I wondered why we were helping the wrong side in this conflict, then I remembered that Clinton was President and it all became clear.

Occam's Tool on January 9, 2012 at 2:14 pm

A little history is in order.

During WWII, the occupied Serbs, at great risk to their lives rescued over 500 American airmen shot down by the Nazis and their allies. Many also tried to save Jews.

Meanwhile the Muslims of Kosovo (which at that time was a rather small number), Bosnia, and some of the Albanian Muslims were working with the Nazis, supporting the SS and their war effort. They worked against America, and against Jews.

After the war Yugoslavia was communist, but did not stay in line with Moscow. Often, they were secretly a help to America during the cold war.

Kosovo is an integral part of Serbian culture, and we helped tear the region away from Kosovo.

The Serbs
South Vietnam
Taiwan
The Shah of Iran
Mubarak (sort of)

Which of our friends will be betrayed next by the leftists in America? Israel, are you ready?

Jonathan E. Grant on January 9, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Debbie, I live just south of Tampa. It’s since been discovered that he posted a few videos on YouTube and he tangled with Westboro Baptist church members here as well. He’s a whack job that needs a psych exam, but the only thing I can say that’s GOOD about the guy was that he knew enough to go after Westboro Baptist. Granted, he did it for the wrong reasons, but think about it: one whack job going after a bunch of other whack jobs. Oh man, they could have done each other in! LOL

Anita on January 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Debbie, first of all WWII Serbia was a Nazi puppet state that collaborated with the Axis and had passed anti-Jewish legislation well before the Nazis invaded. From the fascist government to the Serbian Church to the Chetnik partisans to the police and local villagers, Serbians enthusiastically exterminated 94% of the Serbian Jewish population. Once the Germans left the Serbian partisans did attempt to rehabilitate their image and profit by saving Allied soldiers they had previously hunted down on behalf of the Axis, etc. Other than that Debbie I send you my condolences on another Lions disappointment. While Moschiach may not show up at the Superbowl this year, I trust G-d will hand Denver a convincing defeat this weekend and hope that Brady throws for 666 yards.

A1: The Serbs were some of the most viciously anti-Semitic Nazi murderers. That is a fact for which I and their victims will neither forgive nor forget. However, right now, we are fighting the Nazism that is Islam, and I’d side with the kids and grandkids of the Serb Nazis and other Nazis any day against these animals in Kosovo and Bosnia, as the U.S. should have done. As someone once said, a people/nation doesn’t have permanent allies/friends or enemies, just permanent interests. And in this case, our interest was not to side with the Kosovars and Bosnians. We picked the wrong sides in both of these places. Or, rather, Bill Clinton (and, later, George W. Bush) picked the wrong side, for politically correct purposes. And this is the result. DS

A1 on January 9, 2012 at 3:12 pm

A1: Not even a Kosovar or a Bosnian Muslim would have concocted a better misrepresentation of the WWII history in a blatant attempt to dampen a rare support for the Serbian side of the story.

WWII was devastating for all the peoples of the former Yugoslavia, but no nation suffered nearly as many losses as Serbs. (Granted, percentage-wise Roma and Jewish peoples suffered the most.) On the other hand, the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims, as well as the catholic Croats were the ones who overwhelmingly sided with the Nazis. But don’t let me teach you history: just google “Ante Pavelic” or “SS Handzar division” and see for yourselves.

A1 one is right in one aspect: Serbia did have a puppet government back in 1941 which initially signed a treaty with the Axis. However, citizens of Belgrade (Serbian capitol) took to the streets in massive protests chanting “Better war than pact (with Hitler)! Better graves than slaves!” This provoked the Operation Punishment – horrific bombing of Belgrade for 5 straight days – described as one of the earliest terror bombings of World War II.

Overall out of just over a million people killed in former Yugoslavia during WWII, more than half were of Serbian ethnicity. Moreover, about 2/3 of Serbian casualties were inflicted by Croats.

Bo-bo on January 9, 2012 at 5:38 pm

albanians actually saved jews during ww2 why dont you look this up instead of making up a bunch of b.s. the serbs on the other hand killed the jews and tryed to impress the nazi’s. albanian’s are honored at holocaust memorials, you nimwits. as for religion, albanians live in multi religious households (islam, catholic, orthodox, atheists, agnostics, devil worshippers, you name it. albanians tie identity to their nationality, which spans back into antiquity no matter what the slav’s tell you with their bull “historical facts”. serbs on the other hand tie their identity to their religion, and a 10 minute read into religion shows you religion is all made up so in essence serbs identity is nothing. they are slav’s, from russia to the balkans nothing interesting about them, albanians on the other hand are and interseting people full of mystery and a long hard history

kastriot on January 9, 2012 at 6:20 pm

I distinctly remember the news reporting the conflicts in Serbia and Croatia in the early 90s and not understanding it and what it was all about. (Shows how in the USA one could be ignorant and oblivious to important conflicts and politics.)

I see I have much to study on the topic. I will NOT start with the Palestinia Jolie directorial debut, however.

Just wish I knew more. But I knew Islam was involved, yet another clue that the death cult has been causing terrible trouble for a long time. Yet we still wanna roll with the “moderates are good” meme.

Skunky on January 9, 2012 at 6:29 pm

Debbie, shame on you!! I just lost all the respect I could have for you. I think a cow has more intelligence than you! Now on the other hand… United States of America is a country that doesn’t discriminate and allows people of all faiths to practice their religion freely. Now, regardless of someone’s “belief” there are insane people who are murdering all the time because of what they believe in their heads.
I’m 100% sure this guy has zero connection with God..actually zero connection with the universe!
God is Love. Anyone spreading anything other than LOVE is not a true lover nor follower of God! (whoever his God may be)

BTW I am not a muslim.

YOU JUST LOST A READER on January 9, 2012 at 9:03 pm

I grew up in PP and visit a few times a year. There is a community of Serbs here in the Pinellas County and probably the Tampa Bay area (I’m not sure how large but there are several Orthodox churches and European groceries around). I did see a Bosnian Muslim center in PP I think last spring or so and was surprised at that time.

http://www.islamicfinder.org/phone/getitWorld_phone.php?id=98568

Jennifer on January 9, 2012 at 10:04 pm

Many years ago, I was managing a MacDonalds joint. We had a small tv in the lobby. On that particular day, the news being broadcast was about the battle in Krajina where US backed Croation forces routed the Serbs. In one corner of the lobby sat an old man. I noticed tears running down his eyes. I approached him quietly and enquired what is wrong. He told me briefly his story. He was a survivor of Jansenovac and was totally against Clinton siding with the Croats and Bosniaks (btw Bosnian Muslims are actually Serbs who converted to Islam). I will always remember the last words he told me “Tujman is Hitler’s twin”.

Rex on January 9, 2012 at 11:49 pm

Debbie

Jonathan Grant is right – it was the Croats who collaborated w/ the Nazis in WWII, not the Serbs. The Serbs actually fought the Nazis, while the Croats and Bosnaks actually collaborated w/ them. Yeah, Yugoslavia did have a puppet regime in 1941, but Serb opposition to the Nazis remained.

However, 2 things strike me about the situation w/ these people. Remember the shoot-out @ the Salt Lake City mall by a Bosnak (Bosnian Muslim), who was later given a hero’s funeral in Bosnia? Then some Albanians who were involved in the Fort Hood plot, and now this?

I have a question – any of you recall any Serbs trying to commit any terror acts against the US? If Mohammedans talk about grievances, the Serbs have a genuine grievance – the entire Bosnia, including Serbian dominated Srbska, is now part of Bosnia & Hercegovina, while Kosovo, which is about as much of Serbia’s heartland as Judea & Samaria are of Israel, had been torn apart and Serbs there persecuted. Both these crimes were perpetrated on the Serbs by the US, so if anybody had any reason (if not justification) in plotting terror acts against the US, it would be Serbia. Yet, no Serb, afaik, has ever been apprehended trying to do anything of that sort against the US, while the 2 peoples who owe the independence of their countries to the US – Kosovo and Bosnia & Hercegovina, have people who plot against the US. Same w/ Chechnya – the US State Department is critical of the Kremlin for its handling of the Chechen situation, but in the meantime, you have that Chechen plot Debbie mentioned last week.

Speaking of which, if the US supported the Bosnaks and the Albanians on grounds of self determination, why deny that to the Republic of Srpska, which is a Serb majority part of Bosnia contiguous w/ Serbia? Only reason I can think of is that they ain’t Muslim. Serbia, when arguing its case on Kosovo and other terretories, has rightly pointed out that if Kosovo needs to be separated from it, then Srpska, which is Serbian, ought to have the same self determination rights and incorporated within Serbia.

One correction of Rex above – Bosnaks are not Serbs, they are Slavs who converted to Islam. In other words, all Yugoslav Muslims qualify for this name. The people in Kosovo are Albanian Muslims, and the mistake Yugoslavia made was encouraging them to be an autonomous province in order to dilute Serb nationalism. So that when Yugoslavia came apart, the Albanians too started revolting. Since ‘independence’, they’ve been persecuting Christians, all under the supervision of NATO.

Another thing – when Macedonia became independent, it got trouble not from Serbia, who didn’t have any threat of Serbs being persecuted, but rather, Kosovo Albanians. Tells one who the real troublemakers are.

Infidel on January 10, 2012 at 2:36 am

I, too, live in the Tampa area and I always keep these very simple facts in mind: Islam is a THEOCRACY – i.e. Political, Military, & Religious – societal ideology. All non-Muslims are INFIDELS and are objects of scorn to be murdered unless they pay the Jizzah/10% Tax and become Dhimmis. The Jews are considered pigs & monkeys. There is no God but Allah who, without an intermediary, spoke directly to Mohammed and those words were accurately written and/or retold.

There is much more, but time is precious. So, let me say that as far as I am concerned, it is a barbaric movement controlled by religious elites who would murder their own mothers if given a simple reason to do so. Canada has experienced “Honor Killings”. FGM happens all over the world and attempts have been made to practice “ritual prickings” here in he U.S. instead of these people sending the young girls back to their native countries to have it done. For more, read accurate translations of the Qur’an, the Haddiths, and all detailed historical accounts of WW II involving Nazis and Muslims.

Please follow the rule of law, but don’t be stupid thinking there are no threats out there. Be informed.

Dennis on January 10, 2012 at 9:24 am

1. NATO [Western government(s)] went into the Balkans [Kosovo/Serbia/Montenegro in this instance] to provide “humanitarian assistance” and to “prevent atrocities” against “native” Kosovars/Albanians. This “intervention” was justified via United Nations “evidence” of “crimes against humanity” allegedly conspired by Slobidan Milosevic [died in the custody of the ICC awaiting “trial”]. The allegations and “evidence” was PROVEN false via independent investigations [look it up yourselves]. It was found that the Albanian/Kosovar “leaders” actually left their people hanging on purpose; a sort of Shahada operation on a grand scale.
2. Some allege that NATOs “intervention was related to Milosevic’s refusal of a pipeline being run through his region, and as such requested that concessions be paid to his people. The “West” did not want to pay-up. Some also alege that Serbia wanted to enter the then infant European Union on their own terms vice carte blanc “take it or leave it” directives of the non-elected EU “leaders.”
3. Thanks to the Ottoman Empire [Calipha], the root for the English word “slave” is “slav.” Yes, they both mean the same thing.
4. Old Sami’s “Americanism,” or should it be the emulation of “urban” values, in my opinion is the “new” face of Western Jihadists; naturalized/native “citizens,” “disaffected” youth, and of course practitioners of the “peaceful religion” of submission to the will of Allah [their god] {Islam}. Sami calls “Pinellas Park” home. It’s a small town/city which has long passed it’s heyday. It’s full of feedstores, pawn shops, gun shops, trailer parks, and the obligatory strip joints on everyother corner. It’s the first series of streets passed going into Pinellas County from Tampa.
5. CAIR-Tampa is inserting itself into this classy dudes situation. They have become for the “Muslim community” what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do for the “African-American coummunity” in the United States- absolutely nothing. CAIR is the political arm-in my opinion-of the Muslim Brotherhood et al etc in the U.S., similar to what Sinn Fein was to the IRA.
As an aside, Tampa’s female Police Cheif, did NOT investigate the “suicide” of Fatima Abdullah. Fatima’s death was ruled an “accidental suicide” because she “repetedly struck her head on a coffee table in her family’s home.”…with some of her family members looking-on, with finger prints, or nickel sized impressions of an unknown object(s), on her upper arm(s). Instead of her family calling 911, they chose to call her brother allegedly a few hours away in South Florida. Shortly after Fatima’s “suicide,” Police Cheif Castor addressed a NOW function adjacent to USF [remember Sami Al-Arian?], on the further pursuit of “women’s rights” in the U.S. ???
Additionally, one of os’s targets was allegedly a law enforcement hangout near Ibor; not a smart thing to do to put all your eggs in one basket. now, stay tuned for the feared “backlash against the Muslim community.” *sarcasm*

Sick_Boy on January 10, 2012 at 9:25 am

I was actually surprised that you got such a Muslim response on your Kosovo born terrorist article. The facts are not really in dispute. Bosnians and Albanians were recruited into the Waffen S.S. during the Second World War. Haj Amin al-Husseini was instrumental in facilitating their recruitment.

These people were recruited by criminals as criminals for the purposes of ethnic cleansing: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?80733-Skenderbeg-SS

On your site, I even gave a Catholic source, which would have presumably been weak about this since Italy assisted with logistical support. But, it cited Haj Amin al-Hussein and Skenderbeg as being absolutely complicit collaborators of the Axis.

A handful of Albanians saving a handful of Jews is to the credit of those involved, but it in no way reflected the sentiments of those who were involved in the atrocities against Jews and others. The righteousness of a man is only credited to the man who is righteous, and not to those related to him by familial or lesser ties who have done wrong or nothing at all that could be deemed good.

Worry01 on January 10, 2012 at 11:36 am

A little historical irony: Many of the early Italian settlers of Ybor City (Osmakac’s intended target) were Arberesh, or Italo-Albanians. They were descended from the Orthodox Albanians of now southern Albania and northern Greece that fled the Ottoman invasion and compulsory conversion to Islam. In order to preserve their Christian faith, they settled in southern Italy and Sicily, only to immigrate to the United States in large numbers in the late 1880’s and early 1900’s. Osmakac might have succeeded in spilling the innocent blood of Americans of partial Albanian ancestry, who like all Americans face the collective danger of our failed national security and immigration policies. How do you say, “Hakuna Matata” in Albanian?

That being said, please take care not to associate the entire Albanian community in the U.S. with Osmakac (true spelling: Osmankaj) and his ilk. Even the Muslim Albanians in the U.S. are largely secular (Albania inherited Turkey’s largely moderate and secular Islamic tradition that was further blunted by 50 years of atheistic communism) and are more concerned with earning money for their families than observing a faith most consider 500 years behind the times. Once I asked an Albanian Muslim when was the last time he attended mosque. His reply to me was, “Easter?”

Timothy Dow on January 11, 2012 at 12:08 am

as an albanian this guy is sooooooo embarrasing, we over emphasize our secularism. we dont want to be associated with any religion, just practice whatever at home, but we are europeans, and maybe the first europeans. we are patriotic and this dude embarasses us on a whole different level. my fam is muslim, not what you know as muslim but albanian, very different, we have family that are married to non muslim albanians. the worst thing a albanian can do is marry a non albanian regardless of religion. but ive read more into this, and it seems like an american convert to islam kind of radicalized this douchbag. and for the whole ww2 thing, just read into it, youll see albanians put their lives on the line to protect strangers. ss skenderbeg in kosovo was laughable, we got weapons fron the germans so we could fight the commies but we didnt go after jews, like say, serbs.

burim on January 12, 2012 at 4:30 pm

erbs Rescued over 500 American Pilots in World War II

The Halyard Mission is one of the largest evacuations of fallen Allied airmen in occupied Europe during WWII. From August 1944 to February 1945 with the help of the Serbian population around 600 airmen were transported to Allied bases

One of the last untold stories of World War II is also one of the greatest – a story of adventure, daring, danger and heroics, followed by a web of conspiracy, lies, and coverup.
“Halyard Mission” in 1944, the largest rescue ever of downed American airmen. More than 500 U.S. airmen were rescued, along with some from other countries, all right under the noses of the Germans, and mostly in broad daylight. The mission was a complete success

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uCYuMs_Hzk

Branko on January 15, 2012 at 5:34 pm

The Bosnian Muslim Nazi 13th SS “Handzar” or “Handschar” division was a mountain infantry formation, known by the Germans as “Gebirgsjäger”. It was used to conduct operations against Yugoslav Partisans, Jews and Serbs in the Balkan Mountains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNzTL4zu5Xg

Branko on January 15, 2012 at 5:36 pm

On April 17,1944, pursuant to instructions by Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler, an Albanian Waffen SS Division, the 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS “Skanderbeg” or “Skenderbeg” (Albanische Nr.1), was formed, which occupied and ethnically cleansed Kosovo-Metohija of Orthodox Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and other non-Albanians. Himmler envisioned the formation of two Albanian SS Divisions, but the war ended before the second could be formed. Approximately 300 Albanian troops in the Bosnian Muslim 13th Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS “Handzar” or “Handschar” were transferred to the newly forming SS division. The Skanderbeg Division was made up of 6,491 ethnic Albanian Muslims, two-thirds of whom were from Kosovo-Metohija, “Kosovars”. To this Albanian Muslims core were added German troops,Reichdeutsche from Austria and Volkdeutsche officers,NCOs and enlisted men transferred from the 7th SS Mountain Division “Prinz Eugen” or “Princ Eugen”, then stationed in Bosnia-Hercegovina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAxrg7nMcs4

Branko on January 15, 2012 at 5:38 pm

Islamic Religion? But he looks like my old jewish friend. I mean not mine, but he thinks he is mine. True, strange people.

Paul on June 5, 2012 at 9:54 am