Obama, SECNAV, Adm Bruner (Commander, Submarine Group Ten) are playing politics. The US Military is currently run by PC candy asses who have no respect for the time honored traditions and proven operational manning philosophies that have made the USA the greatest nation on Earth.

Degrading our troop morale by capricious charges of murder brought against fellow warriors, granting “rights” to terrorists and cartel members,promoting open homosexuality in the ranks, leaking secrets to the enemy, openly supporting terrorist organizations and defaming our traditional allies, and now restructuring the Silent Service in a way that will prove very expensive… These are all actions of an enemy.

Who would have thought that the greatest danger to our own military superiority would be the President of the United States and SECNAV and company?

It is not about whether women are brave or competent or WISH to serve on a sub. It is about logistics and human nature. This is nothing more than political gamesmanship. What if men who are brave and competent want to join your sorority or play on the women’s volleyball team? There are sound reasons for division of the sexes in many cases. I think that if you don’t understand that WANTING to do something does not make it right that you need counseling. If you don’t understand it and you are in a position to force others to forsake good order, discipline, and tradition, you should be fired. Every commander from the Commander In Chief down who supports this PC boondongle should be fired.

Steve Tew on April 27, 2010 at 11:36 pm

Thanks for writing that, Debbie. We submariners appreciate you doing that. You are ABSOLUTELY correct!

Karl Newman on April 28, 2010 at 10:10 pm

I find this article completely offensive. I am a female veteran and spent 24 years dealing with this exact kind of ignorant and insulting attitude. You may have had the intent of showing your disgust for the current administration yet when you make statements like “periods and pregnancies don’t belong on submarines” you run the risk of offending more people than The Left. I am WAY more conservative than anything else. So please educate me about where, for example, “periods” actually BELONG? At home? Maybe at work (a civilian job, of course) if no one finds out? Do you think periods even belong in the military at all? Perhaps women should just be banned from the military completely…think of the taxpayer money that would be saved transporting ALL those pregnant women. In fact, maybe women should be banned from all executive positions, political appointments, and any other position that would clearly suffer unimaginably from women getting their periods. Everything except your position, of course.

From one woman to another, thanks for absolutely nothing. And by the way, I’m one of the people who signed a blank check over to my country for an amount up to and including my LIFE so that YOU could have a free country to live in, work in, and yes, get your PERIOD in.

C. Worsdell on April 29, 2010 at 9:04 pm

Are you kidding me?! That video makes the NAVY actually look fun for once, probably the greatest recruitment video ever produced!!

Joel in Buffalo on April 30, 2010 at 12:58 pm

You wingnuts are so stupid. Don’t you realize the village people are gay?
DUH!

Christianflkr on May 1, 2010 at 8:58 pm

Just as no one was willing to speak out against Maj Hassan so Ft. Hood massacre was allowed to happen. Barack Hussein Obama II mmm, mmm, mmm!

FeFe on May 5, 2010 at 6:23 am

From lower ranks the navy scuttlebutt is that there are plenty of skanks working the ships as ho’s (lines actually forming in the corridors!) and if the threat of actual deployment or unpleasant duty of any kind rears its ugly head,.,, get pregnant, go home and ‘abort’ mission.

I have heard this repeatedly. Any truth to it?

poetcomic1 on June 18, 2010 at 12:58 pm

Being a future sailor Im quite curious as to how this is going to work as for the previously bashed statements I feel it was just improperly worded and some of you need to not get all but hurt over what Debbie says even though in a sense she is right whether you served in the navy or not and you know it after all not all women have the same control and tolerance for things that you do. I feel women may be a fun asset on the subs however I understand the concerns and risks and perhaps you should open your eyes to it as well think of all the stress it would cause a crew thinking they have to surface and drop some extra baggage as well as finding a replacement? in the navy I feel it will only cause problems if women are not careful also I think that the topic is being taken to lightly, it’s not a slam towards women saying that they are incapable of working a sub, but it’s most definitely a slam towards co-ed subs where hormones are more likely to affect the success of time out at sea. At that point more than just time out is compromised like any future the lady has in the navy as well as the partner who conceived the child and that is a blow to the economy as well and will be difficult to make up for.

Seth rayne on June 19, 2010 at 5:32 am

Being a sailor, if you are going to have women on board, you have to ensure these things happen:

1) They don’t get pregnant, or get in relationships onboard.
2) They don’t use their gender to an advantage.
3) They cannot be sensitive about anything, nor expect privacy.
4) They need to handle emotions extremely well.
5) They cannot have their bubble. Even on a carrier, there is no bubble.
6) They have to do their job just like anyone else, and maintain the same standards.
7. They cannot request, demand, or ask for special treatment. They have to earn it like everyone else.

If you can successfully ensure this happens all the time, everywhere, that’s good. But you can’t. However, I’ve worked with a few women in the Navy who are great, but some have much to be desired. And the younger, the more naive, and I have to say, the sluttier.

About prostitution onboard ships- it’s very true. Some women have made two years’ pay in a six month deployment.
And, on the ship I was on, its deployment, 118 women got pregnant during cruise, several after, and some 50-odd before. The screwed up part about it is that they go to shore commands, and screw over the sailors about to transfer to shore, by restricting billets. Personally, instead of “sensitivity training” and “accommodating women’s needs”, we should be far stricter, have desensitivity training, and send pregnant women to mast- along with the men they slept with, before they depart the ship- only to deliver the baby (or miscarry), and after two weeks, ship them off to the next deployable (or recently deployed) ship. If she does it again, summary court-martial her.
Women in the Navy need to understand that they CHOSE to join, knowing that they would have to perform arduous duty and go into dangerous areas for months at a time. Pregnancy should be no excuse to get out of duty, and should be counted as dereliction.
If a woman wants to get pregnant, there’s the start of long yard periods and long in-port periods (which they should inform their chain of command as early as possible), and shore installations. If they’re stuck at sea six months on-six months off, tough shit for them. Duty comes first- regardless of gender.

Tassi on June 21, 2010 at 9:54 pm

I am a former submarine sailor. I was in from 1976-1981. I was on a fleet ballistic missile (FBM) submarine. The navy used to go to great lengths to ensure the reliability of crew members on FBM’s. If you are out on a several month patrol and have to surface to offload a health issue, it takes a while to conceal your location sufficient to avoid a pre-emptive nuclear strike after that. This is what is known as “failure to meet strategic objectives.” Females need medical help more often than males. It is not their fault. It is just that mother nature has not been kind to us. Making crews less reliable is not going to help us meet out strategic objectives.

Oldporridge on July 9, 2010 at 4:32 pm

You Americans are so fucking RETARDED! First of all your military is a joke run by high school dropouts. Secondly, how the bloody hell do you expect to have a strap military with a bunch of horny rednecks who cant keep their peckers in their pants and a horde of sluts who cant keep their legs shut. Every time I see American soldiers being killed or some idiot cry over 9/11 (favorite holiday btw) I cannot not contain my laughter. It will only be a delight when you stupid yanks are completely taken over by some midget with a bunch of bombs. I hope you realize how stupid your country is and get the fuck out before its too late. Good day.

P.S. For some quite funny video of american soldiers getting shot in the head I suggest theync.com. They have all your anti american needs *and more*.

Christopher on September 17, 2010 at 1:41 pm

I agree with what you are saying up until the point where you said social experiments always fail in the military….and that simply isn’t true. Integration and desegregation began in the military first and it worked would very well, many black soliders, pilots and sailors have torn down many steryotypes about blacks. But otherwise I agree.

Lance on January 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm

Using the military for social experimentation does not always fail. Successful examples range from the famous 54th Massachusetts of the Civil War (negro troops commanded by white officers, immortalized in the film “Glory”) to Truman’s integration order after WWII to the abandonment of the draft in the 70s (which compelled better treatment of soldiers and sailors.)

That said, I share Debbie’s concerns about women in subs. Suppose some female showers unwonted attention upon a male – he can’t run away, can he? What’s a man supposed to do, hit her or submit? He or she can’t even be transferred. Subs are too small, too intimate, and that means trouble. Big surface ships are much safer for all concerned.

On another site, I’ve posted this example of a female corpsman doing fine work in Afghanistan: http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/22232-pictures-women-armed-forces-31.html#post1412154

Solomon2 on January 25, 2011 at 10:05 am

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????? ??? on May 1, 2013 at 6:31 am

This is total garbage. Whoever you are you reek of ignorance. Gay guys have been in the Navy way before you were born. They are nothing like this fucking stupid village people video. And now it’s official-we are allowed legally. What do you even care about women on subs? Jealous you’re not among them? Fucking dumb.

Walter on January 12, 2015 at 1:26 am