Great, informative article, Debbie. Thanks again.

DS_ROCKS! on August 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm

Good article. Thanks.

Zsuzsi on August 22, 2012 at 3:51 pm

I don’t understand the problem.

“Jews are civilized and Arabs are savages.”

How is this NOT TRUE? I like it myself.

This Ryan has my attention…

As Goes... on August 22, 2012 at 3:54 pm

“Another Ryan hater, anti-Israel atheist Lebanese Muslim As’ad AbuKhalil a/k/a “Angry Arab,” claims that Rand said, during a 1980 appearance on Phil Donahue’s syndicated television talk show that Jews are civilized and Arabs are savages.”

Shame on Ayn Rand for insulting savages.

I_AM_ME on August 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm

I don’t need to spend a great deal of time on this…

If an Arab “likes” something, HATE IT.

If an Arab “dislikes” something, LIKE IT.

That way, there is no need to clutter your mind with the details of their current OFFENSE. The Arab world spins from one offense to another and it always offended about something.

As Goes... on August 22, 2012 at 3:58 pm

“Oh and here’s something about Ryan’s intellectual idol, Ayn Rand. She said Arabs were savages and culturally undeveloped.”

300 years ago they were savages, 30 years ago they were savages and today are still savages. That is proven every day with honor killings, beheadings, rape, etc.

Road Warrior on August 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm

I don’t know much about Ayn Rand but for her interest in Capitalism (which I like) so this was very interesting. I really liked what she said about Arabs and Israel. She pithily bottom-lines it. I haven’t read her books…yet.

I know that some good, Christian Conservatives are annoyed with his interest in Ayn Rand (like Gregg Jackson and Alan Keyes) because they are serious about their religion and don’t like that she was an atheist. I at least assume that is so and understand that from their personal point of view. Personally, I am not a hard-liner in that matter. I don’t know much about her to form a strong opinion.

But I sure like her pithy take on Israel and Arabs! 😀

Skunky on August 22, 2012 at 4:01 pm

Ayn Rand – a Jew who abandoned her heritage and embraced Atheism, but supported Israel – is a lot preferable to the JINOs who proclaim their Jewishness (to highlight their differences w/ Christians) – but oppose Israel.

Only thing Ayn Rand missed in her analysis – the ‘Islam’ factor. While practically all Arabs may be Muslim, that doesn’t imply that non-Arab Muslims – from Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, North Africa, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Indonesia et al are not savages.

Infidel on August 22, 2012 at 4:07 pm

My late father (Jewish) was born and grew up in the Levant. He had no problem recognizing the savagery that exists under the surface in Arab culture. I remember decades ago watching with him a story on TV of a funeral in Syria for some terrorist Israel had killed. It was a mob of thousands, with the requisite old women wailing for vengeance, death to Jews, etc. He could only shake his head and throw out a few choice epithets about such a people.

Raymond in DC on August 22, 2012 at 4:19 pm

I don’t care much for Ayn Rand’s extreme libertarianism but she’s spot in her support for Israel.

As Debbie would note, libertarians following her are today pro-Arab and pan-Muslim. They don’t take America’s security seriously enough.

And if Paul Ryan’s fault is that he’s pro-Israel, more honor to him. Let the Jew-hating Arabs, JINOs, Lefties and libertarians rage all they want!

NormanF on August 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm

So, Ayn Rand speaks the truth about Arabs, Muslims and Israel. That’s good. But, is there any truth to the allegations that Ayn Rand supports a philosophy of pure selfishness? I get the impression that she supports the total Lazais Faire system of “free market” economics, which in it’s purest form would mean absolutely NO regulation of business or economic activity by the government. This would put her far to the right of Romney and Ryan if it is true. Is that what we want? I tried reading Rand’s book, Atlas shrugged, years ago but got bogged down in it and didn’t finish it.

RT on August 22, 2012 at 4:22 pm

Had there been no Muslims, Libertarianism would probably be fine. That philosophy pretty much maximizes the freedoms that every individual has, including the rights of people to enter and leave any country as they please.

Biggest problem w/ that is that it allows Muslims to take advantage of it and Islamize large sections of Western societies where they were previously non-existant. And once they have that majority, or power, they can use that to destroy the very Libertarianism that enabled them to get there.

Personally, even though I’m not an Atheist, the Libertarian philosophy appeals the most to me. For all their claims on values, Conservatives, w/ all their scandals – both political and personal – stand discredited, and Liberals were always quasi-Socialists to begin w/. I prefer the Libertarian approach – minimize government intrusion into the lives of citizens.

I however, don’t currently endorse it b’cos Muslims are perfectly capable of taking advantage of it and subverting a country using that as a vehicle, and then destroying it once it has served its purpose. But in their absense, I think it would be just fine.

Infidel on August 22, 2012 at 5:17 pm

Compare Rand’s comments with those of the other prime libertarian, Murray Rothbard. Professor Rothbard never wasted an opportunity to denounce Israel and “the Jewish lobby.” His disciples, which include presidential candidate Ron Paul, talk and write like they’re cut from the same cloth.

Seek on August 22, 2012 at 5:20 pm

In this case, I stand with the late Ayn Rand’s. Islam is the epitome of backwardness socially and economically. Any society that challenges the static and retrograde notions of Islam is viewed as an existential threat that must be destroyed at the first opportunity. Islam may conceal its true intentions for a time, but the very crudeness of the religion means that its mask frequently slips off revealing the true ogre beneath.

Worry01 on August 22, 2012 at 5:33 pm

Norman, I responded to your posts in the Bacon thread

Infidel on August 22, 2012 at 5:59 pm

She was also a strong anti-Communist, aiding in helping to identify Communists and remove them from Hollywood.

These days, when that philosophy is making a resurgence, in the form of OWS, and the overtones of the Democratic Party, perhaps Ryan will also learn about that aspect of Ayn Rand’s life.

Little Al on August 22, 2012 at 6:15 pm

It is amazing how little it takes to get Muslims shrieking in horror. Don’t they know that Romney will be “business as usual” if elected?

Have they forgotten Barak O’Bama’s famous pledge? “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided.” Less than three months after taking office, Muslims didn’t have to worry about that anymore.

Dear Muslims: Please don’t panic over anything Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney say on the campaign trail. Campaign promises are not binding contracts. If elected, you’ll find that they’ll be your friend just like Barack O’Bama and Joe Biden.

Sincerely,

There is NO Santa Claus

There is NO Santa Claus on August 22, 2012 at 6:30 pm

Excellent post. As a Libertarian I believe in freedom of religion, which includes the right not to believe. Some of my favorite Ayn Rand quotes:

“Government ‘help’ to business is just as disastrous as government persecution… the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.”

“The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.”

“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.”

Bonzer Wolf on August 22, 2012 at 6:37 pm

This just came across my desk. I have share it with everyone.

Yea, what the angel said

Obama goes to Heaven?

When Obama died, George Washington
met him at the Pearly Gates. He slapped
him across the face and yelled, “How dare
you try to destroy the Nation I helped
conceive?”

Patrick Henry approached, punched him
in the nose and shouted, “You wanted to
end our liberties but you failed.”

James Madison followed, kicked him in
the groin and said, “This is why I allowed
our government to provide for the common
defense!”

Thomas Jefferson was next, beat Obama
with a long cane and snarled, “It was evil
men like you who inspired me to write the
Declaration of Independence.”

The beatings and thrashings continued as
James Monroe and 66 other early Americans
unleashed their anger on the radical,
socialist, leader.

As Obama lay bleeding and in pain, an Angel
appeared. Obama wept and said, “This is not
what you promised me.”

The Angel replied, “I told you there would be
72 VIRGINIANS waiting for you in Heaven.
What did you think I said? You really need to
listen when someone is trying to tell you
something!”

Jonathan E. Grant on August 22, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Brilliant!
Thank you, Debbie.

Michelle on August 22, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Jon, that was priceless 😀

Infidel on August 22, 2012 at 7:08 pm

So not only did Ayn predict what is happening politically to our Nation with Atlas Shrugged, she was also correct on the Arab problem.

ender on August 22, 2012 at 9:17 pm

Another excellent post, Debbie.

Ayn Rand was spot on concerning Israel, the Arabs, and–as Little Al pointed out–on Communism. I also hope that Paul Ryan finds out about Rand’s stances on those issues and agrees with her on them.

JeffE on August 22, 2012 at 10:18 pm

It doesn’t matter how much Ryan goes on about Ayn Rand,he is a conservative,NOT a libertarian.

The most fundamental aspect of libertarianism is personal liberty, aka ownership of your own body. Ryan and other conservatives who are sometimes mislabeled as libertarian, don’t believe in personal liberty.

In a debate with a Democratic congressman, who wanted to legalize marijiuana,Ryan wouldn’t budge.That’s not how Ayn Rand or other libertarians view illegal drugs.

Like most conservatives,he picks and chooses what personal liberty he will accept(things that he approves of).

Scott on August 22, 2012 at 10:41 pm

Don’t get all caught up in excitement over Ryan’s supposed pro-Israel views.

If elected,he in all likelyhood would be a loyal soldier to Romney.And if Romney as expected does things like calling for a halt to settlements,Ryan will either stay silent or join in on the attack.

Scott on August 22, 2012 at 10:51 pm

What are our choices? Just as it sits, for the average person, here they are: 1)Vote for Barack Hussein Obama, and,in my opinion, get four (or more) more years of worse than what we got the first four. 2) Vote for Romney/Ryan, New World Odor choice #2(Or #1, I don’t know, I haven’t been invited to the Bohemian Grove lately)3)Vote for an independent candidate as a protest vote. 4)Don’t vote, and don’t bitch, or bitch, it’s your choice guaranteed by the first amendment, at least for now.
As an addendum, which might be more important than these obvious choices, we could pray to God for our leaders and candidates and our nation(s) (Not leaving out Israel) as God instructs us.
Choice #2 and prayer seem to be the most sensible route to me right now.

RT on August 22, 2012 at 11:04 pm

There are a few things that can never be done, no matter how hard you try…

Go back in time.

Rearrange the order of the alphabet.

Create sentient life with a basic chemistry kit.

Get a roomful of libertarians to agree on anything.

That said, Ayn Rand was spot-on on the backwardness of Arab-Islamic societies vis-a-vis that of Israel.

While I agree with Norman that there should always be a check-and-balance on personal freedoms, there cannot be a restriction without setting the boundaries of any given behaviour. This is where the libertarian philosophy dovetails into traditional conservatism (aka classical liberalism).

The Reverend Jacques on August 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm

Don’t hold you collective breath: http://www.timesofisrael.com/gop-platform-to-back-two-states/

There is a tropical depression named ISAAC forming off Cuba. There are concerns that it may become a hurricane by the weekend and if it does hit Tampa, there goes the Convention.

Italkit on August 23, 2012 at 2:14 am

I don’t know that much about Rand but anything that makes Muslims, Arabs and the moonbat lefists pukes mad I’m all for it.

Ken b on August 23, 2012 at 11:34 am

clearly Ayn Rand had never been to Israel. Arabs have better manners than Israelis.

I would say that Israelis are culturally undeveloped as well, if not more so than the Arabs. The Israelis have an ideal, it’s called The Schmuck. The schmuch is fearless when it comes to driving iat high speeds through crowded areas, or throwing his garbage into the street (or anywhere in public), or ripping others off at every given opportunity. I live in Israel by the way, unlike Debby or the late Ayn Rand.

Chaim Ben Shlomo on August 23, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Excellent Debbie. Thanks for the info.

Naomi R on August 23, 2012 at 3:57 pm

you describe those acts of violence as if they happen for no reason. Israel took this land, which was already populated, and even today continues to shove people off of their land. I think you should be able to understand as to why the Arabs are violent towards Israel. Ultimately, it’s the Israeli Schmuck that is the cause of the violence around here. Arabs are not naturally violent people.

Moving to the Gaza strip or the West Bank? If Israel backs out of these regions, maybe. But I would rather move to a civilized country, somewhere in Europe.

Chaim Ben Shlomo on August 23, 2012 at 5:52 pm

self-hating left-wing Jews are incredibly pathetic and despicable.

Dave on August 23, 2012 at 9:04 pm

I am not a self-hating, left-wing Jew. Would you call an Arab who renounces terrorism towards Jews a self-hating Arab? I am a Jew who renounces all the bad things that have become part of the Jewish, and particularly Israeli character. So I am a Good Jew, through and through. I have cleansed my spirit of Jewish vices, just like the Original Zionists had wanted to overcome their ghetto-Jew ways and become new, healthy kind of Jews. Now we the Jews have reverted to our old ways, and we need a new Jewish Revolutionary movement to cleanse and regenerate our spirits.

Chaim Ben Shlomo on August 24, 2012 at 3:22 am

Do you know what I call you Chaim? A fucking moron who will go like a good sheep to the slaughter, and I say the world is better for it.

Drakken on August 24, 2012 at 6:04 pm

“Islam retards civilization.”
NormanF on August 22, 2012 at 4:27 pm

NormanF brings it all down to the simplest quotient, the least common denominator….for those who missed it, once again:
Islam retards civilization.

Compared to the rest of humanity how much have
islams followers progressed
…zero, nada, zilch…
…like a third world nation walking backwards.

theShadow on August 24, 2012 at 9:38 pm

@Shadow, Ultra-Orthodox Judaism also retards culture. What have the ultra-orthodox achieved? Nada, zilch. zero. The reason that Jews have achieved so much is because they took up EUROPEAN civilization, abandoning their Semitic, totalitarian religion. White, European civilization is the only worthy model for humanity, the rest of humanity is pitiful, including traditional Jewish Religious civilization.

Chaim Ben Shlomo on August 30, 2012 at 3:57 am

I’m 18 years old I’m an Arab and personally it just makes me sick when I read some of the comments on here like 1st of all 9/11 was coupes by a group of terrorist that happen to be muslim not the whole religion -.- like honesty if u think about it look at the everyday news Americans killing each other ..serouisly why can’t we just be people living on this earth ? And respect different cultures it’s almost 2013 ….god gave all of us hearts were people also we feel , cry , smile …#peace from the middle east

Jaber123 on September 7, 2012 at 2:27 am