March 1, 2010, - 11:15 am

More Evidence of Palestinians, King Suleyman . . . Oh Wait, It’s the Jews & King Solomon

By Debbie Schlussel

More and more archeological evidence piles up every year, betraying the Palestinians’ specious claim that they ever had anything to do with Jerusalem or what is now the State of Israel.  Each time, the excavations find more Jewish construction and objects dating back thousands of years, but not a single item or structure from the so-called “Palestinians” or any other Arabic or Muslim community.  Although I’m jaded and not surprised by a single propaganda tactic or lie put forth by the artificially-created “Palestinians” and their Muslim allies, they have yet to point to a single ancient discovery that establishes any claim to these areas.  And all of this is, of course, on top of the Jewish Temple, of which the Western Wall remains.  It always was a Jewish site and has been there since ancient times.

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Archeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar & Ancient Jewish Walls of Jerusalem

The latest is the recently excavated fortifications of Jerusalem, which date back 3,000 years to the time of King Solomon and King David and support the Biblical narrative about the area. Pottery found in the area bears ancient Hebrew, NOT Arabic. Ditto for royal seals bearing Hebrew names. It also answers that anti-Israel ignoramus, Pat Condell, and his baloney claims that Jerusalem was never a Jewish city.

“It’s the most significant construction we have from First Temple days in Israel,” says archeologist Eilat Mazar.

Ancient stone fortifications that were recently uncovered outside the walls of Jerusalem’s Old City date back some 3,000 years to the time of King Solomon and support the biblical narrative about the era, according to archeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar, who spoke to a group of reporters at the site on Monday.

If the age of the wall is correct, the finding would be an indication that Jerusalem was home to a strong central government that had the resources and manpower needed to build massive fortifications in the 10th century BCE.

“It’s the most significant construction we have from First Temple days in Israel,” Mazar said on Monday. “And it means that at that time, the 10th century, in Jerusalem there was a regime capable of carrying out such construction.”

The section of the city wall revealed, which is 70 meters long and six meters high, is located in the area known as the Ophel, between the City of David and the southern wall of the Temple Mount.

Next, the brazen Palestinians will tell us it was really King “Dawud.”

An inner gatehouse for access into the royal quarter of the city was uncovered in the city wall complex, along with a royal structure adjacent to the gatehouse and a corner tower that overlooks a substantial section of the adjacent Kidron Valley. . . .

“The city wall that has been uncovered testifies to a ruling presence,” Mazar said. “Its strength and form of construction indicate a high level of engineering, and the city wall is at the eastern end of the Ophel area in a high, strategic location atop the western slope of the Kidron Valley.

A comparison of this latest finding with city walls and gates from the period of the First Temple, as well as pottery found at the site, enable us to postulate, with a great degree of assurance, that the wall that has been revealed is that which was built by King Solomon in Jerusalem in the latter part of the tenth century BCE,” she continued.

“This is the first time that a structure from that time has been found that may correlate with written descriptions of Solomon’s building in Jerusalem,” she added.

“The Bible tells us that Solomon built – with the assistance of the Phoenicians, who were outstanding builders – the Temple and his new palace and surrounded them with a city, most probably connected to the more ancient wall of the City of David.”

Mazar specifically cited the third chapter of Kings I, which includes the words “until he [Solomon] had made an end of building his own house, and the house of the Lord, and the wall of Jerusalem round about.” . . .

Pottery shards discovered within the fill of the lowest floor of the royal building near the gatehouse also testify to the 10th-century-BCE dating of the complex. On the floor, excavators found remnants of large storage jars that survived destruction by fire and that were found in rooms that apparently served as storage areas on the ground floor of the building. One of the jars shows a partial inscription in ancient Hebrew indicating it belonged to a high-level government official.

“The jars that were found are the largest ever found in Jerusalem,” said Mazar, adding that “the inscription found on one of them shows that it belonged to a government official, apparently the person responsible for overseeing the provision of baked goods to the royal court.”

In addition to the pottery shards, cult figurines were also found in the area, as were seal impressions on jar handles with the word “to the king,” testifying to their usage within the monarchy. Also found were seal impressions (bullae) with Hebrew names, indicating the royal nature of the structure.

Jerusalem . . . the City of David has always been Jewish and it always should be. The “Palestinians”–or Muslims of any kind had NOTHING to do with it.

Read my column, “Whose Jerusalem?” for more on the facts regarding Muslim claims to Jerusalem.




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58 Responses

Logic and facts are irrelevant to those who want to wipe out the Jews or the Jewish connection to Israel. If God came down from heaven and declared it in unequivocal terms it would still not satisfy the haters and doubters. Rationalism is on the wane and we are descending forward into the realms of mystical, irrational beliefs that are untethered to any objective reality. One day, we will be like Charlton Heston at the end of the first Planet of the Apes movie, who cried out bitterly when he saw the destroyed head of the statue of liberty and realized that we had destroyed our own world. cried o

Ed on March 1, 2010 at 11:25 am

Given that real written Arabic was not existent until after 700 AD, a find would be unlikely. BTW, with regards to that, Muslim scholars regularly exaggerate the age of written Arabic and often claim title to documents written in Assyrian (Christians ), etc.

pat on March 1, 2010 at 11:58 am

Personally, I would just give the Palestinians 1/4 of Jerusalem in the East and tell them to rename it and let the rest of Jerusalem be the capital of Israel.

Norman Blitzer on March 1, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    A good thing you aren’t in charge of such things then, eh?

    Doda McCheesle on March 2, 2010 at 10:19 am

Has scripture ever told us something that was not true? Were the scribes lying? Were the old testament prophets lying? Does the old testament not describe events that have already taken place and that were predicted in advance by the Lord’s hand picked prophets? Is the book of Revelation the only prophecy in scripture that will not come true? i.e. Never happen? Who thinks that scripture is fiction?
I used too, until one day 5 years ago I saw the light, just as Saul/Paul did in scripture. Do you think old T books are fiction, and the new T books are fact, or is the old true and the new fiction?

Who cares? on March 1, 2010 at 12:31 pm

Blitzer–yes YOU would. As if they have a claim on it, and as if that would do anything to make peace.

Many Biblicists look for the reconstruction of the Temple to occur in the near future–me included. There is much Bible prophecy which declares the fact of this. There is also a movement to restore all the elements of the Levitical priesthood and sacrificial system which once ministered there–and a Temple Faithful movemment–who have the cornerstone ready to go and a plan. What will it take?

Many of us look for the outcome of the Gog-Magog invasion war which will be put down by God to be the impetus–something that shuts down the muslims for a while. It is now just over 40 years since Israel came to have the Temple mount under its authority–despite it’s sharing arrangements. WHEN we see this happening, get ready because all hell will break loose for a while until Messiah ben David comes (AKA–Jesus Christ).

Scoffers will scoff, but no matter. This is an exciting time to be alive to and to stand with the people of Israel.

BB on March 1, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Jesus was not of the House of David.

    skzion on March 1, 2010 at 7:00 pm

The history of Jerusalem is very clear. It was in the hands of the Byzantine Empire during Mohamed’s entire life span. By definition, there was no Muslim presence in Jerusalem until 6 years after Mohamed’s death. Their claims to it are 100% fiction.

Surah 17 (Mohamed’s “midnight ride to heaven”) is used to stake that claim despite the fact that Jerusalem in not defined as the city to which he traveled. Jerusalem in never mentioned in the qur’an, and only in hadiths in terms of it’s ties to Judaism. It’s all made up.

stevecanuck on March 1, 2010 at 12:58 pm

Without argument as to the identity of the Messiah, when He comes, that will be the end of all wishful wannabe religions such as Islam. Dust in the wind. Gone, never to infest any country on the globe. Then there will be a Muslim-free Saudi Arabia/Iran/Iraq/???, and if that doesn’t have you looking for the Messiah…

Douglas Q on March 1, 2010 at 1:17 pm

They had better start documenting and protecting this stuff real fast. The Islamic Waqf (I think that is the Islamic religious authority) has been busy digging up, removing and destroying any archaeological evidence providing a Jewish connection to Jerusalem.

I_AM_ME on March 1, 2010 at 1:36 pm

You can wait all you like, there will never be a second coming because he doesn’t exist, or at least the real person died 2000 years ago.

Nak on March 1, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Never say never! The Man (a “person” is already dead) died 2000 yrs ago, but his spirit lives on. So are you saying the prophecies detailed in the book of Revelations will never happen? Never say never! When has scripture lied to us?

    Who cares? on March 1, 2010 at 6:28 pm

      John the Revelator knew his own religion. He knew the Jewish Scripture and Extra-Biblical literature because he was a Jew. All Jewish men were literate so they could read from the Torah in the synagogues. Most of his work is derived from those sources including what we call the Apochrypha. It also derives from the wisdom that eventually became the Talmud. John relied heavily on Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Joel, Daniel and of course Zechariah.
      So you’re right, never say never but that applies to events yet to come, not a person who has already left.

      mk750 on March 2, 2010 at 6:09 pm

Hey Debbie,

Trying to justify Israel and the Jewish state to Arabs and the throngs of Islamic loving Dhimmis world wide is an exercise in futility. They will never accept Jews in theri midst.

PeaceAtAllCosts on March 1, 2010 at 3:58 pm

Fascists, Commies and totalitarians in general always rewrite their history. It is part of the myth that justifies their overall repression and creates mass acceptance of the misery of their societies. From Mussolini “reviving the glory of Rome”, Stalin rewriting the history of technological innovation, the Great Russian Motherland, Hitler, etc., this is what they do. The Palestinians are in this tradition.

Little Al on March 1, 2010 at 6:09 pm

I think someone should inform the United Nations about this discovery…

Bill on March 1, 2010 at 7:22 pm

Don’t ever give any bit of Jerusalem to those predatoric animals in human form, you won’t find peace with any of them nearby. Muslims claim all Suleyman, Daud (David), up to Ibrahim (Abraham) are Muslims. They think present day Muslim rituals was conducted also by Abraham, Moses etcs. Since all of the prophets were muslims according to them, that’s why they claim Jerusalem is theirs. Well, if life is that easy, just claiming what you believe is your ownership and all should obey you. This line of thought can only come from unthinking idiots. Since you can’t reason with idiots, it’s useless to negotiate with them. And since they only understand language of fear and violence, therefore speak that language to them. Since they made their claim based on blind belief, therefore their blind belief must be struck down. One of their blind belief is believing in the sacreness of their Mecca. Destroy it, make it desolated for a long long time to come. Destroying all their idols (their blind belief, their sacred cities, anything they idolize) will demoralize them and might even help wake them up. It’s calculated destruction, not emotional rampage based on revenge or religious superiority. It’ll help bring more peace, just like destroying Nazi was neccesary to prevent more destruction. Think about it, dear Mossad.

SpicaChang on March 1, 2010 at 10:43 pm

Muslims or Palestinians or whatever they’re called should be barred from living anywhere near Jerusalem, Gaza, the West Bank or in Israel proper. The only real home for the Palestinians is Jordan which should be the home of the Palestinian people but was stolen from them by the current rulers. Until then every Arab or Dhimmis falsification of the truth should be met with an equally fierce and unrelenting in your face type of response from the Israeli’s as quickly as possible.

kenny komodo on March 2, 2010 at 1:20 am

I hope Israel retakes the Temple Mount from the islamics and rebuilds the temple.

Sam Deakins on March 2, 2010 at 6:59 am

As the evidence continues piling, The apoligists have only trialing, The Israelis just keep on smiling, The donkey people take lessons from vile-ing.

Breaking News on March 2, 2010 at 8:09 am

Note that now the Jordanians are even trying to claim the Dead Sea Scrolls as their own. Can you imagine???

Lisa on March 2, 2010 at 9:23 am

But you ARE indeed, an actual ignoramus.

The word “Jew”, from the HEBREW “Yehudi”, from “Yehuda”- the tribe/descendants of JUDAH, SON OF JACOB, AKA “ISRAEL”, B’NAI YISRAEL, “Children of Israel”. Jacob, of course, being the GRANDSON of ABRAHAM HA’IVRI (Abraham the HEBREW), “Ivri” meaning “from the other side”- describing either the river across from which Abraham was born, or the fact that his religious beliefs were completely different “on the other side” of his neighbors (i.e. One true God vs. many gods/idols).

Doda McCheesle on March 2, 2010 at 10:24 am

Actual jews are not hebrews on March 2, 2010 at 5:45 am

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Illustrated reply.

Shy Guy on March 2, 2010 at 11:50 am

When has scripture lied to us you ask? Hmmm, well there is the part that says we are descended from 2 people and then from only 8 after a fictional global flood. There’s some good parts where Jesus lied to his apostles by saying some of them will not die before they see his second coming, there are tons more of good dumb stuff like that in this man made book but there isn’t enough room here to write them all down. Oh how bout the time when Moses committed genocide on gods order? Christianiy and Judaism are no more peaceful then Islam.

Nak on March 2, 2010 at 3:38 pm

INTERESTING REMARKS.FOR THOUGHS OF YOU WHO ARE STILL AWAKE THIS LADYS FIND IS NO SUPPRIZE AND NOT AN ACCIDENT LOOK AT THE TIMEING WAIT TILL YOU SEE WHAT ELSE WILL BE DISCOVERED?ITS GETTING CLOSE TO WHAT YEHASUHA WAS POINTING TO.IF YOU CAN DECERN BIBLICAL PROFFICEY DECERN THIS DAVID IN FAR COUNTRY WHOS LAND RIVERS CUT THROUGH WIDE ON BOTH HANDS A NATION MOST MIGHTY AND INVICABLE FROM ITS BEGGINGS AND ONWARD UNTILL THE TIME OF THE GENTILES IS FULLFILLED.DAVID TO RAISE JACOB RASOMED FROM ONE STRONGER THAN HE.REMEMBER THE PROMMISE BY YAH TO DAVID AND JONATHAN HOW HE NEW HIS DEATH WAS IMINATE AND THAT HE WOULD LIVE AGAIN IN THE LATTER DAYS.TELL ME WHO AND WHAT THIS IS THAT THEY WILL BE GATHERED FROM THE N. S.E. W. AND IF OLD TEST IS VOID WHY DOES IT TALK ABOUT THIS?HOW COME THE BIBLE SAYS THE SAINTS ARE STILL ON THE EARTH GATHERED BY THE ANGELS.HOW CAN DAVID BE A LEADER AND COMANDER TO AN ARMY IN THE VISSION OF DRY BONES IF HES DEAD AND BURRIED WHICH WILL RESTORE THE NEW TEMPLE?PROFF MUST BE DECERNED.FAITH REQUIRES NO PROOF.DAVID SLEEPING IN WOODS WITH NONE TO MAKE ME AFRAID.THANKS YOUR FELLOW SERVANT IN TRIBULATION [DAVID)

DAVID on March 2, 2010 at 5:03 pm

IF YOU REALLY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ITS NOT ABOUT RACE JEW OR NON JEW ITS ABOUT THE SALVATION OF MANKIND.I WOULD SUPPOSE YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE WOURLD AND THINK THAT THEIRS NOTHING WE NEED TO BE SAVED FROM.IF YOU KNEW WHAT ZION REALLY MEANS YOU WOULD NOT SAY THAT,IAM A BELIEVER AND A ZIONIST YOU CANNOT BE A CHRISTIAN AND REJECT ZION NOR CAN YOU BE A ZIONIST JEW AND REJECT CHRIST ANYTHING ELSE IS FALSE SIMPLY PUT IF YOU ARE ANTI ZION YOU ARE ANTI CHRIST OF WHICH THE SCRIPTURES WILL TELL YOU OF WHOM SHALL PASS FINAL JUDGEMENT ON WHAT THIS EARTH HAS BEEN MADE INTO BY THE HANDS OF MAN .WE HAVE HAD FREE RAIN FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS ZIONISM WILL BE THE END OF WHAT WE DO TO LIFE AND A NEW BEGGING SO THOUS OF YOU WILL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG HOLY AND UNHOLY IAM GLAD TO BE IN THE FIRST RESSERECTION BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS THOSE WHO WILL STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE AFTER THE DIFFEREINCE DAVID

DAVID on March 2, 2010 at 5:49 pm

I see I need to repeat my last post’s link.

Hi David! Christ-rejecting, Torah observant, lower-case typing, Zionist Jew here. Bite me!

Shy Guy on March 2, 2010 at 11:39 pm

The spoils go to the victor.
If you really thinks it’s yours take it. No one race or people have an inherit right to any piece of geography. If you can’t keep a hold of it you don’t don’t get to keep it.
Personally I saw we turn the whole area into one big sheet of glass.
Pete

Pete Bone on March 3, 2010 at 1:27 am

ref shy guy .well for thoses of you with intelect shy guy gives the very example of attitude of tora observant jews who screamed crucify crucify.iteresting enough the same thinking which broke the levitical and mosh covenants and fulfilled the 70ad destruction of jerusalem.i suppose that shy guy dosent believe that the toras proffetic voice of iseral being a boilling hissingpot to the nations is even happening.or how no nation shall be able to lift the curse on jerusalem. or that yah will bring back a reminate from the n.s.e.w.greater than the exodus which is not fullfilled yet or acording to scriptures or david would be there.i guess the proffit isiah isnt in your torah observations anyways i dont need to bite you because you chew your own tounge and bite yourself.the messiah himself was for zion the reestablishment of the citedel of DAVID SO WHY ARE YOU DIVIDED FROM WHAT IS FOR THE ZIONISTS ANYWAYS I TYPED IN UNDERSCORE JUST FOR YOU. DOES ANYONE NOTICE THAT people who dont have a clue have to attack something trivial as my typing in caps you have the rite to you opinion and also your judgement thanks so do i DAVID

DAVID on March 3, 2010 at 6:02 am

DAVID on March 3, 2010 at 6:02 am
ref shy guy .well for thoses of you with intelect shy guy gives the very example of attitude of tora observant jews who screamed crucify crucify.

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A pulp fiction blood libel. The tales therein are a farce from cover to cover.

iteresting enough the same thinking which broke the levitical and mosh covenants and fulfilled the 70ad destruction of jerusalem.i suppose that shy guy dosent believe that the toras proffetic voice of iseral being a boilling hissingpot to the nations is even happening.or how no nation shall be able to lift the curse on jerusalem. or that yah will bring back a reminate from the n.s.e.w.greater than the exodus which is not fullfilled yet or acording to scriptures or david would be there.i guess the proffit isiah isnt in your torah observations anyways i dont need to bite you because you chew your own tounge and bite yourself.the messiah himself was for zion the reestablishment of the citedel of DAVID SO WHY ARE YOU DIVIDED FROM WHAT IS FOR THE ZIONISTS ANYWAYS I TYPED IN UNDERSCORE JUST FOR YOU. DOES ANYONE NOTICE THAT people who dont have a clue have to attack something trivial as my typing in caps you have the rite to you opinion and also your judgement thanks so do i DAVID

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The ramblings of yet another jesus freak. There is no mention of any jesus anywhere throughout the Torah, Prophets and Scriptures, except for generic references in Deuteronomy 13:1-6 and Deuteronomy 18:20-22.

What? You want to pull the Isaiah 53 “suffering servant” routine with me? Go ahead.

Shy Guy on March 3, 2010 at 6:58 am

awell another endless ramblings of jesus hating suposed jew sounds a bit like the many athiests i know.sadly enough adolf hittler had the same idea makes me wonder of what you contribute. first thing i never used the term jesus which is only a translational greek change and ok i’ll use the name imanuel which is mentioned in isiah.and in your behalf i will adress yes there is alot of hypercritical jesus freaks whom have little understanding of torah text and do a lot of harm but there is a lot of stiff necked overzelous messiah hating jews that give hard searching resonable humble jews a bad name. the nice thing is i am able to decern the difference between both without lumping everyone into my own sterotypical catigory to serve only my own self rightious views such as yourself.and i thank yahweh and the high priest malkesidek[imanuel] alias jesus.for the fact that not only the jews but the rest of the 11 other tribes of iseral that are still scattererd amongst the nations who also soon will return to zion and glorify a final rightous kingdom and throne of a true creator.but once again i preseive that you believe that thats not written iether in the scrolls of isiah daniel and jerimiah.

DAVID on March 3, 2010 at 2:38 pm

Very deep. Thanks for that!

Shy Guy on March 3, 2010 at 3:06 pm

ok i’ll use the name imanuel which is mentioned in isiah.

DAVID on March 3, 2010 at 2:38 pm

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Still no mention of any pagan deity you worship in Tanach. The name Emanuel in Isaiah 23 has nothing to do with the character known as jesus. Your name game doesn’t make your claim any more legitimate. And while we’re at it, there’s no virgin there, either.

Shy Guy on March 3, 2010 at 3:25 pm

shy guy a hint of humanity i will be as honest as i can if you believe a virgin pure birth is impossable than go out to you back yard and drop the sands of the desert for a million years and make me a blade of grass then take a good look at the geese and the forests andrivers and universe.virgin birth and sacriffice for others seems just like the works of the same god who helped the isrelites.who could not argue that it is man and his own subscriptions to kaos and greed rhat makes us condemable jew christian pagen athiest or others muslum what makes us miserable is are own lack of humanity and conditional love yes thats right conditional love love has conditions you treat me with respect and i treat you with respect and both of us will gain something valueable.none of us has all the message i am not peagan nor do i worship pagon gods.lets resolve this i would love to serve the kingdom of the truth i would love to sit at a table of noble people my heart mind and soul prays for the end of suffering i have no contest with a true god its us that are wrong yes all of us.maybe will both be at the temple and both of us corrected the worse scinerio is that a suicide bomber gets us all and the terrorist take it all and we serve them .we as humans better unite in the name of yah are god and try to rebuild every scrap of humanity and virtuous nobility good luke shy guy your friend sleeping and camping in the woods DAVID

DAVID on March 3, 2010 at 5:34 pm

1. I never said a virgin birth is physically impossible. I said that Isaiah 23 makes no mention of a virgin. I’ll further add that there’s no need to believe the virgin fable in the NT any more than all the mythological virgin mother fables which were already popular at the time with the pagans of Europe and elsewhere.

2. If you believe in a man-god, as jesus is described to be in the NT, then you are no different than many of the pagans who were around 2000 years ago and before. The Torah legal term for someone with usch beliefs is an “Oved Avodah Zarah”, literally a “worshipper of a foreign/strange deity”, inaccurately known as an “idol worshipper” by many. Belief in a man-god deity is a violation of the 2nd Commandment, among other Torah transgressions, both for Jew and gentile.

3. I have no problem uniting with any one of any faith in common goals, as long as there are no spiritual strings attached.

Shy Guy on March 4, 2010 at 12:49 am

ok shy guy lets go at it again do you believe that the torah proffets were anoited by yah weh and what proof do you have other than belief no different than me believeing that the messiah was the one crucified by the jews at that time and what difference was there in the mixing of roman helenistics and jews at that time. i will give you some credit for the fact that christians calling the christ god has been in error the fact is that the messiah did not say he was god only sent by god to fullfill his will. well thats the same claim that moses isaiah abraham samuel david all made that claim a better way to look at it was god was with them.god was with the messiah.yah delivered elisha enoch why do you believe one account and not another.you are correct pagen beliefs did mix with christianty as well as judeism iam not going to question the virgin birth being in the tora. i believe its written.iam an artist and i recognize artist by their works ive studied the works of both torah and new testement and they both have the same signature on them and to many coralations interwoven at differt times.it dosent lesson my belief in increases it i would ask that you dont reject it for what people says it says
but look at what it says in correlation with torah proffecy i personally dont see the errors but the magnificents. i dont whant to bow my head and pretend that iam in awe of yah i am in awe of yah.what i do in moses name i do to god that sent him what i do in christs name i also do to him that sent him
you,ll reape the reward of you faith and so will.iam ive made bad bets before but ive lived long enough that i would bet my last dollar on yah and he that was crucified with yah against all the wealth in the earth. which also complies with the mosaic covanant and a new covenant of which i place alot of hope in called the davidic covenant the loving kindness to DAVID well asured thanks DAVID shy guy please read pasalms 2,V 6.7.8.9. AND MICAH 5 V 1.2.3.4.

DAVID on March 4, 2010 at 3:54 am

ok shy guy this ones in cap locks for you;ref your quote[isiah 23 makes no mention of a virgin birth]you said 23′ ref isiah chapter 7 verse 14.15.16 for all the readers here it is now weight this with that christian messiah new testement fiction that couldnt be in the old text quote the hebrew torah observing proffet in which shy guy quotes from THEREFOR [YAH WEH ]HIMSELF WILL GIVE YOU A SIGN.BEHOLD;THE VIGIN SHALL CONCEIVE AND BEAR A SON ;AND SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMANUEL.A MAN OF EL GOD CUREDS AND HONEY HE SHALL EAT, THAT HE MAY KNOW TO REFUSE THE EVIL AND CHOOSE THE GOOD.FOR BEFORE THE CHILD SHALL KNOW TO REFUSE THE EVIL AND CHOOSE THE GOOD ,THE LAND YOU DREAD WILL BE FORSAKEN BY BOTH HER KINGS READ THE REST SOUNDS LIKE A HISTORY BOOK NOW

DAVID on March 4, 2010 at 4:33 am

OK SHY GUY NEW TESTEMENT SRIPTURE WRITTEN APROX 600YEARS LATTER BY TORAH OBEDIANT OBSERVANT JEWS MATHEW CHT 1 VERSE 22,23 QUOTE SO ALL THIS WAS DONE THAT IT MIGHT BE FORFILLED WHICH WAS SPOKEN BY YAH WEH THROUGH THE PROFFIT, SAYING.BEHOLD,THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND BEAR A SON,AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMANUEL.WHICH IS TRANSLATED , GOD WITH US

DAVID on March 4, 2010 at 4:48 am

Sorry, no more time to deal with your rantings. Enjoy your cult.

Shy Guy on March 4, 2010 at 1:33 pm

OK, time for just one link for you. This is all you need:

Jesus was not the messiah

Have fun!

Shy Guy on March 4, 2010 at 1:35 pm

OH WELL SHY GUY

DAVID on March 6, 2010 at 5:53 am

Oh well what, David? Can’t deal with the blatant contradictions?

What’s the matter? Can’t handle the truth setting you free?

My sympathies.

Shy Guy on March 6, 2010 at 1:40 pm

oh well this is not for shy guy ;for all the jews non jews christians whom hope in a reasonoble mesianic message of the rebuilding of the temple and the raising of the house of david.which includes what christians have come to know as the rapture and jews as the restoring of zion.the torah and new testiment are speciffic as to one testifies of each other. the return of the jewish state is not the exidus fofilling that part of scripture it fofills the parts of profficey that yah will make juda a boiling hisingpot before the nations and its leaders like a burning fire pan it describes the blindness of the lack of acceptance of the massiah in which shy guy has given a fine example.it also says that juda shall be punished for the bloodshed done to the citiy in which yah had walked . it also describes the destruction of the muslims for hating and trying to destroy iseral for the old hatred. clues to this are that yah will destroy dammascus from being a citiy for ever. including tyre in which they still remain to this day so the middle east is describe in the torah to this fullfilment perfectly look at the news today.the clue to the temple mount is that yah will bring back [virgin iseral] virgin as at the begining and build up the house of david which is lying prostrate.note that it speaks of the bringing back the whole house of iseral not just the tribe of juda with david as there prince and the messiah being the high priest in a different order as malkisedek.this is recorded in the vision of dry bones written after davids death so how can david be a leader and commander to that army if hes dead but also remember that the patriarchs of iseral were seen in jerusalem at christs crucifiction but did not acend with him and as in the end of the pasalms describes them as being on the earth gathered by the angels in the last days and in the vission of dry bones as being in a far off land amungst the gentiles sleeping and camping in the woods with none to make me afraid untill the time of the end to be lead back to jerusalem with yah as there rearguard and vanguard and the true believers being joined to yah in that day.a exodus greater than the exodus from egeypt from the north south east west remember the parable of the figs and the weddingfeast virgins.sorry shy guy yah is not a cult .the earth shall rock to and fro like a drunkin man and knowlege will boom like the rushing of nations sounds pretty acurate for being written by supposed fictionalists over two to three thousand years ago shy guy ,DAVID SLEEPING AND CAMPING IN THE WOODS WITH NONE TO MAKE ME AFFRAID. P.S. SHY GUY IF YOU CANT HEAR YOUR OWN PROFFIT ISIAH HOW CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT WHO SENT HIM?

DAVID on March 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm

THANK YOU DEBBIE FOR THE TIME ON YOUR SITE IAM EXCITED ABOUT MITZARS FIND AS ITOLD MY WIFE THAT IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE IT DID. THEIR IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THE JEWS CLAIM TO JERUSALEM I WOULD NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THE MUSLIM RULE’ IAM NOT A CONSERVITIVE OR A LIBERAL IAM A HUMAN BEING WHO LOVES THE WORD OF YAH. I HAVE HEARD ABOUT EVERYTHING SAID HOW THE FICTIONALISTS WROTE THE TEXT HOW DAVID HAD SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH JONATHAN HOW GOD COMMITED GENOCIDE AND RAPED MARY AND I THINK ITS ALL BUNK BUT ALSO FORTOLD A WORLD APOSTATE.THE TIME IS NEARING WHERE THE WORLD WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE OUT THE MESSAGE WE WILL REAP WHAT WE HAVE SOWN I BELIEVE YOU HAVE LABORED FOR ISERAL AT SACRIFICE TO YOUR SELF AGAINST PEOPLE WHO HAVENT A CLUE REMEMBER THE SACRIFICE THAT RESCUED THE JEWS FROM THE NAZI DEATH CAMPS BY PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY INCLUDING MY FATHER WHO WAS A PBY MEDIC. STAND UP AGAINST THE RETORIC KIDS CARRING NAZI SYMBOLS .THOSE WHOM IGNORE THE PAST ARE DEDICATED TO RELIVE IT WHAT WILL WE THINK WHEN THIS HAPPENS. WILL THE STILL GLORIFY WHAT THEY DONT KNOW. DAVID

DAVID on March 6, 2010 at 3:15 pm

You have avoided dealing the facts. Ask yourself why.

Shy Guy on March 6, 2010 at 3:44 pm

P.S. SHY GUY IF YOU CANT HEAR YOUR OWN PROFFIT ISIAH HOW CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT WHO SENT HIM?

DAVID on March 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm

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Nope. No jesus mentioned by Isaiah anywhere. He would have been disgusted by the thought, as all Israelites have been since the time of the Patriarchs and the founding of the nation of Israel at the Exodus from Egypt and upon G-d’s revelation at Sinai and His giving us his Holy Torah. No jesus anywhere therein.

Waiting for you to refute the video series I linked to. Here it is again:

Jesus was not the messiah

You’ve been barking up the wrong tree.

Shy Guy on March 7, 2010 at 8:01 am

OK SHY GUY I WATCHED YOUR VIDIO BUNK AND IN YOUR BEHALF WITH AN OPEN MIND. NOW I KNOW WHERE YOUR COMING FROM .AND YOU ACCUSE ME OF PLAYING A MESSIAH SHELL GAME? whoa blinded you are go ahead bring in your new messiah and when he stands in the holy place who ought not be there whatch what happens next. by the way dont ask for all the support from the americans in arms technology and sympathy if you are realy a represenative for the whole as i would never move towards a common goal without a spiritual conection.the cases made in your the jews are holyer than art and nobody else understands what they read video is as deceptive bunk and junk this attitude is well described by the proffets coming from the jews at the last days . quote yah weh (you are ahard nose stiff necked people who have continually provoked me to anger} yah weh also describes that i will utterly reject them and not have pitty on them no more . and i will scatter them amungst the nation and deliver them to thier enemys except for a small reminate that i will bring back in the last day only for davids sake. i know jews that i love and they are much different than you you represent the very reason iseral has sufferd so much scince the 500bc captivity and i will bet you have never endured the trouble that you ancestors endured during the holicost.your testimony is no different than an athiest.you have only made my belief in the messiah that was crucified by the jews more evident and stronger scincerely david from the house of david sleeping and camping in the woods soon to lift a banner to iseral saying to whoa whoa whoa beware jews of shy guys testimony .

DAVID on March 7, 2010 at 4:51 pm

Hi Debbie,

I have to say that I think your article is angry, and sadly misinformed through human judgement. I agree with some of the comments above. Whether Palestinian or Jew, Greek or Roman, the Bible says there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. And I can’t say I have the impetus to “judge” as many here angrily do; but I can say that Jesus WILL return (and yes someone that died and rose again, who is seated at the right hand of God CAN return and WILL). And He will come with a sword and God’s wrath won’t be water (the flood) but fire. Those that deny Christ will live in deception and horror under the antichrist and will at this time be given the chance to come to Christ. Otherwise hell and damnation will be their fate.

If you really think accusing a race (any race) of living in a country they have always understood as their home (whether it is right or wrong), then you need to read the Bible and talk to God about it, because the issue is not country or land, they mean nothing!

God has hardened the hearts of Palestinians (muslim Palestinians) to become the enemy of Jews (non-Christian Jews). A Christian Palestinian and a Christian Jew are brothers in Christ and are not enemies but brothers and sisters in Christ. But without Christ they are no different from Greeks hating Macedonians or Australians hating Aboriginals. Hate to God is like murder no matter where it comes from.

The story of the Jews and their disobedience to God is not a new one, yet God continues to call them to follow Him and they still stubbornly ignore Him by denying His son, practising rituals of culture and tradition and missing the entire point of the sacrifice of Christ (as do all unbelievers).

I think that writing angrily about God’s plan, serves noone. Instead, I would encourage you and your readers to look to Christ. The more of us that love one another in Christ, the more chance we have of realising that everything in this world, land, country, territory, border, river, possession means nothing.

The Bible says this world will pass away, and in the end a Jew that denies Christ will have the same fate as a Palestinian that denies Christ, and they will both have the same fate as an Anglo-saxan that denies Christ.

The Gospel of Christ is all that matters. That is what must be talked about.

gina on March 8, 2010 at 8:36 am

Gina, your cult is fiction.

And your jesus is – well – to quote Monty Python:

“He’s not pinin’! He’s passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! He’s expired and gone to meet his maker! He’s a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed him to the perch he’d be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He’s off the twig! He’s kicked the bucket, he’s shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!”

Here’s why:

Did the disciples die for a lie?

We Jews are not your brothers or sisters in any aspect, certainly not in your pagan worship of a man-god. What your “bible” says is about as concerning to us Jews as what JK Rowling writes in her Potter sequels, which make no less sense and are much more fun, by the way.

Shy Guy on March 8, 2010 at 10:40 am

gina iam your brother and my wife is your sister forget shy guy hes not a jew just thinks hes one . shy guy wont accept that the jews are only one tribe of iseral and the west maybe related to the other 12 tribes.if were all just cult members to him who believe in the messiah whom was crucified ( alias yehasuha , jesus , imanuel, all translational names. be glad for when they persicute us for so did they do to the profets.but they dont talk about that in their either. yah no different than the muslims calling us all heathens is it . yet they will accept billions upon billions of our taxpayer dollars for the defence of iseral every year.from amilitary stand point its not a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you. well anyways well written gina david sleeping and camping in the woods

DAVID on March 8, 2010 at 2:15 pm

Oh! A crackpot “Josephite” or “Ephraimite”, are you, DAVID?

Still can’t respond logically to even a single one of the contradictions pointed out to you in the videos I linked to.

What was it that Paul said? Oh yeh……

“All right, then; I did not make myself a burden to you, but, trickster that I am, I caught you by trickery.”
– 2 Corinthians 12:16

What a low-life “religion”, based on a foundation of lies.

Shy Guy on March 8, 2010 at 3:23 pm

DO YOU KNOW WHAT A BIGOUT IS SHY GUY YOU KNOW I WORKED MY ASS OFF FOR A SUPPOSED JEW LIKE YOU FOR IO YEARS AND ALL I GOT OUT OF IT WAS HOW GREAT HE WAS AND CHOSIN AND GODS ONLY PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HIM WERE ALL DOUMB IDIOTS AND STUPID PEO PLE WHOM CANT UNDERSTAND RESONING AND WERE ALL ABUNCH OF CULT MEMBERS. NO WONDER YOU DONT HAVE A SRED OF HUMAN DECENCEY IN YOU . YOU PROBABLE BEAT YOUR OWN MOTHER ON BARMITSFA YOUR SO RUDE AND SELFISH AN EGOTISTICAL TO . I BET YOU DONT HAVE ANY FRIENDS EITHER THE IR PROBABLY NOT ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH YOUR HIGH DEGREE OF ITELECT. I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR CHILDREN YOU PROBABLY TREAT THEM LIKE DOGS TOO.IAM SORRY SHY GUY IVE LOOKED AT YOUR BUNK AND ILL ACEPT LOGIC WHERE THEIR IS LOGIC WHICH IN MY BOOK FAR FROM ALL YOUR CHILDISH ACUSATIONS OF ANYONE WHO DOSNT AGREE WITH YOU SO KEEP YOUR FACE UP TO THE STONE WALL BECAUSE I THINK YOUR GOD IS KIND OF SICK OF YOU TO .FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC ID RATHER EAT OKRA THAN BE IN THE CLASS OF HUMAN BEING YOUR IN. THOSE WHO SAY THEIR JEWS BUT ARE THE SYNIGOG OF SATAN.LOOK IN THE MIRROR IT REFLECTS WHATS IN YOU YOU CANT EVEN FIND GIVE TO OTHERS A EMPTY GODLESS HUMAN BEING VOID OF LOVE SO HE HAS TO PUT EVERYONE DOWN TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK IMPORTANT.I THINK YOU WANT PEOPLE TO WORSHIP YOU DONT YOU. I WORK HARD AT TREATING PEOPLE WITH KINDNESS AND I DONT EXSPECT EVERYONE TO THINK JUST LIKE ME . THERES ALOT OF SUFFERING GOING ON RITE NOW AND I DONT SEE YOU WITH ANY LEGITIMENT ANSWERS ON A THING. ARE YOU SURE YOUR SHY GUY MAYBE YOUR SOCIALY REPREST SYCOPATH EGOTISTIC REPULSIVE GUY??????

DAVID on March 8, 2010 at 7:09 pm

I never said anything about myself being great, good, OK or awful. I must be very humble.

I did not mention anything about Jews being G-d’s “chosen people.” BTW, it does not refer to Jews being better than anyone else, you ignoramus.

I have worked for and have had working for me all sorts of people from various ethnic backgrounds throughout my life and their being born Jewish or not has nothing to do with their intelligence.

I am one of millions of anonymous posters on the Internet. If you think that my comments make me “look important”, you’re the first one to say so. Rather, it’s your constant whining and ranting and deflecting the points being argued that makes you look childish and boorish. Keep up the good work.

Notice how all you can do is distract the conversation and not deal with the point at hand. You call the videos I linked to “bunk” yet you have not debunked a single point within any of them.

“Oh! Look over there!….”

Shy Guy on March 9, 2010 at 12:05 am

yah thats me lower case typing ranting cult ist pagen man god worshiping breaking the torah christian fictionalists here that didnt respond to the item of video containing a few frazings of descepency between a few verses about of and them and leaves out an overlying comtiuos theme implied in 10217 pages of text that your video genious ignores. including virgin birth is not written in isiah intill i post it and then with no proof say oh thats talking about something else but ill state my opinion on your video bunk bunk bunk what a bunch of junk . isiah is exactly talking about who was crucified on that cross by jews just like you.

DAVID on March 9, 2010 at 2:01 am

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