Ian Schwartz only manages to make a fool out of himself, not Moore. It’s pretty clear what Moore said and what he meant as shown in this small transcript on Schwartz site:
“MICHAEL MOORE: Well, first of all when youíre trying to find a better system you would actually look for the best things in those other systems and so thatís what I went and did. Because all weíve heard about for how many years is bad things about the Canadian system, all bad things about the British system.”
What Moore clearly meant here and in the rest of the video clip is that the American media doesn’t exam what these systems do right. And I also saw the interviews with Moore by Blitzer and the debate with Dr Sanjay Gupta on Larry King, and Moore backed up his numbers. It was Dr Gupta’s piece on ‘Sicko’ which contained errors, not the movie.
And IMHO, Debbie you should delete this blog entry since it’s obviously factually wrong. You’re only making yourself look bad, not Moore.

Norman Blitzer on July 11, 2007 at 3:35 pm

MM clearly states that his intention was to portray the other health systems in the best possible light to provide “balance”.
That’s truly not “balance”, it’s still a biased, skewed position.
Balance would be to present both the good and the bad.
Also the idea that the press only portrays our system positively is bogus at best.
Any one who can google can find plenty of critical stories on the health care system in the U.S. it just takes the press of a button.
MM is a propagandist, nothing more.

Cpilot on July 11, 2007 at 3:51 pm

Hi Norm:
I’ve noticed that your hero Michael Moore ain’t looking so good these days.
The quote you posted does not make sense b/c in comparing healthcare systems one should compare apples to apples, not the best of one system vs. the worst in another. Or “cherry pick” facts as Dr. Gupta mentioned. Moore attempts to make one system look even worse, ours of course.
Dr. Gupta said he made one (1) error, not many as you are implying – while Moore did NOT “back up his numbers” as you say.
I think Michael Moore should delete his career b/c as we’ve discussed before on this blog he does not concern himself with facts. Have you looked at the movie made by the Canadian couple about his film making techniques? They are libs btw.

CarpeDiem on July 11, 2007 at 5:42 pm

The movie I refer to above is called “Manufacturing Dissent”. Here’s a link to an article about it.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/23/news/moore.php

CarpeDiem on July 11, 2007 at 6:08 pm

CNN interviewed him about that this morning. Dr. Sanjay Gupta stumped him on that, and then Moore just started BSing about something else. Even though Moore has some good points in his documentary, he really did blow things out of proportion to discredit his whole work.

markccu on July 11, 2007 at 6:18 pm

CarpeDiem,
Once again, you’re the one who has the facts wrong. First MM is looking great these days. He’s lost weight and is dressing with a bit of style. ‘Sicko’ is critically acclaimed by movie critics of all political stripes, and he’s done a great job of rebutting his political critics.
As for Dr Gupta, he admitted to erring about the amount of money Cuba spends per person on health care, but he also stated in his news piece that MM implied Cuba had a better system than the US which is also untrue. ‘Sicko’ clearly shows Cuba in 39th and the US in 37th on the list. Dr Gupta also said that MM doesn’t tell his audience of the high taxes these other countries have to pay for their health care system, when in fact, in ‘Sicko’ MM says that the French pay a lot of taxes. And Dr Gupta ends his news piece with this:
“But no matter how much Moore fudged the facts — and he did fudge some facts.. ”
After the half-hour debate this was proven to be untrue. But don’t take my word for it, here’s the transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/10/lkl.01.html
[Have you looked at the movie made by the Canadian couple about his film making techniques? They are libs btw.]
No, and I don’t have any interest in seeing it. Why should their movie on MM be considered anymore truthful than MM’s movies?

Norman Blitzer on July 11, 2007 at 6:34 pm

Dear Norman,
Moore’s liberal logic(an oxymoron) and yours is flawed.
In comparing any two systems, one must compare the best and worst of both systems and then evaluate which one is better overall. Comparing the best of one to the worst of another IS the work of a propagandist and not at all “balanced”.
Also, by calling Dr. Gupta a liar and asserting his numbers are right, Moore is NOT backing up his numbers. It is simply showing the weakness of his facts.
If your mind is truly as open as you claim, then you need to stop believing every word that oozes out of Moore’s mouth.

WillPower on July 11, 2007 at 6:36 pm

[Also, by calling Dr. Gupta a liar and asserting his numbers are right, Moore is NOT backing up his numbers. It is simply showing the weakness of his facts.]
Will, read the CNN transcript and you’ll see that is blatantly false.
The problem isn’t me “believing every word that oozes out of Moore’s mouth”, but right wingers lying about MM. Personally, I don’t believe every word that oozes out of Moore’s mouth anymore than I believe every word that oozes out of Debbie Schlussel’s mouth. And you should feel the same way, Will.

Norman Blitzer on July 11, 2007 at 6:50 pm

Norm:
1- Where has he lost weight? LOL
2- He’s not doing a ‘great job of rebutting his political critics’ – which is why he sounds like a raving lunatic on CNN. BTW – I hardly think Dr. Gupta is a ‘political critic’ – he works for CNN! -and does medical reporting!
3- Dr. Gupta said he made one (1) mistake- I saw him say it. Nothing about Moore’s ‘fudged facts’ were proven untrue – what are you referring to specifically?
4- Regarding the “Manufacturing Dissent” movie – you might want to see it, before you continue to defend someone who these filmmakers have shown to be a male version of Lenny Riefenstahl.

CarpeDiem on July 11, 2007 at 6:59 pm

Dear Norman,
I have read it. And I don’t see where he “backs up” his numbers. He never addresses that his web site number differs from his movie number. He never explains why he “cherry picks” numbers from different sources. He admitted to using projected numbers, not actual numbers.
Besides, if you read carefully you will see he uses different numbers as convenient:
“MOORE: — OK.
I’ll start with the per capita that we spend in this country per person. The film says nearly $7,000 per person in the United States we spend on health care every year. Dr. Gupta said it was around $6,000.
Unfortunately, he’s using old statistics from 2004. My statistics are actually from Mr. Bush’s Health and Human Services Department, from 2007. And that’s only one of a number of things he uses. The Cuban longevity list —
KING: But how — how vast is the difference? MOORE: — He’s using — well, you mean the longevity rates?
KING: No, between what he reported of being spent and you report being spent?
MOORE: — It’s a — it’s about a $1,400 difference now. This year Health and Human Services says that we’re going to spend about $7,400 per person in this country, not 6,000, as Dr. Gupta said. He’s using 2004 statistics.”
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See how $7000 becomes $7400 when he needs to make the difference bigger. This is his unconscious need to use the number most favorable to his bias.
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“GUPTA: Well, I mean, he pulls $251 from this BBC unsourced report and then he — and then he has this $7,000 number, which is a projected HHS number. It’s not — it’s not an actual number yet.
And you brought up the point, Larry, maybe the numbers aren’t that wildly different. But I think the numbers are important here because I think the issue here is that I think it blackens the eyes of people who are actually trying to do something about health care, who actually want to know the numbers, who want to do right by their bodies and their loved one’s health. It makes it very hard to advance the argument if you’re not getting the numbers right.
I also think the whole idea, Michael, of just calling it a free system I think is a little bit nebulous to people who don’t fully understand what you mean by that. Yes, you’ve got to raise taxes significantly. I mean France is drowning in taxes. They’re running a $15.6 billion debt. I mean it’s very hard to pay for this sort of thing. And to just call it free and say it’s free, I think, makes it very — it’s murky, Michael, at best. And I think that’s what I have difficulty with when you’re trying to really advance a scenario here where we can get health care for everybody. KING: Good point. Michael?
MOORE: Well, he just used the line from my film where I said the French are drowning in taxes. That’s my line.
Right?
GUPTA: Well, look —
MOORE: Isn’t that —
GUPTA: Michael, I think you would have to agree.
MOORE: Don’t you agree?
GUPTA: No. Let me — you would have to agree that people would walk away from your film with the perception that health care is free in Canada.
MOORE: Yes.
GUPTA: I mean you’re a filmmaker.
MOORE: It is free.
GUPTA: You know how to do this sort of thing.
MOORE: It is free.
GUPTA: You pay for it through taxes —
MOORE: It is free.
GUPTA: I mean, in France, there’s a 13.5 percent —
MOORE: Yes. We pay for it —
GUPTA: — payroll tax.
MOORE: We pay.”
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How about this exchange? Is it “free” or do we pay for it?
And notice how he has to keep interrupting to prevent Gupta from presenting his points. Even Larry had to ask him to stop!

WillPower on July 11, 2007 at 7:15 pm

Yes, the health care system in the US is really messed up; been there done that.
My only question for Mick Moore is
“What’s HIS co-pay?”
Oh, one more pregunata for Senior Moore;
“How many Tonks did you have to wait behind at the ER?”

LocalLawman on July 11, 2007 at 8:09 pm

That’s an appropriate picture of fatbof slipping on the latex glove so he can reach way up his fat ass and pull more shit out to make wasteful movies out of.
I wonder who’s going to foot his medical bills when he has a coronary or strokes out because his arteries are clogged up like a beaver stream from eating all that fast-food and fat-laden communist cuisine?

1shot1kill on July 12, 2007 at 8:56 am

Sadly, all of this meaningless sniping back and forth doesn’t change the fact that there are 45 million people in this country that doesn’t have health insurance. And to those people we live in the worst possible system because one illness or one accident can completely destroy their lives due to the high costs involved. Who cares what anybody thinks of Michael Moore personally or about his previous films. There is no question that there are serious problems with out health care system in this country (be it for the uninsured or that we have a for profit insurance system). If more people would focus on the message rather than the messenger then perhaps we can actually fix a problem in this country rather than yell insults from atop our respective soap boxes.

D*Rek on July 12, 2007 at 3:49 pm

D*rek-
Get a clue!
You will buy anything – propaganda works well on you, whether it’s from Mike Moron or the Muslims, you aren’t able to distinguish the truth.

CarpeDiem on July 12, 2007 at 8:25 pm

I can’t watch the video–Moore is too unsightly. With all his money, can’t he hire a minder to keep him from stuffing his face? He will have to get gastric by-pass soon. Do they do that surgery in Cuba?
Dreck: Will you stop being such a sob-sister? The losers who don’t have health insurance get their care at the ER.

lexi on July 12, 2007 at 11:53 pm

Lexi,
So 45 million Americans are “losers” because they can’t afford health insurance? I dare you to go tell that to some of the people who work 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet. I’m sure they’d be thrilled to hear you commentary.
Also, you are correct that they can go to the ER to get care, however what you are ignoring is what happens two weeks later when they get the bill for tens of thousands of dollars which devastates them financially.
CarpeDiem,
And likewise, you’ll buy anything a right wing pundit tells you to believe. I’m speaking from my own experiences with the health care industry.

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