Its just a random act of nature, one that has happened before.

Nak on April 19, 2010 at 2:30 pm

“I’ve been in super-top secret meetings all morning.”

Uh oh, am I going back on double secret probation yet again?

Thanks for the post. Yep, most will claim it just coincidence, but I, too, think it’s possible the volcano ash ins’t a coincidence since God acts in mysterious ways, indeed.

God does indeed have a sense of humor with Hitler’s birthday and Israel’s birthday being the same!

Jeff_W on April 19, 2010 at 2:41 pm

Rumor has it they want to throw Al Gore in the volcano to appease the gods!

flinnie on April 19, 2010 at 2:48 pm

Actually, Israel’s birthday IS today but if you’re thinking why tomorrow – the reason is to respect the Sabbath – the same reason July 4th is moved forward a day in the United States if it falls on a Sunday. That’s why Israelis will celebrate the birthday the next day so that Memorial Day would not begin on Saturday night to avoid Sabbath Day-related problems. But the coincidence with Hitler’s birthday is worth noting all the same.

NF: No, it’s celebrated on April 20th. April 19th is Yom HaZikaron (Memorial Day for Israeli soldiers). DS

NormanF on April 19, 2010 at 2:49 pm

NOTHING is a coincidence, Nak.

You have a nak…for getting it all wrong—

The Canadien on April 19, 2010 at 2:53 pm

Your statement that most of the Muslim world “loves” and “loves to honor” Hitler is pure nonsense. It just shows how stupid your readers are that they would believe such a ridiculous claim.

Z: Actually it just proves how ignorant you are. Ridiculous? Not really:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/burqashitler.jpg
DS

zigo on April 19, 2010 at 3:07 pm

if you do not think God had a hand in any of the natural disasters that have occurred since Jan.1,2010 ie earthquakes/volcano and tnusamis..then google the occurance of natural disasters and search by date…the earthquakes alone have been mega force quakes not any small quakes alone, the volcano…well, when was the last time air traffic over most of the world has been stopped by a NATURAL disaster….Al Gore does need to go into the volcano, he is so far off……………..PS did Al Gore, or his wife or any of his staff go to Haiti for more than 10min. to help with disaster relief (?)…the 10min. reference is to the Hillary Clinton visit….she never left the tar mack i don’t think? I think Deb is correct…..just watch and see………..jmc

pink bunny on April 19, 2010 at 3:15 pm

Mein Kampf IS popular in the Muslim world, zigo, the poorly informed and eager to display it.
What did you think was going on in the world today – a checker tournament?
(Sheesh, I thought event he smallest child would know such a simple fact).

So many ignorant out there…..

Cat K on April 19, 2010 at 3:20 pm

First of all, saying that Mein Kampf sells wel in the Arab world is completely different from saying most Muslims love and honor Hitler. Secondly, none of you have shown any evidence or citations that Muslims love Hitler or even that Mein Kampf is a big seller in Arab countries. So your words don’t mean crap unless you can back it up with facts.

zigo on April 19, 2010 at 3:47 pm

So every natural disaster is the work of god if it appears to benefit someone?
So who did Katrina benefit? The tsunami a couple of years back, mount Vesuvius and Pompeii. You think it was gods work because you look for it. Your distorting the facts to suit a theory instead of a theory to suit the facts.

Nak on April 19, 2010 at 4:23 pm

I remember the Alaska incident Ari sent Debbie very well. I was on my way from Detroit to South Korea on Northwest, and shortly after take off the pilots decided they burned so much fuel we needed to refuel in Anchorage.

On the way to Anchorage they told us about the Volcano and diverted us to Fairbanks. Fairbanks was not going to work out either so we few around until they decided the air around Anchorage was clear so we landed there to refuel. On the ground they told us about what happened to the KLM flight.

I_AM_ME on April 19, 2010 at 4:24 pm

In point of fact, both Mein Kampf and “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” are perennial best sellers in the Arab world, and even in “secular” Muslim countries like Turkey. They also are easy to find in Arab/Muslim bookstores in Europe.

There’s always a danger in trying to see a natural or even unnatural disaster as Divine punishment for some transgression or other. Religious leaders from probably every faith have succumbed to the temptation at one time or another. One presumes that if the Almighty wanted to send us a “message”, He could do it without the ambiguity.

Raymond in DC on April 19, 2010 at 6:09 pm

Apparently the archives at the US embassy in Cairo have been opened (the Americans during WWII monitored, for three years, the Nazi shortwave radio broadcasts — the nazi broadcasts were from Berlin and spoken in Arabic, directed to the Arabs of Egypt and the larger Middle East). This has now been detailed in the text, “Nazi propaganda for the Arab World” by Jeffrey Herf. Thus, as Herf argues, the Nazi influence on modern-day Islamism is unmistakable and very clear/evident. There’s also an article (a book review) in Commentary, April 2010.

J.S. on April 19, 2010 at 6:09 pm

[quote] Did the muslims work with the nazis during WWll? [/quote]

That statement just shows you how ignorant and stupid you really are. The Muslims? Who are “the muslims”? The mere fact that you lump everybody in an entire religion together just shows you are a brain dead maniac. There were hundreds of millions of Muslims back then, and while some of them supported Hitler, that doesn’t say anything about Islam or Muslims today. Lots of Christians, including the Pope, worked with Nazis in World War II, that doesn’t mean that Christians today agree with him or that Christianity is fundamentally anti-Semitic. Furthermore, World War II was a WORLD WAR between the Axis and Allied Powers, which means that every country had to take sides based on who they thought they would win. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they supported Hitler or even liked him; they were just trying to save their country from being destroyed; that’s why even Stalin signed a pact with Hitler; he wanted to keep Hitler from attacking him, which didn’t even work.

Oh, and I also like how Sclussel tries to prove me wrong by pointing out ONE PICTURE showing TWO MUSLIM WOMEN with a Hitler sign. Deb, I am not one of your sheeple followers who think that something that 2 people do represents a religion of 1.3 billion people. There are thousands of neo-Nazis in America; I don’t think that all Americans or Christians are neo-Nazis. You have to be really really dumb to believe this crap.

Also, none of your produced any citations that “most Muslims love Hitler,” thus proving you are all full of crap.

zigo on April 19, 2010 at 6:12 pm

Oh, and J.S., the Nazis broadcast propaganda to every country in the world, including the U.S. and England; Nazi Germany even had paid fascist agents in America. The fact that the Nazis broadcast propaganda into Muslim countries in no ways proves that Muslims believed that crap.

zigo on April 19, 2010 at 6:15 pm

It is tedious having to answer anti-Semities, who by their very nature are forced to deny and distort history. Along with their totalitarian friends (and of course there is a significant overlap) they make up things as they go, and deny the authenticity of the existing documentation.

Zigo is, of course hopeless, but for others, there are several recent books, among them Jeffrey Herf’s Propaganda for the Arab World and David G. Dalin’s Icon of Evil. Dalin’s should be in a number of public libraries, and Herf’s if not accessible in the local public library can easily be obtained by interlibrary loan. Both are also obtainable on Amazon for less than $20 and exhaustively document the things that Debbie is talking about.

LA: Both of these books are in my collection and are excellent. DS

Little Al on April 19, 2010 at 6:59 pm

Sorry, I had overlooked that a prior post had already referred to the Herf book. Incidentally he had published a previous book explaining and massively documenting how, among other things, the Communist East Germans also soft-pedalled the Nazis.

Little Al on April 19, 2010 at 7:13 pm

Hey Little Al, cite me the page number in EITHER OF THOSE BOOKS that says that TODAY, most Muslims LOVE AND ADMIRE HITLER. I was taking exception with a very specific thing Debbie said, and nobody here has been able to prove that point. I know all about the Mufti (who was appointed by the British, by the way), Nazi propaganda, etc… But show me evidence that most Muslims today love and honor Hitler. You can’t so you FAIL.

zigo on April 19, 2010 at 7:16 pm

Zigo apparently doesn’t get that Mein Kampf and Nazi propaganda are popular in the Arab World. This is evidence of how much they love and admire Nazi doctrine towards the Jews today.

But then an Islamist apologist will seek to controvert the burden of proof. Nice try but no cigar for Zigo!

NormanF on April 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm

Hey NormanF, I’m not just going to accept what you say. In the real world you can’t just say things; you have to back them up with facts!! At least Debbie tried to back up her assertion with a picture of two Muslim women with a Hitler sign. That was more of an effort than you or most of the fanatical idiots on this board made. if Hitler was so popular in the Arab world, you could PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE. But apparently you can’t. So you = wrong.

zigo on April 19, 2010 at 7:41 pm

I am uncomfortable in general with the methodology of cherry-picking passages from a book, because, particularly in a complex book, that methodology can oversimplify complex arguments the author is making.

Having said that, however, and acknowledging that this paragraph oversimplifies Dr. Herf’s arguments, Chapter 8, beginning on p. 233 is entitled “Postwar Aftereffects.” This chapter contains massive documentation based on both English and German, as well as some Arabic primary sources. Herf discusses how the pro-Hitler Muslim extremism affected the Egyptian government, a destabilization that exists to this day. (e.g. p. 241) In following pages, e.g. p. 242 he traces the continuity of this influence to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is generally accepted to have massive influence in Egypt today, as well as internationally. In following pages, Herf discusses how the Nazi tradition helped fuel Arab fanaticism against Israel, which, of course, also exists to this day. On p. 249, for instance, Herf explains how the Egyptian embassy, in 1948 sent the United States Government an article from Al Ikhwan Al Muslimin about ” the Jew and Communism” with typical anti-Semitic slanders. I am not going to go through the entire chapter, but these are examples.

The Muslim collaboration with Hitler was also, arguably a factor in preventing the Western European governments from providing more support to Israel than they did, fearing a massive Muslim uprising, fueled in part by Nazi traditions. This of course, helped establish a tone that exists through today.

Usually when a book is a best-seller it means that people like it. President Obama’s book is a best seller in the US today; Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck have best sellers, and without doubt, most of the people buying their books admire them. This is the way things are.

Little Al on April 19, 2010 at 7:52 pm

In addition to this, Britain’s advertising watchdog issued a recent decision that ThinkIsrael could not run an ad in Britain that encouraged travel to Israel and showed a picture of the Western Wall. The reason? The ad was misleading because it implied that the Western Wall was part of Israel.

That decision was reported by the BBC on April 14. The volcano began erupting after this hit the press.

Not a coincidence.

JohnH on April 19, 2010 at 8:41 pm

“they were just trying to save their country from being destroyed; that’s why even Stalin signed a pact with Hitler”

Zigo, are you really that thick?! “even Stalin”?!…you make him out to be some kind of saint. The man was just as cruel and murderous as that weasel Hitler. He even left his own son to die in a concentration camp after being captured by the Germans. In his own words: “there are no prisoners of war, only traitors”. Stalin was just as hellbent on taking over the world as Hitler with one major difference; Stalin actually succeeded.

theShadow on April 19, 2010 at 9:32 pm

Zigo, if you consider the major “tropes” of radical Islamism, you may find an amazing correspondence with the Nazi propaganda of WWII. The text I cited earlier provides the data, arguments, and evidence. It’s there for you to discover or perhaps consider (if you so choose). (the name of the text is “Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World” by Jeffrey Herf.)

J.S. on April 19, 2010 at 9:42 pm

Hey, I read the Herf book, and it is about propaganda efforts in the immediate postwar period by Nazis and their fellow travelers. What it doesn’t prove, and what none of you can prove, is that TODAY, MOST MUSLIMS LOVE AND ADMIRE HITLER. If Nazism influenced the Muslim Brotherhood in the 50’s or there were influential Nazis in Muslim governments, that still doesn’t prove that DS made that TODAY, MOST MUSLIMS LOVE AND ADMIRE HITLER. That’s a big claim that none of you can claim because it is FALSE. Even if you can prove that most Pakistanis and Egyptians love Hitler (which you can’t), you still have to prove that hundreds of millions of Muslims in other parts of the world love him.

And theShadow, you are stupid too. My point about Stalin wasn’t to defend him, my point was to say that even Hitler’s arch-enemies (and no matter how much you hate Stalin, you have to admit that he was Hitler’s enemy) made deals with Hitler to save themselves. So the fact that a Muslim government may have made deals with Hitler in the 40s doesn’t say anything about what modern day Muslims believe.

You guys have to pull your hate-filled heads out of the sands and look at the objective facts rather than just believing any stupid nonsense that DS spouts. I bet if DS told you that most Muslims believed in unicorns you would believe her.

Z: I’ve written plenty on the Nazi-Muslim connection–the two Muslim SS divisions, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his buddy Hitler, and the ODESSA (SS alumni group) working with Egypt to develop nukes and poisonous chemical weapons against Israel after the war. Egypt and Syria was where many of them lived, converted to Islam, and died. Aribert Heim and Alois Brunner are just two of the many.

Bye,
DS

zigo on April 19, 2010 at 10:40 pm

Some commentators mentioned that the fact that “Mein Kampf” sells well in the Arab world proves nothing.

I beg your pardon, but it certainly does prove something.

You ever try to read “Mein Kampf”? It’s BOOOOOOORING. I mean really, really boring. Even dedicated Nazis had trouble staying awake trying to read that crap. Mussolini called the book a “brick.” So, if people are buying it, they’re not buying it for entertainment.

Frankly, they’re not buying it to learn history, as you can learn history better in other places and other ways. Nope, they’re buying it because it’s a sort of German Koran.

Ari on April 19, 2010 at 10:43 pm

Ari’s point is Arabs buy Mein Kampf because its author hated the Jews as much as they do. They certainly don’t buy it because they like Germany – its a book that validates their own anti-Semitism and feeds into their genocidal fantasies of what they would like to do to the Jews.

NormanF on April 19, 2010 at 11:13 pm

zigo, I am yet to meet a mozlum in India or America who is NOT a fan of adolf hitler. The sole reason for many of them to admire this animal is that he eliminated millions of them.

If you find that so hard to comprehend, go back to the dung hole from where you came out.

Anonymous Twit on April 19, 2010 at 11:54 pm

Excellent post, Debbie.

JeffE on April 20, 2010 at 12:00 am

No matter how much your liberal anti-semetic mind denys it, the truth is out there for those with eyes to see. Face it Zigo, try as hard as you can, it’s not possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

theShadow on April 20, 2010 at 12:05 am

I’m glad Debbie banned him… I’m all for a civilized debate but there’s no use convincing a troll. Sometimes you do have to kick posters off a site whose only intent is to create a flame war. And trolls really contribute nothing intelligent to a discussion.

NormanF on April 20, 2010 at 2:13 am

HAPPY 62ND BIRTHDAY ISRAEL!!

(So there!)

Jon on April 20, 2010 at 3:12 am

Here, Here!

Happy 62nd Birthday, Israel. May there be many more!

JeffE on April 20, 2010 at 8:53 am

Debbie:

IF Hitler had succeeded in his plan to exterminate Jews from the earth (and thank G-d he didn’t), what do you think the chances are he would’ve sold out the Arabs (like he did the Russians during WWII) and put them into the death camps next? After all, Arabs are related to Jews and are co-descendants of Abraham…

Richard on April 20, 2010 at 10:37 am

Very interesting thought, Debbie. Sometimes God protects us in ways we will never know or understand (or appreciate).

C on April 20, 2010 at 11:32 am