I hate to use the expression, but this is an example of self-loathing Jews who desire social acceptance from leftists at any cost. Unfortunately, as Debbie has noted, the broader Jewish community had no say in the appointment of Alan Dershowitz, Michael Bloomberg, and so many others who consciously or unconsciously put their own social and economic comfort ahead of the lives of their own people. The tragedy that the Jews may face from these developments will be our’s as well.

Worry01 on September 13, 2011 at 3:54 pm

Deb, we have been sold out in so many ways. The Jewish left that demanded racial quotas that kept qualified Jews (and White Christians) out of medical schools while nonqualified blacks entered the medical schools. Ditto for the Ivy League schools, top rate law schools, jobs in the federal government, etc.

The Jewish Left has constantly attacked Israel because Israel had guts and the Israelis did not, at one time, cater to their enemies. The Jewish Left were basically ashamed of being Jewish and felt that tossing a fellow Jew under the bus would buy them acceptance in the anti-Semitic, leftists world.

I live in the People’s Republic of Montgomery County, Maryland, where left wing Jews posing as rabbis and Jewish leaders condemn Israel while embracing Abbas, Obama, and his gang of anti-Israel bigots. I have lost count the number of times I have heard settlers criticized, and terrorists treated as misunderstood children.

Christian religious leaders have similarly sold their congregations a bill of goods for another Muslim state that wants to destroy not merely Judaism, but Christianity. How many pieces of silver crossed their palms? Or were the invitations to the White House enough of a bribe for them?

And Israel, and eventually American Jews and Christians, will pay the price.

Jonathan Grant on September 13, 2011 at 4:00 pm

I have fantasy about a new Jewish state outside of the middle east. Despite the many centuries of Jewish connection to Israel, it is very difficult to see its survival with arab and western countries so opposed it. (And, yes, I know it is not about the land itself, but with the strange and overwhelming sickness of Jew-hatred.)

Nir Leiu on September 13, 2011 at 4:59 pm

Then there’s the fact, unremarked upon by the intelligentsia, that Palestine will be Judenrein. But when Rabbi Kahane suggested that the same be applied to Israel proper, there was so much breast-beating and geshrying among embarrassed Jews, he was exiled and then assassinated.

How Jews have managed to survive in a world that has by and large hated us for millennia is a mystery, given how many of us confuse suicide with enlightenment.

Louie Louie on September 13, 2011 at 6:34 pm

56% of ordinary Canadians already understand that there is no possibility of compromise or long-term coexistence between Muslims and non-Muslims.

So why don’t the liberal ‘intellectuals’ realise that if we don’t destroy Islam as an ideology, it will exterminate them and the rest of us culturally and physically (especially the Jewish liberal intellectuals who will be the first to lose their muddled heads).

Islam is an utterly ruthless totalitarian political system disguised as a religion. Islam will literally stop at nothing to achieve its objective of world domination, with all non-Muslims exterminated or enslaved. Muslims who deny this are lying (Muslims are encouraged to tell lies to further the expansion of Islam). Terrorism is an intrinsic and inseparable part of Islam.

Consequently, the ideology of Islam MUST be defeated. It must be consigned to the dustbin of history along with those other vicious totalitarianisms – Nazism and Communism. The alternative is our extermination as a civilisation, and the whole world being plunged into an endless theocratic Dark Age… http://crombouke.blogspot.com

Crombouke on September 13, 2011 at 6:40 pm

Of course I agree that Debbie’s attack on Jewish Liberals is deserved and well executed. However, I think the origin of the Fakestinian problem is in Israel itself. The US didn’t force Dayan to hand the keys of the Temple Mount to the Waqf, after all. The problem in Israel is that the corruption of the political system is so extreme that, liberal or not, the Jews play by liberal rules. This is reinforced by the crackpot religious types who insist that Israel become a religious state. What can the compromise be in this scenario? Naturally, the same crackpots in the so-called settlements wouldn’t consider, say, a State of Judah along side a State of Israel, the former for the Jews, the latter for the Halachally Jewish Israelis.

skzion on September 13, 2011 at 6:51 pm

Does Dooshowitz or any of these pompous lefty loons actually RESIDE in Israel? Then, how armchair quarterbacks propose solutions from afar? That makes them absentee landlords who would pimp the Israelis out.

Why not send them to live amongst the “religion of peace” in Israel? I’ll guarantee you if they heard talk of a two-state solution- they’d be beaten up or worse.

Patrick on September 13, 2011 at 9:16 pm

Two things I will NEVER understand.

a) Why the Jews go against their own in Israel (and here too).

b) Why ANYONE would side with the Palestinians. They are clearly the bad guys. I knew it and saw that when I hardly knew ANYTHING on the conflict. I remember thinking “I can clearly see that the Jewish people are being demonized” (and worse!). I have always sided with the Jews.

I also used to hear “both sides have behaved badly” over and over. And in 2011 I am STILL waiting to be convinced that Israel has EVER done a thing wrong in the conflict. I still haven’t seen it.

And I am NOT Jewish.

Skunky on September 13, 2011 at 9:18 pm

Deb:

Could you also please elaborate on the contribution Jewish Republicans and conservatives had to the “two-state solution”? I know you’ve written about this before.

Let’s also consider that some of AIPAC’s national leaders (some from the Detroit area) are partisan Republicans. In the years that led up to and followed “the magic handshake”, these conservatives also supported the “two-state solution”.

On another subject, I do not believe the Palestinian Arabs are seeking a state at the UN. Sure! That’s what they SAY, but I believe it’s a lie. I believe they are seeking international protection in order to murder Jews with impunity. Palestinian Arabs don’t need the UN to have a state. They already have all the resources they could ever want for that purpose.

… just sayin’

Regards,

TINSC (aka There is NO Santa Claus)

There is NO Santa Claus on September 13, 2011 at 10:20 pm

Great job, Debbie. You’re in rare form in this article.

DS_ROCKS! on September 13, 2011 at 10:39 pm

I second what DS_ROCKS! said.

Also excellent comments from everyone here so far.

TINSC at 10:20 pm,

On your third paragraph, I think that you are on to something. My take is that the so-called “Palestinian” Arabs (or as skzion correctly calls them, Fakestinians) are seeking to have both international legitimacy and international protection to both steal the Israeli lands of Judea, Smaria, and Gaza and to murder Jews with impunity.

JeffE on September 13, 2011 at 11:50 pm

The two-state solution was always a pipe dream. Look how much the peace treaty with Egypt is worth now. People expect the Palestinians to become Westerners and accept the Jews and Israel! No such political animal in the Middle East. And the Arab World remains unreconciled to Israel’s existence as we saw last week in the barbaric assault on the Israeli Embassy in Cairo – they would have lynched the Jews given the chance and they nearly did another Lara Logan on a Western female journalist. When will people learn? Peace is impossible!

NormanF on September 14, 2011 at 1:20 am

This is EXACTLY what I have been thinking the last few weeks, but I can hardly find anybody else in the English language Diaspora Jewish press (there have been a very few who have said what Debbie has here) prepared to admit that even paying ‘lip service’ to the two state solution aka the final solution part 2 by so-called pro-Israel Jews has led to where we are now, along with the Oslo accords that empowered the ‘Palestinian’ jihad.

The fact that these Jews continued to blabber on automatic about the two state solution even AFTER the disastrous withdrawal from Gaza, means they are worse than insincere and lacking seriousness. It is simply baleful, sinister and suicidal to go on spouting on about the two state mantra AFTER every withdrawal (Gaza, south Lebanon, Sinai now being remilitarized by jihadists) by Israel has seen jihadists fill the gap. Well since jihad is intrinsic to Islam, what else to expect?

Remember if Israel didn’t have the buffers of Sinai and Judea and Samaria/West Bank in ’73, that war in October would probably have been lost, Israel would have been no more. Well now we don’t have the Sinai and even so-called pro-Israel liberal Jews have called for us to surrender our western buffer (ie the West Bank) that cuts Israel near in two (most people don’t even know this) in return for uh… jihad. Because that’s all the Palestinians have to give, jihad.

Doubtless Jewish liberals will just rewrite history, pretending that they never really gave support to the two state solution to Islam (which is what this absurdity gets down to), they were only talking, it was just a thought experiment blabla. They weren’t being serious, they didn’t really mean it to actually apply in the real world or some such. Or rather they will just throw it all down the memory hole. Remember the Israeli Left are as much to blame and have less excuse for their will to national suicide as liberal moron Diaspora Jewry, since we are not in Chicago or Toronto, we are in Israel!

There is such a terrible tension here in Israel, there is just a waiting for God knows what.. And with Egypt and Turkey (armed to the teeth with US weaponry, you see how the Jooos control Congress) now firmly under the control of jihadists, there is Iran, Syria, the ‘Palestinians’; it really is all falling apart. I fear the very worst, the very very worst. I could care less for liberal Jews in Israel and elsewhere, including the US, but the rest of us will pay the price.

If the worst comes to the worst, and yes I mean nothing less than the end for Israel (don’t think it can’t happen, it can) the Jewish and international Western Left will just rewrite history and pretend they were never anti-Israel and supportive of the Palestinians ie jihad, inadvertently or not. And they will rewrite history, it is rewritten all the time. How many people know how the Allies aided and abetted the Holocaust, through not letting Jews into their countries (see the Evian conference), the British shut the doors to Jewish emigration to ‘Palestine’. I’m not even talking about the refusal to bomb the tracks to the death camps. History is written by the victors and Jews have let the Allied nations whitewash their histories re the WW2 era. And liberal Jewry and liberals will rewrite history to appease their guilt, their crimes.

A pox on the house of all liberal Jewry whose propaganda has helped pave the way to where we are now. I also agree with Debbie that I don’t expect any different from Muslims and the other usual suspects (like Eurotrash), I don’t hold it against them that they are being true to their culture, their conditioning, they really can’t help themselves. It’s Jewry who have no excuse, unless a propensity to suicide can be called an excuse.

Le plus ce change.

Larry in Tel Aviv on September 14, 2011 at 3:08 am

AHEM (contains profane, paranoid bloviating – another bad day at the office in Paradise)

Why does this surprise me? Not.

These fake-Jewish himmir (Arabic for “donkeys”) are making this agnostic look real bad.

Which makes things even worse since atheists and agnostics (like me) will be the amongst very first to go under Muhammad’s© blade.

Which brings to mind Crombouke’s recent quote…

Islam is an utterly ruthless totalitarian political system disguised as a religion. Islam will literally stop at nothing to achieve its objective of world domination, with all non-Muslims exterminated or enslaved.

It is also, in pure essence, a racist form of “crowd control”. It’s never about God or salvation, but subservience an slavery to whichever warlord can claim to be a Messiah. Whoever kills that Messiah, becomes one.

It’s strange – but I, an agnostic, find it very interesting that these hippy-statist “Jews” (using “liberal” defiles true, anti-statist “liberals” – the bedrock of modern conservatism) taking a “Fuck God – I’m saving my own ass” attitude towards what I can guarantee is an apocalyptic clusterfuck waiting to happen.

Just saying what I feel. That is all.

The Reverend Jacques on September 14, 2011 at 3:13 am

Debbie

Funnily enough, the people who don’t want ‘Palestine’ to be a Hamas state are the same people who also want ‘democracy’ in ‘Palestine’. They have yet to even figure out, much less explain, why ‘Palestine’ will not be a democracy if the people elect Hamas.

But more than Liberal Jews, I blame the Europeans, who were @ the forefront of supporting and welcoming the Muslims: just as the Arab world looks to Egypt for inspiration, and Communists worldwide looked to the Soviets for inspiration, American Liberals look to Europe for inspiration. Had Europe not bent over backwards to accept Muslims by the millions and sell Israel down the Nile, American Jews wouldn’t be pimping themselves b4 Ikhwan front organizations either.

Infidel Pride on September 14, 2011 at 6:46 am

Like the song says ” All we are saying is give peace a chance” but you should read this first it’s from the hadith.

even the stones and trees will cry out oh muslim servant of allah, there is a Jew hidding behind me: come and Kill him,but
the Gharkad tree would not call for it is the tree of the Jews

joey on September 14, 2011 at 7:34 am

Debbie –

Have you heard of organizations like JCC Watch(jccwatch.org) or the Jewish American Affairs Committee of Indiana (jaaci.org)? I noticed both of these organizations in an article on Z Street (www.zstreet.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=376:is-the-jewish-state-dividing-american-jewry&catid=5:must-read&Itemid=30).

I do not know much about them but they have been formed specifically to address the dhimitude among those claiming to represent the Jewish community (i.e. the Jewish Federations).

I_AM_ME on September 14, 2011 at 8:57 am

Leaving the Liberal Jew thing aside, a two state solution is a hell of a lot less scary than the one state solution that many Jew-hating lefties and Islamist float. I realize that the status quo is preferable to many as is the fact that this two state solution is being declared rather than negotiated, but the status quo wasn’t going to remain forever.

I am also very scared for Israel with regards to what is happening in Egypt and Turkey (with their insane muslim schmuck of a a leader).

It is unbelievable that things are actually getting worse than they were before. But all I see is doom and gloom in Israel’s future. It is too back the land can’t be carved out and towed to a more sane corner of the world, like next to Canada for instance 🙁

Karen on September 14, 2011 at 9:28 am

Does any advocate of the “Two State solution” know how to count? There already ARE two states, Israel and Jordan.

Does any advocate of a SECOND Palestinian state give a hoot about the now-so-called “Palestinians,” who are historically, culturally and linguistically ARABS? Most of them don’t. Most of them just care about the “Palestinians” as cat’s paws to finish off Israel for them. If they really wanted to help the now-so-called “Palestinians,” they would say the Arab states in general and Jordan in particular should cut the bull**** and take them in. The “Palestinians” will be living in Hamas-land, till they start pouring out of it as though it were a building on fire. All those liberal suckers for propaganda think there’s a “Palestinian” refugee problem now? Wait till they, G-d forbid, get their state.

The U.N. offered the now-so-called “Palestinians” a SECOND autonomous homeland in 1947, with the partition plan. Back then, everybody called the now-so-called “Palestinians” what they were, ARABS. It was the Jews who were referred to as “Palestinians.” The U.N. wanted to partition Palestine, as it was then called, into Jewish and Arab states. Palestine was what was left of what the Balfour Declaration said was supposed to be a Jewish homeland, after the British hacked off 4/5ths to create Transhordan-what Jordan was then called. It was the Arab states who rejected the U.N. partition plan and attacked Israel, forcing Israel to expel some Arabs. Other Arabs left voluntarily, thinking that Israel would be defeated in a week and they could come back and loot Jewish property. The Arab states have been keeping these people in refugee camps or treating them as second class citizens or shooting them for 63 years, so that they can say to a world that loves to mask its anti-Semitism as moral indignation, “You have to kick the Jews out of Palestine and make a home for these people.”

If the U.N. votes for a “Palestinian” state, it will be, as Melanie Phillips said, a declaration of war againt Israel. All those people who accuse Israel of genocide or apartheid or ethnic cleansing, it’s the most obvious case of projection since the Roman catapult. They want to ostracize and slaughter Jews. They want the Jewish state wiped off the map. A lot of them are just as anxious to see the Jews destroyed as Hitler, may his name be erased, was; they just want somebody else to do the messy work. Others, the more technically “civilized,” don’t mind Jews who are sweetly and properly grateful for being tolerated and don’t squawk too loudly when they aren’t tolerated, Jews they can pat themselves on the back for tolerating. They don’t want Jews standing proud and independent, in their own country, on their own two feet. They dream of a world where there is no Israel. Rose colored glasses do not come in bifocals because no one reads the fine print in dreams. The fine print in the dream of, G-d forbid, no Israel is a Hamas-or-Moslem Brotherhood dominated Middle East, which will soon be a Hamas or Moslem Brotherhood dominated Africa and Europe. What will all the people who support the right of return for the “Palestinians” to Israel, where they never had a state, and which they weren’t expelled en masse from, say and do when the Arabs demand the right to return to Spain, where they had a state for hundreds of years and really were expelled en masse from? We already know what the U.N. will do, the corrupt cowardly thing. The Basques think they had it bad under Franco? Wait till they’re living in Hamas land.

Miranda Rose Smith on September 14, 2011 at 11:31 am

What does “No junk in the trunk” mean?

Miranda Rose Smith on September 14, 2011 at 11:43 am

OK, Debbie, AIPAC is too liberal. Do you endorse the ZOA instead?

Solomon2 on September 14, 2011 at 11:47 am

Miranda, “junk in the trunk” means having a sizeable derriere.

CJ on September 14, 2011 at 1:24 pm

Debbie,
Just read that when Israel was formed in ’48, a palistinian state was also formed, but the arabs didn’t want it and attacked the new state of Israel instead. Sounds like the idiot arabs.

Dennis P. Skea on September 14, 2011 at 4:18 pm

Rare form Debbie. You make a point like the tip of a spear! So, what do conservative Jews do? What can Pro-Israel Christains do?

Paul on September 14, 2011 at 6:13 pm

I don’t know if anyone will actually read my comment to ole Larry (skzion on September 14, 2011 at 7:30 pm), but it might be useful to do so.

I rarely disagree with Debbie, and here I do so only in part. I think that anyone who blames citizens of America for the lion’s share of the Israeli mess is being manipulated.

That’s why I simply won’t join the chorus of those who look at the US, or Europe, or the UN, for an explanation of Israel’s mess.

skzion on September 14, 2011 at 7:38 pm

Miranda, “junk in the trunk” means having a sizeable derriere.

CJ on September 14, 2011 at 1:24 pm

Reply

What does that have to do with Debbie’s article?

Miranda Rose Smith on September 15, 2011 at 2:40 am

as usual, you are spot on….these mostly rich, living in the lap of luxury islamopanderers have sold us down the river with the rest of the country…Obama-bots they are…and how ’bout that Streisand?..what a piece of doodoo…and all the name changed jews so nobody would know they are jews…they know nothing of history…they’ll party till the palestinians state comes home….then they will be oven meat

rudebutcool on September 15, 2011 at 7:58 am

Miranda Rose Smith:

The “Palestine is Jordan” thing has 3 problems.

1. Big issue: the Israeli Arab population doesn’t want to go to Jordan. Getting them to leave would require military force.
2. Bigger issue: the Jordanians don’t want the Israeli Arab population. Getting them to accept the refugees would require military force against a sovereign nation that is internationally considered to be an ally of Israel and the west.
3. Biggest issue: send the Israeli Arab population to Jordan, and Jordan becomes run by Hamas in 2 years, tops. Hamas being in control of Gaza, which Israel maintains as much military, economic and political control over as it chooses to: bad. Hamas being in control of Jordan, where it would be completely free to import as many weapons and allow in as many foreign militants as it chooses, and use them to build an actual army: much much worse.

Now Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. are more than willing to blow smoke about “crushing the Zionist enterprise” to suit their own internal political purposes, but when it comes down to it, it isn’t their fight, and they aren’t going to be willing to sacrifice too much for it. (They’re also waiting on a Palestinian state for obvious reasons.) But put millions of Palestinian refugees in Jordan, which is like 70% ethnically Palestinian already, and it WILL be their fight.

The “send the Arabs to Jordan” crowd really hasn’t thought things through. It is actually the worst option … worse than a two state solution (because most proposals for a Palestinian state involve that state being demilitarized and economically and politically marginalized because of Israel’s security interests, while a Hamas-run Jordan would have no such restrictions), worse than letting them stay in Israel and clamping down on them (including taking control of Palestinian schools and mosques), worse than bribing some country (that does not share a border with Israel!) to take them and shipping them there.

Gerald on September 15, 2011 at 2:02 pm

The “send the Arabs to Jordan” crowd really hasn’t thought things through.

I never said “Send the Arabs to Jordan.”

Miranda Rose Smith on September 16, 2011 at 2:03 am

Mr. Schechter, of Beth David of Miami, taught us in Sunday School that when the Red Sea came together and drowned all the Egyptians, the Jews celebrated. God said to them, “Why are you celebrating? They are my people too!” What is my interpretation of this? It doesn’t matter that some Arabs might want to drive Israel into the sea, they too deserve a state. The other existed for 63 years. It’s time! There are always three sides to each story. Yours, mine and the truth.

SK: They already have 22 states, moron. I think you have a good case against Beth David of Miami for malpractice. Clearly, they didn’t teach you much. DS

Stuart Krantz on September 18, 2011 at 12:26 am

Unfortunate, but VERY true….

Esser Agaroth on September 18, 2011 at 6:06 pm