does the sight have a english page somewhere?if this is what they are saying,everybody needs to see it,shows the truth about the rop.

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 6:13 pm

D*Rek,i imagine it allready happened without anybody say pray for the muslims,because they prayed FOR ALL OF THEM not just one religion over another,its called compasion,not that a muslim would even know what that means.
EXACTLY.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 6:19 pm

“Allah the Most Merciful” Yeah right. There is reform needed in islam. And Dreck, the victims should be treated as innocents, regardless of their faith. I don’t think any reasonable people of any faith would object to praying for INNOCENT victims, muslim or otherwise, anywhere, anytime.

JBarsimson on April 19, 2007 at 6:27 pm

yup,they even pray for gods forgiveness after their death because they knew not what evil they followin.

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 6:37 pm

Christians and Jews do more than pray for Muslims. There are Christians and Jews in our armed forces who are fighting and dying to help Muslims be free in Iraq and Afganistan. Christians and Jews fought to save Muslim lives in Bosnia and Somalia. The thanks they got from Al Qaeda and their sympathizers in the Muslim world is the 9/11 and other terrorist attacks.

FreethinkerNY on April 19, 2007 at 6:40 pm

D*Rek,do sunni/shia muslims pray for eachother over the dead each causes the other?

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 6:42 pm

Oh,and just what are the muslims saying,by saying you cant even pray for murdered kids?

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 6:46 pm

what is it saying about muslims,when most of the killing is done by another muslim?thats allah’s plan,to have you kill each other off?maybe this allah guy aint so bad,then.

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 6:48 pm

dont muslims mock EVERYBODY”S religion?when they say we dont “follow”the right path?yours is right,ours is wrong?

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 6:50 pm

Anybody who has read the Qur’an won’t be surprised that Muslims can’t pray for dead infidels. It’s stated many times that if you die without accepting Islam, you’re toast (literally).
Praying now is simply too late. Muslims actually believe that 32 more people are already being roasted in Hell. What a great religion! Doncha just LOVE it???

stevecanuck on April 19, 2007 at 6:53 pm

I’m not surprised by this, but what is disturbing is that there are college guys out there named
“Chris” (named for Christ) who have converted to Islam.
Why is this happening, and how widespread is it? Is this part of the MSA’s campaign of Da’wa? Why would a student who enjoys all that a top university has to offer be attracted to a fascistic medieval religion that has nothing in common with the freedoms of 21st century America?
Please explain.

sonomaca on April 19, 2007 at 6:53 pm

Double standards will exist until we either capitulate and become Dhimmi (not my idea of a good time) or stand up and make it clear that we are a “melting pot” and those who wish to become part of the “pot” need to go along to get along.
IMHO, we keep up the good work by sending out the myriad examples of the radical Muslims shooting themselves in their collective feet and it should get a lot easier. A good example would be this one, showing that while Christians and Jews are magnanimous to pray for all people who died regardless of religion, Muslims only pray for other Muslims and congratulate whatever disaster or tragedy became of the non-Muslims.

Hokiecon on April 19, 2007 at 7:09 pm

“Patriot 10”, Islam doesn’t mock other peoples religion, any more than Christianity does. Both religions have a “we’re right, you’re wrong” mentality. As a non-believer (Agnostic) I’ve heard the “I’m right, you’re wrong” speech numerous times.
And since you view of praying for the non-believing dead from a Christian perspective is centered around praying for their forgiveness, let me ask you something. If someone you cared about was killed, which would offend you more, a Muslim not praying for your loss, or a Muslim praying to Allah for forgiveness on their behalf?

D*Rek on April 19, 2007 at 8:00 pm

As far as I know, it extends to charity as well. Jews and Christians do charity for others without asking what their religion is. Jews don’t proselytize people of other faiths, and Christians do, so non-Christians sometimes say that Christians have an ulterior motive in their charity, but true Christians respect free will, so really they don’t. But I seem to recall that the koran directs Moslems to only do charity for Moslems.
I don’t mind that their theology forbids them to pray for nonbelievers, dead or alive. But the fact that their propagandists try to make everyone believe that they pray to the same deity and that we all just need to sing a big religious kumbaya together. They don’t/can’t pray for us, but they sure like to pretend that they do.
And so what was that pro-Khomeni Islamic imam doing at the Texas Senate bldg, opening in prayer April 4, 2007? I knew that he was praying for Moslems and against Christians and Jews, but some Americans are so gullible! And when he prayed for this country, you can guess what he was praying.
The video is on the senate website, google texas senate website realmedia, look for April 4 and then listen to Sen. Shapiro talk about the imam after his “prayer”.

mennyiben on April 19, 2007 at 8:50 pm

The Catholic Church has taught the following: praying with “heretics” (i.e. non-Catholics) is cause for excommunication; outside the Catholic Church and submission to the Pope there is no salvation.
I could quote scores of similar (and worse) statements from Popes and Councils, but these will do.
The former infallible teaching quoted is from the 1917 Code of Canon Law under the auspices of Benedict XV.
Now, I usually get nasty emails and I am labeled as an “anti-Catholic bigot” when I QUOTE the Popes and Councils… so suffice it to say, these Muslim students aren’t practicing anything that wasn’t standard Catholicism for centuries.
Leo XIII stated that Catholic doctrines are never to be reinterpreted and they are never to be said to be “better understood.”
I am not trying to equate the imminent and violent threat posed Islam with the doctrines of Rome, however, there are some insidious doctrines still held by Rome that pose their own threat (as the Founders understood).

bleechers on April 19, 2007 at 8:56 pm

Well, it’s intresting to see you single out one person in the story, but forget the second muslim person who said to keep all of them in your prayers not just the muslim students.
As a person who grew up in a evangelical christian Church, we were taught that all those who did not believe Jesus was their lord and personal savior, are going to hell. So i couldn’t pray for God to watch a muslim, I could only pray that god would lead the Muslim into the true faith. If he died, i could not share my condolences with his family, because he was an unbeliever burning for eternity in hell.
I see no difference in this christian way of thinking, and this one muslim person that you pointed out.
If your not a christian you’re going to burn in Hell for the rest of your life, so says the famous men of God from Fallwell, to Hagee, to Patty Rob.

plrlctzns on April 19, 2007 at 9:21 pm

plrlctzns: Are you ignorant or just another Muslim apologist?
New Testament: Mathew 5:44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

mennyiben on April 19, 2007 at 9:42 pm

plrlctzns, any set of rules are valid if they can give evidence as to their validity. That is, if there were evidence of the truthfulness of Islam then we would be fools not to obey its dictates. However, I find no reason to believe its claims.
For almost all systems of belief, praying for the dead is a useless effort. Even in Catholicism, they can only pray for those who died in a “state of grace.”
I pray for the living.
For the record, I am an Evangelical Christian, yet I do not believe in the doctrine of eternal torment (neither did Tyndale nor Luther, by the way).

bleechers on April 19, 2007 at 9:45 pm

You can’t compare Christianity and Judaism to Islam.
Islamic society considers Christians as 2nd class citizens. Jews are almost considered as animals in Islamic society.Women are considered to be worse than dirt. (read the Qu’ran)There is no room for agnostics,hindus,sikhs,atheists,etc in Islam. Other religion or no religion is prohibited. In Islamic society non-Muslims get their throats slit. Read about whats happening to Christians in Turkey.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4731196.html
Now I ask you all an honest question…How many times does this sort of thing happen against Muslims in Muslim minority countries?
Islam is hypocrisy. But because people want to be blindly “tolerant” of everything…Islam will take over the world. It sounds crazy to people who are uninformed but this is what many thousand Islamic religious leaders have called for in mosques and public speeches.
http://www.theirownwords.com/

the_don on April 19, 2007 at 10:01 pm

Islam should be rephrased to as the religion of pitiless.I’m so bloody fed up with these merciless throat cutters being refered to as the practitioners of the religion of peace. To them, a loss of a non-muslim equates to a loss of a penny or something that is worthless. Our blood is cheap in their hatefull eyes and they continue to degrade us for not being worthy enough to be prayed for. The only thing they would gladly pray for is for more shooting massacres to occur or for the demise of western civilization.

Jew Chick on April 19, 2007 at 10:29 pm

to mennyiben:
Perhaps you should look at the present state of Catholicism rather than its past. You might find that the Church of Rome evolved and has continually done so for the past few hundred years. This is not in line with what seems to be your perception of the Holy See and the principles of the Vatican.
For example, back in 2001-
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“Pope set to visit mosque
March 6, 2001
Web posted at: 11:04 AM EST (1604 GMT)
link: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/03/06/pope.syria/
DAMASCUS, Syria — Pope John Paul II is expected to be the first pope to enter a mosque when he visits Syria in May, an archbishop said.
Syrian Archbishop Isidore Battikha said the Pope will enter the historic Omayyad Mosque — where legend says the head of St. John the Baptist is buried.
A joint Christian-Muslim prayer is planned afterwards outside the mosque, the archbishop said. ”
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I’d also suggest you look at a few other links such as this one-
http://www.daughtersofstpaul.com/johnpaulpapacy/meetjp/thepope/jpislam.html.
It’s really easy to find a lot more than this. Just google “Pope John Paul II Islam Mosque”.
Oh, and please keep in mind that this is a man who was the victim of an assasination attempt, perpetrated by a Turkish Muslim in the employ of the KGB. This quote is taken from Wikipedia regarding how the Pope regarded and acted upon this attempt on his life:
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“Two days after Christmas 1983, John Paul II visited the prison where his would-be assassin was being held. The two spoke privately for 20 minutes. John Paul II said, “What we talked about will have to remain a secret between him and me. I spoke to him as a brother whom I have pardoned and who has my complete trust.”
further on it also states that: “Pope John Paul II was also one of the targets of the Al Qaeda-funded Operation Bojinka during a visit to the Philippines in 1995.”
______________________________________________
Compare and contrast the two religions, both in words and in actions, but in the present and not in terms of years past. I’d be curious to see if an Ayatollah or Imam would react the same way.
This doesn’t sound like the practices you put forth where a Pope not only entered a Mosque for the first time ever, but also was planning a joint prayer session. Even the current Pope is following the same path of peace, tolerance and understanding toward Islam.
So, what you say definitely makes you sound anti-Catholic to me.

Mistress_Dee on April 19, 2007 at 10:39 pm

my apologies- that should have been directed to bleechers, not mennybin. I misread the tag line- again, sincere apologies for the misdirect…

Mistress_Dee on April 19, 2007 at 10:43 pm

plrlctzns: Are you ignorant or just another Muslim apologist?
mennyiben, you read what you wanted to read, not what plrlctzns actually wrote. plrlctzns was absolutely correct in pointing out that many devout Christians believe that if a person isn’t a Christian, that person isn’t going to heaven.
Or put it another way, if someone were to ask an Evangelical Christian if Prof. Liviu Librescu, a Jew who gave up his life to save others in the VT massacre, was going to heaven or hell, what would that Christian say? Would he simply say “yes”, or would he say that because Prof. Librescu wasn’t a Christian or didn’t accept Jesus at the moment of his death, Prof. Librescu was going to hell (John 14:6: “Jesus answered: ‘No one comes to the Father except through me'”)
mennyiben, I know you’ll probably disagree with me, but please let us be civil. Thanks.
To the_don,
“Now I ask you all an honest question…How many times does this sort of thing happen against Muslims in Muslim minority countries?”
Some will say “many times” in Israel, but that is not my belief. India might be a better example. Hindus have many times killed people because of their religion like Christians, Sikhs, and Muslims, but it is also true that Muslims have killed Hindus and Christians.
As an atheist, I’m plenty worried about Islamic fundementalism as much as you are; but what amazes me is that SOME of the same criticisms of the Koran can be also be applied to the Bible.
the_don, this may seem like a silly question to you but what if the Koran did come from God? I don’t want you to neccessarily answer it here, but I do want you to think about it.
We can be civil about this, ok?

jaillibby2 on April 19, 2007 at 10:46 pm

And since you view of praying for the non-believing dead from a Christian perspective is centered around praying for their forgiveness, let me ask you something. If someone you cared about was killed, which would offend you more, a Muslim not praying for your loss, or a Muslim praying to Allah for forgiveness on their behalf?
Posted by: D*Rek
well normal people would say i appreciate your prayers at this time of crises….does that mean i beleive in his religion?heck no,but i would appreaciate their compassion, mis guided or not at least they showed they understand the pain your going through

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 11:04 pm

“Patriot 10”, Islam doesn’t mock other peoples religion, any more than Christianity does. Both religions have a “we’re right, you’re wrong” mentality. As a non-believer (Agnostic) I’ve heard the “I’m right, you’re wrong” speech numerous times….yes it probly does,BUT they still pray for them to be at peice,where muslims just say they did not follow allah so screw them.thats not how a human being with feelings thinks about people who were brutily murdered

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 11:11 pm

“the Church of Rome evolved”
Great! We agree that the claim of “continuity of faith” and the claims of “infallibility” are nonsense.
If you don’t trust the path to eternal life as taught by scores of Popes and Councils, why do you trust them about anything?
Leo XIII clearly stated that Catholic doctrine can NEVER be reinterpreted (nor is it ever wrong). In fact, to say that CC doctrine “evolves” is “heresy” according to the Popes.
Do you have any idea what the Popes have infallibly declared about Islam specifically and about non-Catholics in general? If you want to agree with me that Popes and Councils were in grave error for a millenia, I’m happy to oblige.
BUT the RCC still claims to be the “only” true church and the “only” vehicle of salvation on earth. I take it that if Falwell made these claims about the Southern Baptists, you’d take offense.
If it’s “anti-Catholic” to quote the Popes, somebody is going to have to explain that conclusion to me. If you don’t like what they’ve said for a mellenia, complain to them, I didn’t write their doctrines.

bleechers on April 19, 2007 at 11:17 pm

i could not share my condolences with his family, because he was an unbeliever burning for eternity in hell.Posted by: plrlctzns….bullsh@t,even if you didnt wanna pray that the deceased found peice,you cant comfort the hurting family?where does it say,if somebody dies and dont ask for jesus forgiveness,and they go to hell,you can just say forget the familly?who cares about their comfort in a great time of need?whats that story about the footprints on the beach?the person says something about sometimes it was only 1 set of footprints,and jesus says something about they were His footprints,and he was carrying you at the worst times in your life.something like that anyway.

patriot10 on April 19, 2007 at 11:19 pm

Debbie,
Spot on posting of this situation. I can’t ever imagine being so callous to say the stuff that he said. I’m glad in a way that these people are being exposed for what they are.

Highrise on April 20, 2007 at 1:12 am

This is one of the most horrendous stories I believe I’ve read even coming from you, Ms. Schlussel. First of all the facts you report are incorrect, the supposed “outrage” and “debate” did not occur over the student Muslim student association listserv as you proclaim, rather it occurred over a different student group listserv. Secondly, How is there any supposed “OUTRAGE” as you so boldly capitalize and claim? Clearly there is a debate as to a theological issue, but so far we see that none of it has even taken outside of the realm of cyberspace in anything more than in the form of polite differences of opinion. I believe what happened is simply a difference in understanding of words, surely even if Hijji had stated that supplication and prayer were not suitable, he did not exclude feeling sorrow and/or offering support, both emotional and financial. And, indeed, if you talk to members of the Virginia Tech MSA you will find that they offer exactly that: thoughts, support, and sympathy; which is exactly what most everyone else is doing except apparently for you, who is too busy trying to find a way to bash Islam and muslims. Your implicit insistence on the phrase “offering of prayer” is a reflection of your desire to highlight the supposed insensitivity of all of Islam and all muslims. You attempting to smear muslim students at Virginia Tech who are undoubtedly going through a difficult situation as it is with the shootings and you trying to blame the shooting on a “paki” muslim all while one of the very close-knit members of their muslim community having been killed is utterly deplorable. Additionally, just go to the Virginia Tech MSA website, where it boldly proclaims their strong solidarity with the members of the community of all faiths and backgrounds. Unforutnately, I do not expect you to do that, you will continue to find a way to demonize muslims and Islam in a tragedy which has no links to either. I am sorry for whatever happened in your buried past to make you hate muslims and Islam as you do; I pray that your hate will not fester and cause you harm and that you may find peace in your own religious beliefs instead of mocking others’. I’m also curious, since you seem to have acquired your supposed fluency in Arabic post-grad., did you do the personal translation of the all-Arabic website (aafaq.org) ?

Serp on April 20, 2007 at 1:50 am

You really need to ask a muslim only one question about his one religion in his one lifetime. Do you love Jews???

ReallyReallyStupid on April 20, 2007 at 5:11 am

Serp, the only people known worldwide for their festering hatred are Muslims. There is nothing “buried” in the motivation of Debbie, or me, or anyone else here who tries to educate the world about the death cult called Islam. I’d say our thoughts and feelings were formed by world events, as reported by eyewitnesses. If anyone needs prayers, it’s you and your fellow Muslims, that you may soon be freed from the tyranny of a Satanic cult.
D*rek, you should pray for forgiveness for the sin of stupidity; repent! and sin no more. For someone who claims no belief in religion, you sure possess a zeal for defending Islam. Best to study and present some facts before you attempt a compare-and-contrast exercise on Islam and other religions.

AmericanJewess on April 20, 2007 at 5:42 am

Serp, NAME ONE GOOD THING the Muslims have done for their fellow citizens of earth. Name one. That is all I ask. (Selling oil doesn’t count.)
The Jews have made tremendous contributions to the world in the way of medicine and surgery, just as one tiny example. The Christians are tireless in their work to provide relief and aid to third world countries, always at their own financial expense, and again, just one tiny example.
What have the Muslims done?
And don’t go frothing at the mouth or crying crocodile tears about “hate.” Answer the question.

AmericanJewess on April 20, 2007 at 5:46 am

“Allah the Most Merciful forbids praying for mercy for the non-Muslim dead, or even for the non-Muslim living,”
Am I the only one seeing how sinisterly ironic this sentence is?

Witch-king of Angmar on April 20, 2007 at 6:01 am

ARAB / ISLAMIC NOBEL WINNERS
From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims, 20% of World’s Population (2 out of every 10 people) :
Literature
Najib Mahfooz 1988*.
Peace
1978 Anwar El-Sadat
1994 Yasser Arafat… A Joke!!! **
2003 – Shirin Ebadi
2005 – Mohamed ElBaradei
Chemistry
1999 – Ahmed Zewail
Physics
Abdus Salam
* Najib was stabbed in the back by Egyptian Moslem fundamentalists in 1997 because he supported the Peace Process between the Arabs (“Palestinians”) and Israelis. Najib was partially paralyzed as a result.
**The Norwegians played an ugly joke on the world by pretending Arafat was a Man of Peace.
Note: Elias James Corey (Chemistry 1990), Peter Brian Medawar (Medicine 1960) and Ferid Mourad (Medicine 1998) are Nobel Prize winners but are Arab-Christians, not Muslims.
Kaare Kristiansen was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel “Peace Prize” to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a “terrorist.”
JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS
From a pool of 12 million Jews, 0.2% of the World’s Population (2 out of every 1,000 people) :
Literature
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pasternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer
2002 – Imre Kertesz
2005 – Harold PinterWorld Peace
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
1995 – Joseph RotblatChemistry
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 – William Howard Stein
1972 – C.B. Anfinsen
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Ronald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Herbert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1989 – Sidney Altman
1992 – Rudolph Marcus
1998 – Walter Kohn
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
2004 – Irwin Rose
2004 – Avram Hershko
2004 – Aaron Ciechanover
Economics
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1973 – Wassily Leontief
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Milton Friedman
1978 – Herbert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 Rober Fogel
1994 – John Harsanyi
1994 – Reinhard Selten
1997 – Robert Merton
1997 – Myron Scholes
2001 – George Akerlof
2001 – Joseph Stiglitz
2002 – Daniel Kahneman
2005 – Robert J. AumannMedicine
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Arthur Kornberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 – David Baltimore
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1977 – Andrew V. Schally
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1994 – Martin Rodbell
1995 – Edward B. Lewis
1997 – Stanley B. Prusiner
1998 – Robert F. Furchgott
2000 – Eric R. Kandel
2002 – Sydney Brenner
2002 – Robert H. Horvitz
Physics
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1945 – Wolfgang Pauli
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1958 – Il’ja Mikhailovich
1958 – Igor Yevgenyevich
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Donald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadter
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1963 – Eugene P. Wigner
1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1967 – Hans Albrecht Bethe
1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1972 – Leon N. Cooper
1973 – Brian David Josephson
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1992 – Georges Charpak
1995 – Martin Perl
1995 – Frederick Reines
1996 – David M. Lee
1996 – Douglas D. Osheroff
1997 – Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
2000 – Zhores I. Alferov
2003 – Vitaly Ginsburg
2003 – Alexei Abrikosov
2004 – David Gross
2004 – H. David Politzer
2005 – Roy Glauber
There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world, yet they have received 169 Nobel Prizes.The Muslims number 1.4 Billion (with a very big “B”)… or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 22,260 Nobel Laureates.They have SEVEN! and one of them [Arafat] is a murderer (Allahu Akbar, indeed!).
Unless the Swedes and Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings, pizza shop bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarism, the embarrassingly low level of contributions to the welfare of Civilization and Mankind by the [Arab] Muslim world will continue. The Jewish People, meanwhile, will continue being the Lights Unto All Nations.
*************
Cubed here: If we add to the spectacular numbers of Jewish Nobel Laureates the Nobel Prizes awarded to other Infidels, then the dearth of Muslim Nobel Prize winners is even more embarrassing to our Muslim friends.
From a similar list of Jewish Nobel Laureates from another site , there is this comment nicely summing up some other, equally embarrassing differences between Jews and Muslims:
“The Jews are not demonstrating with their dead on the streets, yelling and chanting and asking for revenge, the Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.
“The Jews don’t highjack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, the Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
“The Jews don’t have the economical strength of the Petroleum, nor the possibilities to force the world’s media to see “their side” of the question. Perhaps if the world’s Muslims could invest more in normal education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems, we could all live in a better world.”

AmericanJewess on April 20, 2007 at 6:15 am

Oops, some of our list of Jewish Nobel Prize winners got cut off in the last message. There are more!
HISTORY LIST OF NOBEL WINNERS
Arab/Islamic NOBEL Winners
19.6% of World’s Population 1.2 billion Muslims [Now 1.6 Billion]
Physics
1979 Abdus Salaam [originally omitted on Sabranet list, but see my disclaimer below NOTE1]
Literature
1957 Albert Camus [actually a Spanish/French pied noir]
1988 – Najib Mahfooz [actually Naguib Mahfouz was stabbed by Muslims for his blasphemy]
Peace
1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 – Yaser Arafat
2003 – Shirin Ebadi (first Iranian, third Muslim, 11th woman to win peace prize)
2005 – Mohamed ElBaradei
Chemistry
1990 Elias James Corey [actually Lebanese Christian]
1999 – Ahmed Zewail
Medicine
1960 Peter Brian Medawar [born in Rio, Brazil to Lebanese Christian father]
1998 Ferid Mourad [his father was Muslim, mother Baptist and raised in a Catholic community. He was baptized Episcopalian in college]
Updated total: 7 (of which 4 [Peace] do not involve creativity at all)
It is noteworthy that Shirin Ebadi’s Peace Prize was awarded precisely for being anti-Islamic: promoting human rights and democracy in Iran.
NOTE1 : As for Professor Salam, he was born in Jhang, Pakistan in 1926, educated at Panjab University, St. John’s College, Cambridge and Cavendish Laboratory, Cambridge where he obtained his Ph.D. in 1952. He then returned to Pakistan where he served as Professor at Government College, Lahore and Panjab University. It was here that he found intellectual pursuits being stifled. There was postgraduate work of any value; there were no journals written; there were no scientific conferences. Given the choice between physics or Pakistan, he returned to Cambridge to take up the position of Lecturer. In 1957 he was appointed Full Professor of Theoretical Physics at Imperial College. Certainly if he stayed in Pakistan he would never have accomplished anything of note, nor would he ever have won a Nobel Prize.
JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS
0.2% OF WORLD’S POPULATION 14.1 Million Jews [16 million – my estimate]
Literature
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pasternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer
World Peace
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
Chemistry
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 – William Howard Stein
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Roald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Albert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1989 – Sidney Altman
1992 – Rudolph Marcus
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
Economics
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Milton Friedman
1978 – Herbert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 – Rober Fogel
1994 – Harsanyi, John C.
2001 – Stiglitz, Joseph E.
2001 – Akerlof, George A.
2002 – Kahneman, Daniel
Medicine
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Arthur Kornberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 – David Baltimore
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1995 – Edward B. Lewis
1997 – Prusiner, Stanley B.
1998 – Furchgott, Robert F.
2000 – Kandel, Eric R.
2000 – Greengard, Paul
Physics
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Donald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadter
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1973 – Brian David Josephson
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1995 – Martin Perl
1996 – Osheroff, Douglas D.
1996 – Lee, David M
1997 – Cohen-Tannoudji, Claude
Total 139
No wonder Muslims hate Jews: It’s so embarrassing to see what Jews have accomplished compared to a population 100 times larger. But in some respects one may wonder if indeed Jews control the world – it seems they control the Nobel Prize Awards Committee.
It would do Muslims well to start teaching their children important things other than how to blow themselves up. Please consider:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.

AmericanJewess on April 20, 2007 at 6:21 am

That was all serious, but this is just for fun.
Muslim Inventions: http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/02/how_the_world_looks_when_youve.html

AmericanJewess on April 20, 2007 at 6:30 am

I have no idea whether or not this will get pasts the moderator here, I would doubt it.
However, the post, assuming your English translation is correct, is completely false and misleading.
From your post, there was no “outrage”, no VT muslim “up in arms” over the prayer request. In fact, the only person who commented against praying fro the non-Muslim dead is a student affairs person from another university.
From what you posted, the original prayer request came from a VT muslim and the only other VT person to respond was “Chris” who argued for praying for all the dead.
Its an embarrassingly mistated post.

TheHonorableMemberFromGSPM on April 20, 2007 at 8:45 am

Well, nice to see at least there isn’t the moderation that the comment box would have lead me to believe.

TheHonorableMemberFromGSPM on April 20, 2007 at 8:45 am

http://www.theirownwords.com/site/showvideo/20
I feel sad for this moron.

the_don on April 20, 2007 at 8:54 am

jaillibby, there are a lot of apples and oranges discussion here. plrlctzns wrote:
So i couldn’t pray for God to watch a muslim,
They also wrote that they couldn’t offer condolences to a muslim family! That is so bogus! Christians pray for people of all faiths. Christians stick their noses everywhere in fact. I do NOT like TBN one bit, but I remember seeing it one day years ago, and they were going to Jordan and outfitting Jordanian orphanages and speaking to Queen Noor and praying for Jordanians, which as a Christian, made me mad, because Jordan is anti-Jewish, but a lot of Christiandom is Christiandumb.
For the record, many Christians believe that all Israel will be saved, but that is a theological question, we are discussing here the fact that Chris at VT Tech, a recent Moslem convert, wanted to pray for non-Moslems and was told that you aren’t even supposed to pray for them to recover from a shooting.
I did not argue with plrlctzns’ statement that Christians believe that non-Christians are going to hell. Guess what, every religion has the same basic belief, even the New Agers, and the scientologists and the buddhists and the mormons. Theology by its nature teaches that each way is the right way. It’s not always expressed in Heaven and Hell, but it’s almost always that those who aren’t following the way in question will be penalized, either will be reincarnated to a lower life form because they weren’t tolerant enough (i.e., Christians would be penalized in that religious viewpoint), or will not get to go with the aliens, or will be taken out by Xenu, etc. I’ve heard teachings by some Eastern religious followers who teach that people like Hitler are in the world because of judgmental people like Christians who don’t pray for souls like Hitler’s to be elevated. It doesn’t bother me that other people have exclusive theology, it bothers me when Christians are singled out as if they are the only ones.
ReallyReallyStupid: Exactly! But if you ask them if they love Jews, they might say “yes” because they have a different definition for “love” and a different definition for “Jews”. The better question is: Can a Jew live in your country of origin?
bleechers who wrote: The Catholic Church has taught the following: praying with “heretics” (i.e. non-Catholics) is cause for excommunication;
I see the Catholics have weighed in. I used to be one and I remember the priest would lead the church in prayer for the world, the sick, etc. Do we really need to have an ecumenical world religion? Why would anyone expect Catholics to pray WITH other religions? Protestants don’t pray to Mary, Jews don’t pray to Jesus and Christians don’t pray to Buddha, so that’s why religions usually “pray amongst themselves”. The non-religious like to call it bigotry.

mennyiben on April 20, 2007 at 9:35 am

AmericanJewess posted:
* Najib was stabbed in the back by Egyptian Moslem fundamentalists in 1997 because he supported the Peace Process between the Arabs (“Palestinians”) and Israelis. Najib was partially paralyzed as a result.
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AJ, you failed to mention that Yitzhak Rabin (1994 Nobel Peace Prize) was assassinated by Yigal Amir, a right-wing Orthodox Jew. Why?

jaillibby2 on April 20, 2007 at 9:45 am

American Jewess,
EYE OPENING, TO SAY THE LEAST!!! HOW MANY AMERICANS KNOW THIS?? NOT MANY I BET!! AND THE REST OF THE WORLD EVEN LESS!!!WHAT A CONTRAST!!!

TheAwakenedOne on April 20, 2007 at 9:58 am

maybe this was missed, but the actual article says that the students from VTech wanted to pray for the people killed, and a guy from another university told them no:
“a Muslim student set off a debate when she sent an email to the mailing list of the Muslim Students’ Association at Virginia Tech asking the students to pray that Allah have mercy on those killed and wounded….The dean of student affairs at American International University, Abu Hamza Hijji, responded, writing that Allah the Most Merciful forbids praying for mercy for the non-Muslim dead, or even for the non-Muslim living, and that it is only permitted to pray that they be rightly guided….”
The students from VTech responded and said that they WOULD pray anyway, since they knew their teachers and students to be good people.
“Aafaq reported that a student named Chris, a recent convert, did not agree, and wrote that he usually does not intervene in this kind of discussion, but that this time he had to say “no.” He added that his German teacher, who was wounded in the shooting, is a good man, and that he was praying that he would not die. He said that he would pray for him and for his family, whether they are Muslims or not”
So they were being nice. They’re rebuking someone who is powerful in their OWN religion to pray for people who they wouldn’t normally pray for. Thats pretty awesome, and speaks highly of these kids. It might not speak so well of the American University guy, but these kids don’t deserved to be tarred along with him.

Minga on April 20, 2007 at 10:00 am

Debbie … im a muslim and I pray for everyone’s wellness… not conversion.

WHYME! on April 20, 2007 at 10:06 am

Debbie the onlything that has suprised me about you is that at first you used to denounce radical islam. Now you point a laser at every muslim… what happened? What is your final solution? Muslims should be rounded up in slaughter houses and killed? Purged off this Earth? Thrown into concentration camps?

WHYME! on April 20, 2007 at 10:11 am

plus the guy who said the bs wasnt even from VT… why kick the dust around to make it look like a storm?

WHYME! on April 20, 2007 at 10:12 am

Would TheHonorableMemberFromGSPM , who is defending Hijjs statement, like to clarify the situation for us now, once and for all?
Are you Muslim?
If so, answer this: Did you before today, or will you now, say a prayer for the souls of those innocent victims of that massacre, muslims and non-muslims alike? A simple answer, yes or no, will suffice. However, to be really convincing, and I hope you will excuse my skepticism when I say that a simple answer will be taken with a
grain of salt ( or should I say “grain of taqiyya”), perhaps the real convincing answer, you know, something that we can all see ( including your Muslim brothers, if you are Muslim).

Leave Iraq Now on April 20, 2007 at 10:17 am

Jaillibby2, um, maybe because the topic is about Islam and its extremely negative impact on the entire world, and not about individual murder cases? Can you try to stay on topic? Otherwise, we’ll all be all over the map because there are SO many topics in the world, infinite, really.

AmericanJewess on April 20, 2007 at 10:21 am

I’m still waiting for someone to tell us what good Islam has contributed to the world . . .
Anyone? And please don’t say “the zero” cause that actually came from the Hindus. I was going to request that you stay within the past five centuries but I’ll actually relax that rule. If you can name ANYTHING Islam has created or Muslims have done that has had a positive impact on the world, I’m all ears.

AmericanJewess on April 20, 2007 at 10:24 am

Muslims connected the East and the West

WHYME! on April 20, 2007 at 10:26 am