Debbie, your post here is more interesting to me concerning what you believe about this issue. I agree with you, but based on other posts you have done in the past reflecting tolerance of gays in society in general, I would not have predicted this as your position.

BTW–I could care less what anyone on The View has to say. DS is one lady whose opinion, and postings I want to know about, though!! And we don’t always agree, do we? (maybe 95% of the time we do?)

BB on February 9, 2010 at 5:38 pm

You bring up many good points Debbie. What people do behind closed doors is nobody’s business but their’s. But, there are great soldiers or clerks in the military that happen to be homosexual. Some people tend to suspect. So I believe that people shouldn’t be thrown out of the military because they’re gay. They should be thrown out of the military if they make innapropriate advances with other men. So the last thing we need is sex between soldiers (gay and/or straight), and flamboyant men in the military. Those both could negatively affect the U.S. military.

Matthew on February 9, 2010 at 5:39 pm

Matthew, there should be one rule for inappropriate fraternization or advances on duty. They should be applied across the board. Somehow, I don’t think that’s what supporters of open gays serving in the military really mean. If they did, they would have no problems with gays serving like every one else. Why do straights need to know about their sexual orientation is a mystery no one has ever cleared up for us.

NormanF on February 9, 2010 at 5:47 pm

Ending DADT will result in gay orgies in the barracks. After all is the military going to get into the biz of stoping ppl from “loving”. It’ll be chaos.

Brian on February 9, 2010 at 6:07 pm

Well, like maybe she’s like drumming up publicity for her new book, and like she figures if she doesn’t take a liberal position, like people won’t like buy it.

Little Al on February 9, 2010 at 6:23 pm

And the word ‘like’ inherently creates muddled thought; no declarative statements, no steadfast or absolute or clear, coherent thoughts; if everything is ‘like’, then everything is ‘similar to’ or ‘close to’ but there is always wiggle room, or room for error; nothing has to be a real commitment. It is hard to see how that won’t spill over into generalized thought patterns.

Little Al on February 9, 2010 at 6:27 pm

Obama’s goal is to destroy the US military’s morale and standing as he is destroying the rest of the country.

Winston on February 9, 2010 at 6:29 pm

If Hasselbeck had half a brain they would allow her to be on “The Spew.” Why anyone watches that show is way beyond me.

DG in GA on February 9, 2010 at 6:48 pm

I fought off many faggots while serving in the navy. The military can really do without these pests.

Sic Semper Tyrannus on February 9, 2010 at 6:51 pm

I’ve always figured that (at least) male gays would strive for a low profile in the military, on accounta they’d probably invoke a family-sized can of whup-ass if they flaunted their unfortunate appetites.

Graty Slapchop on February 9, 2010 at 7:09 pm

Would it be possible to stage a UFC cage match between Elizabeth Hasselback and Elizabeth (soccer psycho) Lambert?

The Terrorist's Advocate on February 9, 2010 at 7:44 pm

No problem in Israel. No problem in the UK. You mention that the US is “different.” What, are we bigger idiots that we can’t handle gays in the military?

Gays in the military likely aren’t going to prance around, but ending DADT will mean that tattling 3rd parties or private phone calls overheard won’t end a career.

Wow…once again conservatives would rather lose Arabic translators, good soldiers, etc. and sacrifice American lives so the boneheaded conservatives (many of whom never served, nor ever would) than actually help the country.

once DADT ends, we’ll see what a non-issue it really was the whole time.

Brad on February 9, 2010 at 8:20 pm

Israel allows gays to serve openly? So are we allowed to diss Israel for that?

Nak on February 9, 2010 at 8:40 pm

I’m wondering what stat leads “The View” to the idea that the military wants this?
Shouldn’t they at least reference this information for the rest of us who don’t have an inside track of what is going on? They just made this up and expect us to all nod our head and agree. forget the politics here and just think about what kind of shoddy information is being distributed here. it isn’t just an oops moment. They just spoke for all of the armed service men. the best analysis on sexuality to this day still remains in Freud’s pen because he never had the presumption to control the experiment like Gloria Steinem’s friends do. he merely wrote down the experience and that is why Freud is still useful today. it is why Freud is still talked about… even when he is wrong. These people on this TV show think their “VIEW” is their opinion. Your “VIEW” starts with what you see, not how you interpret what you saw. My personal take is that, “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” is a disaster. I differ with Sarah Palin who pardon my French doesn’t have any balls to say the reality that sexuality in the military doesn’t mix. does anyone remember Abu Gharaib? the social left condemns Abu Gharaib, but was not that a homosexual act in the military? Nothing like that ever surfaced before and photography is one hundred years old. this is mass sexual hysteria. It isn’t like Gay people are financially burdened as an segment group either. It is the straight men that really need the military for financial reasons… not that affirmative action should lead decisions, but still considering the amount of meat and potatoes guys out of work, this is unfair. just because there are gay men in the military already doing well for themselves doesn’t mean they are not hurting people around them. Funny the way everyone is so keen on diversity and tolerance, but you can’t respect difference until you understand what different is. I love gay people. I respect them as well. I want to see them do well, but I don’t want to be naked in the same shower with them. women don’t want men looking at them naked, but most ladies in the Blue States are trying to force gay men into the military. It is so wrong. The military is a team effort. being able to shoot a gun well is not as important as contribution to the team. No skill is as important as the team. the team gets demoralized by sexuality. In the end… it comes down to the majority of the military to decide. they are the ones to sacrifice their lives and they should be honest with what they want and what they are thinking about. Perhaps it is better to allow the military to do what was working before they became sexually confused. we used to win wars with the good old boys.

Noah David Simon on February 9, 2010 at 9:32 pm

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is really a zero. She is only on that program to provide a token viewpoint, which she evidently does not really even hold on most issues.

Worry01 on February 9, 2010 at 9:44 pm

anyone notice that whoopi needed cue cards to help her with her points. Sarah Palin writes 7 words on her hand and she is un-informed. Whoopi does it and she is considered well informed.

chuck601 on February 9, 2010 at 10:04 pm

Obama through an executive order could end don’t ask don’t tell. But he won’t. He will not do an executive order because he does want to get re-elected. I could see him making this order and military personnel would leave in droves. Making our military weaker and the Republican candidate would promise to bring it back by executive order and would be guaranteed a victory. Obama is doing this kabuki dance through legislation. He is hoping enough senators would fight off a filibuster or muster enough votes. To me he is going to say I tried and leave the HOMOSEXUALS all mad at those who blocked it. If health care didn’t pass, I don’t think repeal of dont ask dont tell would pass.

Let’s hope J.D. Hayworth defeats McCain in the primary so Meghan McCain will go away. She is living off her dad’s name and just trashing his public policy. Can some one cut off her allowance? Hasselbeck is an airhead to the extreme. Again on another episode of ‘The Land of the Lost’….err ‘The View’, these Hags continue the further decay of human civilization.

I think I like Pastor James Manning’s take on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Banned from YouTube for this video.

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=448

Ya think an Ivy League degree is all that? This airhead Meghan McCain graduated from Columbia University just like KING HUSSEIN OBAMA.

CaliforniaScreaming on February 9, 2010 at 10:22 pm

I almost puked watching that garbage. How anyone can watch that junk is beyond me.

I’m glad they had McCain on there, though. Reminds me why I now loathe the Republican almost as much as the Democrats.

Jeff W. on February 10, 2010 at 12:17 am

Calling them “gay” makes me puke! There is nothing “gay”
about a homosexual!
There is nothing happy about a suicidial lifestyle!

That whore mclame will not last either, she is more
interested in her own breasts than most men!

If this freak of a president does get this thru
it will not last!
Can you imagine our brave military trying to defend
homos whom are being dragged off by the islamist butt
boys?
Come on!

Okay, Okay I am going to say it>>> May you homos serve
in war in a Islamist country.

Sorry I agree with Islam on this!
They are an abomination>>>

And no thats the only thing I agree with them on!
Good post Debbie.

LillyWest on February 10, 2010 at 12:38 am

Meghan McCain is a REAL valley girl airhead. I am getting tired of seeing her overmade-up mug on TV. The left loves her because she is a RINO in liberal clothing, just like her dad. As for talking points this video clip shows dumb ass Whoopi Goldberg (stealing a Jewish name-real cute) looking at her monitor for help- ala her messiah Obumer. This show is a joke. Joy Behar is an embarassment to real Italian women everywhere!

Niner on February 10, 2010 at 1:05 am

JM,
I guarantee you I am smarter and better educated than you.

The military has under the requisite number of Arabic translators it needs. And it dismissed quite a few over the past several years for being gay. That means even fewer intercepted documents are translated in time and interrogations go slower. That harms Americans.

But conservatives put their wacko preachers first, and the well being of the USA at a distant second. Nothing new there.

Brad on February 10, 2010 at 1:31 am

There are plenty of Jews that know arabic. But we can’t have any of those so we must emasculate our military and make it PC.

Al Qaeda must be quaking in their boots at the thought of facing our troops in stylish designer uniforms in matching colors.

ari-free on February 10, 2010 at 1:39 am

Some day, we’ll look back with amazement that we tolerated any form of a communication gap in the military:

http://bit.ly/9YNli3

(satire)

bondwooley on February 10, 2010 at 8:51 am

Brad I guarantee I am smarter and better educated than you.

A large amount of the best of our military will not re-enlist or ever sign up in the military knowing it will be a HOMOSEXUAL friendly zone. This will mean we will not get the best solders. Knowing this fact it, you guys still want to see a weakened military. That harms Americans.

But HOMOSEXUALS and HOMOSEXUALS huggers put their deviancy first and the well being of the USA second. Nothing new here.

CaliforniaScreaming on February 10, 2010 at 9:09 am

Being ex-military during the original “winnable” Desert Storm….I can say with certain conviction I won’t ever be joining the military again if this puke-laden drivel passes.
As for the rest? Who cares what most of you think, you are not man enough to join and serve anyway as it is.

Since this will pass anyway (thank you Communism!) at least we can look forward to normal folk still running the day-to-day of the Military arms, and seeing “first ever” all gay combat units being landed first into hot zones…..

After all, America is collapsing under the weight of her stupid citizenry, moral degeneracy, and everything else, so please remember that when the old collapse of New Rome happens, it was most likely all thanks to YOU.

(I will make sure to send the Chinese soldiers they land to YOUR house first though…)

CaptainSlappy on February 10, 2010 at 9:15 am

Run for your lives!!

The gays are coming!!

The Terrorist's Advocate on February 10, 2010 at 9:46 am

Debbie, I agree with you that the chief purpose of the military is not to ensure that its members enjoy civilian-style freedoms. Obviously, the purpose of the military is to kill people and break things. Still, the military is part of government, and if it is possible to increase certain freedoms without harming the chief purpose, that would certainly be desirable. Note that the chief purpose is also not to make heterosexual military men feel comfortable at all times.

The question, then, is an empirical one: would it harm effectiveness? What are the data, one way or another? If the data are ambiguous, we need a pilot project. Fogies and freaks (e.g., CaliforniaScreaming) are not authorities on TODAY’S military.

The comparison between women and gay men in the military is not quite apt. Women integrated into the military pose a much greater systemic risk. The anti side would be more persuasive if it addressed this risk by backing away from today’s integration of women. The anti side would also be more persuasive if it expelled a known risk from the military: Muslims. If the anti side would support equality for gay CIVILIANS, one would be more likely to think that anti side’s main objection to gays in the military related to effectiveness.

Debbie, I disagree with you regarding the “what people do behind closed doors” argument about civilian gays. This approach makes gays into dhimmis. It’s just too bad if the freedom of X makes Y uncomfortable. It is not government’s job to create a subclass of person, nor is it government’s job to be a preacher (which is lucky, as politicians are not known for their moral stature). Real preachers and families should be doing such things, or so I would argue.

The sad fact is that the anti side is so filled with hatred toward gay people that it cannot be trusted. Alas, the pro side is so fanatical about gay rights that it cannot be trusted either.

skzion on February 10, 2010 at 10:22 am

Oh, and to Terrorist’s Advocate & CaptainSlappy: the Spartans were unusual in Ancient Greece because their military was known for homosexuality, and this occurred among ADULTS. The theory was that if a man loved his comrade, he was more likely to fight to the death for him.

skzion on February 10, 2010 at 10:27 am

Skzion kind of figured you would prance yourself into this discussion. Fogies and freaks. LMAO!! Pastor Manning is 100% right about HOMOSEXUALS.
Hey I dug up this picture of HOMOSEXUAL Perez Hilton who gets his beat down because he ran his mouth and didn’t have the cajones to back it up. You HOMOSEXUALS run that mouth and then run like bitches when a real man comes after you. Then you call it Gay Bashing. Not gay bashing just an old fashioned ass kicking.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/02/0209_perez_exd_glitter.jpg

CaliforniaScreaming on February 10, 2010 at 10:34 am

As I said, CaliforniaScreaming, I believe in the Second Amendment.

Now that CaptainSlappy has just advocated kicking Jews out of the country (I’m not surprised), I figure it’s only a matter of time before you mess up as well.

BTW, Perez Hilton is a nasty, talentless queen. Alas, Hollywood has plenty of them. Do not mistake them for all gay men. For example, consider your own father.

skzion on February 10, 2010 at 11:49 am

How about an ALL-HOMOSEXUAL BRIGADE??? Unleash these boys on the muslims. IF they succeed, imagine the humiliation of the muslims—being defeated by Sissy Men!

What everyone here is ABSOLUTELY ignoring is that HUSSEIN, Hildebeaste, and the rest of the Leftists/Progressives LOATHE the military. Trying to bring open gays into the military is a TWO-FER….advance the TWISTED DEATHSTYLE of this abomination, and HURT the military.

If Israel allows openly gay soldiers (as claimed—but it might have conditions) is simply because the IDF needs EVERY soldier that it can get. Service is MANDATORY, with few exceptions. Soldiers remain in the reserves for many years. NO student deferrments—you go right into the military after high school.

DO NOT IGNORE the fact that those who want to push open gays into the military have an ANTI-MILITARY agenda. They HATE the military, and always will.

Hymie Zoltsveis on February 10, 2010 at 12:12 pm

“NO student deferrments—you go right into the military after high school.”

Hymie, as you probably know, the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) in Israel mostly do not serve at all, spending their time “studying.” Many of the Israeli elite get “jobnik” positions (e.g., Olmert), and others find ways not to serve at all. In addition, the IDF biggies certainly behave as if they they do NOT need everyone. For example, much training is done on methods for kicking Jews out of their homes.

I don’t see why Israel or any other country is relevant here. The US military is the finest in the world, and that counts the most. I’d like to see evidence (without UPPERCASE hysteria) against the proposed change, or some reason why a pilot test in certain units would not be appropriate, if evidence against the change is lacking.

skzion on February 10, 2010 at 12:30 pm

On second thought, I’m getting bored with this discussion, as it just is not a top priority for me. So, I’ll be skipping this blog item. I’d say in parting that the level of discussion here is quite low. I could hang around to see if any of my points are actually taken up, but I expect they will not be.

So I’ll spend my time more productively. For example, I am reading a book by Bat Ye’or called _Islam and Dhimmitude_, and find it very worthwhile.

skzion on February 10, 2010 at 12:35 pm

I have one word: Hassel-Bleeeeech!

mk750 on February 10, 2010 at 1:50 pm

I oppose “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” not because I support gays in the military, but because those words are an abomination to integrity. Its essence is that it encourages lying by omission, not a value we teach in the Army.

I wouldn’t be opposed to allowing gays in the military if the movement came from patriotic, brave homosexuals who wanted to serve their country. Instead, it is the Marxist gays who are pushing this.

jcm on February 10, 2010 at 1:56 pm

California Screaming,
Start naming some Ivies, otherwise I beat you.

and for all those “patriotic” Americans who wouldn’t serve in the military if gays were out (and they are already there, mind you), the military would probably benefit from a reduction in the number of slack-jawed yokels complaining of “them gays there.”

we’d be better off with a military with openly-gay educated men and women and without the trailer park conservatives wondering if a gay man is ogling his toothless smile.

Most Americans support this. and almost a majority of enlisted soldiers support it (and soon it will be a majority).

You are a bunch of dinosaurs.

Brad on February 10, 2010 at 2:20 pm

and jcm,

it’s not just “Marxist gays” pushing this. Pushing this have been the dozens of gay men and women in the armed forces who worked damn hard for their country (unlike most of the posters here), and were outed not because they were “prancing around on base,” but rather someone reporting on overhearing a private phone call, a vindicative acquaintance, someone seeing a service member at a gay bar when off-duty, etc. They are the ones who want to continue serving; the “Marxist gays” never will so don’t worry.

Except for the yokel contingency here (which is a minority of the military), I give the American soldier enough credit to assume he’s not going to care that he’s serving with openly gay men.

Brad on February 10, 2010 at 2:24 pm

There’s nothing more original to add. It’s a cut-and-dry issue as most Americans see it: gays should be allowed to openly serve in the military.

but talking to some here is like talking to a wall.

Brad on February 10, 2010 at 2:59 pm

Another stupid social experiment guaranteed to be costly in personnel and useless. A big problem with gays in the military is that most of our battle fronts are in Islamic countries. Islam considers homosexuality a sin, punishable by death. Imagine the danger a gay man or women faces if caught by the enemy.

But that’s okay, right? As long and multiculturalism and diversity is observed. The torture or death our soldiers face daily is bad enough. I’m sure the Muslim hordes would have a little more fun with a gay.

For some reason our media has to blab secret tactical information to the enemy and tell them our next moves. So, no doubt, many will be outed just because that’s how our Leftist media finds another way to interfere with the US winning wars. Somehow, that brand of treason goes unpunished or unnoticed.

As to the open homosexuality of ancient Greek and Roman armies, yes, that worked real well. Those empires collapsed into their own sin and corruption.

John on February 10, 2010 at 4:47 pm

Also, a big chunk of Americans are sick and tired of everything in society being bent and engineered in deference to gay victim groups. I am one of them. So, yes it is a cut and dry issue. Gays should not be in the military.

Just what we need, pink fighter jets and high-heeled combat boots.

John on February 10, 2010 at 4:52 pm

Edit: As long AS multiculturalism and diversity is observed. 😉

John on February 10, 2010 at 4:53 pm

John, you are part of a “big chunk of Americans” that is getting smaller and smaller with each passing year and each passing generation.

Brad on February 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm

I know I promised not to write on this topic, but “John” just offered the biggest howler of the day. To wit:

“Another stupid social experiment guaranteed to be costly in personnel and useless. A big problem with gays in the military is that most of our battle fronts are in Islamic countries. Islam considers homosexuality a sin, punishable by death. Imagine the danger a gay man or women faces if caught by the enemy.”

Suddenly, John is terribly worried about the safety of gay men! Of course, he follows this passage with evidence that he doesn’t care at all about this. Anyway, the argument is pretty silly: Muslims will torture, kill, and mutilate our men regardless of whether they think the men are gay (how would they know? I hope gay military men will not be fighting in drag).

skzion on February 10, 2010 at 5:42 pm

Just don’t accuse me of “hate speech.” 🙂

John on February 10, 2010 at 8:47 pm

Thankfully I had a productive day away from the computer. I see the deviants were setting this thread on fire. Oh well if I mistook an anus for a vagina then maybe I can see their way. But silly me, I am normal and understand that a penis was made for a vagina. Back to Anatomy 101. You know when a penis is inserted into a vagina it produces a beautiful baby. When a penis inserts into an anus it produces a wet turd. Well hell if that is what I was looking forward to in life then I would be angry at the world as well. One thing I have respect for the Muslims they won’t tolerate HOMOSEXUALS. They understand tolerating HOMOSEXUALS show weakness in a society and culture. I can see why they want to invade us they know we are weakening to the point of no return. Hell if we cant say no to a dude wearing lipstick and high heels how in the hell can we say no to some terrorists with an AK-47?

Brad said we are getting smaller and smaller with each passing year and also weaker and weaker. Our generation is getting softer and more effeminate with each passing generation.

CaliforniaScreaming on February 11, 2010 at 12:32 am

I don’t support execution of HOMOSEXUALS. They have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. However the last 30 years have seen HOMOSEXUAL legislating their lifestyle on the rest of society. Anyone who disagrees is labeled a bigot. I believe it is a deviancy. I don’t agree people aren’t born that way. When they say they are born this way then they get extra civil rights. More than other people. It is no longer behavior and thus don’t have to be accountable for their action. Can’t wait until someone clones a HOMOSEXUAL and lets see if he turns HOMOSEXUAL as well. Cloning will end this discussion one way or another.

CaliforniaScreaming on February 11, 2010 at 1:38 am

The problem here is gay victim groups are trying to bend polite society to get extra rights and privileges just because of whom someone wants to sleep with. Two percent of the US population should not make the rest of us bend to accept something we all know is wrong.

Take religion out of it, and biologically, and from an evolutionary standpoint, “homosex” doesn’t work. All the sexual deviance this country is supposed to accept, will weaken us. And it has.

While HAMAS, Hezbollah, the Taliban, and Al-Queda are training to kill and win wars, our military is wasting time, money, energy, and tactical knowledge in trying include all who have special needs.

The number of American who are on board with homosexuality is shrinking. We saw the fights, and the aggressive actions of gays and their alliance groups and how they behaved, during the Proposition 8 “controversy.” That turned off more Americans to it.

People are accused of being bigots, racist, or hateful. But lately that just means they bought a different brand of computer or like wearing white T-shirts. These accusations have lost their bite and are not effective anymore. There is no such thing as “homophobia.” That is not a recognized medical term. Like “Islamophobia,” it is invalid.

If I am labeled as such, go ahead as these terms are meaningless and empty.

John on February 11, 2010 at 8:53 am

This isn’t about “allowing free and open homosexuality in the military.” Sexual activity is still prohibited, whether opposite- or same-sex. This is about not having to lie about your personal life back home–your partner, your spouse, etc. Heterosexual soldiers justifiably open up about their loved ones in an effort to relieve loneliness and relate to their fellow unit members.

http://www.scottspiegel.com/2010/02/10/dont-ax-dont-dwell/
(“Don’t Ax, Don’t Dwell)

Scott Spiegel on February 16, 2010 at 12:56 pm

“But, unlike Islam, we Jews do not impose our religious requirements on anyone else. We don’t insist that the rest of the world comply. We keep our religion, and celebrate that you keep yours and live your life.”
That is a quote from an earlier post of DS. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with her stance on this issue just stick with your opinions

J on June 28, 2010 at 7:50 pm

I work closely with two homosexual men over me, at my job. Their minds are turned inside out by their actions in private. They zero in on every young, I said young, man who comes there to work…see it all the time. They give instructions that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what should be done. They make displays without symmetry or order, and they look junky and confused. The store is run by a homosexual woman, who makes decisions that are just plain bad for good business. They haven’t been there long, and I hope for the store’s business, they will leave in the near future. It’s crazy how I must keep undoing the wrong things my BOSSES do, when corporate is on the way. That’s the only time they want me to do that, although I sneak and do it quite often. I was also married 3 x’s, to men on the “down low”…children were molested and attempts were made on our lives, because we were “in the way” of their “happiness”.
So, don’t give me any crap. I’ve seen perverted minds that result from those disease-ridden perverted acts…which we all pay for in AIDS research, Hep B “cures” and meds, hospice and etc. The tax payer has a RIGHT to resist this intrusion on his paycheck!!! you do what you want, but take care of the consequences YOURSELF…and have your own BATTERED homosexual shelters…haven’t seen that yet, have you? yet their domestic abuse rates are sky-high…guess who foots that bill, too? Make your own little society with them, and “enjoy” them all you want…make a little country of your own…you’ll be hitting that border not too far into the future!

Kyna on July 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm