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February 11, 2010, - 12:38 pm

Who is Shahid Khan?: No Limbaugh for NFL; But Tax Cheat Muslim (Named for “Martyrdom”) A-OK

By Debbie Schlussel

The St. Louis Rams just announced that the team is being sold by relatives of late owner Georgia Frontiere to Shahid Khan, a Pakistani Muslim (who is named for Islamic martyrdom) from Illinois, who owns Flex-N-Gate Corporation, an auto parts manufacturer. But what’s interesting is that when Rush Limbaugh was a minority partner in a venture to buy the Rams, the NFL and its Commissioner, Roger Goodell, objected.

shahidkhan

Not so with Khan, even though he’s had a number of questionable dealings with the IRS and tax problems. Normally those would be a problem with the NFL ownership committee. But maybe the NFL makes exceptions in the interest of Muslim affirmative action. Hey, it’s a good thing the football is no longer made of real pigskin, right? And in case you were wondering, his first name means “martyr,” as in martyr for Islam. Islamic terrorists call themselves shahids.

So who is Shahid Kahn? . . . He and his wife are involved in some on-going financial legal battles. . . . Khan and his wife, Ann, filed law suits last summer in Champaign County Circuit Court against several financial advisors. The couple claims they lost money when misled on tax-advantaged investment strategies. According to court records, the IRS investigated the Khan’s tax returns between 1999 and 2003. They found potentially abusive [DS: translation, “illegal”] tax shelters involving $250 million.

Khan says he and his wife, Ann, quickly paid back the IRS $68 million, but he also appealed the payment. The Khan’s battle continues this week with his former financial advisors. They are being sued for negligence and professional malpractice for suggesting the couple invest in “distressed debt”, a strategy to lower taxes by using weak foreign currency. The next court date is scheduled for March 23.

Like I said, conservative minority owners in the NFL–verboten; but Muslim tax cheats named for Islamic martyrdom–YAY! Gee, I wonder if Mr. Khan will denounce HAMAS and Hezbollah. Actually, I don’t wonder because I know the answer: don’t bet on it. And the spineless NFL and its owners won’t have the guts to ask him, either.

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I agree, he has a really suspicious looking name.

By the way, the other day I met a Mexican guy named Jesus. His parents must be crazy to think he’s the reincarnation of Jesus!

Patrick on February 11, 2010 at 1:11 pm

Typical double standards at work. Americans, like Limbaugh, are not “politically correct” — they are scrutinized to the nth degree, and can’t be allowed to own or even be a partial owner of a football team — while Muslims (doesn’t matter at all what they espouse — whether it’s celebrating the murder of gays, adulterous women, or encouraging the maiming/torture of children, puppies, and kittens — it simply doesn’t matter, Hey, They’re Muslims! and a Grand Pass is given to them; and, oh yes, even the most noxious ideas cannot be subject to criticism, let alone ridicule — then you invite the PC Police and be charged with Blasphemy.)

J.S. on February 11, 2010 at 1:23 pm

Too bad you didn’t do enough research to find out that Mr. Kahn donated a couple grand to Mitt Romney’s Presidental campaign in 2008:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/shahid-khan.asp?cycle=08.

And trouble with the IRS? He should fit right in among NFL owners. At least he’s never bought prescription drugs on the black market.

Also – you’re an idiot.

M: He also gave to John Kerry and the Democratic Senatorial Committee. Hey, maybe he’s the reason Mitt Romney said he admires Hezbollah and refused to answer questions about the LDS Church giving tens of millions to a HAMAS/Muslim Brotherhood “charity.” DS

Mark on February 11, 2010 at 1:32 pm

Why this racial thing like muslim needs to be dicussed?
Stop this nonsence!!!

T: Islam is not a race. But it is a cult. DS

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 1:35 pm

So what would you call Christianity then?

You idiots read out of a book that was standardized by a tyrant.

Michael Owens on February 11, 2010 at 6:29 pm

Simple. Christianity is a religion. This is why it is so concerned with spiritual matters and has no concept akin to jihad. Islam is, arguably, not a religion, as it has little or no spiritual content at all. If you do as crafty Allah wills, you go to Heaven; otherwise you go to Hell. Hell is very bad. Heaven offers virgins (with some references to boys as well), and it has wine that does not intoxicate flowing in streams.

The content of Islam is overwhelmingly dedicated to subjugating the unbeliever. The concept of “peace” only is implemented when there are no unbelievers. Islam is a military and political doctrine with grafts of Jewish and Christian stories twisted to fit Mo’s military and political objectives. Allah is simply Mo’s pagan household god, made spiffy by borrowings from real religions. As Islam has little or nothing spiritual about it, it can more accurately be called a cult. That there are over a billion cultists means that the political military doctrines are effective.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 11:06 pm

Too bad you didn’t do enough research to find out that Mr. Kahn donated a couple grand to Mitt Romney’s Presidental campaign in 2007:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/shahid-khan.asp?cycle=08.

Imagine Mitt Romney cavorting with such a questionable character. Why would such an upstanding Conservative leader accept money from a self made billionaire who legally immigrated to this country 40 years ago? Scandalous! At least he’s never bought prescription drugs on the black market.

Also – you’re an idiot.

M: He also gave to John Kerry and the Democratic Senatorial Committee. Regardless, whether or not a Muslim tax-cheat gave to the GOP does not change the fact that he maintains his militant first name and is a tax cheat. Hey, maybe he’s the reason Mitt Romney said he admires Hezbollah and refused to answer questions about the LDS Church giving tens of millions to a HAMAS/Muslim Brotherhood “charity.” DS

Mark on February 11, 2010 at 1:37 pm

nice, shes an idiot, with access to google!

Al on February 11, 2010 at 1:40 pm

M: Regardless, whether or not a Muslim tax-cheat gave to the GOP does not change the fact that he maintains his militant first name and is a tax cheat. DS

His first name is “militant”? Are you serious? Perhaps you should consider changing your own first name, “Debbie”… wouldn’t want to be associated with pornography and “doing Dallas” right. And Rush Limbaugh still bought and used illegal drugs.

Mark

Mark on February 11, 2010 at 4:51 pm

HAHA, wow, his name means martyr? Your entire outlook on the guy is based on the meaning of his name? You realize he was named probably about 60 years ago right?

And why the hell should he have to denounce anything because of his religion? If you want NFL owners to start denouncing terrorist groups, then I would think that having the league as a whole denounce them would make more sense? Problem is that if our sporting organizations start dabbling into politics, it would take away from the ability of us to use sports as an escape.

By your logic, a Muslim owner denouncing an organization with which he has NEVER had any relation is the equivalent of a Christian owner having to publicly denounce Irish terror organizations, or even the KKK!

Giving extremist groups any kind of legitimacy by bothering to denounce them out of nowhere would be counterproductive. I challenge you to do some real research, instead of just googling a name (we can all use search engines, its not that impressive),and trying to frame an argument on it! I dont agree with Rush not being allowed to become an owner, but at least those arguing against him have statements they can refer to right? They didn’t just look up the meaning of his name and find fault with him!

Come up with some kind of substantiation for your opinion, because unfortunately, right now, you just come across as unamerican, bigoted, and against everything our constitution and nation stand for.

Al on February 11, 2010 at 1:37 pm

Do you know his wife and kids are catholics?
What answer you have for that?

T: He’s Muslim. This post is about him, not his wife and kids. DS

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 1:48 pm

Where is the playas union, yo?
Where is the outrage?
Why is anyone surprised at this NATIONAL FELONS LEAGUE warped twist on morals and integrity?
Another reason to tune the scumbags out.

Joe on February 11, 2010 at 1:51 pm

Maybe he is getting the team because he is not known for making racist and sexist comments. BTW Debbie, way to add in that he’s a Muslim as part of his label after you announced that he was a “tax cheat”, as if his being Muslim alone is something to be outraged about. Replace “Muslim” with “Jew” or “black” or “Caucasian” and you’ll see your prejudice. If you were only to take issue with his being a tax cheat as you claim he is, then why not just focus on that? Obviously you are judgmental about his being a Muslim. Why even bother pretending not to be an Islamophobic bigot?

AM: How many Jews and Blacks flew planes into buildings and murdered 3,000 Americans? How many of them worldwide cheer the mass murder of Americans and Jews in homicide bombings? Sorry, but the words are NOT interchangeable. DS

Alan Moore on February 11, 2010 at 1:54 pm

Its outrageous to link ones religion to acts of extremism. The Pope is German, and he was Nazi youth, though not by choice. Just because millions of Germans attempted to exterminate the Jews, does that mean that the Pope, or any Catholic, or any German for that matter becomes a Jew killer? By your logic they do. Keep in mind Ms. Schlussel (an obviously Bavarian last name), that by your logic you are an antisemite. And don’t try to claim that because these things happened 70 years ago, that somehow my argument is not valid, after all Mr. Khan was named only 10 years later!

Al on February 11, 2010 at 2:13 pm

Is it a crime to be US citizen and being MUSLIM?

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 1:55 pm

As usual, a different set of rules for muslims. As usual, “moderate” muslims refuse to denounce their terrorists.

DS_ROCKS! on February 11, 2010 at 2:03 pm

They do and are killing these terrorists in south waziristan every day.
By the way who created these millitants during Afghan war aginst USSR, who supplied them $$$$$$ and weahpons?

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 2:08 pm

Yay xenophobia and fear mongering!!!!

The NFL never said no to Rush you moron, he withdrew himself before his group even put a bid forward.

This is America, and he has just as much of a Constitutional right to follow his Bronze Age cult as you do yours.

Read a fucking book other than the Bible or Glenn Beck you stupid fuck.

Cameron on February 11, 2010 at 2:07 pm

Cameron, do stay classy. Insulting the woman who happens to be my friend won’t change the truth. We’re subsidizing the very cult responsible for mayhem and bloodshed around the world. You need to wake the heck up!

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 2:16 pm

What is “The Truth” asshole?

That a guy that has a funny sounding name wants to buy an NFL team? The fact that his wife is a Catholic and doesn’t cover her face with a veil in public shows you how committed his is to the beliefs you have a hard-on for painting him with.

You are the antithesis of American. America is a melting pot with religious freedom and you are innocent until proven guilty.

Cameron on February 11, 2010 at 2:26 pm

Cameron sounds like the name of a dude that talks with a lisp. Always puzzled me that a lot of gays were very hostile toward the very humans they attempt to emulate so much by deed and lifestyle, ie. interest in men and clothing choices.

I bet you’re a big SEX IN THE CITY fan aren’t you? Now go to the produce section of the grocery store and check the cucumbers for freshness.lol

Joe on February 11, 2010 at 4:23 pm

You laugh at your own jokes you redneck Christian lowbrow fuck?

Why don’t you go lynch a niggra and leave the thinking to the adults. We’ll leave the hating of brown people and speaking in tongues to you douche.

fuck you on February 11, 2010 at 9:58 pm

Thank whatever god you pray to that there are still people in our country who aren’t blinded by hate. The author and people like her are a bigger threat to our civil liberty, our freedom, and our American way of life than any idiot blowing himself up out of his own personal delusions. No matter how many innocents terrorist kill, they can’t take away our love of freedom, and our ability as Americans to look past one’s creed or kind; the only people that can chip away at our moral fabric are bigots like Ms. Schlussel. I hope Debbie, that you understand that calling someone a Muslim, or a Christian, or Jew, or a Hindu can NEVER be the basis for a sound argument. Addressing a reader’s argument by referring to Mr. Khan’s religion only makes it more obvious that this entire article is just a baseless rant without any basis in reality.

Al on February 11, 2010 at 2:28 pm

So, it would be wrong to have preconceived notions of a random German in Hitler’s Germany?

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm

Anyway, Al, we both know you are NOT a legal American citizen.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:27 pm

I feel sad for people like you. So much hate in your soul. If you were alive back in the days of slavery, you’d be one of the slave owners. It’s a good thing there are right-minded people in this world to stop people like you from spreading your hate and ignorance to the rest of the world.

Jay on February 11, 2010 at 2:07 pm

Do you think that Muslims should be allowed to own businesses in the US? Do you think that Muslims should be allowed to remain in the US?

an honest question on February 11, 2010 at 2:08 pm

Yeah… like they don’t hate us in the Muslim World and don’t want us all dead. Somehow I missed the message about Islamic tolerance and brotherhood. Jay, you would please direct us to where we can all find it?

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 2:13 pm

Really Debbie?

Why does Khan’s religion matter?
He IS the American Dream. He came here form Pakistan got educated, built a company, made Billions of dollars, and created thousands of jobs.

Oh yeah, and he’s a REPUBLICAN.

In addition he’s what the Current Rams owners wanted, a local owner who will keep the Rams in St. Louis

T: Not that I care what Party he allegedly belongs to, but how many Republicans do you know who supported John Kerry for President and donated to him and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee? Facts are stubborn things. DS

Tim in St. Louis on February 11, 2010 at 4:27 pm

My dad is big Republican, but he’s donated money to Dick Gephardt in the past because it made business sense. So who some people donate money too is more a result of our government having too much power and less who they want elected.

I understand that Limbaugh got the shaft regarding the Rams ownership. But I don’t think Khan should be railroaded because another person got wrongly railroaded.

Tim in St. Louis on February 11, 2010 at 4:40 pm

Honest two answers to your questions: no and no. That is if we want to survive.

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 2:14 pm

Norman, you do realize that your honesty is a direct affront to our constitution don’t you? Obviously you think that you could have made a more perfect union than the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc…?

Al on February 11, 2010 at 2:32 pm

We have a perfect union. There is no need to improve upon it.

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:28 pm

We have a perfect union? Didn’t you mention that you would prefer it if Muslims weren’t allowed to work in the US? I hope you understand that complaining about the current state of things i.e. Muslims being able to work, and the a few lines down claiming that our union is perfect, is a vast and gaping contradiction. Good attempt though.

Al on February 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm

Al sez:

“Norman, you do realize that your honesty is a direct affront to our constitution don’t you? Obviously you think that you could have made a more perfect union than the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc…?”

Al, you’ve suddenly become quite a fan of the Constitution I see. As you mention Jefferson, you should be aware that he considered Islam an incredible menace. He was quite the renaissance man, so of course he knew of Islam. Treason is not protected under the Constitution. Islam is inherently treasonous, as it rejects any secular law. The concept of jihad is central to Islam, and jihad is treason in action.

Don’t try to use the Constitution or the Founding Fathers against us. It only works with ignoramuses. Granted, civics knowledge is not what it should be, but there are plenty of people around who can correct this deficiency.

Anyway, you don’t really believe in the Constitution, do you? Try your deception elsewhere.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 10:56 pm

Why is there no Rooney rule for Black owners like there is for Black coaches? Is it because NFL owners are like the Augusta Golf Club?

Jim on February 11, 2010 at 2:22 pm

We have a constitution and rule of law in USA?

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 2:23 pm

“We,” tanvir? You are not an American. You do not even write idiomatic English.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 11:00 pm

“AM: How many Jews and Blacks flew planes into buildings and murdered 3,000 Americans? How many of them worldwide cheer the mass murder of Americans and Jews in homicide bombings? Sorry, but the words are NOT interchangeable. DS”

And how many do no such thing? We also have people like the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, funadmentalist Christians who bomb abortion clinics, people like Pat Robertson who denounce Haitians after their country was devastated by earthquakes, countless serial killers, etc., etc.. That does not make it right to judge an entire race by their skin color for it, or an entire religion by the acts of people in the religion. A Muslim is just that- a Muslim. Their being Muslim does not make them a terrorist. I would agree that Muslims right now as a whole are more dangerous to us than Christians or Jews or pretty much any other religion, but that DOES NOT make it ok to judge any individual based on their being Muslim. It is essentially the same thing as racism.

Alan Moore on February 11, 2010 at 2:52 pm

Its NOT the same as racism. Ask Malik Hasan’s surviving victims what they thought of his mowing them down in cold blood.

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:29 pm

Alan Moore says:

“I would agree that Muslims right now as a whole are more dangerous to us than Christians or Jews or pretty much any other religion, but that DOES NOT make it ok to judge any individual based on their being Muslim. It is essentially the same thing as racism.”

Well, at least you grant what is obvious, namely that Muslims as a whole are distinct in their dangerousness. You are wrong, though, in comparing opposition to Islam and those who believe in it (Muslims) to racism. There is nothing INHERENTLY problematic with one race as compared with another. One does not choose one’s race, and one cannot give it up. Race doesn’t INHERENTLY mean that someone is virtuous or a stinker. However, Islam is an ideology–a particularly evil one. Those who agree to such an ideology do reveal something about themselves. Someone who actually knows his Islam and follows its teachings is INHERENTLY a type of Nazi.

See? It’s really not so complex.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 11:16 pm

Can you write a post about how you always dreamed of being an attention-seeking whore and how your dream came true? Stupid bitch.

ehud olmert on February 11, 2010 at 2:57 pm

I didn’t care much for the real Ehud Olmert. But he wasn’t as snotty. Is that all you have to do on here – throw a temper tantrum?

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:27 pm

you are a racist bitch

mike on February 11, 2010 at 3:00 pm

Keep it classy, Mike. You’re saying nothing of consequence on the thread.

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:31 pm

i normally do not agree with you. in fact i am a complete liberal BUT in this case I’m on your side. i worked for flex n gate in danville ill and this guy it’s cheap. works you like a dog for very little money. his company sucks and i’m so glad i don’t work there anymore

chase carter on February 11, 2010 at 3:13 pm

Sounds like the Muslim attitude towards dhimmis. We’re superior and can rip you off… because we are!

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:32 pm

I worked for him too, but he is a great employer.

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 6:19 pm

I no longer work for him.
But he is a great humabeing and employer too.

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 6:23 pm

Perhaps to Muslims.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:31 pm

Typical jewish response to a successful muslim. why do you hate muslims so much?

moses on February 11, 2010 at 3:14 pm

And they don’t hate Jews? They try to murder them when they can. Not every prejudice is unwelcome. If you haven’t read Edmund Burke, you wouldn’t appreciate why the good man (and the good woman) is of necessity repelled by evil.

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:35 pm

CLASS, CLASS! Notice that this Muslim chooses a quintessentially Jewish name. I’m beginning to think it would be easier to find Santa Claus than an honest Muslim.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:30 pm

(I was referring to “moses,” February 11, 2010 at 3:14 pm.)

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:32 pm

Well, looks like this post brought a merger of the NFL opportunists and the Muslim terrorists (dupl).

The NFL is of course infected by PC, but I can see where they wouldn’t be bothered by the fact that this character is a tax cheat. How much you want to bet that the NFL crooks are cheating on their taxes as well? They don’t want to start a grassfire they can’t control.

And from the character of the opposition comments to this post, it is clear why the fact that SK is a lowlife doesn’t bother them. Look at the jerks making these comments. If they aren’t lowlifes, I don’t know what is.

Little Al on February 11, 2010 at 3:14 pm

Little Al… Debbie used to work as a lawyer for highly paid sports stars. Professional sports just isn’t much to write home about these days. And the Winter Olympics is about to begin spring training early. LOL

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:37 pm

i hope he loses all his money in this deal because with the way he treats and pays his workers thats what he deserves.

chase carter on February 11, 2010 at 3:15 pm

Debbie documented this guy’s background. The NFL won’t take Rush Limbaugh but it will take Shahid Khan. He doesn’t have a sterling track record but that doesn’t matter. He’s politically correct and that’s all that counts now.

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:39 pm

Chase!

In reading your posts, it is clear that you are not speaking from a religous point of view but from an expirience point of view! And you are not far off from your assessment! He is not Muslim, as I have said before on this forum, but as far as honesty, ethics and integrity! No comment! Lets just say that Like many of these other people have…one should not be so quick to put this guy up on a pedestal! If he only truly knew how some of those inbreads down there in Illinois and Indiana and the winny canucks and people in Detroit he has placed in positions that don’t belong there, he may be in for a rude awakening! I worked for and with that company for a number of years and there is some truth to what you are saying! I have been to and worked in his plants before and I know how things operate! It was a much different company back in the early days and it is sad what it has become!

Chasr…I am not using my name on here but I am sure if you heard it you would know who I am!!!

Annonymous on October 5, 2010 at 1:16 pm

How to stop this?

A LOT of people would have to stop watching football.
This is corrupt as can be, but since it’s not widely reported, or at least in all truth, how will people even know?

Thanks for posting a news story I hadn’t even come across.

Barbara (Xerraire) on February 11, 2010 at 3:53 pm

seriously?!

Racist, much?

D: What race is Islam? DS

dude on February 11, 2010 at 4:19 pm

Debbie, Im feeling your views! I think your the hottest thing since sliced bread. I love the way you think. I think your hotter than anyone out there. Compared to you, anyone else is just bland. Keep doing what your doing, you just turning me on more and more!

James Politsky on February 11, 2010 at 4:49 pm

Im surprised how ignorant and racist educated americans can be…..yikes

Matt on February 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm

Its cute that when someone says the word racist, all the author does is call on semantics to try and make a deluded point. We understand that Islam isn’t a race, thank you. Maybe you’d prefer bigoted Islamophobe? AND YOU GOT THE MEANING OF THE NAME WRONG, WHAT A JOKE!

Al on February 11, 2010 at 5:30 pm

OK, Islam is a religion and Islamists were friend of USA during Afghan war against infidels from USSR.What an alliance at that time among two religions, GREAT.
Did Mr Khan ever went to a muslim Mosque while in USA?

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 5:45 pm

Apparently my post was misunderstood. I was not addressing Debbie herself in any way. My comment was content-directed, i.e. the coming together of the NFL and Muslim terrorists. When one is in the world of bureaucrats, it is necessary to dumb down one’s writing, use short choppy sentences at the risk of being misunderstood, and not using words that are too long. Generally if one’s syntax isn’t clear to someone it is better to ask.

Little Al on February 11, 2010 at 5:37 pm

Shahid is the same as shaheed, its the same word for martyr. All muzzies are untrustworthy because if they fully believe the words in the koran then they will do one of three things:

1. Convert infidels
2. Subjugate infidels
3. Murder infidels

A true believing muzzie has a duty to spread islam at the point of the sword. In fact islam means submission. So any muzzie can go into sudden jihad syndrome and start murdering. Jews are their favorite target, but any infidel will do.

This country is based on Judeo-Christian values, not muzzie values, and this muzzie is certainly no American, since he’s a tax cheat. The NFL is overrun by PC weenies and this is no surprise.

Also – deport muzzies and stop their immigration to this country.

FrenchKiss on February 11, 2010 at 5:46 pm

It is also clear from the above comments that CAIR (or equivalent) has made a decision to monitor Debbie regularly, and set up ‘action teams’ to respond to various posts critical of Muslims. And they are trying different tacks, to make it seem like the comments aren’t related (although probably a couple are actually genuine). Anger, range, ‘you should be ashamed’ comments, etc. The speed of all these comments suggests an organized campaign.

Little Al on February 11, 2010 at 5:48 pm

Yes, people like myself who vehemently disagree with this article, and therefore post our points regularly, MUST point to an organized misinformation campaign. I guess when people run out of points they decide to dabble in conspiracy? FYI, this article appeared on a google scroll when I was reading about the Rams, thats the only reason I would ever frequent a site like this. Sorry, theres no big conspiracy, just a little disgust.

Al on February 11, 2010 at 6:05 pm

You bet, Little Al. I also expect that each person is using multiple nics, so a tag team of a few can put up a lot of dreck. Interestingly, the comments are just blurbs. It’s easy enough to generate a blizzard of them.

These guys are even lying about “Shahid” versus “Shaheed.” How ridiculous when transliterations are so flexible. Does it matter if we are considered kafir, kuffar, etc? No, it still means we are filthy infidels, and that’s exactly what our Muslim tag team really believes.

All the blather about “racism” and “xenophobia” etc. is ridiculous when coming from devotees of 7th Century Nazism. They are STILL enslaving black Africans! A decent person would renounce Islam. But our tag team has no decent members.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:09 pm

“Its NOT the same as racism. Ask Malik Hasan’s surviving victims what they thought of his mowing them down in cold blood.”

Yes, what point are you trying to make? A nut job went on a killing spree, so what? People of all religions have murdered others. You have proved that you are akin to a racist with that statement, though, by associating the act of an individual with 1.6 billion people.

Alan Moore on February 11, 2010 at 5:50 pm

Cry me a river. I’d put those 1.6 billion in the class as the Germans in Nazi Germany. Were there some decent Germans? I’m sure a few. But mostly there were variations in degree of evil.

Mo was evil, Mr. Moore. His doctrine is evil. You are evil if you know the doctrine and defend it; you are negligent if you do not know what you are defending.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:14 pm

What in the world does him being Muslim have to do anything?

Especially while comparing and contrasting he and Rush Limbaugh?

Who are you?

Get your facts straight, if he was doing something “illegal” he would be under criminal investigation,there is nothing of that sort.

Rush Limbaugh is a bigot, and a racist, why would the Rosenblooms and the NFL owners even allow a person of his standing to be involved with a black dominated sport?

Oh, I forgot who I was reading, you and Rush would have a field day going to a NAACP convention.

You yourself have been under criticism for writing the hate propaganda that you do, so why even comment on something that you can’t be objective about?

Call it a career and then just die already. It’s 2010, it’s not 1800 anymore, bigots like you and Limbaugh need to move on.

Michael Owens on February 11, 2010 at 6:15 pm

debbie you should try dating a muslim man.. we are very large just how i heard that you like it :O

ed on February 11, 2010 at 6:17 pm

“Call it a career and then just die already. It’s 2010, it’s not 1800 anymore, bigots like you and Limbaugh need to move on.”

-Michael Owens

Hey “Michael,” it’s 2010 not 670 A.D. You think you might find a more modern and decent ideology than Islam?

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:19 pm

“Hey “Michael,” it’s 2010 not 670 A.D. You think you might find a more modern and decent ideology than Islam?”

Ummm, yeah, I’m not Islamic, Jewish, Christian, Atheist, and so and so forth.

I do have a modern and decent ideology, it’s called using my brain, and having a sense of virtues and morals.

I do not devote myself to a “religion” because religion is not pure, it’s not logical, in a sense, religion is all the sense of the word is a cult.

I do not need to follow a fellow man who reads out of a book in order to have a relationship with God, with Allah, and so on and so forth, it doesn’t matter.

It’s about the relationship that you have with your father/mother, not the biological one either.

That’s as modern and decent as you can get.

The Ku Klux Klan was born on the ideology of Christianity, the Taliban are Sunni Muslim Pashtuns, the Sons of Freedom, and so on and so forth.

Is this what you call Modern and Decent?

Michael Owens on February 11, 2010 at 6:42 pm

I was wondering the same thing about your passion for Islam. What a disgrace! One would think that an atheist would be especially unsympathetic to an ideology that forces non-Muslims into dhimmitude, death, or conversion.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:51 pm

CORRECTION: Owens says he’s not an atheist. Who cares? He sure is no lover of freedom.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:54 pm

Re tanvir ali’s comments:

Generally when one is incoherent in one language (s)he doesn’t know the structure of a second one very well either. TA’s native language obviously is not English. Usually when one is incoherent in one language, he doesn’t know the other (arabic) very well either.

Re “Al’s” comments; really cute, trying to blend an American nickname with the “Al” from all those Muslim names. Quite a coincidence, just skimming but picked this up in an hour, and was so shocked by this initial discovery that (s)he made multiple posts.

Little Al on February 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm

Again nothing to say except why did i pick up the story earlier than you? I’m so amazed by your powers of argument and persuasion!

Al on February 11, 2010 at 8:31 pm

MO, if he was doing something illegal he’d be under criminal investigation? Duh, have you read Debbie’s comments about all the Muslims that have gotten away with murder (accidental pun) but nothing happened because they’re Muslims? Look at BO’s cabinet — look at all the crook-politicians especially in traditionally blue states like Michigan, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, guess MO’s vaunted justice system hasn’t quite gotten to them yet.

Little Al on February 11, 2010 at 6:29 pm

Ed must be talking about Muslims’ stomachs, and I don’t think Debbie is that attracted to Michael Moore, Bill Clinton, or Sean Hannity or any other Muslims or Muslim wannabees.

Little Al on February 11, 2010 at 6:31 pm

Hey, abcd, since when do you Muslims oppose bigotry? That’s the very core of your totalitarian ideology. The main bigotry is against the kafir. You think we don’t know?

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:37 pm

This is what rUSH SAID;

RUSH: I want to congratulate Mr. Shahid Khan, who is 55 years old. He is the president of Flex-N-Gate Corp., an auto parts manufacturer based in Urbana, Illinois. He has lived in the United States 40-some-odd years. He is Pakistani descent, and he is the person who has been selected by the Rosenbloom family to purchase the St. Louis Rams.

I didn’t get the Dubai Ports Deal, but we do have Rashid Khan. Now, he’s gotta pass muster with the NFL owners. He’s gotta go through the vote process there, but the Rams principals (Chip Rosenbloom and his sister Lucia Rodriguez) have sold the team to Rashid Khan of Urbana, Illinois. Congratulations to him. He says he’s a big Rams fan. He goes to the Edward Jones Dome constantly and appears to want to be a pretty hands-on owner, from what we’ve been able to figure out.

This is from RUSH: I want to congratulate Mr. Shahid Khan, who is 55 years old. He is the president of Flex-N-Gate Corp., an auto parts manufacturer based in Urbana, Illinois. He has lived in the United States 40-some-odd years. He is Pakistani descent, and he is the person who has been selected by the Rosenbloom family to purchase the St. Louis Rams.

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 6:38 pm

Hey tavir! I repeat: how do you justify believing that a Nazi like Mo is the ideal man? How can you not be ashamed?

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:39 pm

nAZI -ISM IS A WORST THING HAPPENNED TO THE PEOPLE AND ALLIES (iNCLUDINGTHOSE WHO FOUGHT IT TOGETHER WITH US AT stalingrad)

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 8:52 pm

I’m not sure who the “us” is, tanvir. Muslims were on the side of Hitler. The Mufti of Jerusalem wanted to implement “the final solution” in Eretz Israel, and he helped create an army to do so. Islam has murdered Jews, forced them to convert, expelled them, and subjugated them from the moment Mo gained the military force to do so. At his deathbed, he asked that all Jews that remained in the Arabian peninsula be expelled. There are also the ahadith that tell how at the end of the world, a Jew will hide behind a rock, and the rock will cry out “there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him!”

If you hate Nazism, you must hate Islam. Simple as that.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 10:00 pm

Wow this is so stupid. The man came to this country as a boy. Went to school here, was raised here. Built a business in the so called real America. Has donated a ton of money to the collage which he went to in ILL. Is a Rams fan. Plans to keep the team in STL…. You are worried about the meaning of his name. He is a American.. He has lived the American dream, and built a business from the bottom up. Thats what people did when they came to this country since the counrty’s birth. Started with nothing and made something out of him self. But lets call this what it is…. He’s not a white man.Thats the issue here. I was born and raised in STL. I am a white man and a Jewish man. I am excited for a owner who wants to bring a winning team to STL. So chill the hell out you’re really reaching here. This is about football… This man Mr. Khan wants to win.. The Rams need that.. STL needs that.. Grow up!

SFK on February 11, 2010 at 6:45 pm

Hey Michael, why do you use a European name when you are a Muslim?

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 6:57 pm

Lol…dude..what’s wrong with you??

http://national.nsbe.org/Contact/tabid/97/Default.aspx

Go down to “Finance Zone”

Shoot me an email and we can discuss further how I am using a “European Name” when I am a Muslim.

Lol…silly white folks…..

Michael Owens on February 11, 2010 at 7:45 pm

Let go through this one more time!!! He is not a Muslim!! I repeat!! He is not a muslim! What and who is he??? A ruthless, prudent businessman who happens to be very smart! He has some amazing accomplishments! But, that does not necessarily equate to honesty, ethics and integrity! Religion asside, there is some truth to the other comments on this blog. Regarding how he does business!!!

annoymous on September 17, 2010 at 3:15 pm

Let’s review. Rush is not a tax cheat. He does not advance a “religion” that is based on perpetual war, xenophobia, Jew-hating, enslavement, racism, child molestation, etc. But the haters can’t stand Rush’s involvement in a sports team. Khan, though, is a crook. That would generally not, by itself, make him qualified, but in addition, he is a Muslim, so he can play the “racism” card.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 7:02 pm

Skzion, just be objective.

Khan has done nothing illegal. He has not been charged with tax evasion, tax fraud, or anything of that matter, so insinuating that he is a tax cheat only lowers your credibility.

Rush has not advance a “religon” that is based on perpetual war, xenophobia, Je-hating, enslavement, racism, child molestation, and so and so forth, but what does have to do with Shahid Khan?

Has Shahid Khan advanced anything like that? No, no one knew who this guy was until today. He has said nothing, done nothing, nor offended anyone, so why are people attacking him?

Because he is Muslim?

Michael Owens on February 11, 2010 at 7:42 pm

“Skzion, just be objective.”

Dear Mr. Owens:

The reason Debbie picked up on this issue is that it is another in a long line of PC maneuvers whereby certain people (e.g. Rush) are vilified and sometimes destroyed (they couldn’t do that to Rush), whereas others–Muslims–get special treatment (e.g. Khan). Now, I am not a lawyer, but I simply trust Debbie on the legal issues here. What is not at issue is the cloud that surrounds Khan. While it must be speculative that the Khan played the Muslim (“race”) card, I’m inclined to believe that this is exactly what happened. Such speculation would not by itself hold up in court, but I am not in court. Rather, I am just making a personal decision on what happened.

“He has said nothing, done nothing, nor offended anyone, so why are people attacking him?

Because he is Muslim?”

Certainly, he is being attacked for probably playing the Muslim card. It’s odd that he gained what he did otherwise, given the sleaze that surrounds him. Note that such faux sleaze attributed to Rush was enough to sink him.

But really, let’s get to the chase, shall we? Why are you on this blog, Mr. Owens? Debbie focuses on the ridiculous special treatment that Muslims get, so I fully understand her motivation here. What is yours? That you are black (if the picture you linked to is correct) certainly does not mean that you are Christian. Indeed, it is likely that you are Muslim. That is why it is perfectly relevant to ask you how you can defend such a monstrous ideology. If you are Christian or atheist, you should be concerned about the subjugation of the unbeliever under Islam. As a black man, you should be aware that Islam began the black slave trade and continues it to this day. By the way, before a black man can enter Heaven, his face is turned white. Nice, huh?

There is no way to spin this to your credit.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 10:20 pm

skzion, “The reason debbie picked up this issue”

Look at the context of what “issue” Debbie is picking up.

I say “issue” because I am trying to still see what the issue is? Rush Limbaugh was clearly not a fit for the NFL because he has made clear offenses towards a race that dominates the NFL. Khan has not taken actions or said anything that would make him a liability for the NFL. He is a Midwest business man who decided to purchase an NFL team because he is worth over 1.6 billion dollars, plain and simple, yes he is Muslim, he is also a U.S. Citizen, has an American wife named Ann, two kids who were born and raised in Urbana, Illinois, and no he is not white.

There is no such thing as Equal Opportunity NFL Franchising, or NFL Owner’s Affirmative Action, there is no such thing, so how could he have played the race card? You either have the funds, or you don’t, either you would be a good fit in the NFL, or you won’t, plain and simple.

I already said why Rush wouldn’t have been a good fit for the NFL, so besides the facts that this guy’s name is not Billy Bob, or Tommy, and he doesn’t believe in your god, I can’t find another reason why anyone calls this purchase an issue.

You say, “It’s odd that he gain what he did otherwise, given the sleaze that surrounds him.”

What sleaze? In detail…please…elaborate. Gained his personal wealth? The Rams purchase?

I do not see anyone in an up roar over Bill Gates or Warren Buffet.

He has Tax issues that he is dealing with the IRS, OK….now what? He paid the IRS, now what? If he committed criminal acts, than he would have been charged by now, or at least indicted. I haven’t seen a report, have you?

Let’s do cut to the chase.

I am not trying to spin anything to my credit, I am not trying to “win” anything, I usually don’t even post on blogs like this, but when I see such clear disdain and prejudice stemmed from someone being different it annoys me. I apologize for being young and nieve, but thats the way I was raised.

People like Debbie are the reasons why bigotry still exits in America, because as long as there are differences, people like Debbie are going to have things to write about. That is why I decided to write something.

I was born in Suriname, South America to a East Indian mother and a Black South American Father. I have an outlook on life that is far different than that of an America such as yourself.

As an immigrant, I went through 9-11 completely different than you did, I had to try and get legal rights in order to get the same opportunities that kids in America got, a time that was a couple of bills away from being post Pearl Harbor, but instead of Japanese Americans, pretty much anyone who had an accent.

I had to be with out my mother for 2 years as she tried to establish a life in America for her young boys at the age of 22. I have seen first hand of how oppression of all difference affects people in the world.

I am not Muslim nor Christian, I have however read out of the both the Koran and the New Testament. I was born into a Polytheistic religion in Hinduism, but I choose not to practice because I see what religion does to people. I am by no means Atheist, because I do believe in your God, in their Allah, as a Engineer, and a scientific mind, I would be stupid not to.

History….

Christians began the slave trade that brought Africans to the Americas, it was Christians that raped the Indians of their native homeland, it was Hitler’s Christianity that caused the holocaust, it was Bush who used the word “Crusade” in regards to his war on terrorism and escalated his hidden agenda to a holy war, we see how much good that has done, it was Christianity that gave birth to the ideology of the KKK and their $100,000 assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King.

Please, before anyone says anything about a Muslim having special treatment, with all of the hurt, pain, hate and suffering that your religion has given to the inhabitants fo the US, the word special should be omitted in place of the words, “It’s about god damn time.”

No I am not a Muslim, but by no means am I believer of a religion that “fears” people into conversion.

If the Islamic believes are monstrous, the essences that have been brought onto this world by Christianity is embodied in every meaning of Satan himself.

Send me a picture text message when you see a Black man turn white at the gates of heaven, and then I’ll forward it to Farrakhan, Mr. Benedict, Mr. Carey, and maybe even Virgil Lee Griffin if he would write down my number.

To bring this back to my central point. Ms. Schlussel is clearly a xenophobe, just look at all of her other blogs.

This blog is more of the same, shameless propaganda, irresponsible slander, and so on and so forth.

-Michael

Michael Owens on February 12, 2010 at 12:30 am

Michael says:

“when I see such clear disdain and prejudice stemmed from someone being different it annoys me. I apologize for being young and nieve, but thats the way I was raised.”

It is idiotic to say that Debbie has a problem with “someone being different.” The issue is not “difference” but the content of the difference. Islam is a totalitarian ideology whose effects are playing out now, on a daily basis, in the West. This is not a “difference” in restaurant menus or musical tastes. Mr. Owens, were you raised to be such a sloppy thinker?

“People like Debbie are the reasons why bigotry still exits in America, because as long as there are differences, people like Debbie are going to have things to write about. That is why I decided to write something.”

Leaving aside your ridiculous claim about “differences,” you really feel that your few years of citizenship equip you to comment on such things? And tell me, is Debbie responsible for the bigoted nature of Islam, given that it was formed more a thousand years before she was born?

“I was born in Suriname, South America to a East Indian mother and a Black South American Father. I have an outlook on life that is far different than that of an America such as yourself.”

Yes, your outlook is not based on American traditions. The effect of such traditions is a country that was apparently worthy enough to lure your mother and her children to this country.

“As an immigrant, I went through 9-11 completely different than you did. . . ”

Yes, as a citizen, I was traumatized by 9/11. You, having no love of this country, were not traumatized.

“. . . I had to try and get legal rights in order to get the same opportunities that kids in America got, a time that was a couple of bills away from being post Pearl Harbor, but instead of Japanese Americans, pretty much anyone who had an accent.”

Poor baby.

“I had to be with out my mother for 2 years as she tried to establish a life in America for her young boys at the age of 22. I have seen first hand of how oppression of all difference affects people in the world.”

If you were a worthy citizen, you would not be crying for your “plight” but would be thankful that you were given citizenship, and you would understand what a catastrophe like 9/11 meant to those of us who have grown up here. But you are not a worthy citizen, and I suspect that your mother is not either, as she did not teach you to love your new country.

For the past few years, I have increasingly thought that all immigration, legal and of course illegal, needs to end. We have no need for citizens like you, Mr. Owens, and I hope we can prevent future Owenses.

skzion on February 13, 2010 at 3:12 pm

I’m wondering why, when I ask an advocate for Islam to justify his advocacy, I get silence. But how does one whitewash Hitler on a camel?

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 7:06 pm

Sad, sad, sad example of bigotry. Notice you have nothing to say against the Bible. The “secular” establishment knows much better than you. How else would the man get a team?

Hassan on February 11, 2010 at 7:28 pm

Still waiting, Hassan.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 7:36 pm

Same applies to you. Apparently, you cannot read. There’s been PLENTY of Jews who became Muslims throughout time. I personally do not care for his personal perspective or financial dealings, either.

Hassan on February 11, 2010 at 7:42 pm

Actually, Hassan, I read very well. I have read large parts of the Koran, the authoritative biography of Mo by Ishaq, and the Hadith (specifically, Bukhari and Abu Muslim). I focused on the parts relevant to unbelievers, i.e, “kafirs.” It’s ugly stuff–I finally became physically nauseated while reading the Hadith.

The Bible (really the Torah and the Christian Bible) contains nothing like such doctrines. The Torah is mainly concerned with the formation of all, and with Jews. Judaism does not proselytize, so there is no worldwide subjugation possible in the doctrine. The Christian Bible is based on Jesus, who, whatever I think of his views, was basically a good man. Islam is based on the what Mo asserted that the Angel Gabriel told him and the Sunna (Mo’s life, as detailed in authoritative biographies (especially by Ishaq) and his sayings and doings (Hadith). As Mo was a really nasty piece of work, it is not surprising that Islam is nasty doctrine. Even worse, its nastiness is frozen as of the 10th Century, when the door to Ishtihad (modification of doctrine based on experiences of the time) was closed. You are free to deny the latter, but you will not have any support from acknowledged experts (e.g., Al-Azhar).

Am I a bigot? Not as you use the term. I’m a live and let live kind of guy. BUT, I have no tolerance for totalitarianism, as it goes against my values.

And as for your statement that “there’s been PLENTY of Jews who became Muslims throughout time,” I agree completely. But you fail to see the sinister meaning of this datum. Jews living near Muslims had no choice: they either converted, were killed, or had to pay the jizya (poll tax) “and feel themselves subdued.” This is what jihad means. I believe that it is time to roll this process back, to return Muslims to real religions and away from authoritarianism. This is why I have a “no tolerance” policy for Islam.

Now, if you are a decent fellow, you can convert from Islam to some other religion or can drop religion entirely.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 9:44 pm

Much of the comments here are really quite hilarious — although it must be unintentional. One of the “ironies” is the ongoing air of Shock! Shock! I tell you! with alleged “racism.”

One of the most well-known features of say, Egyptian, Arab society is it open and rank racism towards Blacks (especially those living in Sudan, etc). Who doesn’t know this?

There was a Guardian article published last year — a Lebanese singer got herself into trouble in Egypt, due to some lyrics to a song…about a “Nubian monkey.” Here are some quotes from the article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/23/nubian-monkey-arab-racism)..”Fair and Lovely, a popular whitening cream, advertises itself on Arabic TV when a model is rejected for being too dark, only to be ecstatically accepted after a few weeks of applying the magic cream.” “..That struck me as casual racism in the guise of fetishised endearment, similar to the way black girls are treated in the streets of Cairo when apparently being complimented on their dark complexions (being referred to as “Kit Kat”..”) “The Nubians want a formal apology and an end to airing the song in Egypt. Perhaps this will call attention to an endemic culture of racial stereotyping in the region and raise the standards of reference to darker-skinned Arabs in Egypt and elsewhere.”

Arab society is about the opposite of American culture; and in Arab societies, there is no “political correctness.” Hence, the oftentimes open espousal of racist speech in egypt, etc…speech which would not be acceptable for Westerners to utter. So enough already about being “Shocked! Shocked! I tell you!”about phony self-righteous claims of “racism.” Doesn’t pass muster.

J.S. on February 11, 2010 at 7:49 pm

What??

Michael Owens on February 11, 2010 at 7:53 pm

I do not know about this guy but one correction. Shahid means “Witness” vs Saheed that means Martyr.
Also if the guy is a tax cheat and has contributed to dubious
causes then STL RAMS should NOT be sold to him.
———————————————————-
From the Wiki: about the current owner
In 1957, Frontiere, a well-known Miami dancer, began running with an elite crowd. It was Joseph P. Kennedy, father of future president John F. Kennedy, who introduced Frontiere to Carroll Rosenbloom, NFL owner and millionaire uniforms manufacturer. Their marriage was her sixth.

S: Shahid means martyr, whether it is spelled in English with two “e”s or one “i.” DS

Sammie on February 11, 2010 at 7:59 pm

Again SHAHID MEANS ” WITNESS” VS SHAHEED MEANS Martyr.
Lest ask an Arabic linguist before you fly off with it.

Sammie on February 11, 2010 at 8:48 pm

Oh good grief! A martyr, through his act, witnesses to the truth of Islam. It’s the same damn thing.

skzion on February 11, 2010 at 9:47 pm

Well, we have proof now that these muslim comments are orchestrated. A quote from Rush.

I listen to Rush sometimes, but I would not be able to write down a quote from him that took several paragraphs just by casually listening to him.

But if I was representing an organization like cair or one of the other pro-terrorist groups, which presumably tape all these things, I could just transcribe or receive a transcription of the tape, and then paste it on to this post. But tanvir ali waited several hours to post the quote. Maybe cair’s transcriber needed a little time to finish transcribing it, or maybe it needed to be edited first.

Debbie asked whether Khan would denounce hamas or hezbollah. None of these muslim comments address this. I wonder why?

None of them addresses the double standard that the post addressed; Rush not getting the team while Khan did. Quoting Rush does not address this question, but I guess some of these muslims are so used to winning things the pc way.

The way this works is that you don’t really need a logical rationale. You just say something that has a veneer, however thin of providing justification for something and then you know people will buy off on it, not because it is persuasive, but because they are PC. Rush congratulates him. Therefore no double standard. When you’re predisposed to accept pc, you will latch on to the flimsiest logic because you’re not really using logic, you’re using pc.

Little Al on February 11, 2010 at 8:39 pm

iT WAS PASTED FROM RUSH’S WEBSITE DIRECTLY.
Was this whole thing started with Rush being refused or kicked out?

tanvir ali on February 11, 2010 at 8:56 pm

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