I have three words to say to this…

STAGED TERROR ATTACK! Just you wait, you will hear about the CIA and global government.

Bob Porrazzo on January 12, 2010 at 2:43 pm

They demand we observe their religious injunctions but these mass-murdering hypocrites dispense with them when its convenient for them. And they consider themselves to be above the rules every one else lives by. And we don’t have a problem? Let the Feds and the FBI keep on telling us that.

Puhleeaze!

NormanF on January 12, 2010 at 3:06 pm

Okay, here’s a question. Let’s say all of that is true. Let’s say Muslim passengers are definitely more likely, etc etc…

What about those Arabs who aren’t? What about those who aren’t even Muslim? What about Arab Christians and Druze? Are you with Congressman Bartlett who proposes to keep Syrians and Iranians out of the US altogether? What about off planes?

I mean, Debbie, what really is the solution? Even if you’re all for racial (or religious) profiling, how is that fair to non-Muslims with Arabic names? Or people who just look Arab? Or citizens of Cuba, who are also affected by all of these new laws?

Genevieve on January 12, 2010 at 3:09 pm

Mohammed Abu Tahir. We’ll allow Muslims to immigrate here from Pakistan but we won’t admit Christians from over there. And we are surprised that so many of them share an antipathy to America. When it comes to jihad, America keeps on looking the other way.

NormanF on January 12, 2010 at 3:11 pm

Genevieve, I haven’t heard of Christians or Druze from Muslim countries do these things. They know who the Muslims are and their deep and abiding intolerance for any one who isn’t them. We know that Christian Arabs as a general rule, don’t have a commitment to jihad. That is a Muslim religious obligation. The real problem is we are averse to telling friend apart from foe in the name of political correctness. We now have very limited profiling in place but even that is too much for the usual suspects offended by the fact we want to see Americans stay alive than worry about someone’s hurt feelings. We do need profiling as a security tool because we live in a dangerous world.

NormanF on January 12, 2010 at 3:17 pm

UPDATE:

Fox 2 just reported the following incident:

Debbie, another Northwest Airlines flight was detained at Detroit Metro because four Muslims disrupted the flight. Flt 243 out of Amsterdam.

NWA and Amsterdam are fast becoming a joke… the jihadists’ favorite airline to fly. Nearly a month has passed and nothing has been done to fix the lax security in Amsterdam!

N: You’re late. I posted on it about an hour earlier than your comment. DS

NormanF on January 12, 2010 at 3:24 pm

The airlines should start giving code of conduct instructions on airplanes after the safety instructions. And they should make sure it is in arabic. In fact, they only need to give it in arabic.

I still think issuing everyone who boards an airplane a baseball bat is a good idea. If enough stupid ragheads get hit upside the head with a baseball bat, maybe they will stop their stupid crap, at least for a while.

Jarhead on January 12, 2010 at 3:31 pm

These serial disruptions are intended not just to desensitize us to their antics before the REAL attack, but also to show us who’s boss, that they can do whatever they want. As to Abu Tahir, it’s clear he needs to be declared persona non grata and shipped back to Pakistan. Enough with this crap!

Raymond in DC on January 12, 2010 at 4:04 pm

We don’t need profiling to identify Individuals like the Christmas-Day Bomber!

Virtually all media outlets are discussing whether we should be profiling all Arab Muslims; I will in the one-page explain why we don’t need profiling. Over 15 years ago, we at the Center for Aggression Management developed an easily-applied, measurable and culturally-neutral body language and behavior indicators exhibited by people who intend to perpetrate a terrorist act. This unique methodology utilizes proven research from the fields of psychology, medicine and law enforcement which, when joined together, identify clear, easily-used physiologically-based characteristics of individuals who are about to engage in terrorist activities in time to prevent their Moment of Commitment.

The Problem
Since the foiled terrorist attack by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian national on Northwest Flight 253 to Detroit, the President has repeatedly stated that there has been a systemic failure as he reiterates his commitment to fill this gap in our security. This incident, like the Fort Hood shooting, exemplifies why our government must apply every valid preventative approach to identify a potential terrorist.

The myriad methods to identify a terrorist, whether “no-fly list,” “explosive and weapons detection,” mental illness based approaches, “profiling” or “deception detection” – all continue to fail us. Furthermore, the development of deception detection training at Boston Logan Airport demonstrated that the Israeli methods of interrogation will not work in the United States.

All media outlets are discussing the need for profiling of Muslim Arabs, but profiling does not work for the following three reasons:

1. In practice, ethnic profiling tells us that within a certain group of people there is a higher probability for a terrorist; it does not tell us who the next terrorist is!

2. Ethnic profiling is contrary to the value our society places on diversity and freedom from discrimination based on racial, ethnic, religious, age and/or gender based criteria. If we use profiling it will diminish our position among the majority of affected citizens who support us as a beacon of freedom and liberty.

3. By narrowing our field of vision, profiling can lead to the consequence of letting terrorists go undetected, because the terrorist may not be part of any known “profile worthy” group – e.g., the Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh

The Solution
Our unique methodology for screening passengers can easily discern (independently of race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, age, and gender) the defining characteristics of human beings who are about to engage in terrorist acts.

The question is when will our government use true “hostile intent” through the “continuum of aggressive behavior” to identify potential terrorists? Only when observers focus specifically on “aggressive behavior” do the objective and culturally neutral signs of “aggression” clearly stand out, providing the opportunity to prevent these violent encounters. This method will not only make all citizens safer, but will also pass the inevitable test of legal defensibility given probable action by the ACLU.

As our Government analyzes what went wrong regarding Abdulmatallab’s entrance into the United States, you can be assured that Al Qaeda is also analyzing how their plans went wrong. Who do you think will figure it out first . . . ?

Visit our blog at http://blog.AggressionManagement.com where we discuss the shooting at Fort Hood and the attempted terrorist act on Flight 253.

John Byrnes on January 12, 2010 at 4:25 pm

Yessir, yessir, the CAIR lobby has spoken. Notice the stilted rigid language of “John’s” post. Typical of a Muslim whose native language is not English.

Well, duh, ethnic profiling is not compatible with diversity. Doesn’t that tell us something about diversity?

Well, duh, who said profiling is the only way we should be going after terrorists? No one said that we should disregard all other means. But I can sure see why these Islamic terrorists don’t like profiling. One white terrorist and slews of Islamic terrorists.

“If we use profiling it will diminish our position among the majority of affected citizens who support us as a beacon of freedom and liberty.”

–affected citizens — those must be the Muslims who are –affected — by profiling. They support us as a beacon of freedom and liberty? Well, maybe so. They come here and they know they have the freedom to plot terrorist actions, and the liberals and all too many conservatives say they sholdn’t be profiled, surveillance techniques shouldn’t be applied against them, they should have more political rights than the rest of us, — yes I can see where profiling might convince them that they will have less freedom and liberty here.

Duh, probability is exactly that; using probabilities, there is a — probability — that we will catch the next terrorist more efficiently than in the past. That is exactly what probability is.

Little Al on January 12, 2010 at 6:11 pm

Notice also how ‘John’ uses the ACLU test to validate the supposed legitimacy of his suggested approach. In other words, use the criterion of another enemy of our society, the ACLU whose activities are concentrated around the defense of enemies of America. Yessir, I think his approach will pass the ACLU test. What would pass my test is to round up the leaders of the ACLU, interrogate them by whatever means necessary to find out additional information about how the ACLU is aiding our enemies, i.e. the profiled Muslims.

Wait until someone is actually aggressive?

By the time the terrorist behaves aggressively it may well be too late. We have to stop these fanatics BEFORE they act aggressively, better yet,keep them out of the country, and when we catch some of these aspiring terrorists, interrogate them by whatever means necessary to learn what they and their buddies are planning.

Little Al on January 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm

One other thing — some of the commenters think that profiling isn’t ‘fair’.

What is profiling? Is it that horrible? Does it mean putting every profiled person in jail? Does it mean taking their money and taking their jobs away? No, it means more intensive and thorough security checks. If we know certain groups commit more terror, and individuals are part of those groups, that’s what has to happen. So the members of those groups would have to get to the airport earlier. Their countries do a lot worse to most of their citizens not to mention women, Jews or dissenters.

Just another example of the misplaced sense of entitlement that has developed at least since the 60s.

Little Al on January 12, 2010 at 7:19 pm

I think I need a double shot of tequila after reading this. This is so ridiculous that the MSM is now just going to ignore it. They know they cant win the argument and have just left the room. All liqoured up, maybe a version of “Muzzies Gone Wild” will appear on DVD.

CaliforniaScreaming on January 12, 2010 at 8:23 pm

Never mind racial profiling. We need to adopt the practices of the masters of profiling, the security at Israel airports. They do behavioral profiling. They ask off-the-wall questions and test the response. In America we pay a TSA screener minimum wage and tell him or her that they’re responsible for hundred million dollar jets, and millions of lives everyday.

“Did you pack your own luggage?”
“Yep.”
“Good enough,”

But wand the little child over there, she looks suspicious. Oh and the 89 year old half bent over with arthritis, he looks like trouble. But notice the Arabic looking gentleman, smelling of flower water and sweating profusely. There’s a wire sticking out of his backpack taped tightly to his body. Let him through in the name of “Diversity.”

Airplane explodes in the air, the Government wonders where the checks and balances failed, comes up with the clever idea that all passengers leave everything behind, knowing that won’t solve the problem. Then declare that the blowing up an airline has no connection to terrorism.

Problem, messing around with passenger aircraft *is* terrorism. But it’s more important to get re-elected than to do the job required. We know multiculturalism and diversity are up there with global warming mavens, so anything that wastes money, is cumbersome, and stupid is what matters. Solving the problem is not a priority. Keep the masses confused, while threading out the promises of entitlement that will not come to fruition. Then threaten with high taxes and loss of certain and increasing freedoms.

John on January 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm

Nothing wrong with layered security. When you have enemies that are trying to destroy us, why not have both behavioral profiling and Muslim profiling? They are not contradictory; they supplement each other. We’re a bigger country than Israel, more people, more airports and any and all methods that could be helpful should be used.

It is astonishing to me that with Muslim attack after Muslim attack, and Muslim disruption/dry run after Muslim disruption dry/run, there are so many comments, so many people who are so inventive in coming up with reasons against racial/religious profiling.

Little Al on January 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm

And it is extraordinarily naive to not realize that El Al has multiple, multiple, security procedures, including, yes, profiling, yes explosive checks, etc. etc. in addition to the psychological evaluations. I read that oversimplified article a few days ago too, and it is amazing that someone can read an oversimplified article, and, assuming it dovetails with their mindset, accept it uncritically, and regurgitate it almost like a switch being turned on. No wonder we are having debates about things that should have been settled as being obvious, well before 9/11.

Little Al on January 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm

This guy was shaving with a razor in flight? Way to go security.

SquareMileWife on January 13, 2010 at 3:57 am

the big attack is comming, this is nothing but a way to divert attention from other means of attack. whether it will be a truck, train or other form will not be known till CNN is covering the destruction caused by it.
At which time Chairman MaObama should be taken out and strung up like they did to Mussolini at the end of Italy’s alliance with Hitler

Martin Fee on January 13, 2010 at 7:03 am

lets start by hand cuffing all muslims getting on planes,and fed them bacon sandwichs,or just fly all muslim on a single airline piloted by muslims ,wiyh a fighter escort,if it dosen’t fly its flight plan dust it.

mark davis on January 13, 2010 at 8:31 am

With what was he shaving? How did he have a razor onboard an airplane?

Raymond on January 13, 2010 at 9:27 am

Ban all Muslims!

Winston Wallace on January 13, 2010 at 9:28 am

If any of these planes had been blown up mid-air, I suspect we would be told that there was no evidence of explosives. Just a tragic, random mechanical failure. The reason we know what happened on these flights is because citizens on the planes lived to tell, and they’re talking.

Bflo on January 13, 2010 at 9:35 am

Update: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_14201227
Shirtless, shaving airline passenger released on bond
A lawyer for Muhammed Abu Tahir says his client has no ties to terrorism and was on his way to Hong Kong when his flight was diverted in Colorado Springs because a flight crew believed he was a danger.

Tahir was planning to connect to Hong Kong once he arrived in San Francisco but the AirTran Airways flight never made it there.

Tahir’s lawyer, Ed Pluss, said Tahir was going to Hong Kong to buy fabric in order to start a business.

Tahir is a Pakistani national who moved to the U.S. in 2000 and obtained legal residency five years later, Pluss said. He lives in Virginia and has a wife and two children.

On Friday, U.S. Magistrate Judge Kathleen Tafoya released Tahir on $10,000 bond and told him he cannot fly as a condition of his release.

“Having read the complaint I find you have lost your privilege – under bond at least – to fly,” Tafoya said. “It’s just too frightening for too many people.”

Tahir is charged with interference with a flight crew, including an allegation he grabbed a flight attendant who was trying to get him out of the airplane bathroom. He was arrested in Colorado Springs on Jan. 8 because the flight crew believed he was being disruptive during a flight from Atlanta to San Francisco.

An FBI affidavit says that Tahir had several airplane-size bottles of wine and then locked himself in the bathroom. At times, Tahir was seen shaving with his shirt off and also throwing his shoes out of the lavatory.

Authorities did find he had a razor with disposable blades.

Tahir, who has no criminal history, faces up to 20 years in prison if he is convicted of the crime, but he could also get probation depending on the circumstances of the case.

He is due back in court Feb. 2 for a status hearing.

W: You’re a little late. I wrote about this earlier in the week. You gotta read me every day.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/15253/hmm-sound-like-just-a-drunk-passenger-named-muhammad-to-you/
DS

wtd on January 16, 2010 at 1:04 am

It’s really sad he smoked his genitals….Now he won’t be any good to the 72 virgins. (G) Will these virgins have burkas?

Frank Johnson on February 6, 2010 at 9:40 pm