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October 18, 2012, - 6:26 pm

Boy Scout Molestation Files Are Strong Argument Against Gay Scout Leaders

By Debbie Schlussel

Today, the Boy Scouts of America released decades of files on child molestation and sexual abuse by male scout leaders/scoutmasters. If this isn’t a stark argument against having gay scout leaders, I don’t know what is. Clearly, these men were gay, and they took advantage of young boys who were under their care, scarring them psychologically (and some physically) forever. And yet, despite all this, gay activists keep fighting for the right to become scout leaders and several charities and organizations have shunned the Boy Scouts for refusing to allow it. Ask yourself this: how many straight men are among the 1,200-plus scout leaders who’ve sexually abused and molested Boy Scouts for several decades? The men were all gay, thus the sex with kids of the same sex. They lied about or hid being gay to become scout leaders, but the fact remains that they were gay. If you had a young son, would you entrust him to the care of a gay scout leader to spend the night? Would you trust him alone for the night with Michael Jackson (were he still alive)? Same difference (and perhaps worse). It’s that obvious. 1,200 Jerry Sanduskys who abused many more scouts. And all of these scout leaders were gay. Straight men don’t engage in same-sex molestation.

More than 1,200 formerly secret Boy Scouts’ files detailing accusations of child sex abuse within the organization from 1965 to 1985 were published online Thursday by lawyers, who said they offered lessons in the battle against pedophiles.

The documents, known as the “ineligible volunteer” files within the organization, were ordered released by the Oregon Supreme Court. Media organizations had sued for the release of the files, part of a 2010 case in which a Portland, Ore., jury decided that the Scouts were negligent in allowing a former assistant Scoutmaster to associate with the organization’s youth after he admitted molesting 17 boys, said Kelly Clark, one of the victims’ attorneys.

“While we can read through the files, for us it represents the pain and the anguish of thousands of untold scouts,” said attorney Paul Mones, who litigated the 2010 case on behalf of victims in Oregon with lawyer Kelly Clark. “While there are 1,247 files, we know that each scout leader (accused of molestation) molested on the average more than one scout.”

The files represent reports of Scouts allegedly abused by more than 1,200 different scoutmasters and other adult volunteers across the country. The files can be accessed on www.kellyclarkattorney.com.

“You will see in the files over and over again where there is a concern that this material not get out … this will make Scouting look bad,” Clark said. Alleged offenders were also being “given second chances,” he added.

Given this, you can understand why the Boy Scouts of America organization–and hundreds of thousands of parents–don’t want gay men to be allowed to be scout masters. And they are absolutely right.

As I’ve noted, the Boy Scouts of America is a dying organization that is less popular than ever in our internet age. As a result, the BSA is doing a number of silly things to try to regain its popularity, from patches for helping left-wing Hollywood to troops of illegal aliens and even unisex Boy Scout troops. And that’s not to mention the disgusting outreach to Muslims.

Not allowing gay scout masters is the only smart thing the organization has done of late. And the newly-released files are more evidence why.

Tags: Boy Scout Child Abuse files, Boy Scouts Child molesters, Boy Scouts of America, Boy Scouts perversion files, Gay Scout leaders, Gay scout masters, ineligible volunteers, Kelly Clark, Paul Mones, perversion files

61 Responses

It’d be nice if gay peeps would actually take up arms (figuratively) against the gay child molesters. But those political gays will never put ANYTHING before their selfish self-preoccupation. THAT is why those selfish big-mouths have lost my support. Nothing the right-wing has said has turned me against them but the actions of political (Liberal) gays have done much to sour me on them.

Oh, and I wanna include this next tidbit for the benefit of the retard LIBERALS who love to think Romney is sooooo “right-wing” and for the silly Conservatives who actually think Romney is more Conservative than he is…

As Governor of Massa(hole)chusetts, Mitt Romney opposed the ban on open homosexual Scoutmasters.

I’m voting for the bugga but don’t think for a minute I don’t know who he really is. A Liberal.

Skunky on October 18, 2012 at 6:49 pm

“Ask yourself this: how many straight men are among the 1,200-plus scout leaders who’ve sexually abused and molested Boy Scouts for several decades?”

It would be interesting to know how many we like Sanduski and were married with family’s and were closeted. i tend to think that is a major problem with child molestation, they put on this facade of being the straight guy for whatever reason and gratifying their impulses with kids who are easy targets and i guess they think more likely not to say anything. When i was a kid there were rumors about a scout leader and little league coach, both married fathers with no reason i would suspect were gay.

Tim on October 18, 2012 at 6:59 pm

This explains the merit badge for collecting nut sacks.

Hmmm, I never did understand why the scoutmasters were so eager to play a game called “hide the salami” around the campfire.

When I heard the scout master say that for arts and crafts, he wanted everyone to make a daisy chain, I wondered why it involved taking off our clothes.

Hmmm, I knew that the Boy Scouts motto was be prepared, but I did not know what for until now.

I always wondered why the scout master told us to learn how to make different kinds of knots so we would be secure in bed.

Jonathan E. Grant on October 18, 2012 at 7:25 pm

How can a person publish his business information, including cell phone number, in a link connected to such VILE comments. What a terribly stupid thing to do.

Wow. Stupid is as VILE does, Mr. Grant.

RUKidding on October 22, 2012 at 8:38 pm

I want to assure you, That opposite sex molestation is just as bad.
However I believe that Gay activists should keep their focus fighting the bad ones among them instead of fighting for their own rights… This is just the same thing that most Muslims are doing and I hate it, They shut the fuck up when a 14 year old girl gets shot, Because she is westernized, And they open their big mouth when a fellow Muslim is called terrorist.
Let’s not go off-topic, About this situation as a solution I’d go with harsher punishment on pedophiles gay and straight alike, And I want Gay activists to ask and fight for that, And I as a gay individual asking for that too.

demo on October 18, 2012 at 8:00 pm

All homosexuals are potential pedophiles.

FrenchKiss on October 18, 2012 at 8:05 pm

That’s right. FK, along with the absent Muslim Monkey, do care terribly about the gaaaaz. Not so much about the Muslims.

FK’s claim that all homosexuals are potential pedophiles is incomplete; after all, one could add that all heterosexuals are potential pedophiles as well. Hey, how about all men are potential rapists, just as the radical (mostly lesbian) feminists have argued all along? But most men are not potential rapists, and most gay men are not potential pedophiles.

Continuing the ban does nothing about the Sanduskies, who are not exactly out-and-proud. The Sanduskies will join or remain in the boy scouts as they are now. Out gays would be subject to high levels of scrutiny, which is not exactly what a pedophile wants.

The real reason there is a gay ban in the boy scouts is because of the scouts’ Christian origin. The main reason why gay groups target the boy scouts is to change the culture. Fine, defend Boy Scout culture, but don’t do it on the frivolous basis of pedophilia. Oh, and perhaps the main cultural change that NEEDS to be made in the Boy Scouts is the one that doesn’t expel and imprison the pedophiles already there.

skzion on October 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm

Skzion, I am glad you posted. I don’t think all gays are potential pedophiles. I think all pedophiles are potential pedophiles.

If the Liberal gays were more open about slapping down perverts in their midst (pedophile and otherwise) I think good gay men would NOT have to feel weird about being lumped in with the pedophile ones. I am sensitive and cognizant of that variable.

There are many, many good gay conservatives that are NOT attracted to children. And good, gay conservatives are on our side.

Skunky on October 18, 2012 at 9:39 pm

Skunky and sk, I posted below before I read sk’s right on comment. I’m just waiting til the lesbian pedophilia starts being exposed in places like girls’ schools and Girl Scouts. Oh Wait! It won’t be because the feminist forces won’t let it.

Italkit on October 19, 2012 at 12:17 am

Thanks Skunky. This news out of the boy scouts makes me sick. I want to know how it has been so well covered up.

I guess when being gay is considered so terrible, and it surely is/was in the boy scouts, and is officially banned, there is a tendency to cover up criminal acts. Still, how could the scout biggies have cared so little about their obligations? Sandusky was powerful, so at least I can fathom how he was protected.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 12:21 am

Many gay couples have adopted children who otherwise would be caught in the endless cycle of foster care and given these children a chance for a better life without incidents of abuse. There is more of a chance of abuse in the foster care nightmare!

Rochelle on October 19, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Logic and common sense eludes you, doesn’t it dumbsh!t?

Sandusky is not a homosexual in the least, right? Catholic priests who molested boys are not homos either, right? And the point of Schlussel’s article, that the molestors of the scouts were homos apparently didn’t sink into your absurdly think skull.

Oh, and one other thing, you are a liar, and a coward.

FrenchKiss on October 19, 2012 at 2:23 pm

FrenchKiss, a rabid Mittens cheerleader who defends a two-state solution in Eretz Israel and believes the Jews there can live in harmony with the Muslims, and who deploys leftist terminology like “chickenhawk,” criticizes my failure of “logic and common sense.” He can’t engage any of my arguments, however.

“Sandusky is not a homosexual in the least, right? Catholic priests who molested boys are not homos either, right? And the point of Schlussel’s article, that the molestors of the scouts were homos apparently didn’t sink into your absurdly think [sic] skull.”

FK is quite the logician here. His logic is that because Sandusky is a homosexual (or bisexual) pedophile, anyone who is a homosexual is a pedophile, if only one in waiting. What our logician and sexpert doesn’t understand is that homosexuality does not imply pedophilia any more than heterosexuality implies pedophilia. Indeed, it’s interesting that some pedophiles abuse both sexes.

I’m not interested in word games. The point in distinguishing pedophiles from both homosexuals and heterosexuals is to clarify where the threat lies. Those who are sexually attracted to youngsters cannot be trusted with them. THESE people are indeed potential abusers. Obviously, these same people have not been filtered out of the scouts by the “gay ban,” nor will they be by continuing it.

Duh.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 3:57 pm

skzion’s motto: “Kill all the muslims, but save the homosexuals!”

Just come out of the closet, you’ll feel better.

FrenchKiss on October 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm

Oh my, FK has outed me as anti-Muslim. I had kept that secret so close. How could it have come to light?

In fact, the obligation for Jews in Erez Israel to kill the Muslims there comes from the Rambam.

While Muslim life has little value for me, and therefore killing Muslims is generally a good thing when they are even possibly plotting something, I think forced conversion is the real answer. We simply undo what they did to get their present numbers.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 4:35 pm

“”The real reason there is a gay ban in the boy scouts is because of the scouts’ Christian origin. The main reason why gay groups target the boy scouts is to change the culture….and “All homosexuals are potential pediophiles””

There is so much ignorance and prejudice on here, I feel that I need spray sanitizer on my monitor !!1

The Scouts do NOT have a “Christian” origin…Jewish and Muslim and Mormon boys have been welcomed from the beginning.
There is a need for boys to be “reverent” to whatever Higher Power is theirs. Included is also a “respect” for those in religions other than their own…so a good many of you would not be allowed to join.
The only “Christians” demanding the discrimination are those mostly from the South and elsewhere who are incredibly and ignorantly ultra conservation on this issue…and many others.

They are uneducated in that they believe and brain-wash their children that one’s sexuality is a choice…somewhat like
my nailpolish is a “choice”….insane! They operate from Fear and ignorance yet thump their Bibles thinking that They are on God’s side…..when the opposite is true.

How about…all heterophiles…married….are potential child abusers? …because MOST pediophiles ARE heteros.

The brainwashing of fear and ignorance and discrimination
is right here on this blog. One lie after another and then repeated to make it sound like it is true.

I am ashamed of all of you…Christ spoke of love…as His followers are to copy that..looks like none of you…and especially the author…make the grade to call yourselves…Christian.

CJC on September 29, 2014 at 1:55 am

i agree… they’ve already crossed the line of perversion and pedophilia is just a continuation of abnormal sexual desires.

kirche on October 19, 2012 at 1:37 pm

@demo – nice try at deflecting from the issue at hand by mentioning that there are hetero pedophiles in the world, also. Yeah, we all know that.

The point that is being made here is that *100%*, *all* of Boy Scout molestations are committed by *GAY* scoutmasters and nobody else. ONLY GAYS MOLEST BOY SCOUTS.

Only GAY men are interested in obtaining positions of authority over and the opportunity to be left alone with young boys in private, closed and sometimes remote locations for nefarious reasons.

Therefore the BSA not only has the right to formally exclude gay men from being scoutmasters, it has the duty to do so, let alone they should not be punished or cut off from charitable monies.

DS_ROCKS! on October 18, 2012 at 8:36 pm

Is Debbie really saying that an out gay scout master would possibly be more dangerous to one’s son than MJ, who was a known pedophile? Good grief!

skzion on October 18, 2012 at 9:14 pm

I wonder why you are such a staunch defender of homosexual pedaphiles. Plus, you feel homosexual-hating muslims are the real threat to America. Hmmm…finally, we have clarity.

FrenchKiss on October 19, 2012 at 2:27 pm

FK sez:

“I wonder why you are such a staunch defender of homosexual pedaphiles[sic]”.

FK, is the biggest moron and liar here. Where have I defended pedophiles of any orientation? Jews will recognize this allegation a particularly nasty instance of hotzaat shem ra. But what should we expect from someone who pointedly insists that we capitalize “Mormon” but does not capitalize “Torah”?

“Plus, you feel homosexual-hating muslims are the real threat to America. Hmmm… finally, we have clarity.”

Frenchy is mentally incapable of clarity. Sure I feel that Muslims are the real threat to America, but not only or even primarily because of their antigay agenda. They also hate Jews (guilty) and everyone else. Only the purest moron and scoundrel could “explain” my anti-Muslim views the way FK has.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 4:24 pm

Debbie, I normally agree with you, but I have to take issue with you on this one. Studies have shown that the overwhelming majority of child molesters are married men and women. Child molesters are overwhelmingly people who consider themselves religious people, and the majority have at least a college education. Most children who are molested are victimized by another family member. Only 10% of child victims are strangers to their abusers. Remember former Congressman Buzz Lukens, a conservative from Ohio, who both you and I met in the Teen-Age Republicans? Yeah, he was a child molester. My congressman from my district, Dan Crane, was a religious, conservative married father of 7 children and he preyed on a 17-year old female page. There is no credible study indicating that gay people are any more likely to molest chilren than straight people. The fact is that the majority of reported boy scout leaders who molest children are “straight” married men.

Gary Welsh on October 18, 2012 at 9:15 pm

Rep. Lukens’ “child molestion” consisted of having voluntary sex with a 17-year-old girl — i.e., a virtual adult. That’s hardly in the same category of offense as a scoutmaster who grabs a 12-year-old boy by the balls. Nice try.

Seek on October 19, 2012 at 1:43 pm

Thankyou for bringing this subject to the light of day. What would have happened if the Boy Scouts had allowed Gays to be scout masters?

tim on October 18, 2012 at 9:26 pm

It is sad that the Boy Scouts of America is going through all of this. Also, its not allowing gays to be scout masters was obviously a weakly enforced policy. The Roman Catholic Church has gone through the same thing. Its shortage of priests in recent decades encouraged a lax recruitment policy that ultimately its mostly same sex molestation scandal. The Boy Scouts simultaneously face pressure from those concerned with pedophilia and gay activists who maliciously demand full gay access to responsible positions. This organization will ultimately be destroyed under these pressures. I also predict that there will be increasing gay pressure to modify or water down laws regarding pedophilia. This sort of publicity does not help the gay cause at all. In addition, the nearly complete silence of gay activists and organizations about such scandals is suspicious. Saying thta it is is all homophobic does not really cut it with parents whose child has been raped by someone they should have been abler to trust. This attitude is no better than the Old South’s having turned almost a blind eye to various forms of Black harassment. The parties are different, but the mindsets are similar.

Worry01 on October 18, 2012 at 9:41 pm

The gay lobby, of course, will deny that these pedophiles were/are gay. Just like the “activists” who claim that Sandusky is not gay because he was married. The gay lobby will distract us with word games while more pedophiles infiltrate more institutions like the Boy Scouts in the hope of “recruiting” more gays.

The kind of people who can deny that these pedophiles are gay are the same kind that claim to have seen a Presidential debate that never happened.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/55385/hilarious-video-obama-supporters-bs-over-who-won-prez-debate-before-it-was-held/

The gay lobby is trolling the net even now looking for articles about this story and placing comments in which they deny that the pedophiles are gay.

salt1907 on October 18, 2012 at 10:05 pm

Those who disagree with Debbie include several commenters whom I respect very much. At the same time, the files that Debbie references are disturbing, and I think that unless the factual information in them can be refuted, a strong case is being made for barring gay scoutmasters.

Little Al on October 18, 2012 at 10:31 pm

Little Al, I know I respect you very much. What Debbie describes is what has happened while gays have officially not been able to be in a position of power in the scouts. Shall I quote Dr. Phil on this matter?

Let’s say that an unofficial gay scout master who was no pedophile knew what was going on. He might know because he would be more sensitive to such matters and would not assume a married man was beyond question. Under current rules, he wound be at risk if he raised questions. This is not a healthy incentive structure.

Debbie’s support for the ban leaves us precisely where we are now.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 1:03 am

DS, I agree with most of the stuff you said on this article, but I have to respectfully disagree with you in one of your sentiments between the lines where you claimed, “Straight men don’t engage in same-sex molestation”, I beg to differ on that statement, there have been numerous heterosexual males and females who have engaged in same-sex molestations, ie some priest within the Catholic Church, some muslim clergy in islamic mosque, etc.

I know and understand your not saying that all LGBT folks are potential pedophiles, plus regarding the BSA, it’s not anti-LGBT that many parents don’t want gay or bi-sexual men to be scout-leaders because of their orientation, it’s because some to many of them might be potential molestors, the samething can be said for straight BSA scout masters or leaders.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on October 18, 2012 at 10:43 pm

The question Sean is whether or not these people were in fact gay. Jerry Sandusky, as shown in his statements, to have a same sex attraction to boys, but denied he was gay and was married.

You had then Senator Larry Craig, who was caught soliciting gay sex in a restroom, denying then and now that he was gay. This man was also married and had adopted children.

The point is that not all gays are open about who and what they are. However, the urges remain, and can erupt to the point of being overpowering. Many Roman Catholic priest led double lives,which in the end led to scandals that nearly destroyed that organization financially and its reputation. The Boy Scouts of America would be like a candy store for some gay males, and they would be attracted to it. Initially, some of those drawn to the position of scout master or other volunteer positions may have convinced themselves that they would only “watch” the boys, but that soon turned into much more. As I said at the beginning, not all gays advertise the fact the they are gay. Finally, with your Muslim example, an imam would be excluded or in some countries would be killed if it were found out that he had an attraction to the same sex. the imam would deny his homosexuality even if you caught him in a leather bar rubbing some dude’s sides.

Worry01 on October 18, 2012 at 11:14 pm

They weren’t “clearly” gay except in hindsight. Most if not all of them were married and had families. There are gay men who wouldn’t even consider molesting a boy just as there are married female teachers going after studly male students. Perversion is perversion and it knows no boundaries and has a long history of finding “beards” to cover it but a gay man is no more likely to go after a boy than a straight male is likely to go after an underage girl. Debbie, by painting every gay male as a pedophile, you are including your cousin of blessed memory. Do you believe HE raped little boys?

Italkit on October 19, 2012 at 12:04 am

What I meant when I said, “it knows no boundaries” I mean that no one group has a corner on perversion. As long as people want sex and have warped psyches, there will always be predators and victims. Slapping a band-aid on it by banning a group does nothing. In fact, it lets the liars and hypocrites get away with more because you are giving them a pass solely based on a marriage certificate. Anyone who works with kids needs to be screened thoroughly and no assumptions made and the vigilance doesn’t end there. Anything your kid says or does or anything you observe that seems “off” needs to be checked out.
I had a Christian friend who told me she saw one of the singles group leaders at her church getting a little too touchy feely with a pre-pubscent daughter of one of the single moms. She was very upset and I agreed from what she described. She brought it up with the pastor in charge and the guy was appropriate after that, at least in public. Someone like that needs to be watched and good for my friend she took it to the next level.

Italkit on October 19, 2012 at 12:12 am

“Slapping a band-aid on it by banning a group does nothing. In fact, it lets the liars and hypocrites get away with more because you are giving them a pass solely based on a marriage certificate. Anyone who works with kids needs to be screened thoroughly and no assumptions made and the vigilance doesn’t end there.”

Absolutely, Italkit.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 12:36 am

Oh, and another taboo topic here in America is the amount of FEMALE teachers who have sex with the boys in school.

The British papers report it and they are disproportionate and alarming.

Italkit, I too would be interested in the cases of Lesbian predation.

Skunky on October 19, 2012 at 12:45 am

I’d be interested as well, Skunky, about predatory lesbians and about predatory hetero women.

There is an annoying (feminist) assumption that the problem is with men alone. “Wimmin don’t do such things.” We know better.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 1:10 am

Skunky and sk, all I know is that as a kid, I was not allowed to join Brownies or Girl Scouts and the reason was not clearly explained along with some other activities but Mom and Dad were both Family Doctors and knew a thing or three about molestation. Was I OVERprotected? I don’t think so. Usually Mom would tell Dad he was doing so but this was her decision and she always made time for Parents Group, etc. so it wasn’t about that. I was sheltered from some things and it was probably more generational than anything. I didn’t know about homosexuality until I went to college, seriously, so that’s why the admonitions and prohibitions were vague but I did know that you don’t let someone touch you and you make a big fuss if they try.

Italkit on October 19, 2012 at 9:59 am

Skunky…I’ve never responded to your posts but have always enjoyed, and pretty much agreed, with them. I’m totally in with you on this as well. I’m sure there’s been a long history of women in authoritative positions who have molested young boys but it never got the air time. This was probably due, in part, to the public deluding themselves into the notion of “This never happens” or having it purposely squelched for other nefarious reasons. Look at Mary Kay LaTourneau and now the Bengals cheerleader that were robbing the cradle and just happened to get “outed”. Small pittance as I’ll guaran-effen-tee ya there’s been a boatload of those incidents that were swept under. Hey, what’s next?….are they going to start screening Girl Scout Troop leaders for lesbian tendencies? Bet not…

Keep up the good posts!

IceNoMore on October 19, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Thank you Icenomore. I feel the same about you. 😀

Per usual, I would just like the truth. As someone who has always had an affinity for gay men I am pretty honest about how Lefty gays have pissed me off. I also want good Conservative gays to know I think they can have a place @ the Conservative table and hope they feel very welcome.

And the truth I seek is the ratio of Pedophiles…how many are gay, how many are straight? But on this matter DS_Rocks wisely pointed out that all the pedophiles in BS cases were gay.

And as I have said, I’d like to know the numbers of Lesbian predators.

And as I also said the US seems to be hush on the amount of STRAIGHT, female teachers who have sex with male students. The British papers are all over it. The amount will astound you.

I remember MKL. Seeing her would make me agro in seconds flat. Many men excused her because she was female & “hot”. It made me rage. I think child sexual abuse (no matter the gender) is an atrocity.

Skunky on October 19, 2012 at 5:55 pm

INM, yes, there are, and any woman who went to private school knows that what I mentioned, woman on girl predation also exists. Never happened to me but it does, particularly in boarding situations.

Italkit on October 20, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Somewhat OT, periodically dummies or knaves come to this site and claim we’re all mindlessly parroting Debbie. The comments here show once again that the regulars have no problem thinking for themselves. We won’t always agree. Smart people are worried when perfect agreement exists.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 1:42 am

Homosexuality and pedophelia are as different as heterosexuality and rape. Sorry Deb, but whatever our stance on gays as scout leaders, there is a big legal and medical difference.

Jonathan E. Grant on October 19, 2012 at 6:55 am

I should have written “there is a big legal and medical difference between gays and pedophiles.” In fact, as someone else wrote, most pedophiles are married heterosexual men. I have lesbian and gay friends and none of them would ever be interested in a child. It would sicken them, just as it sickens a normal heterosexual person.

Jonathan E. Grant on October 19, 2012 at 7:09 am

You are just so full of it. You define away aberrant behavior to suit your purposes. Just like “psychologists” defined homosexuality as “normal.” It isn’t. And they know it but they have an agenda which unfortunately doesn’t include protecting children from predators.

NAMBLA is an association of homosexual men who actively conspire to have sex with male minors. The fact that Sandusky was married to a woman doesn’t mean he wasn’t a homosexual.

Take your head out of that dark place before you start to lecture anyone on the vile and evil practice of homosexuality.

RUKidding on October 22, 2012 at 8:31 pm

Yes, blaming the failures of heterosexual marriage, married mens and womens are “most of the molesters” as some on here have put it; and is the Boy Scouts fault for not admitting gay mens and womens, as the paramount of logical reasoning as to why they should precisely allow gay mens and womens into the Boy Scouts and other insititutions, is flawed argument if you catch my drift.

Many reactionaries are quick to judge the congressman that has an affair=congress is no good and should allow more gays; the religious pastor has committed sin=all that believe in the Almighty are hypocrites and the church should allow more gays; hetero mens an womens have a high divorce rate=gay marriage should be allowed; the priest pedophile is hidden by the church=the church should allow more gays; regular mens and womens can’t take care of their kids=they should allow gay adoption; the YMCA is outdated= remove the “MCA”, sing a song about it and allow more gays; on and on and on and on and on…But tell us, you gays, who is doing the allowing that ye seek? Just as the two Wongs do not make a White; the two gays do not make procreate; so what does the gay agenda do? Pass more laws to make it right. What is next “Pedophile have Rights” too?

Stop and think, just as morality cannot be legislated, also the laws of nature, or by the Creator, cannot be changed; oh, they will try, but in the end, and there will be an end for no one knows the time or place, not even the Long Island Medium, every soul faces the Judgement! Are ye good stewards of the grace that has been given you?

Rev. Umgana Kickqbouti on October 19, 2012 at 10:05 am

This Rev isn’t nearly as amusing as our own Rev.

“and is the Boy Scouts fault for not admitting gay mens and womens, as the paramount of logical reasoning as to why they should precisely allow gay mens and womens into the Boy Scouts”

Leaving aside the nasty fake black dialect, who exactly has said this? The rot of molestation, which almost certainly has occurred in the girl scouts/brownies as well as in the boy scouts/cub scouts, has been covered up for many decades. Yes, in a non-homophobic world I expect this sustained coverup would have been less likely. In a homophobic world, a marriage certificate and children are a powerful shield against suspicion. This isn’t propaganda, it’s fact.

The solution to what ails the scouts is heightened scrutiny and procedures to prevent and remove pedophiles. That scrutiny becomes easier, paradoxically, when everyone is not presumed to be what they present themselves as being. I suspect the timing of this disclosure relates, again paradoxically, to far greater tolerance of normal gay people. In this kind of environment, perverts can more easily be distinguished from run-of-the-mill gays.

In the past, I had mixed feelings about allowing open gays into scout leadership. My concern had nothing to do with pedophilia, but instead related to a possible agenda of changing the scouts. That was balanced by the thought that some young people are gay and would benefit from knowing out gay leaders. In addition, these young gay people might not stay in scouting if they have to hide. But really, this is a private group and should not manipulated by government.

Nowadays, society is open enough to have scandals like this one reach the surface. It did with the current policy in place. So there is no reason to believe that having openly gay leaders is necessary in order to prevent future scandals. However, by this same logic, Debbie’s “solution” of keeping openly gay leaders out of leadership makes no sense. THEY have never been the problem.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 2:34 pm

Oh, and one more ting to add to the list: ICE/HSI is a “dysfunctional, absurd, clownish, kestone kop, laughing stock of “all federal agencys”, full of pansies, creampuffs, sociopaths, incompetents, “fake tough guys”, illegal aliens, hypocrites, and ass-kissers clowns, that”sit infront of the computer all day” growing their ever expanding derriere, doing “bull-sh*t immigrations” work=not only hire more gays, but allow the closet ones to come out, pride!

Rev. Umgana Kickqbouti on October 19, 2012 at 10:48 am

What’d you expect? Legacy customs took over.

As far as BS immigration work, they don’t know how and don’t want to because they’ve deluded themselves into thinking they’re above it. Hell, they don’t even do their own work anymore…..

IceNoMore on October 19, 2012 at 12:43 pm

“Boy Scout Molestation Files Are Strong Argument Against Gay Scout Leaders”

This is so obvious I’m sure those of us who were Scouts will be castigated and flamed for being non-inclusive.

Or, something

Jack on October 19, 2012 at 11:47 am

Jack, you have every right to be exclusive and also to base your decisions on wrong assumptions. What we’re trying to say is that this assumption about gays automatically being molesters is wrong. Just because every molester is gay/bi, it does not follow that every gay/bi is a molester, just as it does not follow that every married man is straight, faithful, safe.

Italkit on October 20, 2012 at 3:05 pm

Its clear that only homosexuals would condemn Schlussel for equating homosexuality and pedaphilia. I don’t condemn her common sense and logic. Its a well-known fact that Gore Vidal, who was a flaming homo, helped to start NAMBLA. NAMBLA membership is exclusively homosexual. So, I praise Schlussel for her brave stand. I say bravo!

FrenchKiss on October 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm

Frenchy sez:

“Its [sic] clear that only homosexuals would condemn Schlussel for equating homosexuality and pedaphilia [sic].”

It’s clear, is it? No one here has “condemned” Debbie. But anyway, I think some of the regulars here will be a bit surprised at their outing.

skzion on October 19, 2012 at 3:01 pm

Pedophiles rationalize and reinforce their perversion through their membership in MANBLA with other like minded sickos.

Rochelle on October 19, 2012 at 3:15 pm

It’s a no brainer to connect the homosexuals to the pedophilia when speaking on an organization committed to young boys. It’s disgusting to witness the gay left constantly try to defend themselves against being grouped with the boy lovers. They own it, pure and simple. When I was a scout I never had a problem with this stuff. All I ever had was den mothers. One pretty one, but I digress. I remember looking at the pack leader or wtf ever he was called, from a distance, dressed up in his get up. He was a piece of work, his son ended up being a serious drug abuser, and all around jerk. I had to push him a couple of times at a after high school party because he was wasted and coming on way to strong to my date while I was getting a refreshment. He was dressed as Dr. Frankenfurter. Imagine that. He was also in the drama club. Imagine that as well.

samurai on October 19, 2012 at 3:46 pm

I get the issue brought up by DS but I am still freaked out that there are 1200 perpretrators. And these are just the ones who have been outed AND this is just only counting the Boy Scouts. Now take all the sports coaches, school teachers, piano teachers, and mentors … How many predators is that? How many sickos like these have I brushed shoulders with?

Richard on October 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm

The list on the lawyer’s site is incomplete. I know for a fact that a Scout Master who molested dozens, if not scores, of children for a year or more in the mid-1970s in a specific location yet his name is not on the list.

RUKidding on October 22, 2012 at 12:37 am

Debbie,

You are correct is saying the best thing the BSA has done is refuse to accept homo leaders. This was a difficult legal battle that was won on the scout oath “morally straight” that the scouts recite every week at meetings.

the BSA adult leader application is detailed enough to allow a background search on any adult applicant. Also, we have a nationally accepted “Youth Protection Program”. Our leaders must take this course on line, and scouts and their parents also take this course. Each year we have serious training on the youth protection matters. Each of these training sessions is geared to several age groups, so the scout receives training appropriate to their age.

the past is the past. The BSA organization today, although going through PC criticism and being replaced by school, sports and other time consuming activities for our youth, is declining enrollment. I still support this organization in that it is dedicated to character building, outdoor skill development and enhancement of religious values.

Panhandle on October 22, 2012 at 1:28 pm

So they do not grow up to be like Ed Anser, etc.

Panhandle on October 22, 2012 at 1:32 pm

I prosceuted sex crimes for 8 years. Pedophiles are an entirely different category than homosexual or heterosexual. I doubt that the boy scout files show that these acts were perpetrated by openly gay men. In fact, I bet they show the opposite and are statistically similar to the majority of cases I prosecuted. The following article might be helpful to those who are challenged by this concept.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Jennifer Pate on January 31, 2013 at 12:04 pm

….patches for helping left-wing Hollywood to troops of illegal aliens and even unisex Boy Scout troops. And that’s not to mention the disgusting outreach to Muslims…..

I have just found this blog and I am thoroughly awed at the fear,anger, hatred and LIES I am reading here.

There are no “unisex” BSA troops…America, that is. Why do you lie and state otherwise. “Illegal aliens” is too asinine to even mention. What is disgusting is that the BSA has no restrictions on people like all of you in becoming a Scout.
Most of us would not want our sons to be exposed to your ilk.

Muslims and Jews and Mormons are all very welcome in the BSA and always have been. What is your beef about that?

MOST pediophiles are HETERO-sexuals. Thus a boy has a significantly higher probability of being abused by one of you than ever by a homosexual male. You people are scary…and God is really worried if your hearts will open in time.

And so many lies contained here. Bearing false witness is a great sin, you know. It is referenced often in the New Testament. Having a loving, committed homosexual relationship is NOT mentioned in the Bible, especially by Jesus….never.

CJC on September 29, 2014 at 1:31 am

You are insane! Look at the fax please. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The majority of molesters in this country and probably the world, identify themselves as straight. Stop being an idiot.

Robert Whitaker on January 12, 2015 at 1:48 pm

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