It won’t happen.

Sure, they’ll destroy most of Hamas armaments’ and kill a couple of big fish but Israel will never be allowed to topple the Hamas’ regime in Gaza.

The world hates the Jews and loves their Islamic terrorist enemies. That’s why Hamas will live on to fight Israel another day.

“Mowing the grass” isn’t the kind of victory Israel needs but there isn’t the option of really winning because the world won’t allow Israel to win a war.

NormanF on November 19, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Not just that, but everytime these scumbags survive they become ever more emboldened and more difficult to fight the next time.

IAM: Exactly! And they proclaim “victory” over Israel. DS

I_AM_ME on November 19, 2012 at 5:37 pm

Sadly, I couldn’t agree more! Wouldn’t it be wonderful if this time they meant it, cleaned the place out of the barbarians and let the wonderful families of Gush Katif move back in to rebuild their homes, businesses, synagogues and schools that were burned to the ground seven years ago! If only!!!!!

Rebecca on November 19, 2012 at 5:54 pm

A truce or cease fire is a foregone conclusion. Israelis don’t want a ground war, particularly the draft evaders in Tel Aviv, and the leaders are upset because the Islamic world in the form of Egypt and Turkey does not like them.

Once again, they will not finish the job.

Jonathan E. Grant on November 19, 2012 at 6:00 pm

Hamas is like weeds… you have to mow it down.

Getting rid of it for good?

I’d like it but I know its just a pleasant fantasy!

NormanF on November 19, 2012 at 6:01 pm

Why not treat the children of the SS while they are at it?

From the Jerusalem Post:

Breaking News 23:34 U_

JPost.com
Health & Science

Israel’s hospitals continue to treat Gazan patients

By JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH

11/19/2012 05:25

Rambam dir.-gen.: It’s absurd that we are doing this at the same time Israelis are being attacked, but there is no other way.
Photo: Baz Ratner/Reuters

Israeli hospitals are treating dozens of patients of all ages who came to Israel from Gaza to get healthcare unavailable there, and are making provisions for accompanying persons.

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“We at Rambam Medical Center are taking care of sick children and adults, and we are not looking at their religion or where they come from. At the moment, we have four – a baby girl in the nephrology department, two children in oncology and an adult in urology,” Rambam director-general Prof. Rafael Beyar said.

“Family members accompanied them,” he said. “It’s absurd that we are doing this at the same time Israelis are being attacked, but there is no other way. We are used to it. We are very far from politics.”

Working in Haifa, Beyar was “extremely upset” when he learned that Arab students at the University of Haifa last week stood for a “moment of silence” when Ahmed Jabari, the military chief of Hamas, was killed by the IDF.

“I just can’t accept that,” he said.

Beyar also said that he had received no reports of any tension among Jewish and Arab personnel in his medical center. “We are used to working together to save lives.”

The Hadassah University Medical Center in Jerusalem’s Ein Kerem said that in the past month, it has hospitalized six Gazan patients.

Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer said that it provides medical center to several dozen Palestinians each month, and even now, there is no change. Most are children who are hospitalized for long periods or youngsters who underwent treatment and return periodically for followup, Sheba spokesman Amir Marom told The Jerusalem Post.

“Just two days ago, a nineyear- old girl from Gaza who was hurt in her palm was brought to Sheba. Her father is an Arab journalists who writes from Gaza for an Israeli newspaper. She was accompanied by her mother. An Israeli boy who was wounded by a Gazan rocket that fell in Kiryat Malachi last week is in the same room with a Gazan girl whose fingers were amputated due to injury,” Marom said. “We regard our hospital as a bridge to peace.”

Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center said 50 patients and their accompanying relatives from Gaza are now hospitalized – both children and adults. Most of them are cancer patients.

The relatives live in the hospital’s hotel, and there is a hospital employee who serves as a contact person and helps them.

Medical treatment for Gaza residents allowed into Israel is paid for by the Palestinian Authority or by other bodies, including the Peres Center for Peace.

Jonathan E. Grant on November 19, 2012 at 6:05 pm

It’s certainly not gonna happen with Obama-Putin as the “Leader Of The Free World”. Just look at his Libyan fiasco (and why isn’t that manly Samantha Power freak called out for HER role in the Libyan fiasco? She isn’t blamed and she isn’t even NAMED!!!) and Egypt and what Turkey is getting away with.

Why even get excited? It’s like Lucy and Charlie Brown and the football.

It’s a new world now. The water is still warm but eventually it’s gonna heat up. And that’s when the rolling of the eyes and gnashing of the teeth will begin. It’s gonna be 100% nauseating.

Skunky on November 19, 2012 at 6:07 pm

The Hebrew people should leave Israel the day the U.S. gives America back to the Native Americans.

Of course the Arab nations who kicked the Jewish people out of their countries in the forties will be returning their property back to them,right?

The United Nations and Great Britain created Israel,so why haven’t the “palestinians” directed their anger at those bodies?

E: Agreed. However, the difference is that there have been Jews living in Israel for thousands of years, whereas the “Palestinians” are a newly invented “people.” Native Americans were in America, first, though they came over the Bering Strait. So Jews’ right to Israel is far more solid than Americans’ right to America. DS

ebayer on November 19, 2012 at 6:19 pm

I am never happy when ground troops are used in this modern era. Pretty unnecessary. Air could take care of everything. Period. Prayers.

samurai on November 19, 2012 at 6:59 pm

Skunky, the problem is not Barky. The problem is not American presidents or politicians. Kissinger was right when he said something to the effect of “all politics in Israel is domestic.” (This echoes the saying that “all politics is local.”)

There are all sorts of ways that Gaza could be cleansed of its Bnei Amalek. Israel’s elite stratum actually spends much effort and resources keeping the Amalekites around. For one thing, Muslim hostility makes sure that Israel is in a perpetual war where elementary liberties can be denied to Jews under the wartime conditions. Also, no group of elites benefits from Halachic approaches to the Muslims. Such approaches would undermine the elite’s own filthy opportunism. The only time “rabbis” are empowered is when they keep their mindless minions under control.

That’s why I just don’t bother keeping up on the day-to-day happenings of Israel anymore. They are predictable. It’s also predictable that there will eventually be a full-fledged multi-front war that will, more likely than not, lead directly or indirectly (via nuclear weapons) to a new Holocaust. Don’t worry, though. Bibi et al. will be airlifted to safety with the Israeli treasure in tow.

skzion on November 19, 2012 at 7:09 pm

skzion spewed forth:

Don’t worry, though. Bibi et al. will be airlifted to safety with the Israeli treasure in tow.

Because the Netanyahu family are traitors to Israel for not killing every muslim in Eretz Yisrael, right? Or how about Bibi’s brother who died at Entebbe, he was also a traitor, right?

What Israeli treasure? Shekels? You think like a Nazi. Are you a self-hating Jew?

I do know one thing though, you are one sick SOB.

FrenchKiss on November 19, 2012 at 8:29 pm

For Bibi,a day in his life has enormous Biblical
and worldly significance.Every breath he takes is
for himself and all Judaism now and forever.
Gaza was Sharon’s karmic payback and Bibi will not
defame his Father’s memory by being weak and stupid.
His family and all our families have too much invested
to let them take what we’ve been promised.
If he is true to his Father and Yoni,may they rest
knowing he will do the right thing, and not live in
shame like Gilad Sharon.

Jay on November 19, 2012 at 9:41 pm

Debbie, this is the perfect comparison because Mafia-Think is Arab-Think. I’ve said this many times before but not being a movie person, I don’t communicate in that medium. I guess that’s what it takes to get thru to people. Learn it and learn it well, this Malone speaks the truth as to the mentality that’s required.

Italkit on November 20, 2012 at 12:00 am

Debbie , do you really believe Israel doesn’t want to win this?
Do you really think this is political theater for B B?
The Hammasnicks escalated the rocket attacks right after Obama won re-election. And, Israel is going to do whatever the US tells them to do, up to a point. Gaza is not that point. A radio active Iraq and Syria was, and they were delt with. You can make the point that since rockets have reached TA and Jerusalem, the Israelie’s may want to take this up a noch and dam the US relations. But, my guess is that they’ll still hold back if Obama wants them to stay off the ground. But, I have to disagree that this is theater to bolster an election.
It’s real life and in real life you sometimes have to make decisions that will allow you to live with your friendly neighbors.

Harry Feuerwerker on November 20, 2012 at 12:19 am

The Jew Of The Nations has only nominal sovereignty.

Israel will never be allowed to win a war. At best Israel can keep things from getting worse but it will never allowed to either to live in peace.

The world may not care about the slaughter of 30,000+ Arabs in Syria but it wants to make sure the Jews know their place.

And the Jews will meekly swallow the humiliation imposed upon them by the Jew-hating world because they have no real choice in the matter.

NormanF on November 20, 2012 at 1:19 am

“show business meant for an Israeli electorate”? … if this is true, they are as stupid as the people that re-elected Obama.

If they don’t send in the troops, and use extreme prejudice against opposition, they deserve the rockets. They know their enemies are motivated by Jihad, and all the theology of Mohammed. Ergo, let the killing begin.

“Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats” -H. L. Mencken

“Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” roughly translated into English as: “It is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country.

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf” – George Orwell

Dr Dale on November 20, 2012 at 1:27 am

It’s all nice and well for you guys who live in the US (where most stuff, from cars down to gas costs HALF as much as the exact same stuff here) to tell us Israelis that we should incur the wrath of the international community…

Yes, it’s not much of a community but Israel’s economy is export and knowledge based… If Israel is made into an international pariah Israel won’t survive… That’s what behind BDS!…

Change the world and Israel will deal with Hamas appropriately… Until then Israel will need to occasionally “mow the lawn”… Simply because it won’t survive “paving the lawn”…

Hans on November 20, 2012 at 1:56 am

And Israel won’t do that (in part because the world will never allow it, while the world allows HAMAS and the rest of the Muslim world to continue its jihad, unhindered, against the Jews, Israel, Christians, America, and the West).

Years ago, when Ehud Olmert was still Prime Minister, I sent him a letter saying that Israel’s only hope of survival was to tell the U.N. to go **** itself with a fire extinguisher.

Miranda Rose Smith on November 20, 2012 at 5:11 am

For years I argued that in war “Israel is not allowed to win, and the Arabs are not allowed to lose”. They don’t go as far as Olmert who publicly claimed that Israel was “tired of fighting, tired of defeating her enemies”, but has internalized that they operate under different constraints. The same countries urging “restraint” on Israel behaved quite differently when a few mortars were lobbed from Syria over the Turkish border and Turkey responded with an artillery barrage.

Israel is therefore fighting what I call War Lite, with even more hesitancy than in 2008-2009. In that three week war, some 700 fighters from Hamas and IJ were killed. So far, perhaps 50-60 have been taken out out of more than 20,000. The enemy sees Israel isn’t serious, believing they only have to hold out a few more days before Israel holds its fire and they can declare victory. Recognizing that, Israel’s Feiglin is opposing a ground war, pushing instead for a cut-off of electricity, most of which Israel provides. That wouldn’t cost lives, but it would show Israel is serious. (Many Israel-haters would describe such an action is cruel, but millions around NYC went without power for weeks after Sandy.)

As if to complete the picture, Debka (yeah, I know – not always reliable) is reporting a ship is currently en route carrying fresh supplies of rockets, including a newer Fajr-5, intended for Gaza. Once upon a time such a ship would be sunk, but not today. No one is serious – not the US or NATO, not Israel, not Egypt. That only means a future confrontation will be even more deadly.

Raymond in DC on November 20, 2012 at 6:19 am

Italkit & ebayer
There is a whole lot of migrating back to where they came from if one went by those standards

For starters, the Europeans are largely decendents of Barbarian invaders who invaded from the East – how about sending the bulk of them back to Siberia? Native Americans too – send them back across the Bering Straits to Siberia, and empty out North America. Send Turks back to the Central Asiatic stans, from where they originated.

But the biggest one – Arabs don’t belong anywhere outside the Arabian peninsula. Iraq & Syria should be turned back to the Assyrians, Lebanon to the Phoenicians, Egypt to the Copts, Mahgreb to the Berbers, Sudan to the Nubians.

And I was going by ethnic demarcations here. If we go by religious demarcations, since the Arabs presumably would be happy to keep Jews who converted to Islam, then all Muslims in the world should move back to the Arabian peninsula. Give Persia back to the Zoroastrians, Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh back to the Buddhists and Malaysia/Indonesia back to the Hindus. And North Africa to the Animists and Central Asia to the Daoists, Buddhists and Shamans.

Wonder if the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims would be willing to move to Saudi Arabia, and force them to share the relentless oil bounty – since the 70s, $10T has changed hands. Shouldn’t that sort of endless cash be enough to support them all there?

Infidel on November 20, 2012 at 8:22 am

Just watch the “News” on TV. Pure Hamas talking points. From Little Andy Cooper to Fake (Fox) News, the mantra is the same: “Israel is kiling women and children just because a few rockets were fired by (Militants) into Israel, Etc.” We see the usual fake pictures of dead people in Gaza – who miraculously get up and walk away after the cameras are turned off. Poor little Andy Cooper had to recant one of these phony stories – he got from the BBC. So much for “Journalism” today. Hamas wins the P.R. war and Israel loses. Our fearless leader living in public housing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. has spoken with Netanyahu by phone from Burma where he is busy hugging the ladies and eating Thai food. I’m sure he told Netanyahu, “Back off my homeboys in hamas, hesbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, or I’ll cut off the shipment of spare parts for your military.” So ends any defense of Israel. Q.E.D. Now, Hillary is on her way to the Middle East. No matter what she does – good, bad, or indifferent – she will be praised to the skies by our state run media. After all, the campaign to make her POTUS is well under way. Heaven help us all. Pray for Israel.

herbster on November 20, 2012 at 9:10 am

Sadly, DS was right four years ago and DS is right now. Victory or Containment. EisenhowerKennedyNixonLBJCarter or Ronald Reagan who was reviled until the Berlin Wall came down.

bobguzzardi on November 20, 2012 at 9:27 am

The fact is, HAMAS will never achieve its twin goals of destroying Israel and murdering the Jews who live there. Israel is a technological and economic superstate, which will always create new and innovate ways to ward-off whatever threat the Iranians devise, with one exception of course. The threat of nuclear annihilation is very real, and Israel must focus its energies there.

The other emerging threat would be a Turkish-Egyptian joint ground attack. That one could require nuclear deterrence, and I would hope the Israelis are war-gaming it.

Adam on November 20, 2012 at 9:34 am

A PROPOSED 3 OPTION SELECTION FOR RESOLUTION:

1. Israel, like the “Terminator”, could always reply to these barbarians – “I’ll be back!”. This will only delay another conflict as been noted above, but it does not signify capitulation.

2. Israel could take the “Conan” position of what is good in life:

“Mongol General: What is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.”

Conan the Barbarian (http://www.great-quotes.com/quotes/movie/Conan+the+Barbarian)

This position, again as previously noted, opens Israel to increased World hatred even though the position is justified.

3. Israel SHOULD just buy the BAJA PENINSULA outright and/or work a deal of autonomy with Mexico. The U.S. will NEVER ALLOW it to be invaded.

As for all the calls to revert lands to previous so-called owners, well, shit happens…get over it…and quit blaming today’s people for what happened ages ago. Today’s people can only attempt to be honest in their dealings with all others, but today’s people have no right to demand others pay for what some define and deem as “social justice” for historically negative events. Any compensation decision is for the individual to voluntarily decide whether or not to act upon that information.

ISRAEL…YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE ARE IN MY THOUGHTS…BE SAFE.

Dennis

Dennis on November 20, 2012 at 9:57 am

Israel and Jews n general make the same mistake over and over again. They are always too nice to the enemy. Just like the evil so called prophet Muhammed. He made a treaty with Jewish tribes of Medina when he was weak. When he became strong he destroyed those tribes and took the women and children and converted them.

Today no jews in Saudia Arabia and no remnants of Jewish life in Medina. Another mistake was by the idiot Moshe Dyan for not destroying the AL-Aqsa mosque. The only solution is to actively bomb civilian areas until they leave for the wet bank and some other islamic country.

Glen Benjamin on November 20, 2012 at 10:02 am

Sad to say, but this current situation is the predictable outcome of a state founded largely by Lefty flower children. Things might be a bit different now if the Stern Gang had run the government in the first place.

Red Ryder on November 20, 2012 at 10:04 am

debbie the world will ever let israel win a war

MARTIN POTASHNER on November 20, 2012 at 10:54 am

Islam is a cult whose mainsaty is envy and jealousy of all successful people. They pride themselves on putrified brains, violence,hate and envy. That is all you need to know about Islam

G. R. SCHAROUBIM on November 20, 2012 at 11:43 am

It’s going to take a complete change of our minds. We’ve (the US) become a nation of girly boys and equivocators. We can’t even name an enemy and we let testosterone-deprived corporate shills tell us how to fight wars. Maybe we’ll have to become something we don’t like for a while, but so what? We can’t be nice little politically correct multicultural whiners and fight wars. And, please don’t take this the wrong way, Debbie, but, guys, fellow men, why do we have to come to a website written by a woman to hear the things men should be saying?! Yeah, I know, some of them do, but not enough, and many of the so-called anti-Islamist sites are also equivocators, apologists and afraid to straight talk about Islam and what it will take to prevail over it. Roy Kurban had a saying he instilled in his students … “Never let a mortal defeat you” … We need to learn to understand that and feel it in our bones. We have a long way to go because we’re not men any longer. Start waking up today, now. Learn to defend yourselves in armed and unarmed combat. The Muslims are. If we’re not, we’re choosing to be victims.

Pray Hard on November 20, 2012 at 11:55 am

Instead of a few passenger ships that Obama is sending it would increase the probability of them getting rid of Hamas if we backed their play with two carrier groups including one pointed at Turkey who has thrown out any Kemalist in power and now must be considered to be a enemy as bad as Iran.

Jonathan Gartner on November 20, 2012 at 12:04 pm

Debbie… spot on! But Israel (nor we) will do this. We have forgotten what it took to build Western civilization. When Otto the Great met the Hungarians on the Lech in 956, he didn’t make deals with them. When the battle was over he publicly hanged their two leaders who tried to flee when their army was beaten. That brought an end to Hungarian incursions and raids in the Holy Roman Empire. Are we prepared to do THAT? …. nahhhhh….

Russ on November 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm

when are you jews going to stop listening to commie shit heads like hitlery or bongo and clean out that nest of vipers in gaza?who gives a rats ass what the ministry of truth says about the poor ragheads who want to die israel should give them what they want,death for all of them.send them all crying and pissing their pants into egypt.then ask the brother hood if they would like the same as the gaza ragheads.

bruce on November 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm

It gets worse. Consider that Israel’s Defense Minister is a long-time political rival to the Prime Minister. Ehud Barak is well aware that the aimless Lebanon invasion in 2006 cost Olmert his job as Prime Minister. If he wants to bring down Bibi, why not set up a spectacular, but failed, Gaza campaign, then blame Bibi for a lack of leadership from the top? Likud will be hurt badly, and even though Ehud Barak has very little popular support, he will see his chance to advance in the polls. Don’t think an Israeli Defense Minister would do something so terrible for political gain? Then you know nothing about Israeli career politicians. All of this is perhaps why Bibi would be smart not to authorize a ground invasion. Ehud Barak, who was all too willing to cede Jerusalem to the Arabs, cannot be trusted.

Phil on November 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm

I’m no fan of Hamas. I’d love to see those creeps get what’s been coming to them for a long time now.

Ghostwriter on November 20, 2012 at 4:36 pm

Israel has never fought a war to end all wars.
The time for that is now, and this operation sets
the stage for a great change
Ehud and Bibi are joined at the hip this time.
I pray that these warrior leaders have the courage
and guidance to win unlike the dog Betrayus and the
bastard king BHO.

Jay on November 20, 2012 at 4:53 pm

Great post from one of my favorite movies. Very apropos. Thanks!

PDMac60 on November 21, 2012 at 11:21 am

We Jews fight and may sometimes win our wars, but we have lost the peace. This week, Israel miserably failed, politically and diplomatically, first by koshering the pig Arafat and letting his thugs Fatah in exist next to us, in Judea Samaria. Now again another fatal mistake: Bibi has sanctioned and recognized Hamas as the new peace partner. Hamas is the victor, and the new media darling. Egypt has stepped into the quicksand as well. Once one recognizes these pigs in any formal truce or cease fire agreement, the diplomatic war is over, they win. This could set the stage for a move by the Israeli left wing to claim the Knesset majority seats. Perhaps a few more rockets vollied just two weeks before elections to set the cement, and ruin Bibi’s chances for re-election

deborah on November 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm

We Jews fight and may sometimes win our wars, but we have lost the peace. This week, Israel miserably failed, politically and diplomatically. Again, we did the impossible, recognizing our enemies as legitimate players on the political scene. remember when we ushered in Afrafat to Yesha, kosering the big. Now again another fatal mistake: Bibi has sanctioned and recognized Hamas as the new peace partner. Hamas is the victor, and the new media darling. Egypt has stepped into the quicksand as well. Once one recognizes these pigs in any formal truce or cease fire agreement, the diplomatic war is over, they win. This could set the stage for a move by the Israeli left wing to claim the Knesset majority seats. Perhaps a few more rockets vollied just two weeks before elections to set the cement, and ruin Bibi’s chances for re-election

deborah on November 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm