people can be swaded by the media. I feel the media burdened he. Before the trial even startted and no one knows how he really feel about what happened with the rape. From viewing the trail it appear Jamar Jr mother was in denial that her son raped the girl. With that said, she could have blocked out Jr admitting the rape or other details, not intential but not taint the memeory of her son. Think about it, if your 15 years old raped a 3 years old toddler, would you want to admit it?

shauntay chatman on August 13, 2010 at 8:25 am

I cannot believe that you have made it this far in your career. No one can truly say what happened between Jr. and the little girl. What was proven was horribly wrong,indeed. But for you to say the things you’ve stated is ridiculous. You need to retire…like right now!

kita on August 14, 2010 at 8:14 pm

Some of you want to play and pretend that Pinkney Jr. should not have been treated thusly until it’s your child. It was an honorable execution, in my opinion, and serves notice on a bunch of these buck wild fools who have been intuitively educated that an offense against a black man is really not a serious matter. That is a fact that generally cannot be disputed when one examines the number of white men who have received the death penalty for killing a black man in the history of this country. At last count it was less than five, and that is further reaffirmed by the historical leniency granted to black men who kill other black men. The subliminal message continues to be in both the minds of black and whites is that, as U.S. Supreme Court Chief Taney once said, “a black man has no rights that a white man is bound to respect”. That opinion certainly over time as a legacy of slavery has infiltrated the minds of ambivalent and disrespectful black men and women in the dysfunctional acts directed towards one another. Unfortunately some people must be shown a lesson rather than told the lesson particularly if the instructor is a black man. There is no question that I believe in the righteous message that Pinkney Sr. sent. I think that we’ll see him again well before he’s 75.

bigbiggityben on August 14, 2010 at 10:14 pm

I pray for you Debbie and Jamar Sr. It is never justice for a father to kill his son. Yes, a precious innocent child was violated. But they both are a part of him. I wonder if Jamar Jr. evil instinct came from his father. The child needed a fathers love and help through this, as did that innocent 3 yr old. You said some harsh things about a person you never knew. Before you judge someone, maybe you should take a good look in the mirror. Are you perfect?

Dee on August 11, 2010 at 11:07 am

Finally, someone agrees with me. I truly belive he just snapped. He didn’t kill his son, in his mind he was killing a monster who had hurt his little girl and has probably scarred her for life. As being a African American i was deeply affected by this. There is so many African Americans who father is not around, including me. The whole time i was looking at him he was physically there but on the inside he was dead. I believe when he killed his son he died along with him. This man was hurting and felt like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Yes, it was wrong to kill his son, but at the same time he saved many other little girls life from being destroyed. Also, i would like to thank him because when he pulled that trigger he stood up for all the rape victims out there. Thank you Jamar Pinkney and if you ask God to forgive you will also have a place in heaven along with your son.

Sylvia on August 11, 2010 at 11:16 am

God is a forgiving God and he will forgive Jamar Sr. if he ask to be forgiven. My wish is that when he gets to those pearly gates, Jamar Jr. is there waiting for him and his only question is “Why did you love my sister more than you loved me”? If he can explain that then maybe he will be allowed into heaven.

Deidra on August 11, 2010 at 11:18 pm

@Deidra: JAMAR JR. SEXUALLY MOLESTED HIS 3 YEAR OLD SISTER!!! HE SOWED TO HIS FLESH AND HE REAPED TO HIS FLESH!!!!! What his father did was horrible, but please don’t put wings on this TEENAGE CHILD MOLESTER!!!!

Kumiko on August 12, 2010 at 10:46 am

Have you read the facts of this case? Do you not realize that the jury heard several hours of testimony leading them to conclude that this was premiditated murder? He didn’t just snap. He came over the following morning after receiving a phone call the night before. While you offer Jamar Sr. the option of asking the Lord for forgiveness, why was Jamar Jr. denied that right? People like you only see God in the way that benefits the decisions that you have already chosen to make. He doesn’t work like that. As the bible says, he who has not sinned, cast the first stone. Rape victims and those that have been molested still have the opportunity to recover and be successful. I know cause I have been there. My molestor is living a pretty healthy life and what he did as a child he regrets. He did not know what he was doing, he saw it on TV and thought it was what boys do. As an adult, he knows what he did was wrong. God has forgiven him and so have I. What would I or my father have to gain by taking his life as a teen? The battle of Good and Evil will never be solved by a bullet. It is so much bigger than that. The sad part is that the little girl lost her father as well. I am sure that if you would ask her years from now, this is not what she would have wanted for neither her father or her brother.

Rell on August 12, 2010 at 6:44 pm

How ignorant of you. Your opinion sucks and is ridiculous.

bee on August 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm

I believe that what SR done was very unacceptable to take the LAW in his own hands. And you are you to speak so badly about a 15 yr old jamar, he had a lifetime to change. Most molesters would never have done what JAmar did which was tell the truth. I feel Sr got what he deserve because he cannot take the law in his own hands. JR deserve to be here and tell his side of the story to the correct people who could have helped…Debbie you really should be ashame of yourself to talk so badly about JR, remember they never found any evidence to show that he had in encounters with her. His mother is not admitting because there was no proof that he did that however humping is totally different then sticking a penis in a lil girl vagina. At the end of the day God handle this situation….To GOD be the Glory for Jamar mother and family…

Tantanika Powell on August 13, 2010 at 8:05 pm

To all that think SR. actions were justified you all are some sick people. I feel sorry for all of your children and the future. The children of today are our future and if they are not learning morals than our future don’t look to bright.If the parents don’t have morals how can they teach the future anything.

taneka on August 14, 2010 at 7:12 pm

Oh, you’re an African American? What part of Africa are you from? Or is this the silly “African American” type thing where you pretend you’re African first and THEN an American?

I ask this because I AM African-American. I am from Johannesburg, SA. Let me know where you are from. If you are born and raised in America, then you are simply American. Don’t pretend otherwise.

Stinky Liberals on September 21, 2010 at 2:54 pm

The writer of this article obviously didn’t watch the trial. There was NO RAPE. The child was taken to the hospital where they found no evidence of a rape, which would be obvious with a three year old child. Also, this father didn’t immediately take his son out and execute him as soon as he heard this had taken place. TIME PASSED. A LOT of time. It wasn’t until he spoke with the mother of the girl child that he got so riled up that he returned to his son’s home (where he lived with his mother and grandmom), made the boy strip naked, took him out to a field, pulled out a gun, and killed the child who bore his name.

The child begged his father for forgiveness as his father pointed the gun at his head and then shot.

I’m sorry for what happened to the young girl, but in this country, we aren’t allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner to those we think are guilty. That’s what our courts are for. Then sentence of his man was appropriate. It’s a shame he didn’t receive the same sentence his son received for a lesser crime. This man is a murderer.

mary johnson on August 11, 2010 at 1:00 pm

Actually mary johnson, you’re wrong. There was evidence of rape at a different hospital and when he heard about about it Jamar Pinkney, Sr snapped. A lot of time did not pass and the facts speak for themselves.

Amanda on August 11, 2010 at 1:45 pm

Actually Amanda, YOU are wrong. The second opinion as to the evidence of sexual abuse, was provided by a physician as a result of an office visit, NOT a second hospital examination.

Inasmuch as the office physician had to consult an anatomy book
to refresh himself of the female child genitalia, I would not
put very much credibility to his opinion. Why did he not take a picture or video of the examination? I know why, because
nothing was there. In the a absence of other corroborating evidence, then its neutral “evidence” that should be given no weight in the jury’s deliberation.

Ms PRW on August 11, 2010 at 5:15 pm

Amanda….the killing of Jamar Jr. happened BEFORE the little sister pediatrician noted a laceration. The discovery of this laceration was the next day AFTER the murder. Jamar Sr. claimed it was what Jamar Jr. stated to him (which nobody else heard) with regard to the incident that supposedly caused him to have this “out of body experience”. And I agree, if this girl’s pediatrician had to take out a book to identify the parts of the female gential area…any findings seen by this physician is questionable at best. I wish people would stop saying that Jamar Jr. RAPED his sister….because it’s an inaccurate statement. There was no evidence of penetration so no raped occured. However, based on what Jamar Jr. told his mother, there was obviously some extremely inappropriate sexual contact with his sister. In that Jamar Jr. actually admitted to his mother and father his trangression showed me that he could have been helped. Being a relative of a child who was indeed raped by her biological father for several months, believe me when I say if there had been a RAPE there would have been some sort of evidence, especially on a child this young. My relative had evidence of bruising, old wounds in the vaginal tissues and irritation. She too was taken to Children’s Hospital, so I believe the ER doctor when he stated that there was no evidence of penetration as shown with the hymen being intact. I pray that the little girl’s mom get her help behind this incident……too bad that Jamar Jr. was given the same choice.

katwoman on August 12, 2010 at 10:38 pm

If u watched the same In Session, tht I watched, then u wuld have heard tht there WAS NOT any sign of RAPE. Her hyman was still intact an the only thing they found was a small scarp on the vagina. Its werid that a mans whos been a doctor for over 10 plus years didnt see anything an ths exam happen not even 48hrs after it happened. People really need to look up the term “Snapped”. Wht he did was act out a planed murder. If he snapped, as soon as Jr admittd what he did, which was 1 something in the morning, he would have snapped then an killed his son. R maybe as soon as he seen him then it could be you could say he snapped. But to go over Jr’s house, sat an talk with him about what happened an not flip out right then just is unreal. The second he said he was going out to the car, then came back an lied about brushing hs teeth, Sr knew the whole time he was going to kill his son. When a person TRULY snaps, its a rushed judgment an a lack of self control. What Jr did was wrong on so many levels HOWEVER, image what it must have felt like to own up to something sinful you did, only to have your father strip you nake, beat you and then kill you at point blank range like a nobody on the streets…… I can bet u that if it was Sr’s “older” daughter that would have did this to his “younger” son, He would NOT have put her on her knees and then blew her head off like he did Jamar Jr.

Esh on August 13, 2010 at 7:57 am

I think this story is just sad sad sad. I also don’t understand whats going through Ms Debbie’s mind. What the heck are you talking about?????????
I agree that Sr did snap, who wouldn’t? Now if he had beaten his son to death that would have been another story, because then Rage would have been a valid argument! But this crime was a crime of CONTROL more than anything. You already beating the kid, strip him down, bring him shame 5which he deserved) that should have been enough. But no, you take him to the yard kneel him down and shoot him, not in the arm, the leg but in THE HEAD!
He was trying to prove a point to Karonne Ivey, that HE is a man, that is all! And I think she should have been charged too, because she knew the man was out of control and HAD A GUN with him. For her own daughter’s sake she should have stopped him, now HER daughter is going to grow up without her dad because she didn’t care enough to see that a tragedy was about to happen.
Tragedy that’s all it it! And yes Jamar Sr IS a THREAT to SOciety if a man can kill his own son like that what the heck!

Erin on August 11, 2010 at 1:50 pm

Are you serious???? He didn’t rape the little girl.

Deirdre B Pride on August 11, 2010 at 1:54 pm

Ms. Schlussel, your editors should have never allowed you to publish that article as it is riddled with unsupported facts. Pinkney jr. Is a child whose frontal lobe is not fully developed and so he was not able to make well informed decisions, so a sexual predator he was not. He was driven by primal lust that due to poor executive decision making and a greater degree of 5HT and over stimulation of the hypothalmus, he acted imulsively. His actions were reprehensible but should have been addressed by the judicial sister. Pinkney Sr should have been convicted of premeditated murder as his actions were planned and deliberate. He knew better. He was a bully and an unforgiving person and I’m thrilled with his sentence. He is an ogre. It saddens me that you lauded the part time father based on the lack of parenting in Detroit. Too many men father children and leave mothers and grandparents to raise then and this is one of the many outcome. Despite, you wrote an irresponsible article, that is not supported by science, just your emotions.

Judith on August 11, 2010 at 2:25 pm

This boy was never convicted of anything, This girl was taken to hospital and declared normal exam.As a pediatrician 3yrs old are tight,any vaginal penetration will show somehow.3 yrs can recite what they have seen around or asked several times.This boy may have confessed because the whole family was insisting he do that,kids do so even adults,how many people have rotten in jail for crimes they did not commit cos they confessed.
Shame on you to suggest this man…daddy.. snapped and killed an innocent boy..he called him daddy,who can do that to a 15 yrs talkless a son. Shame on Jamar Snr,may he live enough to be miserable the rest of his miserable life.

mixie on August 11, 2010 at 2:34 pm

I am deeply disturbed by this writer’s comments…Who gave Mr. Pinkney the right to be judge and jury to his own son demise. His actions where truly uncalled for in a situation where his son needed help. He found it neccessary to first beat his son then strip him down of his clothes and take a gun to his son head. He should have recieved 1st degree murder. I am not a parent but I cannot concieve how someone could take a gun to their own child. I hope his conscience beat him up for a lifetime because his son cannot every get a chance to repent for his sin against his little sister. I pray only that God give his mother Ms. Cherry a clear mind in that she did all she could for her son, and that her heart only beams from the joy that little Jamar gave to her life…

Mika Cosey on August 11, 2010 at 3:01 pm

I am so glad Debbie wrote this article, because it voices exactly how I am feeling. Also, her insights into the many sperm donors and babydaddys (not only in Detroit) are spot on in that we bring so many unguided, unparented humans into this world who become vicious criminals. It’s frightening and horrific.
As a mother of a 3 year old and a 16 year old, I can understand that this man snapped to take the life of his own child. Perhaps it would have been better to let the 15 yr old predator rot in jail (you can NOT rehab this type of criminal). My fear, though, is that he probably would have spent very little time in jail just like most sexual predators. Our society seems to condone sexual violence as evidenced by how little actual time served is by most of these miscreants. I think white collar crimes actually serve more.

A 15 year old has reached young adulthood, many of them in different countries fight in wars, etc. Stop depicting him as a CHILD. Debbie is right in that his father saved the lives of many future young victims. If your innocent 3 year old was raped by a 15yr old stranger/hoodlum, instead of a relative, and you had a gun handy, would you use it?

I know I would.

wysp on August 11, 2010 at 3:02 pm

Maybe Jamar Sr. will be around to help you punish your children when they do something that you think is unforgiveable. There is a special place for parents like Jamar Sr. and judging by these comments, he will have plenty of company.

Deidra on August 11, 2010 at 11:23 pm

Judging from your comment your children just won’t be around you and that special place you’re referring to I’ll keep a seat warm for ya!!

Sara on August 12, 2010 at 5:52 pm

Love it!

bee on August 12, 2010 at 8:54 pm

I have been following this trial over the past few days on truTV, channel 58, ATL, and I have never been so fascinated and troubled at the same time. It’s truly tragic from any and every angle.

The reprecussions are infinite FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.

Most of us would like to think that we could never do what Pinkney did…but you can’t say FOR SURE what you would do. You probably can’t even begin to imagine having to be in such a highly stressful and traumatic situation. You never know.

There’s validity to both arguments. In my opinion.

KMD on August 11, 2010 at 3:20 pm

Are you kidding me? How can you all say anything against a man who had the courage to stop his own child from hurting yours? Because if Jamar Jr. would have lived, that is exactly what would have happened. We spend so much money (your tax paying money) trying to rehibilitate these child molesters. Not to mention all the money and time it takes to keep up with them (leg monitors, probation officers, detectives to locate the ones who moved and did not inform the probation officer, court dates and trials for the newest crimes he commited, and the few days we pay for his meals and stay in prison). Child molesters are like aids victims, they are sick with no cure. Jamar Sr. gave Jamar Jr. the sentence that the courts should give these perverts. Jamar Sr. saved your little girls. I’m sure Jacey duguard’s parents wished the same had of happened to their daughter’s kidnapper and rappist. Along with a long list of other mothers who’s daughters were killed after being raped. It’s hard to see it this way because it’s not your daughter involved. With all the child molesters out there, it very well could be.

Brandie on August 11, 2010 at 3:47 pm

If a man can kill his own son … he is a threat to society…beating him should have been enough but to kill him was too much. Rape is not a joke however…no man should take another mans life. he could have handled this better. Now everyone loses. Karonne Ivey needs to be locked up too becasue what kind of a mother would push a man to harm his other child from hear say….killing him? WTF was the point? He was surely in his right mind. What did he think was going to happen when he shot him POINT blank in th head. He needs to be rapped each day in prison for the rest of his life. He deserved what the little boy got. And the little boy was begging?…man..this pisses me off even as i write.

shanna on August 11, 2010 at 4:15 pm

Ms Debbie: Are you simply giving your opinion,or did you actually listen to the evidence presented in the case?

In either case, for you to arrive at this conclusion, if you are not tremendously ignorant, then I have only three words for you: YOU ARE SICK!

Ms PRW on August 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm

There is NO proof of rape. Her hymen was intact. Also…the mark on her was found 3 days later. That doctor was a kidney doctor. The doctor’s at the ER were trained to screen for sexual abuse. This man executed his son. He had 12 hours from the time he found out to calm down. The crime of passion was bogus. Who touched the little girl AFTER she went to the ER?????
How could ANYONE shoot their child in the face while he begged and pleaded for his life? Only a monster! Justice was served!!!!

Susan H on August 11, 2010 at 5:29 pm

THANKS SUSAN, SOMEONE ELSE TOUCH THAT CHILD AND PUT THE SCAR THERE. MAYBE, JAMAR SR.

sharon on August 15, 2010 at 1:31 am

While what happened to the little girl was wrong, two wrongs dont make a right. I dont believe that she was raped because her hyman was still in tact, but she was violated. Where in the world would Jamar Jr. have gotten the idea to do anything to his sister or any one else, maybe something was done to him. whatever the reason it was wrong but what the father did was too extreme and to say that Jr got what he deserved is cruel. Most child molesters are grown men who never got help in the beginning, not children who can be helped.I believe it was premeditated and I also believe that Ms. Ivy knew what was going to happen and is an accessory to the murder who has tried to keep her name out of it by saying she didnt know it was going to happen. While I would have given him 1st degree murder, I believe that 2nd degree is way better than manslaughter.He will never see the light of day and in this case regardless of what he would have gotten Everyone Looses. Little Jamar lost the ultimate, his life!

Tiwanda H. on August 11, 2010 at 6:28 pm

@Susan…what trial were you watching…there were two reports…the ER says no trauma…the pediatrician who later examined said a laceration…get it right and I hope your faith never lies in that ER for a critical diagnosis!!! I am sure all of you would have been SCREAMING for the death penalty for that same 15 year old had it been your 3 year old! HYPOCRITES!!! The dad should have been punished but not with 1st degree murder. I am a childhood survivor of this same SICK azz behavior and I am glad someone stood up for the true victim…THE 3 YEAR OLD!!!!

T. Gaston on August 11, 2010 at 7:03 pm

The world has really turned sad, when a writer of any paper or anything else that deal with the public can say the father was right for killing his son.Debbie Schlussel you are a big big, fool.and you need to deal with your issues. maybe someone molested you that is the reason you talk like a fool.that child needed help not to be killed. his father was no better then his son. if he did that to his child what would he do to you!!!

G moore on August 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm

beating jamar jr the way he did was enough. he deserved that. but he didnt have to kill him. he crossed the line when he killed him.
you cant just march somebody outside butt naked and shoot them in the head point-blank like that and then be let go scot-free. that was just too cold blooded.

ea on August 11, 2010 at 7:57 pm

Im glad to see other people agree with me. Im pretty sure alot of these opinions would be different had the 15 year old not been his son. Everyone has downplayed the seriousness of the victimization of this 3 year old. Shame on all of you that try to make this 15 year old boy a victim begging for his life/forgiveness. As a mother, your love is unconditional but to act like this act was forgiveable, is ridiculous. I feel everyone has gotten stuck on the fact that the boy was his son and have lost the fact that the REAL victim is his daughter, his 3 year old daughter. Can anyone with a child really say they wouldn’t want to kill someone that molested/raped there child. It’s not right to kill and I dont feel Jamar Sr she walk away a free man, but it wasn’t premeditated. He snapped and while its not excuseable, as a parent I can’t imagine how I would feel if someone did something to my child.
@ Susan, rape or molestation, they are both horrible, it made me sick to my stomache to read your comment. While the extent of what took place may be under speculation for you – There’s no dispute that inappropriate sexual contact took place. One or the other didn’t make that 15 year old less of a pervert. This was a 3 YEAR OLD. Jamar Sr is no saint but use that monster term appropriately.

jasmine on August 11, 2010 at 8:11 pm

A man kills his son who he just learned molested, raped, violated his 3 year old daughter. No one has a clue what this man was thinking when he committed this crime. I have to imagine given time he would have handled it differently (my opinion). If you see a three year old as an object of lust, then you have issues that go beyond the normal desires of a teenager. This is indicative of an individual whose target of molestation is someone incapable of defending or reporting the molestation. The article is right on, no one would defend the actions of the father, but you have to accept the fact that the father’s actions most likely prevented more molestation from occurring to others at the hands of the son. If you disagree with the article then you probably agree with rehabilitation for sexual predators, which is incredibly unsuccessful. I would like to know what is a good number of children to be molested before we should stop the molesters. Should each molester get a three strikes and your out, or maybe to the first child murder before we ensure they stop. This is not a case of lust or normal teenage desires it is a case of incestual child molestation, and a father who had to deal with his daughter being molested at the hands of his son, a tragedy for all.

Jason on August 11, 2010 at 10:35 pm

Debbie, your a bigger Idiot than the father.

PhillFoss on August 11, 2010 at 10:53 pm

What kind of a sick twist is the author of this article. She is making assumptions about situations that she has only limited knowledge about. Who is she to say that this child deserved what he got from a father that is suppose to love, protect, support and yes, help his son with ANY problem he might have. Court documents show that the child did not bear any signs of molestation. How trustworthy is the statements coming from a 3 or 4 year old? Yes, his actions with her were inappropriate but he needed help, not to be executed by his father. Debbie Schlussel, you are a warped, sick, twisted idiot and I pray to God that you don’t have any children.

Summer on August 11, 2010 at 10:58 pm

Debbie-

I ran across this article & just HAD to read what any objective person could possibly say to defend Pinkney Sr. Did you watch the trial @ all? Research your facts re: the case before typing this garbage up? A 15 yr old boy was killed!!

J on August 12, 2010 at 4:27 am

A 15 year old raped a 3 year old baby!!! Do you not see or care about that??? Ask yourself this if the boy was not related just some teenage off the streets and he committed this crime and the father of the little girl snaps and killed the 15 year old teenager….would you still feel the same way. B/C there is only ONE VICTIM and that’s the LITTLE GIRL

Sara on August 12, 2010 at 5:27 pm

I think the jury’s verdict was not based on empathy because they did not give Jamar Sr. the manslaughter conviction. However, they should have because he had said on more than one occasion that he did not know what he was doing when he shot his son. Therefore, I have prayed that Jamar gets a miraculous opportunity to receive manslaughter in the future because he only messed-up while being possessed by something stronger and bigger than he could humanly control.

Nevertheless, as a result of the verdict, I have realized that we humans naturally want to give other persons the worse convictions because we live in a nation where the TV presents movie scenes of people getting shot or severely brutalized, as if these scenes do not break-down our mental healthiness. Additionally, humans do not want to naturally grant appeals, although the other person may not have committed a severe offense. Instead, they would let a sociopath, who is an extremely disturbed individual like the John Lennon killer, out of prison. Yet, Jamar Sr. was not an extremely disturbed man and would not have killed a singer to get media attention like the Lennon killer, nonetheless, a Michigan court threw the book at him!

Angelina on August 12, 2010 at 5:12 am

I can not even begin to understand some of the points of view that people in this blog have. I am not trying to change anyone’s way of thinking, but put yourself in Jr’s mother’s shoes, in his grandmother’s shoes. Not only did his grandmother lose a son, but she lost a grandson as well. For what? I don’t condone what Jr did. I believe that he should’ve had the opportunity to present his case in the court just like Sr. I think we are forgetting that he wasn’t treated fairly. His FATHER took away his right as a human, as a citizen, and as his SON!!! I don’t care how angry you are, you don’t kill your child. If they would have let him off on manslaughter, do you now how many doors that will open for other people to go around killing their kids every time their child does something they are not happy with. I Understand that this man had all the right to be upset, and I understand that Little girls mother put a lot of pressure on him to take care of the situation. But I do believe that he chose his daughter over his son. If not and like he said, when Jr. told him he had humped his little sister, that “he cried” how is it, that him knowing that he killed his own son, didn’t move him a little? He didn’t even cry when his girlfriend was describing what happend to the little girl. I think it’s sick that people are in favor of what this man did. I believe that people desrve a second chances, but if Sr. didn’t give Jr. a second chance why should the jury have given him a second chance. If people think that Jr. wasn’t going to stop raping (even when they was no proof that he raped the little girl), how do we know that Jamar Sr. is going to stop his killing? How do we know that when his daughter grows up and gets a boyfriend and reveals to him that she is going to be a teen mother, (hypothetically speaking) that he doesn’t have another “out of body expereince” and do something to her as well? We don’t know that. So we need to accept that this man committed a crime and he needs to be treated just like anyone else that committs this type of crime. Then while he is in prison, the Lord may work with him and if Sr. opens his heart he will be forgiven by God, and he can be redeemed, but keep in mind he took away Jamar Jr.’s right to be completely redeemed.

Elizabeth on August 12, 2010 at 8:47 am

Children’s Hospital personel said she was not raped! There should be videos of rape victims exams for closed-court. All indications show she was not raped at the first or second day afterwards. On the third day she had a tear in her vagina! Karron, Where did that tear come from on the third day! A vicious, spiteful babymomma set into motion a falsehood to win his attention for good! She hated Jamer Jr, Ms. Cherry and his current girlfriend Michelle! Frankly, it appears she hated Jamer Sr. She is a evil demoned hood-rat that had a hand in this child’s demise with the fact that she will never receive child support for her 3 year old. That’s 17 more years at the post office.lol Karonne and Jamer Sr. were split up. She pulled a woman scoured trick and got everyone involved killed. We know Jamer Jr. is dead but all of the players life as it was is over! She removed his b _ _ _ s, however, she also received the same sentence that Jamer Sr. and Jamer Jr. got! all of the troublemakers are “walking dead.” Jamer Jr. RIP! No Abuse, No Penatration, and the Hymen is intact!!! This was a deliberate and plotted out killing of a 15 year old boy whose frontal lobe was undeveloped. He asked questions, showed affections to all who would receive it, i.e., his teachers, classmates, relatives. His social skills were not developed. He remained in the presence of an adult at all times, but who knew? Speak what you know!! Jamer Jr. was not the brightest teenager and folks that knew him~recognized that~BUT, he told his father the truth,”I pulled my shorts off, I pulled her pants off, she had her panties on and I had my undies on and I HUMPED her. That means DRY not pentration or even GRIND! Jamer Sr. STILL killed him (without forgiving him) it’s sad that he wouldn’t free his son’s mind when he asked for forgiveness. Only one chance at life; Now the music plays for him! I believe Jamar Sr. made up the harsh lie on the witness stand to help keep him from that LIFE sentence. No one else in this world heard Jamer Jr. make that confession that Jamar Sr. spoke in court. Do you believe Jamer Sr. could have molested Jamer Jr. when he was younger? Would he have seen his same pattern and was afraid that Jamer Jr. would come out with the truth of his father molesting him earlier? No counseling or rehabilitation or authorities for Jamer Jr.and this could be the reason for his under development. Jamer Sr. is hiding something gross. The truth will come to light one day!!!!I PRAY. He killed HIS ONLY SEED and exposure would have killed him. COWARD.
Diliberate Act: planned and plotted by 1 punk and 1 chicken head hood-rat. He must cultivate a demeanor for “Big Daddy or Bubba” and he won’t have that gun where he’s going. He will be there until he is 75. Let’s see if he can stand the pressure for the Life that he STOLE (for whatever reason). Next time you think you’re perfect, try walking on water!!!!!!TO THE CHERRY FAMILY~MAY GOD DIRECT YOUR PATH!

Mansfield on August 12, 2010 at 9:30 am

His son did NOT rape his little sister!!! Lady..if you are going to post something…make sure you have the facts right.

Stasha on August 12, 2010 at 10:06 am

Are you seriously saying that it’s okay for a 15 year old to touch, kiss, hump, show his penis to a 3 year old baby!!! I don’t know what is wrong with you.

Sara on August 12, 2010 at 5:31 pm

This case was tragic in every way possible.What Jamar Pinkney Jr did was wrong. I myself was a victim of sexual abuse. There is only one person I have to thank for allowing me to put that part of my life behind me. He’s name is God. Here’s the problem I have with this case. Once Karrone Ivey left Children’s Hospital she should have went to another one. Once Jr admitted to his father what he did. Sr should have been on the phone calling Karrone Ivey and telling her he confused.Here’s a another issue I have.If Ms Ivey believed that her daughter was raped. Then why did she call out of work as well as Sr but they sent this poor baby to school? If Jr had to die for his actions. The least thing Sr could do for his actions is sit in prison.I have watched alot of court tv, the First 48, 48 hours, etc. I have never seen someone so void and cold.When he was on the stand it was almost like he was reading a script for a upcoming Lifetime movie. Ms Cherry an Ms Ivey both gave some powerful statements. He didn’t even blink. He confused his sins to his father above and his father here on earth. If Sr went to the house after his son told him the truth, then I would believe he snapped. As I watched Karrone Ivey after the verdict I felt for her. But when she said the state painted him as someone evil and he is a good man. Well he is not on trial for who he was, he was on trial for what he did. His lawyers should have painted some tears coming down his face. The only person I beleive did everything they could from start to finish was Lizette Cherry. When she found out she went to the hospital and was willing to accept whatever Ms Ivey wanted to do. When her son finally told the truth she tol him to get on his knees and ask God to forgive him. She made him call his father and do the same. She could have kept that information a secret. She had to watch her child on his knees naked in a field begging for his life as his father shot him in the head.You can’t take matters in your own hands.

MarLynn on August 12, 2010 at 10:20 am

Karonne Ivey is evil. There will be a special place in hell for her, as well.

Sharyn on August 12, 2010 at 10:39 am

This is tragedy on top of tragedy.In my opinion,the crimes in which occured are much deeper than the respondents of this article can fathom.As a victim of many sexual encounters of my abuser starting @ a younger age than the little girl mentioned.Now as a parent of daughters and a 15yr old SON,I can’t help but to feel torn.As a parent I’ve always vowed that due to the violations taken against me,I would KILL if my child had to endure such.No one should have to live a life of constant grief,pain,and a feeling of uncleanliness.However,until I came across this court case,I never even imagined how it would be if my son was the victimizer…Naturally,I would want the best help available for the sickness that lies deep within him.Again I’m torn,because I truly feel there is no rehabilitation.I can believe the man snapped.I’m capable of seeing both sides because I live both.We will never know the depths of Jamar Sr’s pain before nor afterwards.I believe he should be punished at some degree,but not as extreme as he has been.The judge went beyond the guidelines.

T.Towe on August 12, 2010 at 11:23 am

often a person that molests has been molested themselves. although this does not change anything. how much does it factor into this situation??

reba burningham on August 12, 2010 at 11:47 am

I feel bad for everyone involved in this tragedy. even for pinkney sr. it is very sad.

vicki on August 12, 2010 at 12:19 pm

Yes only people who have been victums or rape or molestation mouth off. As a person victum of “Molestation” it riuned my childhood years. I kept quite about it but never trusted men at 42 I still can find in my heart to trust men and I think sex is disgusting. I was always afriad to make friends in schoold afraid of boys afraid of everything. IT STUNTED MY LIFE. I could have been so much more had the disgusting acts not happened to my from age 5-10. Yes I was a few years older but you remmebr everything even at 3. SO isay well written. I fell Jamar Sr gotten a rotten deal. That replusive teenager RUINED a 3 years life and now an entirre family. You do something disgusting like that there are consequences! Just like robbing a store you can get SHOT.

The worst part is if this didn’t happen I doubt anything would have been done but a LITTLE conseling. F**King judical system sucks. I was then raped in my later years only to have the two people free form jail 9 months later even with hard photo camera evidence. We are NOT a free country!

anonymous on August 12, 2010 at 12:41 pm

So rape/molestation is a crime (Anonymous, but taking someone’s life isn’t. I was too a victim of molestation and just so you know, I would have never wished death upon nay of the people that did it to me. And yes it was more than one… You feel the way you do and you are intitled to feel that way, but think we make mistakes all the time, and if we go around thinking that every time someone makes a mistake we have to retaliate with another crime, how would this ever be a better world. Those men were released and no it wasn’t fair, but you don’t know how that changed their lives. At least you eventually got to speak about it, and were not SHOT for saying the truth, or making you confession. Another difference this was a little boy who obviously was sorry for what he had done, unlike his cold hearted father, who showed no remorse about killing his own son… Bunch of Freaking PSYCHO’S… May God have mercy!!!!

Anonymous on August 12, 2010 at 12:51 pm

I think that justice was not served on this man I believe he did snap and all you have to do is watch the trial and figure it out for yourself they say there was no sign of rape then they say there is so you figure it out i do however believe that sr. got to harsh of a sentence than he deserved i think he has saved some ppl from getting raped in later years so i agree with the person who wrote the column there is no relabilitation for ppl like that whether your a child or not once a rapist always a rapist just like an addict..

cathie on August 12, 2010 at 3:24 pm

Well put Sylvia and others. If I had a 15 year son that did anything inappropriate with a 3 YEAR OLD for his sexual curiousity I would snap. Someone with thoughts of experimenting sex on a BABY when they are old enough to get a learners permit for driving is SICK. Jamar Jr could have grown up to be another John Wayne Gacy or John Couey. Both rapists and murders.

There are signs in childhood and often in the bible there are many sacrifices even of their own children. Preach what you want. It is what it is. Jamar Jr should had though about his actions before he “humped” his baby sister. Gross just saying it. He ruined his life and an entire family!

Lakisha on August 14, 2010 at 5:31 pm

IT IS VERY SAD TO KNOW THAT PPL ARE REALLY AGREEING WITH THE FACT THAT HE KILLED HIS SON!!!! HOW SICK ARE YOU!!! I UNDERSTAND HIM BEATING HIM AND EMBARRASSING HIM! AFTER THAT HE SHOULD OF MADE HIM APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY NOT PUT A GUN UP TO HIS OWN SONS HEAD & PULL THE DAMN TRIGGER! THEN DRIVE OFF CALM & COOL & THEN CALL THE WRONG PERSON SAYING “I HANDLED THAT” WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PPL??! I GUESS SINCE THIS IS A BLACK BOY HE SHOULD OF DIED BUT IF IT WAS A LITTLE WHITE BOY OPINIONS WOULD BE DIFFERENT! & DEBBIE YOU SHOULD BE ASHAME OF YOURSELF!! TRYING TO WIN A CASE IS FINE BUT MAKE SOME SENSE! SO I GUESS ITS FINE TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN NOW WHEN THEY MAKE A MISTAKE?! & ALL THIS “I’VE BEEN RAPPED BEFORE” SO WHAT! SHE WASNT RAPPED!! THERES PROOF PPL READ BEFORE YOU GIVE A OPINION! THIS MURDER WAS SET UP! THEY BOTH KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING & THAT MAN KILLED HIS SON BECAUSE OF LUST! STEALING IS ALSO A CRIME…SO IF YOUR CHILD STEALS SOMETHING ITS YOUR JOB TO TAKE THEM IN A YARD BUTT NAKED & MURDER THEM RIGHT??? A 3YR OLD DOESNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SEX! SHE DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT HER VAGINA IS! SO WE TAKE HER WORD?? I FEEL BAD THAT SHE HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE HER MOTHER IS SICK & HER DADDY IS SICK & WHEN SHE GROWS UP SHE’S GOING TO WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED (BECAUSE IM SURE SHES NOT GOING TO REMEMBER) SO THEIR GOING TO HAVE TO TELL HER THAT HER FATHER KILLED HER BROTHER BECAUSE HER MOTHER ACCUSED HIM OF RAPPING HER!!& SHES GOING TO GROW UP THINKING THAT ITS HER FAULT! ALL OF YOU WHO BELIEVE HE WAS RIGHT TO KILL HIS SON SHOULD BE ASHAME!! THE WORLD IS SICK!!

Amanda Mork on August 12, 2010 at 3:32 pm

How about asking yourself how sick was the little boy for molesting his 3 year old baby sister, he took advantage of her he was way bigger she couldn’t protect herself. And I don’t believe that he said that b/c when the police came they didn’t say that what the said at first was that he called her phone after it was over. Jamar’s mother didn’t even really take responsibility for her child’s action. And, race is not even an issue and how low do you have to be to even suggest that. Also, a mistake is not the same as committing a CRIME!! And for you to have been raped I don’t see how you can sit there and feel this way this is a 3 YEAR OLD BABY!!! HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND! I BELIEVE YOU NEED COUNSELING BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT WRAPPED TO TIGHT!! And you’re right a 3 year old isn’t going to know anything about sex but if she has a 15 year old molesting freak around who is touching and humping on her and showing her his penis it does make sense she will know about it. And I honestly pray that you don’t have children b/c it’s obvious that if someone rapes your baby you’re just going to say SO WHAT!! There is no protection with you, what he did was wrong to kill his son but he in no way should have received a sentence like that.

Sara on August 12, 2010 at 5:48 pm

Sara, enough, stop please. He did not rape the 3 year old. The Dr.’s exam showed no signs of penetration. If there was some molestation, he needed help and especially his father’s help. You are demented. I’d have to kick you a@# if I met you anywhere.

bee on August 12, 2010 at 8:53 pm

And trust and believe you would lose that fight!!! North Carolina is where I’m at and regardless if there wasn’t any physical evidence or not he admitted to it so you telling me it’s okay for a 15 to show a three year old baby his penis, rub on her, kiss her in the mouth, who knows what all this boy done to that baby. I’m not condoning what the father did but I do understand, this just wasn’t some random stranger this was his baby sister and for you not to have an emotional understanding about that really shows the kind of person you are. And no one knows for sure how long this has been happening especially for her to be acting out like that. Please save it cause it still doesn’t make sense…b/c I’m sure if you had a 3 year old child and she was telling you what a 15 year old did to her and you took her to the hospital and the ER doctor couldn’t find any proof I guess you would assume your child was lying….what a mother you would be

sara on August 12, 2010 at 11:06 pm

The bottom line is that that fool Jamar Sr. should have been beaten and shot in the head like he did his 15 year old son. I have no respect or tolerance for adults who commit acts of violence on children. The law should have handled the matter of the molestation or rape on the 15 year-old’s part. No real parent handles anything like that. He said he “loved his son”? I think not. Jamar Jr. was his child just like the 3 year old and needed his father’s love, understanding and help. Debbie, your article is offensive and should have never been written. You are ridiculous. That child did not deserve to have his life taken by his own father in that way. I am so glad he got the sentence he got but wish he would have gotten worse. All I can say is that he’d better be glad I wasn’t a juror. He is ignorant, cold-hearted and evil. That girlfriend should have did some time too because she undercover encouraged his actions. I have some choice words for both of them and you too.

bee on August 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm

I don’t know who this Debbie is or where she got her degree fro but her article shocked and saddened me. Yes what this young boy did was wrong…terribly wrong…but again..he was a KID. Debbie wants to come off as the voice of reason in this chaotic mess! Where did her statistics come from where she assumes that these kids are doomed to repeat this behavior over and over again? So in her world every juvenile who committs a sexual offense should be taken out and executed for the greater good? No redeemtion is possible? OMG I hope she is wrong…no I know she is wrong. My 14-year-old was arrested and charged with inappropriate sexual contact with my grandchild. I reported the action when he came to me. I watched as he was handcuffed and led away to juvenile detention. Never once did I think about dragging him outside and stripping him naked and shooting him in his head. While my grandchild’s parents were angry and hurt…neither did they. They wanted my son to get help. Which he did. He is now attending school and church and doing well. With counseling, encouragement, love and the Lord’s help we have made it thru this. Not been easy I won’t say that but it has been worth it. My grandchild was in therapy as well and we are working on rebuilding our relationship as a family. So Debbie…there is hope for these KIDS! Given a chance they can come thru and be a responsible member of society. Sorry but Jamar Sr became judge, jury and executioner and you are making is sound like it’s okay. Poor Jamar what could he have acccomplished if he had a family to stand behind him! Take a trip to one of the residential treatment centers for juvenile sex offenders and then come back with a better more well informed article!!!

nana on August 12, 2010 at 10:54 pm

According to my bible, Vegeance is mine, so says the Lord meaning that no man has the right to avenge. To say that Jamar Sr. killed his son to protect his daighter is simply a fallacy. If his son did indeed rape his sister which has not been proven, the damage was already done. Killing his son did not change anything or protect his daughter of something that could not be undone. So now look, he has been sentenced to many years in prison so how can he protect his daughter from anyone now? I do believe he intended to kill his son when went over his house. He wanted his son to keep giving him details to pump him up so he would feel further justified. That is so very obvious to me.

Regina on August 13, 2010 at 12:31 pm

OMG guys this is a sad case I have to say. I still can’t imagine killing my own child no matter what he or she did. I am a mother whose son killed my other son. I still love my son although hurt by the crime he committed. I still visit him in jail as I mourn the lost of my other son. Good grief what jamar jr did was sickening but good God how do all you self proclaimed psychiatrist know the boy could not be helped. We are living in a world of sick people. Maybe cps should step in and check up on some of you parents before your child does something awful! He is a child killer so he better watch his back in prison. They gonna get him!

Judith on August 13, 2010 at 3:28 pm

When sr. took his baby’s life all rights were taken away from everyone to find out the truth from jr.’s perspective. It was questioned in court as to “why” Karonne tried to get sr. to file for disability at his work when he is not disabled in any way.. They asked her “what disability”, she said “mental”. They asked ,”has he ever been diagnosed for a mental problem”, she said “NO”! She also got sr to take life insurance out on jr. only..not the little girl.The day after jr was shot she called the insurance company looking for the money!
Now there will always be questions about this case but if jr would have lived maybe there would be more answers if he had the chance to be questioned like his father had the chance.

me on August 13, 2010 at 5:44 pm

how u are retarded… he derserved life or the death penalty… hes lucky…. he killed his own son and u feel sorry for him? be a real parent, and sit down with the kid, and seek professional help for him… sr deserves to have the exact same thing happen to him of what he did to his son…

dan on August 13, 2010 at 11:22 pm

oh and if he snappe,d why didnt he snap when he go tthe pnone call or text or whatever? why did he talk calmly all night with the family, go to the bathroom, then kill him? he prob went to bathroom to double think it, and he still said YES>…an dkilled his son….and liek they said, why bring a gun to a situation liek that? a

dan on August 13, 2010 at 11:25 pm

the boy was wrong we know that. the father was wrong. but ask yourself. do you feel the jamar jr had to die. do some of you feel? that it was the right action to take? yes we get mad upset pissoff rage hate anger. these are the feely will deal with. so the got to the point that to kill somone for any reason is wrong.no has the right to take any lifes.for any one to say they can.i feel sorry for you.pinkney sr is right where he need to be. yes i have a 8year old girl. if i did what pinkney sr. did. put me away too. cause i give the right to be a fahter when kill my son.

Brian on August 14, 2010 at 2:37 am

As I have read the responses, I think everyone agrees that the 3 year old is the true victim. It is very sad that no one will ever know what happened because Jamar Jr. was never given a chance to face the authorities. The inappropriate sexual behavior (not to public knowledge), has not been further investigated. I watched the events on television like many of you and I found it strange that the doctor’s were never able to question the 3 year old. Even with the mother present, she refused to let the speak to the little girl. With the ER handling such situations, they would have been able to speak to her, get supporting facts and information in a way that would not further traumatize her. The mother states that she did not want her daughter to constantly talk about it, so what does she talk about in therapy. I believed there was a point in which the father snapped. But I also believe during his tirade, he had some sense of rationalization. No one can say what they would or would not have done because they were not in that PARTICULAR SITUATION. We will never know the type of person Jamar Jr. may have been based on this act. There are many people in this world who have been victims and in turn victimized someone else. Some of those people have been punished, asked for forgiveness from those they hurt, and have become productive members of society. They chose not to hurt or harm again. Jamar Jr. will not have that chance. Ms. Ivey knows the role she played in this tragedy and she has to live with it everyday for the rest of her life. She will have to answer the questions her daughter will eventually have. I pray the Cherry, Pinkney, Ivey, and other families involved will eventually find some sense of peace in their lives.

Tamela on August 14, 2010 at 7:04 am

There is so much more to this than any of us will ever know. As the survivor of years of childhood sexual abuse, I am so torn in my own opinions of this horrible series of injustices that I bounce back and forth in my feelings about the sentence for Mr. Pinkney. At one moment I wish there had been a Pinkney Sr. there for me when I was a baby being molested again and again. In the next moment I agonize over how a father can possibly take the life of his own child regardless of what he thinks that child has done.

I can’t help but recall the story of Amnon and Tamar in 2Samuel, and that makes me even more sorry for the entire family — for the history of anger and dysfunction they obviously endured, for the loss of father/son/brother in that family. Regardless of the truth in this convoluted and sad family tale, I pray that the remaining child will receive the help she will most assuredly need as she matures, whether or not there was sexual abuse.

May they all receive peace and healing.

Rhion on August 14, 2010 at 1:35 pm

In defense of? For those who believe he snapped you really don’t know the meaning of the word. If he snapped he would have shot the boy immediately when (as sr said) he confessed.
definition:done or carried through suddenly or without deliberation- an act or instance of seizing abruptly.

He took the time to beat his son, make him undress and walk him out of the house, down the steps and TELL him to go in the field. Yet he wants folks to think that he didn’t know what he was doing. IMO he should have gotten 1st degree.

The boy humping his sister was absolutely wrong but if he had raped her there certainly would have been unquestionable evidence. She would have had several lacerations not 1 small healing one. As far as her doing the humping motion(according to her mother) I have worked with pre school children for over 35 years and you wouldn’t believe how many I’ve seen humping/masterbating on their cots at nap time, boys and girls. These children were not molested or raped, in studying early childhood development you would learn that this is a natural activity for many children and any dr worth his salt will tell you that. Also a 3yr old who is reporting this would NOT start with a question like what does a boy have between his legs. As far as the little girls mother saying she had a same day appointment for the child at 2pm but could not keep it because of all that happened, why was the child in school that day and why was sr able to reach mother several times between 1:22 and 1:40. She should have been at the dr’s office. The child’s doc was not at all creditable and why would the mother not want the doc’s to talk to the child.

mae on August 14, 2010 at 5:11 pm

Proverbs 22:6 instructs parents to bring up a child by teaching him the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn away from it…That means that the Lord sees children as teachable and that even when they make mistakes, they can be taught right from wrong and grow up to be productive adults. Perhaps Sr. should have used this opportunity to teach his son a lesson that he obviously had not taught him. Not only did he fail his son, but he will subsequently fail his daughter as well. What can he teach her but unforgiveness, anger, and hate? Jamar Jr. did ask for forgiveness before he met his unthinkable fate. That alone should give his family the peace that he is with his father in heaven. I hope and pray that Sr. has enough sense to do the same before he meets his ultimate fate…

KB on August 14, 2010 at 8:09 pm

I’M A MOTHER OF A 13 AND 1YR OLD. AND AS A MOTHER, YES I MAY SNAP IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AT THE HANDS OF MY OLDEST CHILD. BUT AS A MOTHER, YOU DONT EVER WANT TO SEE YOUR CHILD DEAD. I SYMPATHIZE WITH BOTH CHILDREN,BUT HAVE NO MERCY FOR SR. LIKE I SAID AS A MOTHER YOU NEVER WISH DEATH ON YOUR CHILD, MAYBE HE DID CARE ALITTLE MORE FOR HIS DAUGHTER. THE FACT THAT HE PULLED THAT TRIGGER POINTS TO THAT.
JR WAS WRONG FOR DRY HUMPING HIS SISTER, THATS TERRIBLE. BUT, SR. WAS EVEN MORE WRONG FOR TAKING JUSTICE INTO HIS OWN HANDS.
AND @ DEBBIE WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE AS AND ADULT. HE WAS 15YRS OLD AND STILL HAD GROWING UP TO DO, AND HE SHOWED HE WAS GROWING BY CONFESSING TO HIS WRONG DOINGS. THIS IS THE FIRST AND LAST TIME I’LL READ ANY OF YOUR ARTICLES!!!!! GOD BLESS BOTH FAMILIES!

DASHIKII on August 14, 2010 at 11:32 pm

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