This country is in denial and needs to wake the heck up. I guess it went to back to sleep shortly after 9/11.

NormanF on December 4, 2009 at 10:47 am

Here’s whats gonna happen next, When this happens again, the passengers are gonna rise up and make these guys behave on the plane.
Then the muzzies are gonna get lawyers and innocent people are gonna be sued out of their homes, for ethnic intimidation.
my opinion: We have reverse racial discrimination, why isn’t this reverse ethnic intimidation?
Lawyers that take on these types of cases are scunmbags,( not all Lawyers).

Be careful on December 4, 2009 at 11:46 am

Whether all of the story is true or not, these dumbass muzzies won’t conform to our laws and codes of conduct, be it public or private. They openly mock us and are trying their damnest to make this an islamic country, as espoused by Odopey’s own words. Ostupid has said that the U.S. is an Islamic country.

I wouldn’t doubt it if Omoron has had our homeland security relax much of our already weak security measures. Do you think our Pussy In Chief would fly on that plane? All muzzies should be profiled and go through extra security to get on a flight, and they should be told that if they even look at anybody in the wrong way, they will be thrown off of the plane, even in flight. And for all of you commie libs out there who don’t like this, I hope your next flight is packed full of muzzies who can’t speak English.

Jarhead on December 4, 2009 at 11:50 am

Sorry, something about this story still stinks to me. The Chaplain’s “first hand account” seems less of an account than a dissertation on his views about jihad, radical islam and political correctness in America. Why also does his “first hand account” warrant a “copyright”?

Believe me, I’m not one to downplay the threat we all face but embelished stories of alleged terrorist activity do more harm than good, for they themselves lull us into a “Chicken Little” mindset where we no longer recognize or pay attention to legitimate red flags when they are raised.

Perhaps I’m wrong and there is a good arguement for discounting MY doubts and erring on the side of caution. Certainly, I would not want to see one more American, or any life fall victim to the actions of radical islamic nutjobs. More often than not I find myself beating the drums of continued vigilence, often to deaf ears. I just need to see a little more factual reporting, less emotional diatribes coupled with fewer inconsitencies for this narrative to ring a truer bell for me.

Billy on December 4, 2009 at 12:03 pm

One of my favorite lines from the post-9/11 “invasion of civil liberties” debate:

“You know what I think is an invasion of MY privacy? Having a plane fly through my fucking window.”

😉

Matt R on December 4, 2009 at 12:13 pm

Billy, why copyright? When this story goes mainstream, he wants full credit. If it’s B.S. why bother copyrighting it?
Wake up and smell the hooka smoke!

Be careful on December 4, 2009 at 12:18 pm

It think Be Careful might be right but not about suing individuals. That’s too much headache. Instead they will sue the airlines for discrimination.

They get a dozen loud “scary” arabs on a plane and when the airline reacts (as many of the posts have suggested they should) by kicking them off the flight, some liberal federal judge is going to give them millions. Its a Catch-22.

Joe Schmo on December 4, 2009 at 12:23 pm

Whether the story is true or not really doesn’t matter.

When something so blatant as Malik’s Jihad at Fort Hood occurs and General Casey pleads PC and denies obvious Jihad and then a Jihadist from ISNA is currently providing guidance to Fort Hood soldiers deploying to Afghanistan, we are in deep, deep trouble.

Any sane person even of the Left admits that there are some Muslims who adhere to the violence of Radical Islam. Even if they don’t feel as I do that the majority are in favor of Jihad and support it, there are enough that we should be extremenly wary. Despite this, the Islamists are given access to the highest levels of our defense and intelligence agencies.

Do you want to know why there hasn’t been another massive terrorist attack? They don’t need it. They are being given the keys to everything voluntarily by our PC poisoned government and press.

Facts Life on December 4, 2009 at 12:26 pm

I worked for Delta Airlines for years until it became apparent to me that the airlines are the un-safest way to travel for many reasons.

Now whether all or part of the this story is true or not, the one fact that seems to be accurate is something on board happened, 12 Muslim men were asked to leave the plane. That in itself is the most important thing. No one is asked to leave a plane unless they are being DISRUPTIVE. It is irrelevant if they were on cell phones, or pretending to shoot people with their fingers…The only thing that carries validity is that they were disruptive in some fashion. Enough it seems that the flight crew disembarked the plane as well. Every passenger on that flight has the right now to sue the airline, because the original flight crew deemed the behavior on board was detrimental to their health and well-being. The airline decided that it was okay to subject the remaining passengers with this detrimental behavior, which means they were complicit to the aggravation of each of their passengers.

As to having a new flight crew there in minutes is an easy thing to do. Flights come and go every second and a returning flight crew can be assigned to another flight if there is a problem with one or the entire crew, I know because it has happened to me personally.

Now if this incident were perpetrated by a non-Muslim, he or she would have been banned from the flight and facing criminal charges. Disruptions of any kind are not tolerated on board a plane. (For obvious reasons) Cell phone use, language, and minor disruptive behavior will get you kicked off a plane, and put you on a no fly list. Planes have diverted course and landed unexpectedly because of this type of behavior in the past. To do so before the plane has even left the ground is a no brainer, the offending individuals are removed and NOT let back on board. This was a rule before 9-11 and more so now.

But because we are now living in a Muslim state of aggression, they know they can scream discrimination and get away with this type of behavior and sue the airline which I’m sure these 12 men are already doing. A dry run or not, the goal of these barbarians succeded. They got to terrify passengers, get away with it, and probably will get a big cash settlement from the airlines because they will cry foul.

In order for this type of behavior to stop is the other passengers on board that flight need to sue for mental distress.

The Chaplin is correct, WE are responsible for our own safety. If that means demanding to be let off an offending plane, you’re damn right I’d be the first one off.

perception of truth on December 4, 2009 at 1:07 pm

“Do you want to know why there hasn’t been another massive terrorist attack? They don’t need it. They are being given the keys to everything voluntarily by our PC poisoned government and press.”

This I do believe. They are using our own system against us…and they are winning. I wont let that happen. I’m taking my safety and my wifes safety into my own hands. I live out here in Tucson and more funding for an already stretched police force got shot down in Prop 200 in Nov. Then the city decided to cut another 5% from funding for the police. After that happened we just had a rash of 5 home invasions in a 3 day span. Dont count on state or Govt for your safety of your loved ones safety.

James on December 4, 2009 at 1:35 pm

If this is true, some of the other passangers and crew are going to have to come forward.

adam on December 4, 2009 at 1:52 pm

Names, I want names. Can the list of passengers be made available via the Freedom of Information Act. Interview passengers, crew, the airline. Subpoena the entire lot.

If true, this is not something that should be coming in dribs and drabs via Debbie – It needs massive coverage.

Sadie on December 4, 2009 at 1:55 pm

Here’s Airtran’s response:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/12/we-have-two-updates-on.html

Petruna clearly went a bit crazy in his email. Now, we need to know what really happened.

adam on December 4, 2009 at 1:57 pm

From Adam’s link . . .”The entire party complied fully with Crew Members’ instructions to exit the aircraft in order to ascertain the situation. ” -AirTran

REALLY? They ALL complied fully? Then why did the plane have to turn around and bring this entire party in for further questioning? What about that issue about these passengers not fully complying with crew commands to turn off cell phones and other electronic equipment?
The entire crew refused to fly with this group because this group DID NOT FULLY COMPLY with their commands.

If you expect anyone to believe that this group of 13 fully complied with anything – then AirTran is complicit with this act of intimidating law abiding passengers.

Perhaps a law suit by passengers & crew who witnessed this intimidation on Flight 297 will send a clear message to AirTran that mis-behavior by this group – or any like it – will not be tolerated, excused, or foisted upon another crew or group of passengers ever again.

wtd on December 4, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Like me, I suspect other readers still have lots of questions about this story. Who paid for these antagonist’s/muslim’s/terrorist’s airline tickets? Were they one-way tickets purchased with cash? What is their citizenship/immigration status? How are the 12 related? What is their business? What are their full names and why aren’t these reported in the press? Is there any significance to why they chose an AirTran flight? Why a flight to Houston? What has the FAA and/or the TSA said about this flight? I’m looking forward to this story getting more exposure and more details being brought to light.

KingSlav on December 4, 2009 at 2:49 pm

Perhaps this is another attempt to wring cash from the airline. It worked for the flying imams. Maybe that’s why Airtran put most of them back on the plane, ie to avoid a lawsuit. My question: why did they not put all back on the plane? That’s a bit fishy.

adam on December 4, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Miss Schlussel:

I posted this on my blog, with links to your web site, and prominent reference to you.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

John Robert Mallernee on December 4, 2009 at 3:16 pm

ONLY until Muslim terrorists start ramming planes into the buildings that house Congress and POTUS will something get done. Since these religious murdering, porno loving, child molesting nutjobs seem to target regular American citizens, the day they start taking out a few elected officials will the government act.

Right now the Dems all the way up to BO himself kiss the asses of Muslims, thinking we should embrace them. After all, BO himself said he would “stand with the Muslims”, and he is doing just that.

I am so glad these men stood up for what is right. God only knows what could have happened if they had not acted.

Pat on December 4, 2009 at 3:54 pm

Denials are getting louder. This from AIRTRAN

Airline officials published the account on “Inside AirTran,” an internal Web-based newsletter that the AJC acquired access to, to debunk what they called an “urban legend” circulating online that describes a cadre of so-called Islamic terrorists whose attempt at intimidating passengers of Flight 297 was thwarted by a lone passenger.

“We bring this to your attention in order to dispel myths that are beginning to make the rounds in chat rooms, blogs and conspiracy theorists’ Web sites,” the memo said.

Flight 297, from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, was bound for Houston when a flight attendant asked a man to put away a cell phone and camera.

When he did not, the plane taxied back to the gate, and the passenger — who didn’t speak English — and his companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.

When it was determined the problem was caused by a language barrier, AirTran and TSA officials allowed the man, and 12 others traveling him to re-plane, and the flight left for Houston.

A man named A. Gene Hackemack began circulating an e-mail from his friend Tedd Petruna, who claimed to have been on the flight and told a different story.

“I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said ‘you will go sit down or you will be thrown from this plane,’” Petruna wrote in his e-mail.

AirTran officials could not confirm to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution whether Petruna was actually on the flight, citing policy against giving out passenger information.

But in the “Inside AirTran” article, they refute Petruna’s story point-by-point.

“There were no reports of any passenger standing up in any threatening manner,” the AirTran report reads. “At NO time was there any physical altercation between passengers.

“Upon returning to the gate, the individual on the phone were asked to de-plane and did so in full compliance of crew member’s instructions.”

Petruna claimed that 11 Muslim men dressed in “full attire” and that the men began calling one another, and shouting in a foreign language from different areas of the plane before the plane stopped on the ground.

AirTran said: “The individuals in this party proceeded to their seats throughout the aircraft and were dressed like any other passenger.”

Further, the airline reports: “There have been no reports of any individual phoning any other individual on the flight … there are no reports of screaming or shouting insults to our crew members.”

Petruna has declined over several days to respond to repeated email and phone attempts by the AJC to talk to him.

Return to AJC.com for more information.

Billy on December 4, 2009 at 4:32 pm

I’d like to add, Debbie, that I have followed your website for years and applaud you for uncovering and bringing to light stories that the MSM ignores. For example, I was behind you 110% from the start when the Goose Creek duo hid behind their “firecracker defense”. I am no apologist nor, as I said before, do I go through life with my head in the sand regarding the threats today. That said, in the interest of accuracy and fairness, I hope you take a real hard THIRD look at this story to determine whether or not this is, at it appears to be, spinning into an incident far beyond the scope of what actually took place.

Billy on December 4, 2009 at 4:51 pm

One more oddity. The glaring absense of CAIR or any other “Civil Rights” organization by this late date parading in front of the cameras crying profiling speaks volumes. At least to me it does.

Billy on December 4, 2009 at 4:54 pm

To say this country went back to sleep shortly following 9/11 is the understatement of the year. 7 short years later it elected a black president with a muslim background, and self proclaimed muslim sympathies. Now before all you race-baiters start crying racism… I whole-heartedly believe that a black human being is capable of holding the office president of the United States… hell, I would have elected Alan Keyes…. Now there is a true statesman who knows what he is doing. However, to elect Barack Hussein Obama? Common America! A community organizer? WTF is that? He has done nothing but travel abroad bowing to foriegn dignitaries and appologizing for America’s greatness. In eleven short months he has quadrupled the national debt and brought those responsible for the 9/11 attacks onto our soil for a trial in our court system? They are responsible for planning what amounts to a military operation resulting the the deaths of over two thousand people on US soil and he believes they need access to our criminal justice system, ecercising rights granted to American citizens by our Constitution? WTF is that? These people are muslim males of middle eastern discent between the ages of 18 and 45. The very same cohort that has carried out numerous attacks on the US and we are supposed to ignore suspicious behavior by males belonging to that cohort on a domestic flight? Hell no we arent. It is high time we start calling a spade a spade and enact zero tolerance. These werent girl scouts on that flight. I ask this of Hussein Obama, what kind of national leader projects an image to the world that he believes his country to be second rate and in need of such dire change? I will answer in his stead, a leader not worthy of his office.

Religion of peace my ass! To them I say, by their fruits ye shall know them… prove it!

Robert on December 4, 2009 at 6:54 pm

Also the original report froma passenger who was actually there:

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/faa-to-investigate-cell-202143.html

“He was not talking on a cell phone, it was a camera,” said Nancy Deveikis of Marietta. “He was looking at pictures….Just one flight attendant snowed everyone into believing she had an irate passenger,” Deveikis said.

realist on December 4, 2009 at 8:07 pm

Robert —

Tedd Petruna wasn’t even on the flight. His story is 100% bullcrap.

Joel Miller on December 4, 2009 at 8:07 pm

Dr Keith Robinson states; “I asked the flight attendant if she did or did not know whether we had an Air Marshal on the plane. She said that they were never told when one was on board.”

A flight Attendant would NOT say this, because it’s the Air Marshalls who brief THEM. What a F/A MIGHT say is that they do not know, because they’re not supposed to tell passengers a FAM (Federal Air Marshal) or LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) is aboard the aircraft.

I know this for a fact because my husband is a First Officer for Continental Airlines and I’ve been aboard many a flight as a non-revenue passenger with a birds eye view of the FAM’s briefing the crew.

It’s quite possible that there was an uncomfortable and unfortunate situation aboard Air Tran 297 that day, but until and unless the flight crew themselves come forward with statements, I for one believe that the two men who’ve made statements thus far – have greatly embellished their stories.

Lola on December 4, 2009 at 8:11 pm

The next Muslim I see, Im gona punch him right in the mouth!

The Joe on December 4, 2009 at 8:49 pm

I want to know why the flight crew that insisted on leaving the plane won’t step forward and tell their story. Are they being threatened by Air Tran for their jobs? Are they afraid of being sued by these crazy people? If what Petruna and Robinson say is true, where are the other people that were witnesses? Isn’t the safety of our country more important than worrying about what might happen to yourself personally? After all, our military men and women are laying their lives on the line to protect this country every minute of every day. What are they fighting for if we can’t take a stand right here on our own soil? And what about this Nancy Deveikis who tells a different story? Is she being paid by Air Tran (or someone else) to say this? It is all so suspicious. I don’t doubt for one second that this could very well have been a “dry run” of what is going to happen in the near future. But more people need to get the courage to step forward and speak up if something more is going to be done!

Bambi on December 5, 2009 at 12:26 am

Ok, so these fools can board a flight…and after all the commotion, still allowed to fly, yet 5yr old and grandmas are patted down and their luggage is rifled through because THEY’RE on a “terrorist watch list”? What’s wrong with this picture?!

One thing is that Americans have become wussified and continue to allow this bs that goes against all common sense to continue. Good Lord….

Mikey on December 5, 2009 at 4:03 am

Bambi — we don’t know that any crew members insisted on leaving the plane. The only source for that is Petruna, who it now appears was not on the flight at all. Petruna couldn’t know that.

Huge Seagull on December 5, 2009 at 10:35 am

And to think… the word “gullible” is not even in the dictionary.

Also too… my best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.

Matt Reno on December 5, 2009 at 12:43 pm

LOL at all the rubes that believe Tedd Petruna’s story. I sometimes wonder how America survived into the 21st century with idiots like you.

Luther English on December 5, 2009 at 1:16 pm

This is one the silliest comment sections I’ve read in a long time. All of this over a fabricated story. Talk about gullible…

Stan on December 5, 2009 at 1:38 pm

I guess it makes sense. If you’re going to believe that a guy who WASNT ACTUALLY ON THE FLIGHT defeated arab-speaking Islamic terrorists who WERE ACTUALLY SPANISH-SPEAKING Mexican-Americans then, yeah, the account of Rev. Robinson — WHO ALSO WASNT ON THE FLIGHT during the incident would TOTALLY qualify as CORROBORATION.

I wasn’t on the flight either, and let me say, as an eyewitness too, THE TERRORISTS’ PORNO was really sick. The “Infidel Dogs” wasn’t addressed to Petruna, but instead to the actual canines in the movie, who were hardly showing fidelity at all.

Lettuce on December 6, 2009 at 12:22 am

Debbie Schlussel <—- Reich Wing Piggy. Listen you should really try to research your stories in between shoving piles of donuts in your mouth to try an fill that empty spot inside.

I can tell you how to fill it — stop lying and the wound will heal itself. Or continue to try an smother it with crispy kreams and failure..

Truth Squad on December 6, 2009 at 11:11 am

It looks like a few Obama-ites feel it’s safe to come out the closet only after enough banter has been provided for them to feel protected in stating their position…. Matt, Luther, Stan and Lettuce…. we acknowledge your right to speak and welcome you here. However, unlike Billy, you remind me of little children who poke at each other with their immature minds only capable of “yes he did, no he didn’t, yes he did, no he didn’t” . If you are indicating to the rest of us that there is nothing important being brought about by this episode with the airline, whether it be true or false or even partially true or false….then you are showing your obvious lack of intelligence and inability to even acknowledge or debate along the edges of situations similar to this that we in the United States do indeed have some very troubling issues that seemingly are being swept under the rug and hidden from debate…… I personally am disgusted with the majority of our media, public schooling, politicians, clergy, others…. who have lost their spine and kiss the ass of political correctness as they have adapted a fear of something phanthom and horrible will come gobble them up! I do want our nations constitution to prevail. I love the right to free speech and I love my right to bear arms. There is a balance between the left media and the right media but you won’t find it and understand the serious trouble we in these 50 states are in unless you devote more open-minded thinking and become more observant. There is much to be done and plying our asses to a couch won’t get you very far. Whether this story is partially fabricated or not is only part of our problems…. you must consider that is has become a story of interests in this our time on earth. God Bless America.

Sheep Herder on December 6, 2009 at 11:23 am

Welcome to my aforementioned flock Truth Squad…

Sheep Herder on December 6, 2009 at 11:39 am

The story is probably true. Unfortunately political correctness rules the day. However harsh this sounds to people these men should be hunted down and executed. NOT tracked by the FBI or HS to find the “Big Fish”. This is as simple as us or them. They will murder innocents, we will do nothing, but for how long? All talk and no action = Hitler and WWII.

Patriot on December 6, 2009 at 2:09 pm

This story is obviously fake, made up by overexcited right wingers. People have been so scared since 9-11 — boogeymen everywhere.

Dan Sheehy on December 6, 2009 at 3:04 pm

Haha! You bunch of crazy redneck nutjobs. This whole story is fake. The two main points of view on this story are coming from guys who were not on the flight at the time of the incident. They just made it up. It also doesn’t help the story that the men in question were actually spanish not muslim.

SW: And you know this because you were on the flight and are a linguist? I don’t think so. Boy, you’re gullible. If AirTran says it, they’d NEVER EVER lie. And it must be the truth, right? Hilarious. DS

slick willy on December 6, 2009 at 3:37 pm

I need to confess. That group of 12 Middle Eastern men actually was comprised of me and a bunch of my college fraternity brothers.
We spend a lot of time on our attire and fake Arabic gibberish, but the whole ruse went horribly awry when we failed to achieve our goal: getting arrested. So we still have some serious initiation perils to go through.
And that “Chaplain” guy, he was too busy looking at porn on his laptop or else he would have seen we were acting like frat boys, not Muslims, though I do admit to having fantasized about 70 or so virgins, or sluts for that matter.

Curveball2 on December 7, 2009 at 8:14 pm

With litigation the way of the land. One should never talk about anything (explains why the crew would Never speak up)…sort of like in Prison…The Snitch dies…
Kind of like in the middle East? What a great future we leave for our kids…

Blogengeezer on December 7, 2009 at 10:18 pm

Dear oh dear, what’s really sad is that people believe this garbage.

Right Wing Retards.

Harry Barracuda on December 8, 2009 at 4:02 am

Did you ever notice that those responders who share the most extremely radical attitudes always use anonymous ‘handles’? Why do you suppose they don’t put their actual names on their posts… maybe they’re sssscccccaaaaarrrrreeeeeddddd?

Trephine Trepanner, Ballyhoo, WA on December 9, 2009 at 6:45 am

We’ve been at war since 9/11. When I was sent an account by said Ted Petruna I was concerned and have tried to source it as true or false before forwarding it to all my friends. What I have read so far still concerns me. Something did happen and obviously it upset several of the passengers enough they felt their safety was in question.

We are at war but no we should not feel we need to eliminate all muslims. Thats the same mindset that locked up all families of Japanese descent during World War II. Regardless of the fact they had been born here and were patriotic Americans.

I am concerned though about the small ways our country is changing because of political correctness and we don’t seem to know how to fight. My grandchilds school is not having “Christmas Parties” this year because one set of parents respectfully asked their child not be included in them. They requested the child instead be sent to the Library when any thing of that nature would be discussed in class. It goes against their religion and they don’t want their child confused. So instead the school is having Winter Parties and Chistmas will not be mentioned in any class. Nor will Chrismas Carols be song, other than things such as Jingle Bells.

If we don’t stand up for our belief’s, we will lose the right to practice them. Incidently the words Political Correctness them selves give me cold chills. More and more we are sounding like Communist Russia of the 1950’s.

Skeptical in Kentucky on December 10, 2009 at 1:55 pm

I listened to the radio program on 11-09-09. I had already recieved the email reporting what had happened. I didn’t know whether to believe it or not. The story sounded a little crazy to me. When I heard the radio program and heard what Chaplin Robinson had to say about it dawned me of how real it was. He explained it fully and I want to thank him for that. I have delt with people such as these and I do not look forward in doing so. Strange is the only word I can come up with. I do agree with Chaplin Robinson that it sounded as if it was a dry run. I also agree when he said that when he got back on the plane that no one would make eye contact with anyone else, because they were all looking down. We are in our own country and I don’t care who you are, hold your head up and be proud. They are trying to get us to cower and then that gives them control. To blazes with them. We are going to have to stand up for ourselves because we sure don’t have a government that will do it for us. This administation will sell us out as fast as they can. Be an American and stand up and fight.

Mike on December 10, 2009 at 10:02 pm

The only way the muzie problem be solved is by speaking the truth openly.Govt should declare that Islam is not a religion and it should take away all the tax breaks and priviledges islam gets as a religion.

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