There were many, many, many days during WWII that the US lost more men in a DAY than we have in Iraq in a YEAR (or even in three years).
Would anybody have argued that we should pull out of the Pacific theater because of casualties?
Not all deaths are equal. It is folly to equate the deaths at VT with the dead in Iraq. We must win in Iraq.
Far more people die in car accidents in a year in the US than die in the war in Iraq. Should we therefore outlaw automobiles? This sort of reasoning is not only childish, uninformed and illogical, it is dangerous.

bleechers on April 20, 2007 at 10:16 am

It should come as no surprise to see this sort of thing. For years, studies into the production of things like this have been known as “Liberal Arts”…

Mistress_Dee on April 20, 2007 at 10:23 am

Beauty is truth, truth beauty,óthat is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.’ – Keats.
Where is the truth in what happened at Virginia Tech?
Watching these Youtube videos made me disgusted.
We know that a madman killed 32 beautiful people. We know that the VT authorities say they did their best. We know that many knew there was a mentally sick person walking around, a psychopath. We know that when there was opportunity to prevent the threat poised by this madman no one had the courage to succeed. He needed more than a friend, he needed treatment.
There are an estimated 10 thousand psychopaths walking among us. Where will they strike next?
We are faced with madmen who lead nations and threaten the existence of free societies today. Some of these madmen hide behind religious words to confuse us. But in our hearts we know better.
Who has the courage and intelligence to stop them?

Happiness Pursuer on April 20, 2007 at 10:25 am

Drek, You seem to be tripping over the difference between assimilating the facts and allegiance to ignorance.

Happiness Pursuer on April 20, 2007 at 11:01 am

Yes. That was a stretch, Drek. How about the other 99% of what appears in her blog? (I’m signing out to let others have their say).

Happiness Pursuer on April 20, 2007 at 11:28 am

There were also some “good Nazis.” It’s a shame they were besmirched by all those people trying to warn us about the dangers of Nazism.
There were also some “good Communists.” It’s a shame… you get the idea.
When the sword is at your throat, don’t forget to remind them how you defended their rights to their beliefs (a courtesy I highly doubt you afford Christians and Jews).

bleechers on April 20, 2007 at 11:39 am

bleechers, what in the world are you talking about? I’m not defending anyone’s beliefs here. What I am pointing out is how Debbie is being a hypocrite. She’s being critical at people for using the shooting at VaTech to further their own narrow-minded political goals, while she has done the very same thing.
And for the record, even though I don’t follow any particular faith, i am respectful of their beliefs. What I am not respectful of however, are people who spew their bigotry at any given opportunity.

D*Rek on April 20, 2007 at 12:06 pm

The Qu’ran states that those with “no faith” should be killed. Is that not bigotry? Do you know that if you lived in an Islamic nation that would be murdered for having “no faith” (not following any particular faith)? What do you call that?
Quran 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.”
Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said, ëTwo religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ëAllah has given permission for you to be expelled.”
Quran 60:4″We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.'”
Quran 9:66 “Make no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for they are disbelievers.”
Quran 4:90″If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Quran 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Islamic faith]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone.”
These surats alone explain why the Middle East is the way it is and why Muslims have such hatred for Non-Muslims

the_don on April 20, 2007 at 12:53 pm

Granted… but I wasn’t so much commenting on defending their beliefs (a poor choice of words on my part I admit) but rather defending the notion that Islam presents no inherent danger in an of itself.
Private and personal religious belief is one thing, but Islam is as much a political and social ideology as it is theological.
If someone is a Klansman, he can say or do what he wants, but his choice of affiliation gives us cause for suspicion (and the Klan is responsible for FAR LESS violence than is Islam and it has never called for genocide). The Klan has a membership of around 17 these days. It is far less a threat, yet we’d never let our suspicions be termed “bigotry.”
I’d be particularly dubious of any pious talk of a Klansman if he refused to denounce the vile practices and beliefs of his fellow Klansmen.
I don’t count it bigotry to warn people concerning what the vast majority of adherents (or the leadership) of a particular philosophy (religious or political) openly espouse.

bleechers on April 20, 2007 at 12:55 pm

So D*Rek,
What do you believe in then? The Great Pumpkin, the Tooth Fairy, the Travelocity Roaming Gnome? I’m always amused at twits who come out with statements such as, “I don’t believe in one particular faith…” or “I’m really neutral in this war…”. The hypocrisy of that jibberish is that you have, indeed, made a choice. If you don’t play the game, you can’t make the rules. Don’t stand there on the sidelines gaffing people at their “hypocrisy” over bigoted statements yet you have the audacity to bitch about people’s views regarding the videos and the motive(s) behind the killer. Yes, you heard me right; the little goon is a KILLER, not a perpetrator, a misunderstood person, a poor mentally challenged individual. As far as your rant about Debbie’s comments regarding student visas, I agree with her out and out-I know from firsthand experience. I’ve been with legacy INS, now ICE, for 25 years and seen all the abuse and scams associated with aliens coming into the country to “study”, only to have them disappear off the radar and wind up in prison, smuggling dope, burglarizing homes, and the list goes on. Where’s your expertise in the matter? If you listen to the dialogue of the recordings this puke made, he didn’t get the ideas from watching too many reruns of “Miami Vice” or “Homicide”.
Too many people saw the writing on the wall that this was coming but didn’t act because we’ve panty-waisted our society and methodically castrated our ability to act on anything which indicates malfeasance or criminal wrongdoing.

1shot1kill on April 20, 2007 at 1:14 pm

Just as the suicide bombers would make a farwell video of themselves before they would go on their death mission, Cho emulated their idea to do the same. I have no doubt in my mind that he had a handler who orchestrated the shooting massacre. He also must have had someone who was filming this video. I think and am almost sure that this could of been a probable conspiracy involved but only the Man from Above would reaaly know. The media sources are not reliable so I don’t count on them. It was an absolute disgrace to see Geraldo Rivera covering up the face of the murderer on Fox for those who have seen that clip. Now you understand why media’s ratings are plummeting. Who has time to watch the p.c. puppets in the newsrooms cover the butt of this murderer just because he happens to be of asian decent? Not me.

Jew Chick on April 20, 2007 at 1:20 pm

1shot1kill:
First off I’m Agnostic, I don’t know what’s out there and I’m not going to know until I die, so I’m not going to worry about it (although given my recent travel problems, perhaps I should start paying tribute to the Travelocity Roaming Gnome). However, just because I don’t believe in one (or any faith) I do have a right to be “in the game” as you put it.
And I agree with you wholeheartedly, the little bastard is a cold hearted killer, who if he had been found alive should have been taken out behind the building, shot numerous times and have his body tossed in the nearest trash compactor. However, you are confusing a real issue (student visas) with my issue with Debbie, and frankly, others in the media using this to further their own narrow-minded points.
There are so many valid points to be made in this situation. Like how was someone who had been committed against his will and been found to be a danger to both himself and the general public still allowed to buy a gun? Why aren’t law abiding citizens allowed to carry guns in certain places? Why wasn’t the school allowed to notify his roomates that he had been deemed a danger?
But instead of debating those issues, we are left with people like Debbie who scream “terrorism” when there is no connection, and people like Jack Thompson and Dr. Phil who blamed Video Games.
And frankly i agree with you that our society has gotten to the point where even though there are signs that someone is a threat, there is nothing anyone can do until they pull a gun. There needs to be changes. That is something we need to spend out time debating, not whether or not we can bash Muslims over this.

D*Rek on April 20, 2007 at 2:17 pm

My final comment to Drek. You have as much right as anyone to be in this game.
We agree- the little shit should have been taken out, and he, more than anyone knew it. He did it himself. Society failed to meet its obligation to remove him to a safe place. The school failed; and it hides behind false walls.
Ms. Schlussel is frequently on target; I’d say 99% on target. She can defend her positions here, should she choose. As for me, I don’t expect perfection. I wouldn’t recognize it.
How is your perfection score these days?

Happiness Pursuer on April 20, 2007 at 3:12 pm

Fraudulent applications whether for immigration benefits or to get into college run pretty consistent. Catch these problems early and you can protect your school. This guy’s sister (a Princeton grad) wrote and prepared his application and they most likely lied like dogs. That is my gut instinct. Guys I went to college with got expelled for a lot less than this guy. Does VTech have a law school? If not, hire one and don’t be afraid to stick up for yourself by expelling students that don’t respect the institution and its representatives, they are supposed to be adults. Even Major League Baseball has investigators on the payroll, or at least retained. One telephone interview with this kid could have nixed his application. I’ll bet if you pull his application he has listed himself as voted “Most Likely to Suceed”
or “Most Popular” and Student Body President.

code7 on April 20, 2007 at 5:49 pm

There’s a REAL LIFE tribute playing out in Houston right now, and got a link to Northern California’s Cho-impersonator up top in your movie reviews…looks like you NEED to do some prep before you can make a big splash in the headlines…figures it’s whitboys doing the imitating though—MONKEY SEE syndrome.

EminemsRevenge on April 20, 2007 at 6:06 pm

Take a gander at this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/04/was_cho_taught_to_hate.html
Is it any wonder what pushed this kid past the line of reasonable thought?

warpmine on April 20, 2007 at 9:43 pm

warpmine:
So if the course material pushed him over the line, why didn’t it push any of the HUNDREDS OF OTHER STUDENTS over the line. Blaming his actions on that of Games, Movies, or Course Material is dangerous and irresponsible.
This kid was mentally ill. Period.

D*Rek on April 20, 2007 at 10:00 pm

I’m not surprised but was surprised at this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3013559.stm I kow this is an old story but the intent freaked me

KOAJaps on April 21, 2007 at 12:05 am

I’m for gun control and ban for non-citizens and permanent residents. If you want to be a gun owner? thenn become an American

KOAJaps on April 21, 2007 at 12:07 am

D*Rek said, “So if the course material pushed him over the line, why didn’t it push any of the HUNDREDS OF OTHER STUDENTS over the line.”
Assuming that was a question: It is pushing HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS over the line. The line that separates intelligence from stupidity. Apparantly education at VT is circling the same socialists bowl as the rest of American academia. Cho was just the latest flush.

Southernops on April 21, 2007 at 10:49 am

Assuming that was a question: It is pushing HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS over the line. The line that separates intelligence from stupidity. Apparantly education at VT is circling the same socialists bowl as the rest of American academia. Cho was just the latest flush.
Posted by: Southernops [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 21, 2007 10:49 AM
And this is why gun rights should apply to U.S. citizens, not legal immigrants or green card holders. And if anyone hee is a green card holder or have a visa, then become a U.S. citizen and enjoy your rights afforded to you. But until then, you should have no rightss as a non-citizen.

KOAJaps on April 21, 2007 at 2:20 pm

We now know that Cho suffered froma form of Autism, he was bullied at the previous dorm and was extremely intraverted in his personality. This is just how Islamofacist mullahs seduce their homocide bombers to do their bidding.
Think about being down in the dumps makes you feel when sonmeone directs you to a revolutionary that sees the same thing, how are you going to react? Most will tend to take on the cause because it identifies with their plight.

warpmine on April 21, 2007 at 8:58 pm

I was going to say “and next you will try to link Cho’s Autism to Islam”.. but u already did..
I’m sure you are already working on a theory to link Hitler with Islam/Muslims.. It is very easy to link virtually everything and find a connection towards another. What is hard and bold, is accepting that good and bad people exist across borders, faith and culture. Just like there are bad “muslims” and evil-doers, there are good muslims and peace-loving people.
Once again.. totally shell-shocked to find so many Americans showing signs of outright hatred towards an entire people.. 99% (or more) of whom they don’t even know.

Mofsound on April 24, 2007 at 1:59 pm

I heard he went hunting for dinner and mistake all 32 for different breeds of dog. Hey, I may be wrong. Just what I heard

KOAJaps on April 25, 2007 at 3:39 am