The “Peter Principle” is alive and well in ICE, as well as the management of most Federal agencies. And since “Peppermint Patty” is at the top of the heap, she has achieved the nirvana of incompetence.

Codekeyguy on June 1, 2007 at 7:31 pm

Oh, and the saga continues…. PP is up to her shananagans agains. Besides these town hall meetings coming up, reports from Los Angeles is she is on a mission to find out who is leaking info to the production company for “Crossing Over” and the funny thing about it she doesn’t have to look too far. Kevin had only a few cronies when he left. LA ICE can’t wait for her visit that town hall, like many, it will become heated. Agents are tired, demoralized, and rock bottom has hit. I get to work for Kevin’s crony, the same one that got promoted because of him, the same one that was by his side day (and night?), the same one that went on details with him to play golf, couldn’t right a memo to save her life, all this while he was her supervisor, oh yeah, and she has the nastiest temper. And the tragedy continues…

ICE4EVER on June 1, 2007 at 8:06 pm

Who says ICE morale is at an “all-time low”? Maybe a few disgruntled agents who post on your website, but don’t speak for all of us Debbie Schlussel. There are some SAC offices where agents for the most part are allowed to work in the groups they want, where DRO handles ALL admin and police calls, and agents are able to work very good and complex criminal cases. I am sick and tired of seeing some agents slam ICE for being a bottomless pit of hell. Could things be better in some areas? Of course. Name one agency where they could not use improvements, and I will apply tomorrow. But for the most part, my career with ICE has been mostly positive. Don’t ask me why some SAC offices are so bad, and some are a lot better. Maybe that has to do with upper management, maybe it has to do with management at that specific SAC office. But whatever the reason, keep in mind that when you write ICE morale is at an all-time low, you do not speak for all of us.

lsellers on June 1, 2007 at 9:08 pm

To Isellers,,,,, holy shit,, that has to be one of the worst post I have ever read. You must be both deaf and blind if you think that moral ISNT at the bottom. You must work directly for those “cool cats” up in HQ. You are the SPIN MASTER baby.

kcrat on June 1, 2007 at 9:47 pm

Hello Debbie,
Thank-you for exposing the various problems at ICE. Like many other senior agents from both legacy agencies, I desperately want ICE to be a better investigative entity. With our current moral lower then slim on a slug, I donít see it happening any time some. Please keep up the pressure for us agents in the trenches who want to serve the American public. We all took an oath because we wanted to help. Your are doing us a great service by unmasking the @#!$ in our midst.

MMA4LIFE on June 1, 2007 at 10:44 pm

LSELLERS – Whether you are legacy this or that is irrelevant, but you are definitely NOT paying attention! If Debbie isn’t speaking for you, friend then you are most decidedly in the minority

RammerJammer on June 1, 2007 at 11:21 pm

To Isellers: You live under a rock or what? Better yet, maybe you are at some po-dunk office with 3 agents and 4 DRO officers, better, better, yet, you are PP. Go back under your rock at HQ, don’t bother insulting us with Town Hall meetings. You want to know what’s wrong with ICE, then read this site and others on the internet, because the truth hurts. Pathetic.

ICE4EVER on June 1, 2007 at 11:42 pm

lsellers, you must be the sac or dsac or some other golden child in sac la. morale sucks because agents have to park their cars several blocks away and walk to the office even if it’s pouring rain while the managers get to park in the basement underneath; agents are NOT asked where they want to work in, management decides for them; promotions are not based on experience and qualifications, but how scabbed up one’s knees are; training is non-existent; managemnt gets the newest SUVs, while agents have to drive the clunkers; agents are required to submit 514s for simple stuff like a oil change for their clunkers.

rivfedup on June 2, 2007 at 12:47 am

Isellers, Identify your office or STFU.

Rastis P. Rulz on June 2, 2007 at 12:56 am

Hey, no need to flame Isellers…I am sure that somewhere there is a place where DRO handles all the wets and you can work where you want. I bet its the same place those cool dudes pictured jumping from the Blackhawk with mean looking stares ‘n bitchin AUG rifles are always doing raids on scumbags…And, hey, I bet there’s beaucoup cash to pay CI’s and you get to ride around like Sonny from Miami VIce in a swell UC convertible instead of a 1992 POS…Ooooo, OOOooom and I bet that the SAC is like this cool guy who acts like he’s not cool, but he looks like that old dude from Law and Order and he’s always getting all cranky when you bring him a shitstorm case, but then he’s always got your back and he won’t knife you behind your back like in most SAC Offices. And your co-workers are cool dudes like on The Shield, not Retired On Duty nuclear weapons (very expensive, can never be fired)lazy ass clowns that can’t write an ROI to save their life but can be saved from (INSERT ASSORTED FUCKUP HERE) without having anything happen to them…Oh, Hey Isellers, where can I find the name to that bad ass SAC? Is it right next to the “Transfer to the FBI” forms? Hello?

CapitalistPig on June 2, 2007 at 1:28 am

Oh and I almost forgot, your SAC is like this old dude who was slamming maggots on the pavement when you were still in diapers, but he’s like, an old dude now, and he can’t move as fast but he’s like all cool with you slappin someone around when they need it cuz he remembers what it was like to strap on a gun to his side and go do the Lord’s work instead of some paper-pushing bureaucrat who only gets papercuts but they get all pissy when you don’t put a cover on your TPS reports. Or worse, a POLITICAL APPOINTEE whose only real qualification to head your agency was to be a member of the Lucky Sperm club and have been born related to/working with Chertoff….

CapitalistPig on June 2, 2007 at 1:38 am

ICE4EVER – You had me at hello. Well, except when you say that someone “couldn’t right a memo to save her life”. Listen, this is a blog and all, but if you’re going to hammer someone on their writing skills, you may want to use the right form of the word. Like, “writing” as a vern instead of “right” as an adjective or adverb.

SPLICE on June 2, 2007 at 3:05 am

Debbie,
I doubt you will allow this comment to post, because it does not agree with your point of view, but I thought I would take a few moments to disagree with you. I would like to applaud lsellers for his/her courage to post, knowing that it is mostly the coconuts that read this blog. Keep the faith brother; right will win the day.
First of all, I am a plank holder with ICE Office of Investigations, and prior to the creation of DHS and ICE, I was a U.S. Customs Special Agent. I am proud of that fact, just as many legacy INS Special Agents are justifiably proud of where they came from.
I have the pleasure of working with some tremendously talented legacy Immigration Special Agents and legacy Customs Special Agents. These fine men and women did not ask for this either, and I can tell you that while many of them are not happy with everything that ICE has become, most of them are glad they have real law enforcement leadership for the first time in their careers. I am not talking about the political appointees, but from the Deputy Assistant Secretary on down, the people that are leading this agency are career employees; Special Agents that have been there, and done that. This was never the case for my former INS brothers and sisters. Not their fault, it was just the way it was.
None of us asked to be merged into the Department of Homeland Security, but I have always seen the glass as half-full, and I am determined to make the best of whatever hand I am dealt. I believe that ICE will one day be the strong, well respected agency that Customs once was, and INS always deserved to be. It will not happen during my career, but one day. We have come a long way since the merger, and yes there is still much to do.
Your constant picking at our Director, Marcy M. Forman is irritating, no doubt your intent, and the childish nick-names you keep using may get you readers, but they certainly do not help your credibility. It is clear you love the spotlight, never failing to alert your readers to the next mainstream media appearance. I wonder if Rush Limbaugh will quote your blog on some of this nonsense, or Chris Matthews will invite you to appear on Hardball to discuss your habit of bashing people for the sake of bashing people. I guess when you do not have anything good (or true) to say, you can always fall back on name calling. My guess is you have always picked on people that you know can not or will not fight back. You know that ICE/OI would be perceived as validating your blog if they responded to your constant attacks, so you keep on and on and on. Pitiful.
What you do not know, is that Marcy Forman cares deeply about the success of ICE/OI, and works tirelessly in an effort to make ICE/OI the agency that she knows it can become. Marcy Forman is not a political appointee like others you throw rocks at. She is smart, experienced, and very capable. You do not know this, because your quote unquote sources are the disenfranchised/marginalized few that report to you what someone told them that they overheard someone else say which is more often than not, factually incorrect.
What you do not know, is that it is not unusual for Marcy to work five, six, even seven 12-14 hour days a week for the good of this agency. Do you really think she likes to work this hard? She too has a family and I am sure she would rather spend her time with them. But she knows how important it is to get it right, and there is nobody else to do it.
We (ICE/OI) inherited this mess called Immigration enforcement, and if you were objective, and cared about the truth, you would see that great things are happening at ICE. ICE Detention and Removal has assumed responsibility for the ACAP program, which will allow Special Agents more time to investigate, which is what we have been hired and trained to do. What you do not know is that this was at first projected to take ten years to accomplish, and we have done it in four. You would not want to report this success.
More illegal aliens are being arrested and removed than ever. More importantly, the employers of these illegal aliens are being targeted, vigorously for the first time, for criminal and civil sanctions, effectively taking the incentive away from illegal aliens that come here for employment. Millions of dollars from these employers are being forfeited, and when you hit these companies in the wallet, they tend to listen. It will not happen overnight, but worksite enforcement will work when the employers fear that we are coming after them next.
Many ICE initiatives have been tremendously successful, but again, overlooked by you and the crybabies you are pandering to. Operation Predator and Operation Community Shield have been huge successes that have received a great deal of national praise and more importantly have contributed to safer communities, as child predators and illegal alien gang members are taken out of the equation. Would not want to talk about those, would we? ICE Special Agents are still making great dope, fraud, and strategic cases, while we pursue the immigration violations that you are always popping off about. It is true Debbie; we can chew gum and walk at the same time.
Marcy and her staff are fighting off the other agencies, that continue to attack our authorities, and she is being successful. You would not know this, or would not write about it if you did, because you certainly would not want to give credit where credit is due.
We are not perfect and never said we were, but we are damn sure trying to do the right thing, all while you and the naysayers (many posting on this thread) throw bottles and rocks from the sidelines. I doubt your arms will ever get tired, so fire away, but while you are engaged in silly name calling, and spinning rumors out to fuel the disenchanted, the rest of us will continue doing whatever we can to make this agency the best it can be, because this great country deserves nothing less.
Have some courage Debbie, print the truth. I dare you.
E.V.S. (Ever Vigilant Sheepdog)

EverVigilentSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 7:38 am

Thanks for the support EverVigilantSheepdog. To the rest of the crybabies, FU!!!! My opinion is just that, my opinion. I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else posting on THIS site, only the majority of the fellow agents I work with in MY office, and with which I have discussed the postings on this site at length. No I don’t work in a “po-dunk” office ICE4EVER, and I will identify my office Rastis Ruiz just as soon as all the other posters identify theirs. And I sure as hell am not PP, and have no idea where HQ is (except that it is in DC somewhere). I am not trying to defend upper management in any capacity. Sure there are a lot of things that could be done better. I am just providing a different opinion, and if you don’t like it, tough S##T!! Thinks are not as bad in MY office as apparently they are in others. If you other guys and gals really can’t do the job that you want, there is one simple solution. LEAVE!!!!! There are plenty of state and local agencies that need good people. And you won’t make near as much money, you will be in harm’s way a whole lot more, and you will see that almost ALL law enforcement agencies have problems similiar to ICE, and some much worse. I speak of this from personal experience. I didn’t come to ICE straight out of college, or after some cushy internship. I worked for local departments for 10 years before getting this job, and I am damned thankful for it. So don’t accuse me of sticking up for HQ, because that is not my intention.

lsellers on June 2, 2007 at 8:12 am

Isellers,
You and I may work out of the same office. LOL We damn sure seem to be in the minority here, but I think that’s because the agents that are pulling the wagon are busy doing the lords work, or have to get pissed (like I did) in order to take the time to respond.
Seems as if most of the crybabies on here work in the SAC/LA office, though I know there are some whineybutts in SAC/NY too. They are getting a new SAC real soon though, and hopefully the morale will pick up.
Keep the faith brother, it is still a great job, but it’s all what you make it.
Work Safe

EverVigilentSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 8:31 am

EVS and Isellers-
You say “More illegal aliens are being arrested and removed than ever. More importantly, the employers of these illegal aliens are being targeted, vigorously for the first time, for criminal and civil sanctions, effectively taking the incentive away from illegal aliens that come here for employment.”
If that is the case, why is the public not aware of it? For instance here in the Washington suburbs, there are still day laborer sites all over with employers picking up illegal aliens to do work. It is funny that even though ICE is headquartered in Washington, nobody notices these things.
If you are actually interested in enforcing our immigration laws, I expect you will be interested and do something about a certain area in Fairfax County where there are literally 400-500 aliens every morning along a stretch of a road looking for day jobs. They are hardly in the shadows. They even have ringleaders and protectors who get commissions for getting them employment.
I challenge you to please do something about it. Numerous citizens have complained. You have my email address and I can report exactly where it is. Since you are convinced ICE is enforcing immigration laws, I’m sure something will be done about it soon.
Let’s test how effective ICE is. If something is actually done about it, we can believe your statement above. If not (which it won’t), we will know what you say is nonsense.
You say: “Operation Predator and Operation Community Shield have been huge successes that have received a great deal of national praise and more importantly have contributed to safer communities, as child predators and illegal alien gang members are taken out of the equation.”
So why aren’t they deported and why do we still have such an MS-13 problem here in Northern Virginia with repeat offenders who are illegal aliens? Again this is the area where ICE is headquartered, and you guys don’t notice?

Gabe on June 2, 2007 at 8:44 am

I knew it was only a matter of time before the “Kool-Aid drinkers” would respond, speak up, and tow the company line. It’s just nice to hear the malcontents screaming louder!!!
To EverVigilentSheepdog,
Spend a week in SAC/LA and SAC/NY and your opinion will change quick. If you’re already there, go get your ASAC a cup of coffee.
This blog is great.

CaliSun57 on June 2, 2007 at 8:50 am

CaliSun57,
Why is it when you are confronted with facts, you always resort to name calling i.e. “Kool-Aid drinkers”? If you don’t have anything original to say, don’t say it, and nobody will know that you have no thoughts of your own.
Gabe,
Day-Laborers are unfortunately, way down on ICE’s priority list. Think about it like this: If your police department in Virginia was focused on jaywalkers and people that litter, while murders, rapes, home invasions and aggravated assaults were going unchecked, you’d probably have a problem with it. Like your police department, ICE has finite resources, and they must be applied against the biggest threat, to get the most “bang for the buck”. In time, we’ll get to the day laborers, we just can’t do it first.
MS-13 gangbangers however, are front and center. If you truly know where MS-13 gangbangers are, I’d ask you to reach out to the SAC/DC, and give them specifics. I know that my office would react, and right now, if we had information concerning the wherabouts of MS-13 types. Get involved, and help us erradicate these vermin from our communities.
EVS

EverVigilentSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 9:08 am

Thanks, EVS, for the response. I do appreciate what you guys do.
But I think a better analogy would be speeders, rather than jaywalkers. The Fairfax County police have a limited amount of resources. But they still can focus on murders, rapes, gangbangers, vandalism, etc. while at the same time focusing effectively those who speed on roads.
ICE, on the other hand, seems to not be interested at all on those who enter our country illegally to work.
In any case, what resources would it take to round up day laborers and deport them back to Mexico? It seems pretty simple. Check immigration status; round them up; put them on plane. It shouldn’t more than a couple of days to do that.
The day laborer issue is actually a national security issue. We have such a flood of day laborers coming across the border that it is extremely easy for terrorists, drug dealers, etc. to slip in with this huge volume of traffic. They don’t stand out.
I have a well-educated Eritrean coworker who is here legally. He said that our southern border is so vulnerable that many Africans now know the best way to come to America is to slip across the southern border and are coming to America this way. How many terrorists have done that?
This is why the day laborer issue is actually a national security issue.

Gabe on June 2, 2007 at 9:40 am

Gabe,
Your point is valid, and trust me we know that the flood continues across the southern border.
The sooner the Customs and Border Protection BP Agents are allowed to actually start catching as many as they can, vs “sitting on the X’s” the better we’ll all be. BP prior to the creation of DHS were able to sell a bill of goods to Congress, stating that “sitting on X’s” deterred illegal aliens from coming into the country, thus congress gave them tons of money and more FTE’s to do it. The only way they could sell this BS to congress was if their “catch numbers” were way down.
Meanwhile, the interior of the country is innundated with illegal aliens that simply walk around the X’s. Phoenix, AZ was and is at critical mass due to this failed border patrol strategy.
In my office we do pick up groups of illegals hanging on the street corners looking for work, but only when we don’t have anything else pressing, and someone in the community or local law enforcement complain that they are creating a hazard.
We often find criminal aliens in these groups, but not always. Most of them are removed, not deported, and when we catch them the next time, they’ll get to stand in front of an Immigration Judge and then they’ll get deported. When we catch them the third time, we can get them some time behind bars before they are deported again, if we can get the U.S. Attorney to work with us (doesn’t always work).
I know it sounds crazy, but it’s the system we all have to work with.
Thanks for your thoughts Gabe. The rank and file out here are doing the best we can, with the hand we’ve been dealt.
EVS

EverVigilentSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 9:59 am

Gabe,
I agree with you 100%. However, as EVS has stated, we have to prioritize what we can and can’t do. It is not just as simple as picking an illegal alien up and deporting him/her. There are so many waivers and benefits that are available under our current immigration laws that an illegal can “hang around” for years before they are finally ordered removed. And the only group of people who can change that is Congress. But just look at the stats now with ICE as compared to the former INS, and you will see movement in the right direction. And that’s not “drinking the Kool-Aid” as CaliSun57 has stated, that’s just a fact.

lsellers on June 2, 2007 at 10:50 am

Let’s look at what we know:
CBPs first boss was Bonner, who was politically connected, and now a man who ran the Secret Service. ICE ended up with Garcia, who gave the barn away. Then we ended up with our current undersecretary, who has never been a law enforcement officer. Just because a person is or was an attorney doesnít mean they know how to run a law enforcement agency. Both of ICEs undersecretaries are proof of that.
CBP ended up with most of the assets Customs OI needed to do the job. OI ended up with DROÖWhich agency is better equipped?
Letís face it; very few legacy Customs agents are happy. We didnít sign-on to work immigration cases. There is no reason for legacy INS agents to not be happy. They received great pay raises, an educated and willing workforce, not just seasoned BPAs that were promoted to INS investigations, and some credibility with other law enforcement agencies. However, the typical INS agent had reasons to be sour. The immigration policy in this country is tragic. For every reason to kick someone out there seems to be a reason to let them stay. Why bother??? Those ICE agents recently graduating from the academy donít know any better. They should be happy.
Some say ìleave the agency if it is so badî. Thatís not that easy and rather ignorant of those who say to leave.
Why should Ms. Forman be forced to fight to keep ICEís investigative area? Is it because we have weak political appointments? If so, then they should be dismissed. From Chertoff right on down to Meyers. It seems rather sad that she is forced to do that, assuming what was typed is correct.
DHS was a knee jerk reaction by an administration and congress that was trying to reassure the public. ICE is an embarrassing name and a whipping boy for the FBI. Why havenít people stopped to ask themselves or Congress why the FBI and CIA arenít in DHS? After all, they are the ìintelligenceî agencies that are responsible for ìhomeland securityî. Customs had nothing to do with the failures prior to 9/11, yet the agency paid a heavy price (being dissolved and merged with the INS) and the FBI walks away unscathed.

mgofca on June 2, 2007 at 11:30 am

The Pig thinks that EVS should learn how to spell his name correctly before he gives golden boys a bad name. Vigilant is not spelled with an E.

CapitalistPig on June 2, 2007 at 11:34 am

mgofca,
You make a lot of valid points, and many that I agree with. Director Forman has no control over who her “appointed” bosses are though, and she and her staff are doing the best they can, and winning mind you, at fighting off the bastards that would love to have the authorities that are ours.
There is no question in my mind that DHS was created as a knee-jerk, but again, until it changes, I’m going to do the best I can with what I have. Remember, I also came up in the federal law enforcement agency that was the envy of all others, the U.S. Customs Service. I just think there is a time to mourn, and a time to get over it.
As for you Pig, I’m trying to change the spelling, as I know it’s incorrect (check my first post), but it seems that once you’ve signed in, you are locked in.
Now do you have something intelligent to contribute, or are you just throwing rocks?
I’m glad there are some intelligent posters out there (gabe, Isellers, mgofca), and it appears we’ve run the “disgruntles” underground. Guess they can’t stand the heat.

EverVigilentSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 12:09 pm

If you think things aren’t bad, check this out; I requested that HR calculate my retirement figures in March. I may opt to go at the end of this year. They recently told me that they haven’t had time to run my figures because they are so far behind due to so many people that are planning an early retirement and leaving this year. Ten years ago very few people took the early out. Most all Customs employees stayed until they were close to mandantory. Now everyone’s leaving as soon as they are eligible. I get the feeling that the ICE administration has issued orders to try to force the old guys out. They can save money and forcefeed the kool aid to the young guys. Also a lot of the current managers know they don’t know as much about investigations as the senior 13s, so they are happy to see us go.

longshanks on June 2, 2007 at 1:30 pm

“Now everyone’s leaving as soon as they are eligible” is not true everywhere longshanks. I’ve been eligible for over a year and a half, and I’m still working. There are many in my SAC office in the same boat.
Contrary to what you may think, nobody wants the experienced agents to leave, but when they do, we wish them the best. It’s all we can do. The new ICE agents, with no baggage on either side, are the future of this agency though. It’s our job to create an agency they can be proud of, and an agency that their sons and daughters will want to join, just like it was in Customs.
What aggravates me is the fact that DRO can get their promotion selections accomplished faster than we in OI can, and consequently, we’re losing a lot of talent to DRO.

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 1:39 pm

No, I think the disgruntled people are still here. And why are we disgruntled, let me count the ways. Most recently, the ICE Job Fair Poster, the rumor debunker squad, the ICE Success and “tie” memos and the steady flow of scary rumors that come out of HQ.
Although the ICE Success memo indicates there is money now for acting G/Ss, what about the handful of agents who acted in the NY office for anywhere from 6 months to over 18 months and got NOTHING!!!!!!! Watching several agents get walked out of the office and seeing the person who oversaw that whole operation get an acting DSAC job was a real morale booster.
But all is well, suits and ties will fix everything and to further threaten agents with disciplinary action for failing the fashion test will really straighten things out.
If Director Forman does in fact visit the field office, it will be interesting to see if the agents are instructed on what or WHAT NOT to say.

ICEDover on June 2, 2007 at 1:46 pm

ICEDover,
I can’t answer all of your questions, but I will try to shed a little light for you.
First of all, I consider the ICE Job Fair Poster a win. A win, you say? DHS was responsible for that poster. All of us at ICE instantly recognized how screwed up it was, and I know with absolute certainty, that Director Forman took this fight to the AS.
By COB the same day, an apology was issued and nothing happens that fast in DC. That my friend is leadership. Shouldn’t have happened in the first place I agree, and our Director certainly has more important work to do, but she knew it was important to you and I and she stepped up to the plate. If everyone could put their rocks and bottles down for a minute you’ll be able to applaud better. LOL Just an idea.
The rumor debunking squad is more Schlussel nonsense. She hears something, and it must be about her. Hogwash!!
The real truth is there are a ton of rumors running rampant in the workplace, and it looks like our Director has decided to do something about it. Good for her, good for us. That’s all it is, no squad, no patrol, just a simple email, calling bullshit by it’s proper name. Way overdue in my view.
If you are worried about DEA taking over all of our drug investigations, as some have said, wouldn’t you like to hear the truth from the Director? I know I would. Or that the FBI is taking this or that?
I know information is power, only when it’s shared, and I’m glad that the leadership at ICE HQS has decided to put some of these rumors where they belong.
I’m not threatened in the least by the dress code memo for I’m a professional, and I know when to wear a tie and when it’s OK not to. It’s sad that a memo like this is necessary in the first place.
I’m not in the NY office so I can’t speak to the fact that you or your buddies didn’t get acting GS pay. Some in my office did, and others didn’t, depending on when they acted.
I do know that the SAC NY is about to have an outstanding Special Agent in Charge, and my hope is that the agents will allow him to demonstrate his leadership skills, before the rocks and bottles start.
Stay Safe,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 3:16 pm

EVS,
I agree with you that we should not engage in ad hominem attacks. Unfortunately, you used this type of illogical argument on Ms. Schlussel for her commentaries on Director Forman in your first email.
I read your comments, and I believe that you also want ICE to be a better agency. We have common ground. Unlike you, I am not in upper management or currently assigned to headquarters. I am simply a peon working cases in the field. My major irritation with ICE is the lack of delegating and empowering of employees. A good leader trains and entrusts his subordinates to make the right decisions. Since the merger, I believe this has not been the case and micromanaging has become the norm. I will give you a minor example. The Code of Federal Regulations authorizes group supervisors the authority to sign administrative subpoenas and administrative arrest warrants. Since the merger, only ASACs and above can sign administrative subpoenas in our SAC territory. Simply put, a GS is allowed to deprive the liberty of an alien with the stroke of a pen, yet in order for him to obtain the apartment lease on the same alien, he has to get the subpoena signed by the ASAC or DSAC.
I am happy that you are posting to this site. It is adding a different perspective to our discussion. We might not agree, but we are still brothers in blue who proudly salute the same flag.

MMA4LIFE on June 2, 2007 at 3:34 pm

Well EVS, I appreciate your attention and your optimism, but let me correct you on a few things. First off, I personally READ the email from the individual in HQ requesting that all “rumors” be gathered and forwarded to HQ, so please dont tell me that the “rumor debunker” patrol is nothing but a rumor. I still have the email.
Second, relative to the ICE Job Fair poster, it has been my experience that anything that goes outside an agency like ICE must be approved by several people at numerous levels. Someone should have caught the ICE placement on that poster long before it was printed and distributed. As an aside, DHS is still pushing MaxHR (or whatever its called today), even though most are against it.
Third, based on the number of people I have spoken to in different offices, the paying of AGS’s seems to be the exception, not the rule.
The dress code memo was insulting in its wording and its timing was abysmal!!
As for the new SAC, I have heard nothing but good things about him. We just have to wait and see what (if anything) happens.
Almost a score of years working for the G and seeing this stuff going on….. it’s quite disheartening.

ICEDover on June 2, 2007 at 3:41 pm

I’m trying to keep up guys. 🙂
First, for MMA4LIFE, I know that there has been some increased scrutiny from HQS, particularly in WSE investigations. Worksite cases have always been controversial, and the political “interest” in these cases is intense. We barely have the handcuffs shut when we’re being asked to report the results to HQS so they can brief the case up the foodchain. I’m hopeful this will ease up some once we’re all reading out of the same playbook.
As far as the delegation, or lack of same, on administrative subpoenas; do you see this adversely impacting your investigations, or is it just the hassle of having to get an ASAC or DSAC to sign off? I haven’t noticed a problem in this area where I work. If it’s seriously impacting your investigations, I wouldn’t let an opportunity go by where I didn’t bring it up. One man’s opinion.
You are so correct when you said we are brothers in blue, saluting the same flag. We’ll persevere, and at the end of the day, bad guys will go to jail, and we’ll go home to our families, God willing.
ICEDover,
I’m familiar with the process that led to the email you refer to, and I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that there is no “rumor debunking patrol”.
If you’ll re-read the memo you say you still have, you’ll see that it asks the DSACS and SACS to reach out to the supervisors, and the troops (including you) to gather up the rumors, however ridiculous they may seem, so they can be addressed by the Director, Office of Investigations.
Yes, the idea is to debunk the rumors when possible, so as to take the air out of the sail, so to speak. What, pray tell, is wrong with that? As I said earlier, wouldn’t you like to hear it from the Director, when something is bothering you, that you think might or might not be true, concerning the future of this agency?
The jobfair poster was put out by the office of the Human Capital Office at DHS, and if you’ll recall, the apology came from the Assistant Secretary of that office. ICE didn’t see it until it was too late. Believe it or not, it’s the truth.
I know of a couple of acting GS’s getting paid “acting” pay in my SAC office, but can’t speak to the other SAC offices. It’s the right thing to do, if we have the money…no question.
And lastly on the dress code memo; if you read the memo in it’s entirety, it does provide flexibility for the SAC’s to decide what is appropriate for his or her area.
If your SAC wants ties, you’ll have to wear a tie, or be able to articulate why you aren’t wearing one on that particular day.
I have confidence in the agents that I work for and with, that we’ll adapt to this with no problem. Those of us that remember the Ray Kelly era adjusted, and we’ll do it again. This too will pass.
We used to say in Customs “the only thing that was constant, was change”. What’s new?
Be safe my brothers,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 4:18 pm

The dress code memo was put out for one reason only. It gives ICE an avenue to punish their Agents. Its no different than putting your hours into TECS. Its just an additional way to put the clamps on you if you do something to piss off your local management.
I have been asking that same question since this jackass agecy was created.
If we are “THE” main investigative arm for DHS, then why in the hell are we fighting off other agencies when it comes to our investigative powers. Shit, we should be knocking on their doors and asking why we arent doing more of what they do.
There is only one answer for this….. We are looked at as an immigration agency , and only an immigration agency. Like it or not, whenever that word is associated with your agency: YOU GET NO RESPECT FROM OTHERS. If this agency wants the respect it demands, then get rid of the word immigration from ICE. Nobody ever listens to the words, ‘Customs Enforcement’, once immigration hits their brains. Its a damn slap in the face for most of us to ever have to utter that damn word.

kcrat on June 2, 2007 at 5:29 pm

kcrat,
What makes you think ICE wants or needs an “avenue to punish their Agents”? That’s the craziest thing I ever heard!
The disciplinary process is the last thing ICE management wants to spend it’s time in. If you don’t know this, you need to spend some time as a supervisor. Sometimes it’s necessary, to correct behavior, but it’s never something anyone looks forward too.
“An additional way to put the clamps on you if you do something to piss off your local management”.
If you are doing your job, as a professional, why would anyone in your local management be pissed at you? I don’t work in this kind of environment, thank GOD!!
We are, without question, the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security.
You don’t demand respect however, you earn it. That’s my job, and it’s also your job. You do that by the way you do your cases, and how you treat people. If you do the quality cases, as we always have, the rest of the agencies will have to run to catch up.
I’ll put the agents I work with every day up against any agents from any other agency, and we’ll come out ahead, every time. It’s not about who screams the loudest, it’s who brings the quality cases to the table.
The discussion to change the name of ICE to Investigations and Criminal Enforcement continues, but it takes legislation to accomplish this change. Where I work, all we have to say is “ICE” and the public and our law enforcement partners know who we are.
It’s our responsibility to educate and lead this transition, and it’s been four years hasn’t it? About time we move on, I’d say.
Stay safe,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 7:35 pm

EverVigilantSheepdog,
Sorry, go get Marcy a cup of coffee, stir it with your tie, mix in a little nepotism, and top it off with a little brown from your nose.
How’s that for original!!!

CaliSun57 on June 2, 2007 at 9:27 pm

I must have missed the Kool-Aid that’s being passed out. Let’s discuss some facts, not rumors:
Why is the Cyber Crime Center being right-sized? Why did they eliminate a Section Chief of the computer forensic section and merge the entire computer forensics section with a separate division?
All crime nowadays is being committed using some sort of electronic device that utilizes some sort of digital media, so why minimize the Cyber Crime Center? Under Customs, C3 was a crown jewel, and now it has become an after thought.
We gave away Air and Marine Ops, what’s next? Give away C3??? I guess that would put more people on the front lines to help process aliens claiming amnesty!

ICEAGENT on June 2, 2007 at 9:31 pm

CaliSun57,
You crack me up. It’s hard to believe that it’s taken you all day to come up with that little nugget. Did you contact Debbie for some insight? How funny. Don’t mean to hurt your feelings, but I’d rather respond to people that have something to say.
ICEAGENT,
I don’t know anything about C-3 other than they are still doing some great work. I agree with your statement that C3 was a crown jewel for Customs.
We never “gave away Air and Marine Ops”, it was ripped away, while we were struggling to get our feet under us. Damn shame. I was always of the opinion that each Air Branch should be under the umbrella of the SAC Office on who’s turf it was located. My buddies at Air never agreed with me then, but I bet they would now, when they are spending all their flying hours supporting BP missions.
Unfortunately for us, CBP and USBP remained intact (read strong) during the transition (except for a new patch on their uniforms), and while we were dealing with creating a new agency, with all the finacial woes of the early days, CBP got the attention of the Secretary, and the rest is history. Pissed me off too brother.
No Kool-Aid just Truth,
Work Safe,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 2, 2007 at 10:26 pm

Hey SPLICE,
What’s a “vern”, oh wait you made a mistake.
ICE4EVER – You had me at hello. Well, except when you say that someone “couldn’t right a memo to save her life”. Listen, this is a blog and all, but if you’re going to hammer someone on their writing skills, you may want to use the right form of the word. Like, “writing” as a vern instead of “right” as an adjective or adverb.
Yeah SPLICE, you got me, I used “right” instead of “write” oops, I am human, apologies. Next time SPLICE, to be frank, “shut the FU”. You must be a crony of the LA supervisors I mentioned previously. I am the one stuck working for the “English as a second language” GS-15, good for nothing, dumb as a rock, manager, she should be demoted.
Other than that, have a good day.

ICE4EVER on June 2, 2007 at 11:02 pm

EVS,
C3 is being right-sized before your very eyes. They forced the Section Chief of Computer Forensics out, and then eliminated his position. Other 14’s are being hauled back downtown on asinine details that have nothing to do with people’s expertise. You’d think that Cyber Crime would be of greater emphasis in the 21st century, but apparently not at ICE.
I didn’t see anyone at ICE putting up much of a fight over losing Air and Marine. Rather than fix our budget, we just laid down while CBP stripped it from us, and went along with the “Oh well, at least our budget will be easier to balance without them”.

ICEAGENT on June 2, 2007 at 11:07 pm

What is happening here is HQ ICE’s campaign of “spin doctors” on this site who are desperately trying to calm the fury and anger that this this site (by telling it like it is) has perpetuated.

ICE4EVER on June 2, 2007 at 11:10 pm

My Bre,
We, the malcontents and ne’erdowells, have been infiltrated by ICE HQ’s version of Hans Goebbles, or, a wolf in sheepdog’s clothing. Who the hell do you think you are trying to BS? We are mostly investigators here, and I hope we all can smell it when it’s dealt to us. ICE’s upper management has ‘been there, done that’? You have got to be sh#tting me! John P. and Marcy bagging some badguys in the beltway are they? Maybe that street-hardened Julie Meyers is rolling in code 3 to back ’em up! I’m sorry, but the absurdity level here has gone through the roof. EVS, or SES as I should address you, have you read the survey results? Spin those numbers, dude. You can debunk whatever you want, but the anonymous surveys don’t lie. So, while you are rearranging the deck chairs, nervously smiling, asking, “What ICEberg? I didn’t see any iceberg,” The rest of us will head for the lifeboats.
The fact that you are here spewing that company line crap “great things are happening each and every day here at ICE” tells me that Debbie and this site are making an impact on ICE upper management. So is this how you HQ guys earn your LEAP? I could just envision it coming from PP as she releases the flying monkeys…”come up with a hip nickname, infiltrate that site full of traitors, and fix my image. Why do you think I got you (and not your subordinates) that Blackberry?! Get on it, and I’ll make sure your cubicle at the CAB has a view of a window! I will crush those losers like I used to crush crack house doors!” Maybe you could sign up some CI’s while you are here 🙂 After all, I’m sure you have ‘been there and done that’, too. Puh-lease! You and I know that there is an APB out for those who feed information to Debbie.
EVS and Eyesore, you crawl back into your SES bubble and let those of us who work for a living express ourselves without your poster-child jibberish harshing up our deal. Friggen headquarters wannabe biahtches that you are.

q2thecore on June 3, 2007 at 1:36 am

q2thecore,
All that anger, all those words, but really just more gibberish and name calling. Cute and creative maybe, but in the end gibberish.
It’s amusing to me that you would sum up my posts, and the all the factual statements that I’ve made here today, and can support mind you, as “company line crap”.
Picking on Marcy Forman and John Clark anonomously, as if you are “all that” demonstrates a lack of courage to me.
I’d bet a paycheck that if you put your life accomplishments alongside theirs, either one, that you would be ashamed of yourself.
I don’t work in HQS, but I’d recommend that you spend a little time there my friend. Might not be able to stand the heat, but it would sure open your eyes to some real truth.
I’m sure your post will catch Debbie’s eye though, as it’s written as if by her. Pitiful.
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 3, 2007 at 2:45 am

Hey Deb, love the site. All your jokes are so funny. Love you on the Howard Stern Show. Did Howard Ever hook you up with anyone?

tita2juju on June 3, 2007 at 3:11 am

EVS if you aren’t a HQ detailed spin doctor and just a working stiff you need to have your head examined. I’m guessing you are upper management who was in the right place at the right time. Good for you.
I find your need to defend Marcy and John interesting to say the least. I have no doubt that they work hard putting in long hours but they donÔø?t work hard for ICE. No one really cares about ICE why should they?
I read these comments on occasion and I am amazed at how the legacy this or that agents absolutely eviscerate one another after all this time. Here are my thoughts:
o We are not going back to USCS or INS.
o ICE is an immigration centric agency and always will be.
o There are other law enforcement agencies hiring.
Some random thoughts:
That “successes” email out of HQ was a joke. If things have gotten so bad that management needs to tell the troops that things are “going great” they obviously aren’t. Whatever yes-man told Marcy that was a good idea needs a transfer to Falcon Damn.
I hope they are kidding about a series of townhall meetings with Marcy to boost morale. They will go off about as well as the ones with Julie. Management will force attendance and no one in their right mind will talk about anything derogatory.
I realized that enforcing immigration law was a joke the first time I saw someone back from Mexico I served a 213 on three weeks before. I am in the interior thousands of miles from Mexico. What a waste of my time. We also continue to waste hundreds of man hours on immigration cases our US Attorneys office will never prosecute. I don’t blame immigration agents for this, I blame Congress.
HQ is irrelevant but unfortunately they don’t know it. They do nothing but make work more difficult. There are too many managers back in DC with nothing better to do than come up with unneeded policy that makes my job more difficult. They need to cut the folks assigned to HQ in half and send people back to the field. That would boost morale in the field and in DC. Come serve a wet with me Mr. desk officer and you can tell me about the “successes.”
You want to talk about a morale buster what about that ICE clips email from HQ? I quit reading that turd and filter it right to my trash. It is too depressing, all immigration enforcement news followed by the IcE hit pieces by the press. Immigration is a crap sandwich and it always will be.
C3 went from “crown jewel” to irrelevant because wets don’t use computers. The fact that C3 is getting “right sized” and HQ wants child porn to have “an international nexus” (going to give that one to the FBI as well I guess) is just the writing on the wall. The memo says that C3 and SOD aren’t HQ tours anyway you have to “touch the CAB”
Now with all that said I still work 6/7 days a week and enjoy it. Mostly because I stay busy. If I was not busy IÔø?d probably realize how broken ICE is.
I like my job, not as much as I did before but I still look forward to going to work on Mondays. If I come into work and that changes, well, I read USAJOBs weekly and keep my 612 up to date.
I hope you guys emailing Debbie are using a bounce box or an anonymizer.
PS: q2thecore Ôø? thanks for the laugh dude
Be Safe,
IcEhole

IcEhole on June 3, 2007 at 3:15 am

Okay,
Since it’s late and we obviously have nothing better to do, let’s get down to it. I guess the gloves are off. If you want to measure up, let’s just say I put my life on the line for this job too many times, but I did it willingly. Without going into further detail and giving up my identity, suffice it to say I have sacrificed more than your average schmoe. Enough about me, this is not for my self edification. The new dress code BS is just an example of a mindset. It’s HQ in a microchosm. Let’s focus on the minutiae, and in this case at the worst possible time, instead of what really matters, such as cars, maybe a mission, equipment, etc. Don’t make me put the pimp hand down on you, SES, I’ll punk you here and now in front of all of your little friends 😛 BTW, you really don’t have an answer as to the stats regarding morale, do ya, sunshine boy? Anonymizer, bouncer thingys? Who cares. This is free speech, and ya get what ya pay for heheheh 😛

q2thecore on June 3, 2007 at 3:56 am

Boy EVS, looks like a little positive attitude can really stir up the Dark Side. Keep it up brother, I’ve got your back. And there are a hell of a lot more of us out there. Hey ICE4EVER, what the HELL is wrong with trying to make a positive vibe where there is so much negativity. I certainly don’t have the answers that EVS has, but in my corner of the world (and no, it is not a “po-dunk” corner) my fellow ICE agents and I are able to ignore the few whiny crybabies in our office (legacy Customs AND legacy INS by the way) and actually make MAJOR cases with MAJOR seizures and MAJOR criminal convictions. And to respond to what one of the naysayers alluded to earlier, I do have a great ASAC, and my DSAC and SAC are pretty okay also. I don’t know the situation in other offices, just what’s going on in mine. All I know is if I hated my office as much as some of the posters on this site seem to, I would certainly be looking elsewhere. I don’t consider that as being “ignorant”, as one poster stated earlier. I see that as searching for career satisfaction. And there’s NO WAY I’m even close to being SES, so don’t try pulling that sh#t with me q2thecore!!

lsellers on June 3, 2007 at 8:43 am

Iíll try to explain where my frustration with ICE comes from. Iím a legacy Customs SSA and former BPA who loved the USBP but hated the absolutely inept management of the INS above the CPA level.
I jumped ship to US Customs where I found an agency where everyone in field operations, commercial ops and investigations, from the new employee to the Commissioner, formed one cohesive unit to accomplish the mission of protecting the revenue. It truly was a Customs family with Esprit de Corps.
When there were issues between divisions there was long standing SOPís at the port level to iron the issues out without having to have a Department working group figure it out six months after the problem, if it ever made it that far.
Customs was the federal governments version of a local PD where everyone knew their place in the big picture and was proud of doing their jobs. Customs HQ was minimally staffed and focused solely on distributing funding and SUPPORTING the SACís. The power in Customs lay with the SACís, not within the beltway.
My problems with ICE are above the SAC.
The DHS was a mistake and when those fu&king six scumbags in the White House basement blind sided all the stakeholders with the new table of organization, we were doomed for failure as an agency (thanks to the congress for their lack of oversight also). ICE has to be reunited with the uniformed divisions. Iím sick and tired of being told by CBP to go pound sand over issues that would have never been a problem under legacy Customs. HQ still refuses to acknowledge that the BP is still acting as if it works for the DOJ. Five years later and still no new DEA/BP MOU??? Where are you Mr. Burns, ICE Princess and PP? You just canít have stakeholders fighting each other with no recourse. If separating the uniforms from the investigators is the right thing to do than why doesnít the NYPD follow our model? Because itís so ludicrous on its face! The fact that our ICE leaders, JC, PP and their predecessors donít speak out against the division of CBP and ICE just shows they are protecting their own hides and donít give a sh&t about the doing whatís right! If either spoke up whatís the worst that could happen? Sent back to the field as a SAC? Oh boy would that be rough. Our leaders at HQ are total sellouts. They know it and we know it!!! Bonner was sent packing for his views on the division between CBP and ICE.
Second, ICE HQ is becoming the new FBI or legacy INS HQ. As an occasional acting GS Iím sick and tired of ìcrystal ball reportsî and being constantly hounded by desk officers or division chiefs on the status of my investigations. As an agency we have done a 180 from the Customs HQ model. HQ now believes we service them. That is absolute BS! To have an Assistant Secretary or PP digging into the minutia of day to day operations is crazy! How about the ICE Princess berating a Kansas City GS (Legacy Customs) over processing fuc&king aliens too slow? Let me hear these HQ pogues justify that is good for morale! The downsizing of C3 is absolutely the wrong way to go. When our illustrious leaders talk about ICE being the preeminent law enforcement agency for the next century, what are they talking about? Advancements in processing I-213’s!!! C3 was the future of law enforcement. Just like that knucklehead Garcia, there is no strategic vision of where ICE should go because the Title 8 and Title 19 missions are so different.
Third, having Immigration in the name is the scarlet letter of law enforcement and public perception. I hate it. If we are the investigative arm of the DHS than our name should reflect it. I usually tell people Iím with Homeland Security investigations (or Customs Enforcement). The fact that Director Mueller had, and continues to have more clout over such a BS issue than a cabinet secretary (impotent Ridge) or Mr. Burns just shows you how much respect, or lack there of, this administration and congress have for us. This is a BIG issue and HQ should acknowledge it. PP should be hounding the ICE Princess, who should be hounding Chertoff, who should tell DOJ (FBI) to go fu&k themselves instead of trying to BS us and the public that this amnesty bill is a good thing.
I work for a large SAC where DRO does handle all the BS immigration calls but we seem to be in the minority. Large SACís could absorb the waste of time of having a few agents responding to a trooper on a vehicle stop but what about the small RACís and RAís who still are forced to waste time on this BS? HQ has to light a fire under DRO to expand itís operations to the smaller offices immediately. That would go a long way to help moral in those offices. Also, mandating duty agents to handle INS calls while passing Customs calls of to another group is BS.
MAXHR and its new reincarnation needs to be killed.
A dress code is absolutely the worst thing they could release now or ever. Any issues with dress should be taken care of at the SAC level. Our SAC does have a dress code of business casual (no ties) while working in the office. I donít mind it and the DSAC does enforce it. Thatís fine but to have some HQ jerkoff formulate a one size fits all policy is going to hurt morale big time!
Our IT infrastructure in ICE is an abortion. Too many friggin passwords for so many disparate systems.
One big problem I have is discrediting the abilities of legacy INS agents. The guys Iíve worked with are some of the best investigators Iíve ever worked with regardless of agency. Most any case can be as complex as the skill of the agent makes it. Whether or not they have some BS pieces of paper with CITP or CBES is just that, BS!
Bottom line, it just seems to me that people who are earning a lot of money and bonuses, and are in a position to speak out about whatís right and whatís wrong with ICE, donít, because they are too worried about their own ass. I have absolutely no confidence in our HQ leadership and the path of destruction they are taking us down.

CustomsKoolAid on June 3, 2007 at 11:43 am

It is clear I’ve hit some nerves here, as this blog is usually dominated by the disenfranchised and vocal minority.
I think Isellers and I speak for the silent majority. It isn’t great and wonderful, and no, it’s not your fathers Customs Service, but it isn’t the cesspool that the vocal minority would have people believe either.
There are a lot of good people, doing a lot of good work, and work worth doing. I sincerely appreciate the work that ICE agents do each day, whether it’s working an undercover, participating with SRT on a high risk warrant, or yes, even processing a bunch of illegals on an Enforce system that never works like it should. It pays my bills, and it pays your bills.
There are other agencies out there if you don’t like it here. I’m going to stay around though, because I believe, in my heart of hearts, that this agency will one day be the place to be.
I’m starting to see the corner even now, as a bunch of other agency 1811’s are applying to leave their agencies to come to ICE. I’ve personally seen three applications in the last couple of weeks, two from FBI Agents, and one from an OIG type. I guess they don’t get their career guidance from the Schlussel blog.
Work safe guys, and look out for each other,
EVS

EverVigilantSheepdog on June 3, 2007 at 11:47 am

If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em. You are right, EVS and CellarDweller, everything is a.o.k. at ICE. Nothing could be better. Please forgive my ignorance, for I know not of what I speak. I can’t even spel ‘gibberish’ and ‘microcosm’. I am your humble, oafish serf. So goes the uneducated masses. There’s a bluebird on my shoulder…everything is satisfactual…

q2thecore on June 3, 2007 at 12:06 pm

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR F’ING MIND EVS!!!!!! What crack pipe are you smoking that makes you think that you are speaking for the silent majority. WOW,, and I thought I had heard some really dumb shit on here. You must be talking about those “silent majority” types who live up in DC and lie to the SA’s out in the field.
Maybe if Meyers & CO. would allow some of us (who actually work in the field) the chance to speak at a Congressional Hearing, they would see how much these pukes have been lying to them. Anybody who dares say things are good in ICE is a dumb ass motherfucker. Quit fucking sucking DC cock and get with the real.

kcrat on June 3, 2007 at 12:51 pm

Here is my observation as someone that does not work for DHS.
The two new arrivals are either a couple of suck butts or were ordered to come here and spread their propaganda by management.
I just loved EVS comment that workforce arrests are up.Sounds like the Julie Meyers propaganda that she constantly spews for Chertoff and Bush.
Up from what, according to the figures I have read online publish by your own agency,they were virtually non existent until the lying bastard Chertoff went on the media to try and convince Americans Amnesty was the answer to enforcing the law.
Here is the relevant data:
84% of Worksite Arrests are of Illegal Aliens, Not Employers: Though the
overall workforce arrest totals have increased from 517 in FY 2003 to 845 in FY
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a closer look at the data reveals that
2004 to 1292 in FY 2005 to 4385 in FY 2006,
the vast majority of these worksite crackdowns have resulted in arrests of illegal
alien workers rather than their employers. As ICE reports, ìadministrative
immigration arrests generally refer to illegal alien workers who are unlawfully
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present in the United States.î Using this definition, a full 84% of the total worksite
arrests from FY 2003 through FY 2006 have been administrative arrests of illegal
alien workers.

ScottyDog on June 3, 2007 at 1:11 pm