Going to the Vegetable Liberation Front site intrigued me. Question – are those tomatoes or potatoes still alive when plucked? How about the carrots or onions when uprooted?
I’m glad at this. Although a non-vegetarian myself, it’s one thing to be a vegetarian because of animal cruelty reasons, but something else totally to avoid dairy products – like milk and eggs (many of which would never hatch). Besides, if the baby was just 6 weeks, why wasn’t Jade breast feeding? Are vegans that insane that even breast milk is verboten? Who do they think it’s meant for?

Infidel Pride on May 11, 2007 at 4:49 pm

What these parents did was very stupid indeed. But they don’t deserve to spend life in prison for this horrendous mistake, if it was truly a mistake. A lot of people are under the impression nowadays that a person can live a healthy lifestyle by not eating any meat products and by eating less. This thinking is being applied to children by many ignorant parents. The vegan lifestyle is heavily promoted by the media so no wonder people are trying it with themselves and their kids. I think doctors are also part of the problem. Doctors may be able to answer questions but they do very little in regards to education. Parents, especially first-time ones, need as much education as possible because sometimes they don’t know what information to ask for. A situation like this baby dying of malnutrition should never happen again in America- but it probably will.:(

Norman Blitzer on May 11, 2007 at 6:03 pm

I am curious as to just why the child was not breastfed. I did a quick search and there doesn’t appear to be any “no breastfeeding rule” in the vegan cult.
Obviously these people were pretty dumb, but my gut reaction is that they also didn’t care about the health and welfare of the child. If they had, they would have taken the child to the doctor and followed the doctor’s advise.
I don’t believe for a minute that a child can starve to death without looking critically ill.

louisvillaescusa on May 11, 2007 at 6:51 pm

There’s more to this than simply being vegans. My sons were raised on soy formula and they’re healthy (dad is milk allergic – we’re not vegans!) Are they so IQ deficient that they couldn’t see the kid was sick? Or was it just a very late-term abortion?

tiarosa on May 11, 2007 at 10:32 pm

AHHHH, Norman Blitzer….
Tell it to the dead baby Norman!
Always like a liberal to blame everyone else, *except* the responsible parties.
The media, doctors, education…always finding someone else to blame – pathetic.

CarpeDiem on May 11, 2007 at 11:03 pm

Debbie, before you go off too hard on vegans/vegetarians, realize that not all of them are crazy. I’m a meat eater, but my hubby is a vegan. He is also Orthodox, Conservative, Capitalist, Rightwing Zionist, and practices a “live and let live” philosophy. He is vegan primarily for personal reasons and does not believe animals are equal to humans. Some Haredim give him a hard time and it is very wearisome, not to mention downright offensive, the rude things that have been said to him. Please don’t fall into the trap of painting everyone with the same brush. It’s not refusal to eat animal products that is bad; it’s the behavior and personality type that often, but not always, goes with it.
As for this couple, they are incredibly stupid and uneducated, that’s all. I have to say that even though many vegans ARE irritating in their self righteousness, most of them try to educate themselves about the health issues of their diet and try to compensate. This couple apparently didn’t make any effort to educate themselves and their stupidity killed their baby.
I have a problem with them getting a life sentence though, given that so many violent, sadistic rapists and murderers in this country get a few years and then time off for good behavior. I’m sick of the inequity in our justice system — when stupid people get life but evil people serve a few years and then are set free.

AmericanJewess on May 12, 2007 at 2:43 pm

Heck, pets or even animals are treated with more love and respect than children these days. We live in a society where people get castigated for eating meat ( or wearing fur) while noone utters a sound over sex predators or child molesters. These parents as mentioned above deserve a life sentence for the maltreatment of their infant who died from veganism which is the same as malnourishment aside from their parent disabilities. Babies are not bunnies or pets. Is there an organization out there that promotes PETB/C ( Parents for Ethical treatment of Babies/Children)? I guess road kill is to be more more sympathized for than a newborn thats been thrown out a window of a 14th story high building.I’m stand proud as a consumer of meat products which is all I can say for now.

Jew Chick on May 12, 2007 at 10:16 pm

I’m sure the baby would have been educated to hate America anyway. The life of a new born is so precious however, I’m torn between happiness and total angry that parents could violate the health of a newborn. Liberals suck plain and simple!

warpmine on May 12, 2007 at 10:52 pm

I have no problem with “life in prison” for this starvation killing. It is a statement that this kind of starvation killing will not be tolerated. We all know they’ll both be out on some oblique theory that some judge or lawyer will play on.
To you who have sympathy for these parents–how do you justify watching a baby starve to death saying its not as bad as some of the other crimes one could commit? It is a slow painful process–one that required the “starvers” to be determined to jam their bonehead ideas on an innocent child.
I could care less if people are vegans–I eat veggies too. Personally, I always liked Ted Nugent’s way of responding to the nuts–to write a hunting cook book called “Kill it and Grill it!”

BB on May 13, 2007 at 9:05 am

BB, I don’t have sympathy for them (more like indifferent), I’m merely acknowledging that they are extremely stupid, not evil. I doubt seriously if they had any idea their baby was not gaining weight properly and if they were new parents and avoided medical doctors, then they wouldn’t know the signs to look for to know that their baby was in danger. Sometimes people are not evil or crazy, just, dumb dumb dumb.

AmericanJewess on May 13, 2007 at 10:35 am

AmericanJewess–
Is the baby any less dead as a result of stupidity rather than evil?
Maybe being that stupid IS evil. Or as we Catholics say–“Sin clouds the intellect.”
I’m sure that libs will argue intent, but there are MANY homicides whereby killing the vic was not the original intent, as much as we can ever get inside someone’s head to determine intent.
As to Blitzer’s notion that the parents were vics, this demonstrates incredible arrogance and pride:
Blitzer, of course, is smart enough to know that starving a baby is wrong, but he can hardly expect anyone of the unwashed masses to understand that concept. Thus, the ever-increasing Nanny State is justified.
After all, Hillary Clinton Blitzer Dean Pelosi Reid Schumer knows better than we poor slobs.

Red Ryder on May 13, 2007 at 1:10 pm

If their so into eating natural and caring for nature, why wasn’t she breastfeeding the infant?
Most of those types are a little screwy anyway..it goes with a certain mindset.

Highrise on May 13, 2007 at 8:18 pm

Red Ryder, you’re a moron! Stop babbling:
[As to Blitzer’s notion that the parents were vics, this demonstrates incredible arrogance and pride:…]
Like that makes a lot of sense.
Carp, I’m not exonerating the parents, but if they truly were stupid to make such a mistake, I don’t think they deserve life in prison. It’s like the difference between 1st degree murder and manslaughter. And of course you want to prevent such a tragedy in the future? These are not the first parents to have a child die of malnutrition due to vegetarianism. Right now, there is probably a small minority of vegan parents in America not feeding their babies meat products. They need to be educated and their doctors are the best ones to do so.
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As for the baby not being breastfed, I’m just taking a stab at this but I think some vegans also think that meat products are bad for the human body, besides opposing meat on moral or religious grounds. So since breastmilk like any milk is a meat product, maybe certain vegans won’t feed their babies breastmilk. Maybe they see it as a form of cannibalism.:P

Norman Blitzer on May 14, 2007 at 12:07 am

BB,
It’s a question of malice versus ignorance (or in this case, plain stupidity). It looks like the parents are appealing the sentence, so we’ll have to wait and see what an appellate court thinks about this case.
In no way do I think these parents should get off scott free. I just think that if what they did was based on stupidity rather than malice, they don’t deserve a life sentence.

Norman Blitzer on May 14, 2007 at 12:17 am

OK Norm:
What kind of sentence do you think this lovely couple should get for their “stupidity” ???
C’mon Norman, I know you can think of a just and appropriate punishment!
How about we start with his & her neutering?
Sorry, but you are exonerating them by making excuses for them – even if YOU don’t think so!

CarpeDiem on May 14, 2007 at 4:18 am

Red Ryder said, “Is the baby any less dead as a result of stupidity rather than evil?”
Well said – I agree completely.

CarpeDiem on May 14, 2007 at 4:23 am

Blitzer–
I admire your rhetorical skills.
[Red Ryder, you’re a moron! Stop babbling:
[As to Blitzer’s notion that the parents were vics, this demonstrates incredible arrogance and pride:…]
Like that makes a lot of sense. ]
The above really proved me wrong.
Here’s a tip:
Next time, try actually proving your point (in addition to name-calling).
If you don’t think it’s arrogant to assume that some people are too stupid (unlike you, of course) to do nothing more than watch “helplessly” as their kid starves to death, and then spice it up with the usual vic “babble,” then please give me another adjective.

Red Ryder on May 14, 2007 at 8:17 am

Carp, I’m not making excuses for them but if it can be proven in the appeal that they didn’t willfully kill the child, then they don’t deserve a life sentence which is what, at least 25 years? Wouldn’t 5-15 years be more justified in such a case?
Red Ryder,
How about just saying “I disagree”. And what the parents did at the very least was stupid, I think all of us can agree on that.

Norman Blitzer on May 14, 2007 at 8:52 am

That it was just STupid?
Are you kidding?
They watched thier kid die a slow death.
You know not what you speak of.
They deserve life..they can’t claim stupidity on this one…..no way.

Highrise on May 15, 2007 at 5:35 am

Highrise, you’re just being an idiot. Next time just shut up.

Norman Blitzer on May 15, 2007 at 12:16 pm

Of Course What These Parents Did Was Moronic, But How Does A Stupid Bitch Like You Go On Saying That People Should Eat Meat & That It’s Healthy To Eat Meat When You Can Get Fucking Colon Cancer. These Parents Are Stupid Not To Give Their Kid Breast Milk, But Being Vegan Means That You Don’t Eat Meat Products Or Other Animal Products, & I Don’t Understand Why They Didn’t Give The Baby Breast Milk, But It Doesn’t Mean That You Should Go To Jail For An Accident That Happened. Also Animal Rights Is Not Just Animal Rights, But Also Human Rights, & It’s One Struggle, One Fight For The Vegan Population. If A Cunt Like You Talks About How Good Meat Is & How Healthy It Is, You Better Do some Research Before You Die Of A Cause You Think Is Natural, & Also People Who Eat Meat Never Want To Know Where Their Meat Came From Because They Know How Cruel & Horrible It Is In The Slaughterhouses Or They Are Just Ignorant Assholes Like You & Other Meat Eaters, In Slaughterhouses They Call The Killing “Euthanasia” Which Means Painlessly Killing But What Humans Don’t Know Is How It Feels To Get The Bullet Or The Mallet In The Fucking Head So If You Think That It’s Ok To Kill Animals You’re Wrong Because Animal Also Have Feelings Like Humans. Also Vegans Don’t Use Products That Are Tested On Animal Like: Soap, Hairspray, Makeup, Cigarettes, And Other Bullshit that Humans Don’t Need In Their Life. If You Think That Being Vegan Or Vegetarian Is Bad Why IS It That I Have A Vegetarian Friend That Has Been Healthy All Of Her Life Since She Was a Baby. I’ve Been a Vegetarian For Three Years,(Since The 7th Grade & Now I’m 15 Years Old) & I’ve Found In My Heart To Find Sympathy For Animals & If You Can’t Find Sympathy For Animals Then I Think You Should Just Go Off & Die. One More Thing That I Hate About Meat Eaters Is That If Plants Don’t Feel Pain When The Fruit Or The Vegetable Is Taken From The Ground Or The Tree Well There’s One Question I Have To Ask You, Why Does The Apple Fall Off The Tree? You Know Why So We Can Pick It Up & Eat It, & Then Another Apple Is Produced & Then It All Happens All Over Again Like A Cycle So I’ve Got A Message For All Meat Eaters To Watch Out For The A.L.F. Because They’ll Destroy Any Animal Testing Laboratories.

animal liberation front on December 31, 2007 at 12:38 am

This isn’t about veganism- this is stupidity. Ive raised my three children (5,7, and 10 years old) on a strict vegan diet and they are normal healthy kids. But they were fed breast milk and soy BABY FORMULA as infants…regular soy milk and friggin’ apple juice won’t cut it. Please don’t condemn veganism as a lifestyle…these people are just unfit parents. I don’t know about life for this, but it’s definitely a sick case of negligence.

RL on August 14, 2009 at 8:39 am

Yeah you know what, you’re totally spot on with this article!

Because every single vegan couple with kids ends up killing them!

It happens all the time, and this was in no way an isolated case.

Mike on June 26, 2010 at 9:57 pm

If the grief and pain him simply ignores the animals must suffer. Others look after the weak in yours “food chain”! Good appetite

Devin on October 5, 2010 at 6:10 pm

And, did more Vegatans kill the people or the others???

WHAT A FUCKING STUPIT ARGUMENT!!!!!! WHAT A SUPERFLUOUSLY SITE!!!!

Not the vegatans are murder! Its you!

Devin on October 5, 2010 at 6:15 pm

This gives vegans a bad name…just as you can’t sterotype entire races based on actions of one person from that race, you can’t assume all vegans are morons. Obviously babies can’t live on soymilk and apple juice. A lot of vegans (including vegan babies and kids) are very healthy – equally healthy as, or in some cases, healthier than, their omnivore counterparts. Its a matter of knowledge, which these people were obviously lacking. Everyone is so brainwashed to believe meat and dairy are “neccessary”(side note – we’re the only animals who drink another species’ milk…why are so many people lactose intolerant? Let’s put 2 and 2 together here) that when they meet vegans, they assume we’re all malnourished (and if they meet a vegan child, assume that’s child abuse). The fact is, vegans who are raising children have to pay a lot of attention to special nutrional needs – this I believe sets those babies up for a more healthful childhood, simply because they’re getting more natural, whole foods to get the same nutrients omnivores get from meat and dairy. I’ve seen a lot of omnivores giving thier toddlers pizza, fries, ice cream…lots of fatty foods. Does that mean I assume all omnivores do that? No. Just as you should not assume all vegans feed their babies soy milk and apple juice. Obviously a omnivore who eats lean meats in addition to lots of grains, veggies, and fruits is going to be healthier than a omnivore who eats at mcdonalds three times a week. In the same vein, vegans who live off soy burgers and soymilk and processed juices and canned veggies aren’t going to be nearly as healthy as vegans who eat a variety of fresh vegetables, fruits, grains, legumes, and (non or less processed) meat substitues such as seitan, tempeh, and tofu. And yes, I know babies can’t eat “adult” food like tempeh. This is why whole veggies, and things like lentils (I don’t know exactly what, I’m far from parenthood) can be pureed to make…baby food (when they’re at the stage for eating baby food)! In time when babies are too young for any baby food or purees, (regardless of vegan, vegetarian, or omnivore) they should be getting breastmilk. The options are pretty much formula, or breastmilk. Being vegan, just give them breastmilk!
I don’t look at someone who feeds their kid fast food often and say “Oh geez, all omnivores must be like that, they’re so unhealthy, they’re all killing their children”. This is a case of child abuse by stupidity, not child abuse by veganism. Very ignorant article.

katie on October 20, 2010 at 9:10 pm

Its beyond agony for any child to die, I am a vegan and a animal rights activist but also a human rights activist and these parents should have done their research better and I think they deserve to go to prison. People Eat Tasty Animals well thanks for killing our environment, thanks for murdering defenseless animals, and thanks because of cold people like you our pigs eat better than 3rd world countries just so you can consume them. MS.Schlussel swallow your pride and THINK!

eddie on January 27, 2011 at 1:35 am

Carpe diem and red rider obvously the only ones with a brain posting on here and maybe 1 or 2 more while making valid points to the others all Im gathering from reading your posts is blah blah blah rants grow up and dont post on an adult blog please finish preschool first.Animal liberation front not too peacefull making threats against others and such a potty mouth for a 15 year old guess what I know vegens as well who are so sick and nutritionaly deprived its stomach churning eat all the veggies you want it is not going to make up for a well balanced diet.Plants are living beings as well do you take satisfaction in ripping away there young and old and eating them ? what because they dont have eyeballs makes it differant and right? What because they dont bleed red ( well some actually do though like dragon tree plants) have you seen a plant eat a fly like the picther plant? Inform your self and open your blind eyes we all eat other living things time after time even WATER has living beings within it. Dont want to eat another living being then stop eating period ditzy.also if you dont believe in harming others why even ask someone to die? please please please get some damn mental help!!!! to me vegenismm is hypocritical but i also believe everyone has the right to put in there body what they want too and those parents deserve Life in prison and an eternity in hell even stuped people can tell that there child is starving slowly to death and deserve the same diet they gave there baby.
heres a fun article by the ways could you eat a plant that moves like the sensitivity plant?
http://www.thekidsgarden.co.uk/StrangeAndFunnyPlants.html

Diana on May 31, 2011 at 12:48 am

WOW!!!! Im 17 and im Vegan. NO FREAKING PROBLEM. This article is biased and stupid. These “Vegan” parents are stupid for not allowing their child to do the most natural thing on the planet (which, in case you did not know, most vegans like myself are all for the NATURAL way things should be) and drink BREAST MILK which is NOT (or does not count as one for vegans) a “animal product”. If they think that things that naturally come from the mother’s body are “animal products” maybe they should have had the umbilical cord surgically severed inside the mother so that no “animal products would make it into the child. this is bulls*it. these people werent “Vegan”, they were crazy if they thought that a baby should be anywhere near soy milk. its as crazy as a “vegan” not swallowing their partners cum because it might be an “animal product”. it simply doesnt happen with REAL vegans. STOP SLANDERING VEGANS!!!!!!! I hope people who believe this crap read my comment.

Anna on November 17, 2013 at 6:31 pm

I don’t know what you normally write about,Gossip,Scandal,The price of Fish etc etc but one thing is evident to me,You are just another in a long line of tuppence ha’penny miseducated bloggers trying to make your name on the web because you can’t earn a crust in reality because your yankee arse is so fat with lard from all your McD’s and KFC’s you cannot get out of your couch let alone your house.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Veganism,This is one more case to add to the ever growing statistics of Child neglect and abuse caused not by Veganism,but by poor parenting skills, Something which could have been prevented had the parents had the post natal support and education they needed.

4-5 children a day die in the USA from child neglect or abuse,that is one of the highest rates in the western world and Americans should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen,Many children starve to death, I would bet 99% of those parents are meat eaters but I don’t hear you ranting about that.
I could go so far as to say this is your fault because Instead of sitting on the web wasting your time with gossip and criticising you could have been doing something productive with your time,You could be trying to educate new parents and help alleviate the suffering of children,But no,You won’t because that’s too much like hard work for you, you would have to educate yourself and that’s something which you have in common with that babies parents,You are too lazy to educate yourself.Ignoramus’ you all may be,but that doesn’t deserve a life sentence.

KnightCat on June 7, 2015 at 9:13 pm

Thousands of people die every day in the US of heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, and cancer associated with a meat and dairy diet. No one complains.

One misinformed vegan couple’s child dies? VEGANS ARE EVIL AND STUPID!

Bill on May 31, 2016 at 5:43 am